Restaurants are adding labor surcharges to help offset minimum wage increases

[initforme]

middle class people who listen to Fox or manic or CNN or breit fart will argue with each other incessantly while the wealthy laugh at them while cashing out. if you see it this way you are labelled unpatriotic. The patriotism is an angle used to divert attention. People struggling to scrape by working their tails off will vote for some wealthy dolt and fervently take out their flag and we've it. Meanwhile the sold they vote for thinks "man I can't believe they but into this bs". and neither party is innocent.

 

[francoHFW]

As you can see, the poorer you are, the more state and local taxes bite into your income. As you get richer, those taxes recede, and you're mainly getting hit be federal taxes. So that's another lesson: When you omit state and local taxes from your analysis, you're omitting the taxes that hit lower-income taxpayers hardest.

So the poorer you are the more impact local taxes has on what's left in your pocket and we shouldn't consider they pay no federal tax?

You're a genius.

You're not. Point is, you're duped by your greedy idiot rich GOP brainwashers. They pay no more %wise than the middle class, and end up with all the new wealth, dupe. While the middle class and the country fall apart...

Why should you be allowed to take more money because they are more successful than you?

It has to do with humanity and intelligence and history- Change the channel. And mainly with the fact that the rich not taxed more means they get all the new wealth and the nonrich and the country suffer. DUH.

 

[initforme]

starting wages in America are decreasing big time compared to where they should be.

 

[francoHFW]

I addressed every single one of your posts. I wouldn't, nor have I, recommend, that anyone start a family on today's min wage. But it was more feasible in our country's history. And that was without government supports. So, we can't have it both ways. Either everyone survives on livable wages, or the demand for a government safety net subsidizes stagnant wages.

There you go with the livable wage thing again. Starter wages are not for grown adults to raise families on. It's for kids (young adults). If you can't get past minimum wage we don't need them to reproduce.

And yet that's not how reality bears out. Places that pay min wage don't limit hiring exclusively to kids. And in our nation's history, it was once quite livable. Was that a mistake, in your opinion?

I said several times I'm not buying it. People that had starting wages weren't raising families. You're just repeating yourself.

In answer to your one stupid talking point, dupe.

 

[francoHFW]

middle class people who listen to Fox or manic or CNN or breit fart will argue with each other incessantly while the wealthy laugh at them while cashing out. if you see it this way you are labelled unpatriotic. The patriotism is an angle used to divert attention. People struggling to scrape by working their tails off will vote for some wealthy dolt and fervently take out their flag and we've it. Meanwhile the sold they vote for thinks "man I can't believe they but into this bs". and neither party is innocent.

Except the Dems.

 

[danielpalos]

There's a reason some would prefer that more limited conversation. For most Americans, payroll and state and local taxes make up the majority of their tax bill. The federal income tax, by contrast, is our most progressive tax -- it's the tax we've designed to place the heaviest burden on the rich while bypassing the poor. And we've done that, again, because the working class is already paying a fairly high tax bill through payroll and state and local taxes.

But most people don't know very much about the tax code.

Boy, you could say that again.

Those payroll taxes you speak of are more like savings accounts. Unless you pass away before retirement, you will get your Social Security money back, you will get your FICA back because FICA is just a fancy word for Social Security. You will get you medicare deductions back. And if you live to the average lifespan, you will get much more back than you put in.

Your city and state taxes provide you with services YOU use every day.

Outside of entitlements, Congress spends income tax money for everything else, and nearly half of the people in this country don't pay that tax.

Who's fault is that? The rich have a capital gains tax preference, to help create Jobs Booms, so the poor can also be Patriotic, and pay personal income taxes through a work ethic from the Age of Iron.

 

[danielpalos]

To say nothing of the fact the over half the workforce makes $20/hr or less. All of them are going to demand raises too when they go from comfortably twice the MW to just a dollar or two above it.

And the last thing America needs is a well paid workforce.

The last thing America needs are employers leaving the country because of labor costs or investing in even more automation.

they are mutually complementary.

 

[danielpalos]

No offense, but that's absolute greedy white Republican BULLSHITE! Most Workers take all the hours they can get. Y'all really do live in some bizarre greedy fantasy bubble. You seem to hate poor folks. It's pretty evil.

