Restaurants are adding labor surcharges to help offset minimum wage increases

[Skull Pilot]

There you go with the livable wage thing again. Starter wages are not for grown adults to raise families on. It's for kids (young adults). If you can't get past minimum wage we don't need them to reproduce.

You forget that large numbers of minimum wage workers are spouses taking a second job in the household to try to make ends meet.

so they are not depending on a MW wage job to "survive"

What part of making ends meet don't you understand?

I get it. You want a large permanent underclass of working poor in this country much like you would see in the Third World, or maybe Mexico, etc.

The question is why do you want that?

Which horse will run faster, the one with the carrot dangling in front of him or the one that won't leave the barn because you feed him so many carrots he doesn't even want to get up?

Tough love is what's needed for many of these people. If you give them no reason to try, they won't try.

And then there's the horse who never gets a decent bite of the carrot and falls down dead from exhaustion. But by God, that horse had self-respect!

I don't know about you but I would work 3 jobs and pick up dog shit for a penny a pile before I ever took a handout

it's called pride

get some

 

[francoHFW]

There's a reason some would prefer that more limited conversation. For most Americans, payroll and state and local taxes make up the majority of their tax bill. The federal income tax, by contrast, is our most progressive tax -- it's the tax we've designed to place the heaviest burden on the rich while bypassing the poor. And we've done that, again, because the working class is already paying a fairly high tax bill through payroll and state and local taxes.

But most people don't know very much about the tax code.

Boy, you could say that again.

Those payroll taxes you speak of are more like savings accounts. Unless you pass away before retirement, you will get your Social Security money back, you will get your FICA back because FICA is just a fancy word for Social Security. You will get you medicare deductions back. And if you live to the average lifespan, you will get much more back than you put in.

Your city and state taxes provide you with services YOU use every day.

Outside of entitlements, Congress spends income tax money for everything else, and nearly half of the people in this country don't pay that tax.

Who's fault is that? The rich have a capital gains tax preference, to help create Jobs Booms, so the poor can also be Patriotic, and pay personal income taxes through a work ethic from the Age of Iron.

Democrats would never allow it. When they promise people more goodies, they do so with the expectation it will cost somebody else. If we all had to pay for those goodies, the Democrats would not be able to offer them anymore.

WTF? So if you could get training for tech jobs paying 60K/year, that wouldn't help, right? Won't happen until Dems get actual ability to really govern...Great job, dupe. Keep blaming the hopeless poor.

 

[sealybobo]

The president, who was a salesman before he got the promotion, is taking us sales guys to Florida wed-friday. It's funny there are a lot more common sense liberals in the front offices in manufacturing. They get it.

The Republicans in the warehouse seem to half get it like you. You're not a total nut but still you fucking signed up for trump university ya dope. You and la ram fan buddy's now?

I didn't sign up for anything, I don't care for Trump. But he is a hell of a lot better than the slimy Clinton. Funny how it is okay for Democrats to fuck you over but you don't like it when Republicans do.

Slimy only in dupe world. When did Dems fuck us? LOL.

Seriously? You have to ask? Lol! Even Sealy will tell you the Dems have screwed us over, only a dishonest partisan hack would claim otherwise. Wake up dupe, both the Dems and the GOP love your ignorance.

Actually the dems didn't fuck the people the people fucked themselves by voting GOP or even worse, not showing up to vote.
We have the government we have because only right and left wingers are the only ones who vote every 2 years

The Dems are now the other party for the rich, it happened during the Clinton administration and in 2009 people were losing their homes at record rates and what did the democrats do? Bailout the rich and let the middle class suffer. Read the links I gave Franco, there are liberals that realize what has happened to the Democratic Party, only the dupes that can't see it.

That doesn't make the GOP the party of the middle class.

By the way us sales guys are in Florida for a sales conference. Going to dinner on a yacht tonight.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Oh good Christ, I know how jobs are found. "Wait" was a figure of speech. I have had times when I took the job that was available until I could find the better one. But you can't force someone to employ you. It's not just like picking low-hanging fruit

My industry is looking for 60,000 workers they can't find. Out of desperation, they are bringing in foreigners to do the jobs because Americans won't do them.

Yep, they got their SNAP's cards, their Obama phone, their HUD house in the suburbs, free medical care. Why work?

I spend my day in industrial areas, most of them are loaded with HELP WANTED signs. They can't find people to work. The ones willing to work can't pass the drug test because smoking pot is more important than earning a living.

when your only ambition is getting high and eating off the dollar menu and playing video games all you need is the dole

 

[Skull Pilot]

How long have you lived in this country? Do you even have an understanding about how our government should work?

