Republicans taking Blame for Shutdown - Polls

[RKMBrown]

Progress. If groups are making progress considering the private offerings on the exchange vs current possibilities, they have more time to work things out.

After all, the goal is the best choice for everyone.

Not sure why we are disconnecting.

The democrats refused to give the exemption they gave to corporations to individuals. The democrats are giving corporations a choice and time to implement obama care but are not giving individuals the same time or choice.

Time for individuals has run out and the web site does not even work. Next up come the fines on the middle class or the extremely expensive and wasteful insurance choices that obama care just effed up to the max. People like me could fly solo and get family insurance for 5 for 400 a month, but now under Obama care that same insurance will go up to 1200 per month. We are not talking chump change here. Obama Care is a MAJOR eff up, of astronomical proportions.

Conservatives are against the employer mandate but all for the individual mandate; making the current situation ideal for them. The only reason it's not is because they are not honest brokers in thus deal.

Why are you making up lies?

 

[Faun]

Not sure why we are disconnecting.

The democrats refused to give the exemption they gave to corporations to individuals. The democrats are giving corporations a choice and time to implement obama care but are not giving individuals the same time or choice.

Time for individuals has run out and the web site does not even work. Next up come the fines on the middle class or the extremely expensive and wasteful insurance choices that obama care just effed up to the max. People like me could fly solo and get family insurance for 5 for 400 a month, but now under Obama care that same insurance will go up to 1200 per month. We are not talking chump change here. Obama Care is a MAJOR eff up, of astronomical proportions.

Conservatives are against the employer mandate but all for the individual mandate; making the current situation ideal for them. The only reason it's not is because they are not honest brokers in thus deal.

Why are you making up lies?

That is no lie. Conservatives can't handle the truth.

 

[orBeMezaTtnoD]

Obama lowered the deficit. Really?

Funny thing is the National Debt clock keeps going up, up, up and up. How can you reduce the deficit when when deficit keeps going up? Is that some kind of new math? Or is it math for people who don't understand basic addition and subtraction?

Here's a link to the National Debt clock. Look at it real closely. It is going up real fast. When Obama came into office the clock stood at $11 trillion. Five years under Obama it now stands at $17 trillion.

I don't claim to be a math genius, but $11 billion does not reduce to $17 trillion. I pretty sure that would not be correct.


U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Here's a free lesson ...

deficit for FY2012 was: $1,275,901,078,829
deficit for FY2013 was: $671,942,119,312

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

$671,942,119,312 is LESS than $1,275,901,078,829, meaning the deficit is lower.

The next exercise is on you to learn for yourself -- debt vs. deficit

They can't hear us.

They can't see facts.

I believe they are locked in the Fox Echo Chamber.

A lot of semantics going on here but can any of you explain how Obama cut the deficit? What was it that he did all by himself that cut the deficit which by the way he has blamed everybody but himself for having a deficit. Lets get to the real facts - What policy of Obama's has cut the deficit ...or has it gone down in spite of his policies? I think the latter is the truth and the Republicans probably are the ones who should be getting the credit for any deficit reduction due to their policies. But to take credit for a deficit this large despite reduction and a government with no budget - that is Obama's and the Democrats for sure, and a CR is not a budget.

 

[Faun]

Here's a free lesson ...

deficit for FY2012 was: $1,275,901,078,829
deficit for FY2013 was: $671,942,119,312

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

$671,942,119,312 is LESS than $1,275,901,078,829, meaning the deficit is lower.

The next exercise is on you to learn for yourself -- debt vs. deficit

They can't hear us.

They can't see facts.

I believe they are locked in the Fox Echo Chamber.

A lot of symantics going on here but can any of you explain how Obama cut the deficit? What was it that he did all by himself that cut the deficit which by the way he has blamed everybody but himself for having a deficit. Lets get to the real facts - What policy of Obama's has cut the deficit ...or has it gone down in spite of his policies?

For one, increase in taxes -- which the right attributes to Obama. For another, the sequester, which the right also attributes to Obama.

 

[orBeMezaTtnoD]

Yeah right - you are twisted - the sequester would never have happened if it weren't for the Republicans standing their ground on spending. Tax increases? Yeah that did a lot for the economy didn't it - took money out of the private sector, killed jobs and without it economy would be better, hence more revenue, hence lower deficit. Try again. What policy has Obama implemented that lowered the deficit? Everybody knows a strong economy raises all boats, lowers the deficit and everything Obama has done has hurt the economy and jobs.

 

[Faun]

Yeah right - you are twisted - the sequester would never have happened if it weren't for the Republicans standing their ground on spending. Tax increases? Yeah that did a lot for the economy didn't it - took money out of the private sector, killed jobs and without it economy would be better, hence more revenue, hence lower deficit. Try again. What policy has Obama implemented that lowered the deficit? Everybody knows a strong economy raises all boats, lowers the deficit and everything Obama has done has hurt the economy and jobs.

It's cute how way back when doom and gloom was predicted, the right kept telling us the sequester was all Obama's idea. Now that it's reducing the deficit, the righties want to take the credit for that back.