You must live in your mothers basement. Get out in the real world and see what's going on instead of reading lib blogs.

A few years ago one of my tenants became increasingly late with rent. I asked them to come to my apartment to discuss the problem. It was a couple with two kids, a large dog, and three cats.

He worked 40 hours a week but she stayed home "supposedly" home schooling the kids. He had no option to work overtime at his company, so I suggested that on the weekends, he watch the kids and she could get a part-time job at Walmart or McDonald's to make ends meet.

She didn't even entertain my solution. Why? Because she was getting $225.00 a month in food stamps, and any income would work against that stipend.

So I had no choice but to evict them, and later sued him for back rent which of course he didn't pay. I had to get his wages garnished for over a year.

Now they have an eviction on their record which any landlord can dig up on the computer. They lost their home and had to scramble to find a new place to live. All for what? Food stamps.

So don't tell me what goes on. I work in industry every day and get to talk to a lot of people.

Very rare. But y'all greedy Republican folks act like that represents the majority of American Workers. You're just demonizing to justify treating your fellow Americans like shite. It makes you feel better about it.

But i assure you, most working folks i've ever known, work as many hours made available to them. So stop living in your greedy fantasy bubble. These folks are good Americans just trying to get by.

I did't say a majority of American workers, I said low income workers. Big difference. 97% of our workforce do not make minimum wage, so there is no reason for them to refuse work because they are not using any social programs.

If so few are receiving Minimum Wage, you shouldn't be concerned about it being raised. Y'all greedy white Republican folks just need to escape your greedy fantasy bubble. Most American Workers aren't the 'Evil Lazy Welfare' Boogeyman you believe they are. They're actually good fellow Americans just trying to get by.

No, most of them who remain on minimum wage are either drug users who can't pass a drug test for a better job, or they are playing the system like so many do.

Most workers who start off at minimum wage and stay on the job receive increases if they are worth a crap. When I was younger, I worked plenty of minimum wage jobs because that's what minimum wage jobs are for.

When I got a little older and decided I couldn't get the things I wanted or needed working a minimum wage job, I sought better paying jobs; jobs where I leaned things; jobs where I was able to advance myself.

Structural forms of unemployment cause specialized labor to start, "entry level" in some new field.

 

[francoHFW]

There's a reason some would prefer that more limited conversation. For most Americans, payroll and state and local taxes make up the majority of their tax bill. The federal income tax, by contrast, is our most progressive tax -- it's the tax we've designed to place the heaviest burden on the rich while bypassing the poor. And we've done that, again, because the working class is already paying a fairly high tax bill through payroll and state and local taxes.

But most people don't know very much about the tax code.

Boy, you could say that again.

Those payroll taxes you speak of are more like savings accounts. Unless you pass away before retirement, you will get your Social Security money back, you will get your FICA back because FICA is just a fancy word for Social Security. You will get you medicare deductions back. And if you live to the average lifespan, you will get much more back than you put in.

Your city and state taxes provide you with services YOU use every day.

Outside of entitlements, Congress spends income tax money for everything else, and nearly half of the people in this country don't pay that tax.

Who's fault is that? The rich have a capital gains tax preference, to help create Jobs Booms, so the poor can also be Patriotic, and pay personal income taxes through a work ethic from the Age of Iron.

He continues to avoid discussing state and local taxes and fees. His sympathy for the greedy idiot rich is a fantastic example of the efficacy of brainwashing. A ridiculous bromide for everything. No matter how hard the New BS GOP makes success for the nonrich, it the nonrich's fault they fail on average!

After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

Nope, just another ignorant dupe. I saw an interesting doculentary. Seems every other country has tales of how intelligent and resourceful and wise the poor can be...Not here! LOL arghhh.

 

[danielpalos]

Refuse to pay the surcharge. I did.

"cheapskate".

 

[danielpalos]

It is Congress' fault for writing the tax laws that favor the rich. Started in the 90's and continues to this day.

IF that is true, how is this possible? What group is paying the most in taxes and how are they "favored"?

A picture for you if the above is not clear.

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means nothing; why not compare personal income taxes as a percentage of income?