It's not up to "we" to do better for our people, it's up to people to do better for themselves. That's the entire concept behind a free country and society. Getting government involved in all our personal decision making is what socialist, communist, and dictator societies are about. The only people that we should help out are those who cannot do for themselves---not those that don't feel like doing for themselves.

Y'all need to let go of your 'Their All Evil Lazy Welfare People' fantasy. I know it makes you feel justified in mistreating your fellow Americans, but it's not the reality. The vast majority of American Workers are hard-working folks just trying to get by. And our current Minimum Wage is an absolute embarrassment. We can and should do much better.

the vast majority of workers earn way more than MW so what are you whining about?

So what are you whining about?

I'm not

I have said over and over that increases on the low end are no big deal
All I;m talking about is the idiotic push for a 15 an hour MW

Yup, throw the slaves a whole .25 cent. That'll help. What a guy.

 

[sealybobo]

Slimy only in dupe world. When did Dems fuck us? LOL.

Seriously? You have to ask? Lol! Even Sealy will tell you the Dems have screwed us over, only a dishonest partisan hack would claim otherwise. Wake up dupe, both the Dems and the GOP love your ignorance.

Actually the dems didn't fuck the people the people fucked themselves by voting GOP or even worse, not showing up to vote.
We have the government we have because only right and left wingers are the only ones who vote every 2 years

The Dems are now the other party for the rich, it happened during the Clinton administration and in 2009 people were losing their homes at record rates and what did the democrats do? Bailout the rich and let the middle class suffer. Read the links I gave Franco, there are liberals that realize what has happened to the Democratic Party, only the dupes that can't see it.

All because the New BS GOP BLOCKED everything, stupid. Except ACA, the best thing that ever happened for poor workers.

Also noticed how you side stepped all the links proving your Democrats are the party of the rich.

Democrats understand owners and labor are important. Republicans see labor as strictly a cost. Not an asset

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I realize that people think one 40 hour a week job should be all they need.

If you need 500 a week to live then it's up to you to find a way to earn 500 a week.
If you can only get 10 an hour for your skills then you work 50 hours a week in any combination of full or part time jobs needed either for an employer or for yourself

anyone of sound mind and able body is capable of supporting himself

It's cute that you think that someone may need to work 50 hours to make ends meet. Have you seen the maps that show how much it costs to rent apartments, in terms of minimum wage hours worked? Some apartment rents cost upwards of 100 minimum wage hours.

That's why you go in with roommates.

It's a shytty life in dupe world. Great job! Soon we'll be a banana republic! Yay!

Why is that, because you get a roommate or two? How do you suppose those illegals that you leftists love so much get away with it? They squeeze ten people in a two bedroom house or apartment.

Yup, soon all the nonrich will live like illegals in GOP America. Build a wall and give the rich a tax cut. THAT will do nothing!

Dummy, what do you think contributes to lower wages? That's right, bringing in people that will work for those lower wages. If we didn't allow those people in, then industry would have no choice but to increase their offer.

But on one hand, you leftists want to open up the border so anybody can come in and take these jobs, and on the other, complain about lower wages demanding a forced minimum wage increase. Then you wonder why we call you leftists the Uninformed Voters?

Your puppet masters have you working against your own interests, and you're not smart enough to realize it.

 

[sealybobo]

Slimy only in dupe world. When did Dems fuck us? LOL.

Seriously? You have to ask? Lol! Even Sealy will tell you the Dems have screwed us over, only a dishonest partisan hack would claim otherwise. Wake up dupe, both the Dems and the GOP love your ignorance.

Actually the dems didn't fuck the people the people fucked themselves by voting GOP or even worse, not showing up to vote.
We have the government we have because only right and left wingers are the only ones who vote every 2 years

The Dems are now the other party for the rich, it happened during the Clinton administration and in 2009 people were losing their homes at record rates and what did the democrats do? Bailout the rich and let the middle class suffer. Read the links I gave Franco, there are liberals that realize what has happened to the Democratic Party, only the dupes that can't see it.

All because the New BS GOP BLOCKED everything, stupid. Except ACA, the best thing that ever happened for poor workers.

And the worst thing that ever happened to middle-class workers.

Unions brought everyone's wages up. The GOP have destroyed unions and no coincidence wages have gone down

 

[Skull Pilot]

Seriously? You have to ask? Lol! Even Sealy will tell you the Dems have screwed us over, only a dishonest partisan hack would claim otherwise. Wake up dupe, both the Dems and the GOP love your ignorance.

