Republicans: Healthcare worse for Americans than 9-11

[amrchaos]

It's funny how liberals bitch about FOX News being biased, but eagerly gobble up the pandering garbage Huffington Post puts out.

That is because Huffington Post is always fair and balanced---Fox leans so far to the right that they can call Ron Paul a liberal!!

 

[ThePickledPunk]

Denied treatment that would have cured her cancer. The insurance companies killed her. If you can't see that, I can't help you.

So if an insurance CEO shoots you, his lawyer will say his client didn't kill you, the bullet did.

Bankruptsy laws were changed during the Bush era so that it would be much harder for us but much easier for corporations to go bankrupt.

Your solution to these problems are no solution at all. Your position on issues like this are why you aren't winning elections.

Denied treatment that might have cured what was killing her. Big difference. And if an insurance CEO shoots me- he killed me. And BK is not hard. At all. You might have to do a 13 as opposed to a 7, but so what? As for solutions- what solutions have I offered?

Ok, so treatment only cures 7 in 10. So the insurance companies practices kills 7 in 10.
Can you back either statement up?

Bankruptsy is a lot less attractive today than it was before the GOP passed laws making it harder for people but easier for corporations.
The biggest change came in the type of BK most qualify for.

Saying it is not hard doesn't make you right. How do you know?
Because I practiced law for several years.

Explain to me the process?
Depends on the type of bk. In a seven, a trustee examines your debts and discharges the ones that qualify. In a thirteen, you negotiate a payment plan to repay some of the debt. This is, of course, simplified.

Explain you understand what changes were made to the laws in the last 8 years. Do you even know?

The point is, healthcare should not be bankrupting as many Americans as it does now. Its not healthy/good for America. We must solve this. You might not want it solved, but enough of us do. Hell, even people with insurance are being bankrupted with healthcare costs, or being denied because of pre existing conditions.

The problems you describe are greatly exxagerated. there are over 200 million people with insurance, and most are happy with it.

Basically we needed to solve these problems when Hillary tried to fix healthcare and NOW we need to undo a lot of the things the GOP did in the last 8 years that made things even worse.
Cry me a river.

I know you won't agree, just like you probably approved of what the GOP did the last 8 years when I was complaining. And CLEARLY I was right. The Bush/Delay run government was horrible for the masses but great for the mega rich. You probably fit somewhere in the middle so you don't care as much as people like me. I do feel like the GOP's policies will negatively affect me. Maybe you don't, and that's great. So then vote for the rich believing that you are one of them. But many just like you have realized, "hey, I'm getting screwed too". And that's why Obama won and the Dems took more seats in both houses.

And we are seeing the consequences of such foolishness. The pendulum will swing back quickly. Most Americans despise the recklessness that is inherent in Leftist politics, which is what we're seeing.


So you can continue to side with the GOP on healthcare, drill baby drill, outsourcing jobs, wallmart, tax breaks for the rich and less regulations. I hope you do. It is what cost you the election.

Thats some leap you made there, froggie.

 

[rightwinger]

LOL...Its the same...Guns don't kill people argument

Sure, if people didn't get sick, they wouldn't need health insurance

Guns dont kill people. People kil people using guns.

If I have the antidote to a snake bite and you get bit and I don't give you the medicine, did I kill you or did the snake bite kill you?

In a court of law, you would be negligable. Just like if you knew CPR and didn't help me and I died, you could be prosecuted under the good semeritan law.

Dead is dead

Not having proper healthcare causes people to die. Yet republicans compare those who try to obtain healthcare for Americans to terrorists

 

[sealybobo]

Denied treatment that might have cured what was killing her. Big difference. And if an insurance CEO shoots me- he killed me. And BK is not hard. At all. You might have to do a 13 as opposed to a 7, but so what? As for solutions- what solutions have I offered?

Ok, so treatment only cures 7 in 10. So the insurance companies practices kills 7 in 10.
Can you back either statement up?

Bankruptsy is a lot less attractive today than it was before the GOP passed laws making it harder for people but easier for corporations.
The biggest change came in the type of BK most qualify for.