Oh, and there are more private sector jobs today than there were before the tax hike went into effect, so who knows what you're rambling about there either? Regardless of your confusion, raising taxes increased revenue and contributed to the deficit decrease.

 

[orBeMezaTtnoD]

Yeah right - you are twisted - the sequester would never have happened if it weren't for the Republicans standing their ground on spending. Tax increases? Yeah that did a lot for the economy didn't it - took money out of the private sector, killed jobs and without it economy would be better, hence more revenue, hence lower deficit. Try again. What policy has Obama implemented that lowered the deficit? Everybody knows a strong economy raises all boats, lowers the deficit and everything Obama has done has hurt the economy and jobs.

It's cute how way back when doom and gloom was predicted, the right kept telling us the sequester was all Obama's idea. Now that it's reducing the deficit, the righties want to take the credit for that back.



Oh, and there are more private sector jobs today than there were before the tax hike went into effect, so who knows what you're rambling about there either? Regardless of your confusion, raising taxes increased revenue and contributed to the deficit decrease.

"right kept telling us the sequester was all Obama's idea"

it was but he himself says he didn't want it, nor did the Republicans because it was the wrong way to cut...If Obama gets credit for cutting by the sequester then why is he now negotiating to get rid of it?

more jobs? - yeah part time, and nowhere near what is needed to keep up with people entering the job market. The real unemployment figure is not going down.

Thank you for demonstrating how you try to cherry pick to defend your point of view and leave out the facts...all spin, that's all the left has when faced with the truth. Your rhetoric simply confirms that the left is tax and spend policies and damn the results when they are nowhere near optimal.

 

[Faun]

Yeah right - you are twisted - the sequester would never have happened if it weren't for the Republicans standing their ground on spending. Tax increases? Yeah that did a lot for the economy didn't it - took money out of the private sector, killed jobs and without it economy would be better, hence more revenue, hence lower deficit. Try again. What policy has Obama implemented that lowered the deficit? Everybody knows a strong economy raises all boats, lowers the deficit and everything Obama has done has hurt the economy and jobs.

It's cute how way back when doom and gloom was predicted, the right kept telling us the sequester was all Obama's idea. Now that it's reducing the deficit, the righties want to take the credit for that back.



Oh, and there are more private sector jobs today than there were before the tax hike went into effect, so who knows what you're rambling about there either? Regardless of your confusion, raising taxes increased revenue and contributed to the deficit decrease.

"right kept telling us the sequester was all Obama's idea"

it was but he himself says he didn't want it, nor did the Republicans because it was the wrong way to cut...If Obama gets credit for cutting by the sequester then why is he now negotiating to get rid of it?

more jobs? - yeah part time, and nowhere near what is needed to keep up with people entering the job market. The real unemployment figure is not going down.

Thank you for demonstrating how you try to cherry pick to defend your point of view and leave out the facts...all spin, that's all the left has when faced with the truth. Your rhetoric simply confirms that the left is tax and spend policies and damn the results when they are nowhere near optimal.

I would rather tax and spend like Democrats than borrow and spend like Republicans. At any rate, the unemployment rates, including the U6 rate which includes part-time workers who want full-time jobs, have all dropped since the tax hike went into effect. The economy was getting better until the radical right shut the government down, resulting in roughly a million furloughs.

 

[mudwhistle]

A comet exploded over Egypt 28 million years ago scientists discovered. Democrats blamed Republicans.....

 

[Seawytch]

Yes, the sequestration was the President's idea. The "idea" was to impose cuts so horrible to both sides, that they would be forced to sit at the budget table and talk. We see how that worked out...

The House still put off talks for months, refusing to assign budget committees (the Senate assigned theirs) so that they had a "forcing mechanism" (GOP words, my friends).

 

[mudwhistle]

It's cute how way back when doom and gloom was predicted, the right kept telling us the sequester was all Obama's idea. Now that it's reducing the deficit, the righties want to take the credit for that back.



Oh, and there are more private sector jobs today than there were before the tax hike went into effect, so who knows what you're rambling about there either? Regardless of your confusion, raising taxes increased revenue and contributed to the deficit decrease.

"right kept telling us the sequester was all Obama's idea"

it was but he himself says he didn't want it, nor did the Republicans because it was the wrong way to cut...If Obama gets credit for cutting by the sequester then why is he now negotiating to get rid of it?

more jobs? - yeah part time, and nowhere near what is needed to keep up with people entering the job market. The real unemployment figure is not going down.

Thank you for demonstrating how you try to cherry pick to defend your point of view and leave out the facts...all spin, that's all the left has when faced with the truth. Your rhetoric simply confirms that the left is tax and spend policies and damn the results when they are nowhere near optimal.

I would rather tax and spend like Democrats than borrow and spend like Republicans. At any rate, the unemployment rates, including the U6 rate which includes part-time workers who want full-time jobs, have all dropped since the tax hike went into effect. The economy was getting better until the radical right shut the government down, resulting in roughly a million furloughs.