Actually the dems didn't fuck the people the people fucked themselves by voting GOP or even worse, not showing up to vote.
We have the government we have because only right and left wingers are the only ones who vote every 2 years

The Dems are now the other party for the rich, it happened during the Clinton administration and in 2009 people were losing their homes at record rates and what did the democrats do? Bailout the rich and let the middle class suffer. Read the links I gave Franco, there are liberals that realize what has happened to the Democratic Party, only the dupes that can't see it.

All because the New BS GOP BLOCKED everything, stupid. Except ACA, the best thing that ever happened for poor workers.

Also noticed how you side stepped all the links proving your Democrats are the party of the rich.

Democrats understand owners and labor are important. Republicans see labor as strictly a cost. Not an asset

labor is not an asset it is a commodity that people sell to employers

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There's a reason some would prefer that more limited conversation. For most Americans, payroll and state and local taxes make up the majority of their tax bill. The federal income tax, by contrast, is our most progressive tax -- it's the tax we've designed to place the heaviest burden on the rich while bypassing the poor. And we've done that, again, because the working class is already paying a fairly high tax bill through payroll and state and local taxes.

But most people don't know very much about the tax code.

Boy, you could say that again.

Those payroll taxes you speak of are more like savings accounts. Unless you pass away before retirement, you will get your Social Security money back, you will get your FICA back because FICA is just a fancy word for Social Security. You will get you medicare deductions back. And if you live to the average lifespan, you will get much more back than you put in.

Your city and state taxes provide you with services YOU use every day.

Outside of entitlements, Congress spends income tax money for everything else, and nearly half of the people in this country don't pay that tax.

Who's fault is that? The rich have a capital gains tax preference, to help create Jobs Booms, so the poor can also be Patriotic, and pay personal income taxes through a work ethic from the Age of Iron.

Democrats would never allow it. When they promise people more goodies, they do so with the expectation it will cost somebody else. If we all had to pay for those goodies, the Democrats would not be able to offer them anymore.

WTF? So if you could get training for tech jobs paying 60K/year, that wouldn't help, right? Won't happen until Dems get actual ability to really govern...Great job, dupe. Keep blaming the hopeless poor.

Why do you need other peoples money to get training at something? Go get training ourself and pay for it.

 

[Skull Pilot]

There's a reason some would prefer that more limited conversation. For most Americans, payroll and state and local taxes make up the majority of their tax bill. The federal income tax, by contrast, is our most progressive tax -- it's the tax we've designed to place the heaviest burden on the rich while bypassing the poor. And we've done that, again, because the working class is already paying a fairly high tax bill through payroll and state and local taxes.

But most people don't know very much about the tax code.

Boy, you could say that again.

Those payroll taxes you speak of are more like savings accounts. Unless you pass away before retirement, you will get your Social Security money back, you will get your FICA back because FICA is just a fancy word for Social Security. You will get you medicare deductions back. And if you live to the average lifespan, you will get much more back than you put in.

Your city and state taxes provide you with services YOU use every day.

Outside of entitlements, Congress spends income tax money for everything else, and nearly half of the people in this country don't pay that tax.

Who's fault is that? The rich have a capital gains tax preference, to help create Jobs Booms, so the poor can also be Patriotic, and pay personal income taxes through a work ethic from the Age of Iron.

Democrats would never allow it. When they promise people more goodies, they do so with the expectation it will cost somebody else. If we all had to pay for those goodies, the Democrats would not be able to offer them anymore.

WTF? So if you could get training for tech jobs paying 60K/year, that wouldn't help, right? Won't happen until Dems get actual ability to really govern...Great job, dupe. Keep blaming the hopeless poor.

Why do you need other peoples money to get training at something? Go get training ourself and pay for it.

hey wait a minute you heartless mother fudgsicle you can't ask a person to spend his own money to learn shit

 

[francoHFW]

There's a reason some would prefer that more limited conversation. For most Americans, payroll and state and local taxes make up the majority of their tax bill. The federal income tax, by contrast, is our most progressive tax -- it's the tax we've designed to place the heaviest burden on the rich while bypassing the poor. And we've done that, again, because the working class is already paying a fairly high tax bill through payroll and state and local taxes.

But most people don't know very much about the tax code.

Boy, you could say that again.

Those payroll taxes you speak of are more like savings accounts. Unless you pass away before retirement, you will get your Social Security money back, you will get your FICA back because FICA is just a fancy word for Social Security. You will get you medicare deductions back. And if you live to the average lifespan, you will get much more back than you put in.

Your city and state taxes provide you with services YOU use every day.