Saying it is not hard doesn't make you right. How do you know?
Because I practiced law for several years.

Explain to me the process?
Depends on the type of bk. In a seven, a trustee examines your debts and discharges the ones that qualify. In a thirteen, you negotiate a payment plan to repay some of the debt. This is, of course, simplified.

Explain you understand what changes were made to the laws in the last 8 years. Do you even know?

The point is, healthcare should not be bankrupting as many Americans as it does now. Its not healthy/good for America. We must solve this. You might not want it solved, but enough of us do. Hell, even people with insurance are being bankrupted with healthcare costs, or being denied because of pre existing conditions.

The problems you describe are greatly exxagerated. there are over 200 million people with insurance, and most are happy with it.

Basically we needed to solve these problems when Hillary tried to fix healthcare and NOW we need to undo a lot of the things the GOP did in the last 8 years that made things even worse.
Cry me a river.

I know you won't agree, just like you probably approved of what the GOP did the last 8 years when I was complaining. And CLEARLY I was right. The Bush/Delay run government was horrible for the masses but great for the mega rich. You probably fit somewhere in the middle so you don't care as much as people like me. I do feel like the GOP's policies will negatively affect me. Maybe you don't, and that's great. So then vote for the rich believing that you are one of them. But many just like you have realized, "hey, I'm getting screwed too". And that's why Obama won and the Dems took more seats in both houses.

And we are seeing the consequences of such foolishness. The pendulum will swing back quickly. Most Americans despise the recklessness that is inherent in Leftist politics, which is what we're seeing.


So you can continue to side with the GOP on healthcare, drill baby drill, outsourcing jobs, wallmart, tax breaks for the rich and less regulations. I hope you do. It is what cost you the election.

Thats some leap you made there, froggie.

You righties are funny. We are seeing the consequences of 8 years of Bush/GOP/Tom Delay run government. The unemployment and every other problem we have right now is due to policies put in place by Reagan/Bush1/GOP run House and Senate, Clinton & Bush 2.

Start listening to Thom Hartmann on AM radio at Noon. Air America. Once you have both sides of the story, then you can decide who's right and who's wrong.

And its funny you guys think the sky is falling now because of Dem policies, which is the same thing they said back during the New Deal. People didn't want the CCC coming to their states, and it turned out to be a great idea. They called it socialism, communism, too much government intervention. Wrong then, wrong now.

Anyways, the best argument you guys have is that Dems are no better than Reps when it comes to special interest. But then you would have to address that fact your entire party is run by lobbyists. And you can't really say Dems are the same, because you say the Dems are pushing a very radical left wing agenda that is different than the GOP.

 

[Political Junky]

Virginia Foxx: Health Care Reform Is A Bigger Threat Than "Any Terrorist Right Now In Any Country" (VIDEO)

Are you afraid yet?

Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-N.C.) claimed on Monday that health care reform is a bigger threat than terrorism -- the latest incendiary comment from a Republican lawmaker on the supposedly dire consequences of the legislation.

Speaking on the House floor, the North Carolina lawmaker said:

Everywhere I go in my district, people tell me they are frightened. ... I share that fear, and I believe they should be fearful. And I believe the greatest fear that we all should have to our freedom comes from this room -- this very room -- and what may happen later this week in terms of a tax increase bill masquerading as a health care bill. I believe we have more to fear from the potential of that bill passing than we do from any terrorist right now in any country.Foxx's attack comes just days after Rep. John Shadegg (R-Ariz.) said that the health care reform is an issue more important "than the impeachment of President Clinton or even 9/11 and the decision to go to war."



Read more at: Virginia Foxx: Health Care Reform Is A Bigger Threat Than "Any Terrorist Right Now In Any Country" (VIDEO)

That senile old woman, Foxx, can't stop making a fool of herself.

 

[sealybobo]

Bottom line, is the GOP and their politics/policies cost them a generation in voters. They pushed too far with their devisive politics. Hate only wins for so long. Eventually rational people realize that gays should be allowed to marry, just like most whites knew slavery was wrong.