 

[danielpalos]

Refuse to pay the surcharge. I did.

Leave the tip in cash but use a credit card to pay the bill and on the Total line, deduct the surcharge.

Let the smartass owner spend $.35 of his time reconciling his books.

The owner will probably make the server pay the surcharge. I ask for the manager and had it removed from the check.

Should we eliminate the exemption for that type of work? Tips are merely to insure promptness, if you have a capital need or capital desire.

 

[Papageorgio]

I didn't sign up for anything, I don't care for Trump. But he is a hell of a lot better than the slimy Clinton. Funny how it is okay for Democrats to fuck you over but you don't like it when Republicans do.

Slimy only in dupe world. When did Dems fuck us? LOL.

Seriously? You have to ask? Lol! Even Sealy will tell you the Dems have screwed us over, only a dishonest partisan hack would claim otherwise. Wake up dupe, both the Dems and the GOP love your ignorance.

Actually the dems didn't fuck the people the people fucked themselves by voting GOP or even worse, not showing up to vote.
We have the government we have because only right and left wingers are the only ones who vote every 2 years

The Dems are now the other party for the rich, it happened during the Clinton administration and in 2009 people were losing their homes at record rates and what did the democrats do? Bailout the rich and let the middle class suffer. Read the links I gave Franco, there are liberals that realize what has happened to the Democratic Party, only the dupes that can't see it.

All because the New BS GOP BLOCKED everything, stupid. Except ACA, the best thing that ever happened for poor workers.

No it isn't, the poor still pay the first $3500, they still can't afford the visits, but hey clown, it is your illusion.

 

[Papageorgio]

I didn't sign up for anything, I don't care for Trump. But he is a hell of a lot better than the slimy Clinton. Funny how it is okay for Democrats to fuck you over but you don't like it when Republicans do.

Slimy only in dupe world. When did Dems fuck us? LOL.

Seriously? You have to ask? Lol! Even Sealy will tell you the Dems have screwed us over, only a dishonest partisan hack would claim otherwise. Wake up dupe, both the Dems and the GOP love your ignorance.

Actually the dems didn't fuck the people the people fucked themselves by voting GOP or even worse, not showing up to vote.
We have the government we have because only right and left wingers are the only ones who vote every 2 years

The Dems are now the other party for the rich, it happened during the Clinton administration and in 2009 people were losing their homes at record rates and what did the democrats do? Bailout the rich and let the middle class suffer. Read the links I gave Franco, there are liberals that realize what has happened to the Democratic Party, only the dupes that can't see it.

All because the New BS GOP BLOCKED everything, stupid. Except ACA, the best thing that ever happened for poor workers.

Also noticed how you side stepped all the links proving your Democrats are the party of the rich.

 

[ricechickie]

Skull Pilot, you seem to think that getting a job is as easy as just going out and taking it. The "burger flippers" are doing that sometimes because it is what they can find at the time. And they can't put life and bills on hold to wait for a better job.

Please tell me you realize that

I realize that people think one 40 hour a week job should be all they need.

If you need 500 a week to live then it's up to you to find a way to earn 500 a week.
If you can only get 10 an hour for your skills then you work 50 hours a week in any combination of full or part time jobs needed either for an employer or for yourself

anyone of sound mind and able body is capable of supporting himself

It's cute that you think that someone may need to work 50 hours to make ends meet. Have you seen the maps that show how much it costs to rent apartments, in terms of minimum wage hours worked? Some apartment rents cost upwards of 100 minimum wage hours.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Skull Pilot, you seem to think that getting a job is as easy as just going out and taking it. The "burger flippers" are doing that sometimes because it is what they can find at the time. And they can't put life and bills on hold to wait for a better job.

Please tell me you realize that

I realize that people think one 40 hour a week job should be all they need.

If you need 500 a week to live then it's up to you to find a way to earn 500 a week.
If you can only get 10 an hour for your skills then you work 50 hours a week in any combination of full or part time jobs needed either for an employer or for yourself

anyone of sound mind and able body is capable of supporting himself

It's cute that you think that someone may need to work 50 hours to make ends meet. Have you seen the maps that show how much it costs to rent apartments, in terms of minimum wage hours worked? Some apartment rents cost upwards of 100 minimum wage hours.