Outside of entitlements, Congress spends income tax money for everything else, and nearly half of the people in this country don't pay that tax.

Who's fault is that? The rich have a capital gains tax preference, to help create Jobs Booms, so the poor can also be Patriotic, and pay personal income taxes through a work ethic from the Age of Iron.

Democrats would never allow it. When they promise people more goodies, they do so with the expectation it will cost somebody else. If we all had to pay for those goodies, the Democrats would not be able to offer them anymore.

WTF? So if you could get training for tech jobs paying 60K/year, that wouldn't help, right? Won't happen until Dems get actual ability to really govern...Great job, dupe. Keep blaming the hopeless poor.

Why do you need other peoples money to get training at something? Go get training ourself and pay for it.

I'm retired. Why don't you? It's soooo easy!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You forget that large numbers of minimum wage workers are spouses taking a second job in the household to try to make ends meet.

so they are not depending on a MW wage job to "survive"

What part of making ends meet don't you understand?

I get it. You want a large permanent underclass of working poor in this country much like you would see in the Third World, or maybe Mexico, etc.

The question is why do you want that?

Which horse will run faster, the one with the carrot dangling in front of him or the one that won't leave the barn because you feed him so many carrots he doesn't even want to get up?

Tough love is what's needed for many of these people. If you give them no reason to try, they won't try.

And then there's the horse who never gets a decent bite of the carrot and falls down dead from exhaustion. But by God, that horse had self-respect!

I don't know about you but I would work 3 jobs and pick up dog shit for a penny a pile before I ever took a handout

it's called pride

get some

People used to do that all the time years ago. I remember many times when I was younger having two jobs, working a lot of overtime, or both. Younger people today feel that's beneath them. If they can't make it on 40 hours, somebody in government better do something about it.

 

[hadit]

Seriously? You have to ask? Lol! Even Sealy will tell you the Dems have screwed us over, only a dishonest partisan hack would claim otherwise. Wake up dupe, both the Dems and the GOP love your ignorance.

Actually the dems didn't fuck the people the people fucked themselves by voting GOP or even worse, not showing up to vote.
We have the government we have because only right and left wingers are the only ones who vote every 2 years

The Dems are now the other party for the rich, it happened during the Clinton administration and in 2009 people were losing their homes at record rates and what did the democrats do? Bailout the rich and let the middle class suffer. Read the links I gave Franco, there are liberals that realize what has happened to the Democratic Party, only the dupes that can't see it.

All because the New BS GOP BLOCKED everything, stupid. Except ACA, the best thing that ever happened for poor workers.

Also noticed how you side stepped all the links proving your Democrats are the party of the rich.

The party of the GOOD rich who want to raise their own taxes and invest in America. Not
the lying cheating greedy idiot GOP rich, dupe.

Democrats the GOOD kind of rich? That's rich.

 

[ricechickie]

Oh good Christ, I know how jobs are found. "Wait" was a figure of speech. I have had times when I took the job that was available until I could find the better one. But you can't force someone to employ you. It's not just like picking low-hanging fruit

My industry is looking for 60,000 workers they can't find. Out of desperation, they are bringing in foreigners to do the jobs because Americans won't do them.

Yep, they got their SNAP's cards, their Obama phone, their HUD house in the suburbs, free medical care. Why work?

I spend my day in industrial areas, most of them are loaded with HELP WANTED signs. They can't find people to work. The ones willing to work can't pass the drug test because smoking pot is more important than earning a living.

If you can't find labor then follow the rules of free market and offer more pay.

 

[francoHFW]

Boy, you could say that again.

Those payroll taxes you speak of are more like savings accounts. Unless you pass away before retirement, you will get your Social Security money back, you will get your FICA back because FICA is just a fancy word for Social Security. You will get you medicare deductions back. And if you live to the average lifespan, you will get much more back than you put in.

Your city and state taxes provide you with services YOU use every day.

Outside of entitlements, Congress spends income tax money for everything else, and nearly half of the people in this country don't pay that tax.

Who's fault is that? The rich have a capital gains tax preference, to help create Jobs Booms, so the poor can also be Patriotic, and pay personal income taxes through a work ethic from the Age of Iron.

Democrats would never allow it. When they promise people more goodies, they do so with the expectation it will cost somebody else. If we all had to pay for those goodies, the Democrats would not be able to offer them anymore.

WTF? So if you could get training for tech jobs paying 60K/year, that wouldn't help, right? Won't happen until Dems get actual ability to really govern...Great job, dupe. Keep blaming the hopeless poor.