The GOP completely lost the blind patriotism vote. They didn't kick ass in Afganistan, and yet they want to call out Obama for what he does over there? Pahleez.

And you can only defend the oil companies and insurance companies and capitalism and free trade and tea bagging for so long before people wake up and realize they are twisting the issues. And we are more informed with cable documentaries and the internet.

Amazing how far the GOP will allow corporations to go. Remember Haloburton/KBR made employees sign a waver that they wouldn't sue the company if they were gang raped? And the GOP argued in favor of that? They can defend anything. But I love it because it makes them seem rediculous.

Anyways, glad to see the GOP is getting desperate and running out of good arguments against single payer/public option.

 

[sealybobo]

Virginia Foxx: Health Care Reform Is A Bigger Threat Than "Any Terrorist Right Now In Any Country" (VIDEO)

Are you afraid yet?

Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-N.C.) claimed on Monday that health care reform is a bigger threat than terrorism -- the latest incendiary comment from a Republican lawmaker on the supposedly dire consequences of the legislation.

Speaking on the House floor, the North Carolina lawmaker said:

Everywhere I go in my district, people tell me they are frightened. ... I share that fear, and I believe they should be fearful. And I believe the greatest fear that we all should have to our freedom comes from this room -- this very room -- and what may happen later this week in terms of a tax increase bill masquerading as a health care bill. I believe we have more to fear from the potential of that bill passing than we do from any terrorist right now in any country.Foxx's attack comes just days after Rep. John Shadegg (R-Ariz.) said that the health care reform is an issue more important "than the impeachment of President Clinton or even 9/11 and the decision to go to war."



Read more at: Virginia Foxx: Health Care Reform Is A Bigger Threat Than "Any Terrorist Right Now In Any Country" (VIDEO)

That senile old woman, Foxx, can't stop making a fool of herself.

I haven't been on USMB for awhile. I'm glad to see more people on here that get it.

 

[ThePickledPunk]

LOL...Its the same...Guns don't kill people argument

Sure, if people didn't get sick, they wouldn't need health insurance

Guns dont kill people. People kil people using guns.

If I have the antidote to a snake bite and you get bit and I don't give you the medicine, did I kill you or did the snake bite kill you?

The snake bite did

In a court of law, you would be negligable. Just like if you knew CPR and didn't help me and I died, you could be prosecuted under the good semeritan law.

You clearly dont understand good samaritan laws, which protect individuals from liability that come to the aid of others. And unless I was under some obligation to render you assistance, I would be well within my rights to pour the antivenin on your chest while you slowly died.

 

[ThePickledPunk]

Guns dont kill people. People kil people using guns.

If I have the antidote to a snake bite and you get bit and I don't give you the medicine, did I kill you or did the snake bite kill you?

In a court of law, you would be negligable. Just like if you knew CPR and didn't help me and I died, you could be prosecuted under the good semeritan law.

Dead is dead

Not having proper healthcare causes people to die. Yet republicans compare those who try to obtain healthcare for Americans to terrorists

not receiving proper healthcare contributes to people deaths.

 

[ThePickledPunk]

Ok, so treatment only cures 7 in 10. So the insurance companies practices kills 7 in 10.
Can you back either statement up?

Bankruptsy is a lot less attractive today than it was before the GOP passed laws making it harder for people but easier for corporations.
The biggest change came in the type of BK most qualify for.

Saying it is not hard doesn't make you right. How do you know?
Because I practiced law for several years.

Explain to me the process?
Depends on the type of bk. In a seven, a trustee examines your debts and discharges the ones that qualify. In a thirteen, you negotiate a payment plan to repay some of the debt. This is, of course, simplified.

Explain you understand what changes were made to the laws in the last 8 years. Do you even know?

The point is, healthcare should not be bankrupting as many Americans as it does now. Its not healthy/good for America. We must solve this. You might not want it solved, but enough of us do. Hell, even people with insurance are being bankrupted with healthcare costs, or being denied because of pre existing conditions.

The problems you describe are greatly exxagerated. there are over 200 million people with insurance, and most are happy with it.

