Republicans taking Blame for Shutdown - Polls

[PMZ]

Where do you get these lies? The house has passed numerous budget bills and sent them to the senate. Reid has not let a single one be debated or voted on in the senate. Reid is the reason we have not had a federal budget for over 5 years. Wake up twytchey, you are being lied to.

The Democrats in the senate have tried to form a committee since the beginning of April...it's the Republicans in the Senate that have block any budget committee from even being formed.

all Reid has to do is take up the budgets the house passed..... But you already know this dont you ? Why do you guys feel the need to be dishonest all the time?

He will when the House sends him one that's good for the country rather than only the Republican Party.

 

[PMZ]

The GOP faces two mutually exclusive alternatives.

Please conservatives or voters.
So far they've made the self destructive choice every time.

They are suicidal as a political party.

their not pleasing Conservatives hasn't helped them so far.

Every indication is that they've moved beyond help. There seems to be no possibility of redemption at this point.

 

[thanatos144]

The Democrats in the senate have tried to form a committee since the beginning of April...it's the Republicans in the Senate that have block any budget committee from even being formed.

all Reid has to do is take up the budgets the house passed..... But you already know this dont you ? Why do you guys feel the need to be dishonest all the time?

He will when the House sends him one that's good for the country rather than only the Republican Party.

They are all good for the country.

 

[thanatos144]

The GOP faces two mutually exclusive alternatives.

Please conservatives or voters.
So far they've made the self destructive choice every time.

They are suicidal as a political party.

their not pleasing Conservatives hasn't helped them so far.

Every indication is that they've moved beyond help. There seems to be no possibility of redemption at this point.

LOL only a progressive refuses to see the truth.... the GOP has moved to far left and that's why they lost the white house.

 

[Snookie]

John Boehner, Harry Reid And Nancy Pelosi Speak After WH Meeting: "It's Other Side's Fault" - YouTube

He says he wants fairness wrt to Obama Care and the President and Reid, which is the same exemptions for everyone else that the democrats have been handing out to their friends.

I don't see anything wrong with them demanding that the law be equal to everyone.

Now that's funny!

 

[PMZ]

federal spending is a "beast" the must be starved. We cannot continue to spend more than we take in and then borrow the rest. This is fiscal lunacy.

China will own us in a few more years of this idiocy.

Almost right on. The problem is our debt. It was caused by Republican policies. The first step in solving it is to lower the deficit. Done by Democrats with no help from Republicans. The second step is to grow the economy and therefore revenue. Being done by Democrats but resisted by Republicans.

See a pattern here?

Fortunately for progress in these areas, Republicans are cooperating in one way. They are committing political suicide. I personally wish them success in that so they will be out of the way for the rebirth of the functional centrist old GOP.

It's caused by Democratic policies by the huge growth in entitlement programs.
Dem's are wanting to end the sequester and tax 1 trillion dollars more. They don't want to deal with the deficit nor do they want to pay down the debt.
Democratic polices are stopping the growth by having more taxes, high corp. taxes and way too much ridiculous regulations.
The New Health Care is stopping a huge amount of growth.

Sounds like a Fox News evening report.

 

[PMZ]

It's caused by Democratic policies by the huge growth in entitlement programs.
Dem's are wanting to end the sequester and tax 1 trillion dollars more. They don't want to deal with the deficit nor do they want to pay down the debt.
Democratic polices are stopping the growth by having more taxes, high corp. taxes and way too much ridiculous regulations.
The New Health Care is stopping a huge amount of growth.

They've dealt with the deficit more then any other point since WW2. No one has paid down the debt since 1960.

A lack of regulation was a primary reason the crash of 2008 happened.

Are you sure it was a lack of regulation rather than a poor job of the regulators to do their jobs?

From my perspective the issue was political goal based finance being pushed by federally run Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Similar to IRS political goal based attack on the Republicans.

When the Government runs a sector it takes on the personality of it's leaders. Barney Frank running finance.. ROFL and you wonder why it was corrupt? That's the rooster running the hen house.

Typical conservative blame the police for crime. Let's try holding criminals responsible.

 

[PMZ]

Obama lowered the deficit. Really?