Why do you need other peoples money to get training at something? Go get training ourself and pay for it.

hey wait a minute you heartless mother fudgsicle you can't ask a person to spend his own money to learn shit

THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY DUHHHHHHH. They're crap min wage or UE. Congrats on your good luck!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Boy, you could say that again.

Those payroll taxes you speak of are more like savings accounts. Unless you pass away before retirement, you will get your Social Security money back, you will get your FICA back because FICA is just a fancy word for Social Security. You will get you medicare deductions back. And if you live to the average lifespan, you will get much more back than you put in.

Your city and state taxes provide you with services YOU use every day.

Outside of entitlements, Congress spends income tax money for everything else, and nearly half of the people in this country don't pay that tax.

Who's fault is that? The rich have a capital gains tax preference, to help create Jobs Booms, so the poor can also be Patriotic, and pay personal income taxes through a work ethic from the Age of Iron.

Democrats would never allow it. When they promise people more goodies, they do so with the expectation it will cost somebody else. If we all had to pay for those goodies, the Democrats would not be able to offer them anymore.

WTF? So if you could get training for tech jobs paying 60K/year, that wouldn't help, right? Won't happen until Dems get actual ability to really govern...Great job, dupe. Keep blaming the hopeless poor.

Why do you need other peoples money to get training at something? Go get training ourself and pay for it.

I'm retired. Why don't you? It's soooo easy!

I have a job thank you.

 

[Dschrute3]

You always have those that say no, it is the way it is.

which contradicts the idiot who says people will work as much as they can

Most say yes. You just choose to believe that most say no. It's part of your warped 'Their All Evil Lazy Welfare People' fantasy. Y'all greedy Republicans gotta let that fantasy go. It's hateful delusional thinking.

Most do not say yes
I know because I have experience in the matter and you don't

and please quote me where I used the word lazy anywhere in this thread

That's all you Asshole

They just don't like you. And gee, i wonder why? Most do say yes. Most Workers grab any extra hours they can get. And most of those who do say no, have valid reasons.

You're just choosing to fixate on the very few who are lazy. Again, that's part of your 'Their All Evil Lazy Welfare People' fantasy. You live in the fantasy to justify mistreating fellow Americans. I bet you consider yourself a 'Good Christian' too.

You are wrong of course.

I used to be a shift manager for a company in my late 20s and I used to make overtime calls all the time I got far more nos than yeses

if you were right I would have always found someone to work OT on my very first call

Well in my experience, most Workers i've known gladly accepted more hours. I can only speak for myself on it though. My experience is the complete opposite of yours. I think you just enjoy seeing that 'Evil Lazy Welfare' Boogeyman at every turn. It helps you justify being greedy and hateful.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Who's fault is that? The rich have a capital gains tax preference, to help create Jobs Booms, so the poor can also be Patriotic, and pay personal income taxes through a work ethic from the Age of Iron.

Democrats would never allow it. When they promise people more goodies, they do so with the expectation it will cost somebody else. If we all had to pay for those goodies, the Democrats would not be able to offer them anymore.

WTF? So if you could get training for tech jobs paying 60K/year, that wouldn't help, right? Won't happen until Dems get actual ability to really govern...Great job, dupe. Keep blaming the hopeless poor.

Why do you need other peoples money to get training at something? Go get training ourself and pay for it.

hey wait a minute you heartless mother fudgsicle you can't ask a person to spend his own money to learn shit

THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY DUHHHHHHH. They're crap min wage or UE. Congrats on your good luck!

Funny how I managed to live in an apartment alone. keep a car on the road, eat 3 meals a day and take classes all on shit paying jobs

 

[francoHFW]

Actually the dems didn't fuck the people the people fucked themselves by voting GOP or even worse, not showing up to vote.
We have the government we have because only right and left wingers are the only ones who vote every 2 years

The Dems are now the other party for the rich, it happened during the Clinton administration and in 2009 people were losing their homes at record rates and what did the democrats do? Bailout the rich and let the middle class suffer. Read the links I gave Franco, there are liberals that realize what has happened to the Democratic Party, only the dupes that can't see it.

All because the New BS GOP BLOCKED everything, stupid. Except ACA, the best thing that ever happened for poor workers.

Also noticed how you side stepped all the links proving your Democrats are the party of the rich.

The party of the GOOD rich who want to raise their own taxes and invest in America. Not
the lying cheating greedy idiot GOP rich, dupe.

Democrats the GOOD kind of rich? That's rich.

They want to pay more, dupe. It's called REAL patriotism, not your GOP style flag pins and bs...