Link

 

[Faun]

"right kept telling us the sequester was all Obama's idea"

it was but he himself says he didn't want it, nor did the Republicans because it was the wrong way to cut...If Obama gets credit for cutting by the sequester then why is he now negotiating to get rid of it?

more jobs? - yeah part time, and nowhere near what is needed to keep up with people entering the job market. The real unemployment figure is not going down.

Thank you for demonstrating how you try to cherry pick to defend your point of view and leave out the facts...all spin, that's all the left has when faced with the truth. Your rhetoric simply confirms that the left is tax and spend policies and damn the results when they are nowhere near optimal.

I would rather tax and spend like Democrats than borrow and spend like Republicans. At any rate, the unemployment rates, including the U6 rate which includes part-time workers who want full-time jobs, have all dropped since the tax hike went into effect. The economy was getting better until the radical right shut the government down, resulting in roughly a million furloughs.

Link

U6 Unemployment Rate | Portal Seven

 

[Snookie]

Let's de fund the sequester.

 

[Redfish]

Yes, the sequestration was the President's idea. The "idea" was to impose cuts so horrible to both sides, that they would be forced to sit at the budget table and talk. We see how that worked out...

The House still put off talks for months, refusing to assign budget committees (the Senate assigned theirs) so that they had a "forcing mechanism" (GOP words, my friends).

Where do you get these lies? The house has passed numerous budget bills and sent them to the senate. Reid has not let a single one be debated or voted on in the senate. Reid is the reason we have not had a federal budget for over 5 years. Wake up twytchey, you are being lied to.

 

[Nyvin]

Yes, the sequestration was the President's idea. The "idea" was to impose cuts so horrible to both sides, that they would be forced to sit at the budget table and talk. We see how that worked out...

The House still put off talks for months, refusing to assign budget committees (the Senate assigned theirs) so that they had a "forcing mechanism" (GOP words, my friends).

Where do you get these lies? The house has passed numerous budget bills and sent them to the senate. Reid has not let a single one be debated or voted on in the senate. Reid is the reason we have not had a federal budget for over 5 years. Wake up twytchey, you are being lied to.

The Democrats in the senate have tried to form a committee since the beginning of April...it's the Republicans in the Senate that have block any budget committee from even being formed.

 

[Liberal]

The debt is all due to Republicans defending the Bushwacker's policies beyond their time by holding America hostage to their demands.
Obama saved America from the destruction of conservatism. That’s why you hate him.

That's why he'll be judged by history as Lincoln's equal. And the Bushwacker as America's worst.

This is true. But, Neocons will never admit it.. They are the creators of the "Starve The Beast" fiscal policy, which by name means to spend in a deficit.


After his tax cuts and admitted deficit spending Bush said in 2001: "so we have the tax relief plan that now provides a new kind—a fiscal straight jacket for Congress. And that's good for the taxpayers, and it's incredibly positive news if you're worried about a federal government that has been growing at a dramatic pace over the past eight years and it has been."

 

[Toro]

An ABC News/Washington Post poll found that 74 percent of Americans disapprove of how Republicans have been handling the fiscal impasse, compared with 53 percent who disapprove of Obama’s approach.

“We’ve basically blown the last two months with some of our members, and a lot of the House, focused on a shiny object that was never going to happen,” said Senator Bob Corker, a Tennessee Republican. “So we find ourselves four days from a debt ceiling and all of a sudden, 72 hours ago, we began talking about the right subject, which is spending and entitlement reforms and those kinds of things.”

Senate Debt-Limit Deal Emerging With Time Running Short - Bloomberg

 

[PMZ]

The GOP faces two mutually exclusive alternatives.

Please conservatives or voters.
So far they've made the self destructive choice every time.

They are suicidal as a political party.

 

[Redfish]

Yes, the sequestration was the President's idea. The "idea" was to impose cuts so horrible to both sides, that they would be forced to sit at the budget table and talk. We see how that worked out...

The House still put off talks for months, refusing to assign budget committees (the Senate assigned theirs) so that they had a "forcing mechanism" (GOP words, my friends).

Where do you get these lies? The house has passed numerous budget bills and sent them to the senate. Reid has not let a single one be debated or voted on in the senate. Reid is the reason we have not had a federal budget for over 5 years. Wake up twytchey, you are being lied to.

The Democrats in the senate have tried to form a committee since the beginning of April...it's the Republicans in the Senate that have block any budget committee from even being formed.

the republicans in the senate are the minority party, they cannot block anything. If Reid wanted a conference committee, there would be one.

 

[Nyvin]

Where do you get these lies? The house has passed numerous budget bills and sent them to the senate. Reid has not let a single one be debated or voted on in the senate. Reid is the reason we have not had a federal budget for over 5 years. Wake up twytchey, you are being lied to.

The Democrats in the senate have tried to form a committee since the beginning of April...it's the Republicans in the Senate that have block any budget committee from even being formed.

the republicans in the senate are the minority party, they cannot block anything. If Reid wanted a conference committee, there would be one.

You think the repubs in the senate can't block anything??? LOL...ever hear of a filibuster?