Funny thing is the National Debt clock keeps going up, up, up and up. How can you reduce the deficit when when deficit keeps going up? Is that some kind of new math? Or is it math for people who don't understand basic addition and subtraction?

Here's a link to the National Debt clock. Look at it real closely. It is going up real fast. When Obama came into office the clock stood at $11 trillion. Five years under Obama it now stands at $17 trillion.

I don't claim to be a math genius, but $11 billion does not reduce to $17 trillion. I pretty sure that would not be correct.


U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Here's a free lesson ...

deficit for FY2012 was: $1,275,901,078,829
deficit for FY2013 was: $671,942,119,312

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

$671,942,119,312 is LESS than $1,275,901,078,829, meaning the deficit is lower.

The next exercise is on you to learn for yourself -- debt vs. deficit

Budget proposal for FY 2014?

$3.8 trillion

Obama Sends $3.8 Trillion Budget to Congress

So the question remains. He shrunk the deficit?

What's the expected revenue?

 

[Snookie]

Some republicans are calling the right wing wackos "childish", a perfect description of those morons. Mark Pryor: Some Republicans Are 'Acting Childish' Over Government Shutdown, Debt Ceiling (VIDEO)

 

[PMZ]

Why do you guys keep calling welfare entitlements???? They are not entitled to it! This is why we are losing the country because people keep using progressive terminology instead of just calling it what the fuck it is!

Social Security and Medicare are entitlements. Just like a bank account. You're entitled to your money and a return on it.

 

[PMZ]

Neo-cons, PNAC war hawks, religious zealots, RINOS, and "compassionate conservatism" killed the Republican Party.

Good riddance if you ask me.

Sorry but I am not a progressive so I will listen to differing ideas and keep a open mind.

As long as it avoids progress.

 

[thanatos144]

Why do you guys keep calling welfare entitlements???? They are not entitled to it! This is why we are losing the country because people keep using progressive terminology instead of just calling it what the fuck it is!

Social Security and Medicare are entitlements. Just like a bank account. You're entitled to your money and a return on it.

Social Security and Medicare are welfare not entitlements... they stopped being entitlements the day you democrats started stealing from it pay for your stupid failures.

 

[PMZ]

Yes, the sequestration was the President's idea. The "idea" was to impose cuts so horrible to both sides, that they would be forced to sit at the budget table and talk. We see how that worked out...

The House still put off talks for months, refusing to assign budget committees (the Senate assigned theirs) so that they had a "forcing mechanism" (GOP words, my friends).

The Senate has not dealt with the budget for years.
Timeline

April 29, 2009 – The last time the Democrat-led Senate adopted a budget resolution. Also the last time the Majority brought a budget plan to the floor.

April 22, 2010 – The Budget Committee completes action on a mark-up and reports a budget out of committee, but the Democrat majority chooses to keep its own plan from being offered on the Senate floor. This is the last time the Majority conducted a legally required markup.

May 17, 2011 – Despite missing the statutory deadline for a budget to be passed out of the Budget Committee, Chairman Conrad delays the unveiling of his budget for FY 2012, announcing that “I’ll say something later — not today, probably… There are a lot of conversations under way.”

April 15 – The Republican-controlled House of Representatives passes its budget for FY 2012, which cuts $6 trillion in comparison to the president’s budget.

May 18 – Majority Leader Reid says it would be “foolish” for Senate Democrats to offer a budget.

May 19 – Chairman Conrad cancels a planned committee mark-up, announcing he will not reveal a budget to the public until after such time as the Gang of Six produces a proposal.

May 25 – The Senate rejects President Obama’s FY 2012 budget by a vote of 0-97.

May 23 – Senator Schumer, when asked why there is no alternative to the House-passed budget, answers, “To put other budgets out there is not the point.”

June 7 – Even some Senate Democrats become anxious about their party’s lack of a budget.

June 29 – Chairman Conrad tells Politico, “Senate Democrats have reached an agreement on a plan — just now — and we’ll be putting that out sometime soon.” (Note: the plan was never made public, but a leaked outline revealed that it contained as many as $2 in tax hikes for $1 in spending cuts.)

November 9 – House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi claims that Democrats didn’t pass a budget when they controlled both chambers of Congress because “Republicans would have filibustered it,” but as she should know, budget resolutions can’t be filibustered.