That's why you go in with roommates.

 

[francoHFW]

Slimy only in dupe world. When did Dems fuck us? LOL.

Seriously? You have to ask? Lol! Even Sealy will tell you the Dems have screwed us over, only a dishonest partisan hack would claim otherwise. Wake up dupe, both the Dems and the GOP love your ignorance.

Actually the dems didn't fuck the people the people fucked themselves by voting GOP or even worse, not showing up to vote.
We have the government we have because only right and left wingers are the only ones who vote every 2 years

The Dems are now the other party for the rich, it happened during the Clinton administration and in 2009 people were losing their homes at record rates and what did the democrats do? Bailout the rich and let the middle class suffer. Read the links I gave Franco, there are liberals that realize what has happened to the Democratic Party, only the dupes that can't see it.

All because the New BS GOP BLOCKED everything, stupid. Except ACA, the best thing that ever happened for poor workers.

No it isn't, the poor still pay the first $3500, they still can't afford the visits, but hey clown, it is your illusion.

BS. Read something. Visits and tests are cheap. They pay 3500 over time, get $75k free. Better than losing everything. While cost curve bends down if GOP stops the sabotage...

 

[ricechickie]

Skull Pilot, you seem to think that getting a job is as easy as just going out and taking it. The "burger flippers" are doing that sometimes because it is what they can find at the time. And they can't put life and bills on hold to wait for a better job.

Please tell me you realize that

I realize that people think one 40 hour a week job should be all they need.

If you need 500 a week to live then it's up to you to find a way to earn 500 a week.
If you can only get 10 an hour for your skills then you work 50 hours a week in any combination of full or part time jobs needed either for an employer or for yourself

anyone of sound mind and able body is capable of supporting himself

It's cute that you think that someone may need to work 50 hours to make ends meet. Have you seen the maps that show how much it costs to rent apartments, in terms of minimum wage hours worked? Some apartment rents cost upwards of 100 minimum wage hours.

That's why you go in with roommates.

That is one feasible solution. It still doesn't address that minimum wage used to buy a lot more. But it is a way to survive now.

 

[francoHFW]

Skull Pilot, you seem to think that getting a job is as easy as just going out and taking it. The "burger flippers" are doing that sometimes because it is what they can find at the time. And they can't put life and bills on hold to wait for a better job.

Please tell me you realize that

I realize that people think one 40 hour a week job should be all they need.

If you need 500 a week to live then it's up to you to find a way to earn 500 a week.
If you can only get 10 an hour for your skills then you work 50 hours a week in any combination of full or part time jobs needed either for an employer or for yourself

anyone of sound mind and able body is capable of supporting himself

It's cute that you think that someone may need to work 50 hours to make ends meet. Have you seen the maps that show how much it costs to rent apartments, in terms of minimum wage hours worked? Some apartment rents cost upwards of 100 minimum wage hours.

That's why you go in with roommates.

It's a shytty life in dupe world. Great job! Soon we'll be a banana republic! Yay!

 

[francoHFW]

Slimy only in dupe world. When did Dems fuck us? LOL.

Seriously? You have to ask? Lol! Even Sealy will tell you the Dems have screwed us over, only a dishonest partisan hack would claim otherwise. Wake up dupe, both the Dems and the GOP love your ignorance.

Actually the dems didn't fuck the people the people fucked themselves by voting GOP or even worse, not showing up to vote.
We have the government we have because only right and left wingers are the only ones who vote every 2 years

The Dems are now the other party for the rich, it happened during the Clinton administration and in 2009 people were losing their homes at record rates and what did the democrats do? Bailout the rich and let the middle class suffer. Read the links I gave Franco, there are liberals that realize what has happened to the Democratic Party, only the dupes that can't see it.

All because the New BS GOP BLOCKED everything, stupid. Except ACA, the best thing that ever happened for poor workers.

Also noticed how you side stepped all the links proving your Democrats are the party of the rich.

The party of the GOOD rich who want to raise their own taxes and invest in America. Not
the lying cheating greedy idiot GOP rich, dupe.