Basically we needed to solve these problems when Hillary tried to fix healthcare and NOW we need to undo a lot of the things the GOP did in the last 8 years that made things even worse.
Cry me a river.

I know you won't agree, just like you probably approved of what the GOP did the last 8 years when I was complaining. And CLEARLY I was right. The Bush/Delay run government was horrible for the masses but great for the mega rich. You probably fit somewhere in the middle so you don't care as much as people like me. I do feel like the GOP's policies will negatively affect me. Maybe you don't, and that's great. So then vote for the rich believing that you are one of them. But many just like you have realized, "hey, I'm getting screwed too". And that's why Obama won and the Dems took more seats in both houses.

And we are seeing the consequences of such foolishness. The pendulum will swing back quickly. Most Americans despise the recklessness that is inherent in Leftist politics, which is what we're seeing.


So you can continue to side with the GOP on healthcare, drill baby drill, outsourcing jobs, wallmart, tax breaks for the rich and less regulations. I hope you do. It is what cost you the election.

Thats some leap you made there, froggie.

You righties are funny. We are seeing the consequences of 8 years of Bush/GOP/Tom Delay run government. The unemployment and every other problem we have right now is due to policies put in place by Reagan/Bush1/GOP run House and Senate, Clinton & Bush 2.

Start listening to Thom Hartmann on AM radio at Noon. Air America.

No thanks. Air America is for fools.

Once you have both sides of the story, then you can decide who's right and who's wrong.

And its funny you guys think the sky is falling now because of Dem policies, which is the same thing they said back during the New Deal. People didn't want the CCC coming to their states, and it turned out to be a great idea. They called it socialism, communism, too much government intervention. Wrong then, wrong now.

Anyways, the best argument you guys have is that Dems are no better than Reps when it comes to special interest. But then you would have to address that fact your entire party is run by lobbyists. And you can't really say Dems are the same, because you say the Dems are pushing a very radical left wing agenda that is different than the GOP.

Cant stay on topic, can you...

 

[SpidermanTuba]

And it is this type of situation for which BK protection is extended. As for being "my idiotic self" being uninsured- you are correct. My point exactly. I made the choice- and I dealt with the consequences- in a responsible manner. I did not expect the government to rescue me.

And who was going to have to pay for it if you weren't able to pay it back?

Money's got to come from somewhere.

I was able to. And if I hadn't- the providers would have. And that would have passed on as higher prices.

Lots of people buy cars they cant afford, which then ends up in a repo and a deficiency after sale, which is a loss to the car dealers and finance companies. Perhaps we should have government force everyone to buy a car to help offset those costs....

Brilliant analogy. When's the last time you unexpectedly had to buy a $35,000 car - or die?

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Having a Congress that says they have the Constitutional authority to FORCE people to buy health care IS worse than a terrorist attack.

It's an attack on the basic framework of our country and is the institution of Tyranny

Do they force seniors to take medicare?
.

No. But they force all of us to pay for it. Interesting how Republicans are fine with being force to pay for health care they don't receive.

 

[ThePickledPunk]

And who was going to have to pay for it if you weren't able to pay it back?

Money's got to come from somewhere.

I was able to. And if I hadn't- the providers would have. And that would have passed on as higher prices.

Lots of people buy cars they cant afford, which then ends up in a repo and a deficiency after sale, which is a loss to the car dealers and finance companies. Perhaps we should have government force everyone to buy a car to help offset those costs....

Brilliant analogy. When's the last time you unexpectedly had to buy a $35,000 car - or die?

non-responsive idiocy.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

I was able to. And if I hadn't- the providers would have. And that would have passed on as higher prices.

Lots of people buy cars they cant afford, which then ends up in a repo and a deficiency after sale, which is a loss to the car dealers and finance companies. Perhaps we should have government force everyone to buy a car to help offset those costs....

Brilliant analogy. When's the last time you unexpectedly had to buy a $35,000 car - or die?

non-responsive idiocy.

So how many bankruptcies you think are due to car notes?

 

[ThePickledPunk]

Brilliant analogy. When's the last time you unexpectedly had to buy a $35,000 car - or die?

non-responsive idiocy.