January 24, 2012 – President Obama delivers a State of the Union address that falls on the 1,000th day since Senate Democrats offered a budget plan. Although the president focuses much of his criticism on “the way Congress does its business these days,” he neglects to mention Senate Democrats’ budget failures.

February 3 – Days after Chairman Conrad promised to hold a budget mark-up in committee, Majority Leader Reid declares that the Senate would not consider a budget for the third straight year.

February 12 – Current White House chief of staff (and former OMB director) Jack Lew falsely claims that budget resolutions require 60 votes to pass the Senate.

March 14 – Every Republican on the Budget Committee reminds Chairman Conrad that the Congressional Budget Act deadline for passing a budget out of committee is April 1.

March 29 – The Republican-led House passes a budget for FY 2013.

April 17 – Chairman Conrad cancels the scheduled Budget Committee mark-up for the second year in a row, a move that the New York Times reported “surprised Republicans and Democrats, who were expecting him to produce a Democratic budget that, if passed by the committee, would have been the first detailed deficit reduction plan in three years.”

April 29 – Three years pass since Senate Democrats adopted a budget.

May 10, 2013 – Treasury Department figures show that the nation has spent $10.6 trillion since the Senate’s Democrat majority last passed a budget.

Most recent budget offered by Sen. Patty Murphy Oct. 2013.
This one came up because it was forced.

The evidence that a Republican majority in the House has effectively shut down Congress.

 

[Snookie]

This is America's third conservative party, the first two died decent quiet deaths, and there may even have been a mourner or two? Apparently this conservative party, the present Republican party, however, has no intentions of dying without taking the nation with them. If the Republicans party dies, the nation must die, it's that simple. Was it just the election of Obama that sent them over the edge, Obamacare, or do conservative parties just have a certain life-span and bingo?

Neo-cons, PNAC war hawks, religious zealots, RINOS, and "compassionate conservatism" killed the Republican Party.

Good riddance if you ask me.

It would take a machete to open your mind.

Talking about RK Brown.

 

[PMZ]

April 15 – The Republican-controlled House of Representatives passes its budget for FY 2012, which cuts $6 trillion in comparison to the president’s budget.

No Presidential Budget has ever exceeded 4 Trillion...let alone "cut" 6 Trillion....

One of the propaganda tricks of Republican media is to change everything to 10 year looks. It allows them to make little things look big. Sort of like hanging a magnifying glass on your fly.

 

[Snookie]

April 15 – The Republican-controlled House of Representatives passes its budget for FY 2012, which cuts $6 trillion in comparison to the president’s budget.

No Presidential Budget has ever exceeded 4 Trillion...let alone "cut" 6 Trillion....

One of the propaganda tricks of Republican media is to change everything to 10 year looks. It allows them to make little things look big. Sort of like hanging a magnifying glass on your fly.

They are masters at the act of pathological lying.

 

[PMZ]

all Reid has to do is take up the budgets the house passed..... But you already know this dont you ? Why do you guys feel the need to be dishonest all the time?

He will when the House sends him one that's good for the country rather than only the Republican Party.

They are all good for the country.

According to the Republican Party. But anyone who believes that they know what's good for the country doesn't remember the Bushwacker reign.

 

[PMZ]

their not pleasing Conservatives hasn't helped them so far.

Every indication is that they've moved beyond help. There seems to be no possibility of redemption at this point.

LOL only a progressive refuses to see the truth.... the GOP has moved to far left and that's why they lost the white house.

I like your thinking. The best thing that you can do for our country is to keep dragging the GOP to the right. We'll be rid of both you and them much faster that way.

 

[thanatos144]

Facts are funny things democrats... fact we freed slaves and saved the country... fact democrats want slaves and the destruction of the country...

 

[PMZ]

Why do you guys keep calling welfare entitlements???? They are not entitled to it! This is why we are losing the country because people keep using progressive terminology instead of just calling it what the fuck it is!

Social Security and Medicare are entitlements. Just like a bank account. You're entitled to your money and a return on it.

Social Security and Medicare are welfare not entitlements... they stopped being entitlements the day you democrats started stealing from it pay for your stupid failures.

Social Security and Medicare trust funds comply with the law by investing in Treasury Bonds. What would you do with that money?