So how many bankruptcies you think are due to car notes?

Lots of bankruptcies include debts on vehicles.

 

[ThePickledPunk]

Brilliant analogy. When's the last time you unexpectedly had to buy a $35,000 car - or die?

non-responsive idiocy.

So how many bankruptcies you think are due to car notes?

for some time this thread has been about forcing individuals to buy insurance to defray the costs of a public option. Because the non-insured that dont pay their medical bills contribute to higher costs. As do those that default on car loans- which is no reason to get the government involved in forcing people to purchase cars. Or insurance that the individual, who is in the best position to determine what he needs, decides is unnecessary. In short- what you want is for the government to make personal decisions for us. Because apparently you dont believe people should make their own decisions when it comes to health insurance.

 

[rightwinger]

non-responsive idiocy.

So how many bankruptcies you think are due to car notes?

for some time this thread has been about forcing individuals to buy insurance to defray the costs of a public option. Because the non-insured that dont pay their medical bills contribute to higher costs. As do those that default on car loans- which is no reason to get the government involved in forcing people to purchase cars. Or insurance that the individual, who is in the best position to determine what he needs, decides is unnecessary. In short- what you want is for the government to make personal decisions for us. Because apparently you dont believe people should make their own decisions when it comes to health insurance.

They make a decision not to buy health insurance up until the time they show up at the emergency room wanting critical treatment.
Then it is up to the taxpayers to pay the bill

 

[sealybobo]

non-responsive idiocy.

So how many bankruptcies you think are due to car notes?

Lots of bankruptcies include debts on vehicles.

But car notes aren't the main reason for bankruptsy. Medical bills is the straw that breaks peoples backs. Medical bills is more often "the reason" when people are asked why they went bankrupt. And what about the people that suck it up, don't go bankrupt and just spend the rest of their lives paying off that $50K hospital visit?

You guys don't care and won't do anything about it even though it is happening to way too many of your "constituents". Now you'll call the Dems communists if they try to put your precious corporations in check? Gotta protect the Corporations and CEO's of our country.

If Obama and the Dems fail, we all lose.

 

[ThePickledPunk]

So how many bankruptcies you think are due to car notes?

for some time this thread has been about forcing individuals to buy insurance to defray the costs of a public option. Because the non-insured that dont pay their medical bills contribute to higher costs. As do those that default on car loans- which is no reason to get the government involved in forcing people to purchase cars. Or insurance that the individual, who is in the best position to determine what he needs, decides is unnecessary. In short- what you want is for the government to make personal decisions for us. Because apparently you dont believe people should make their own decisions when it comes to health insurance.

They make a decision not to buy health insurance up until the time they show up at the emergency room wanting critical treatment.
Then it is up to the taxpayers to pay the bill

no, its not up to the taxpayers. The uninsured that do not pay have no effect on your taxes. The costs are passed on to consumers. Just as they are in my car example.

 

[sealybobo]

So how many bankruptcies you think are due to car notes?

for some time this thread has been about forcing individuals to buy insurance to defray the costs of a public option. Because the non-insured that dont pay their medical bills contribute to higher costs. As do those that default on car loans- which is no reason to get the government involved in forcing people to purchase cars. Or insurance that the individual, who is in the best position to determine what he needs, decides is unnecessary. In short- what you want is for the government to make personal decisions for us. Because apparently you dont believe people should make their own decisions when it comes to health insurance.

They make a decision not to buy health insurance up until the time they show up at the emergency room wanting critical treatment.
Then it is up to the taxpayers to pay the bill

Its unaffordable for people who don't have an employer paying for it. Even then sometimes its not enough. Pre existing conditions or your insurance doesn't cover certain things. Its a monopoly and needs to be put into check. CEO's who want to make $45 billion a year don't want to cover you when you get sick. Wake up!

And for you Republicans. What about your love of corporations who are paying crazy amounts of $ on healthcare. We're the only country that makes our companies pay. We want them to be competitive, right? This must make right wingers heads explode. Decisions, decisions.