Right Wing Death Squad: Active duty Marine plotted to bomb DNC, murder blacks

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Of course they should, who said the shouldn't?

It will push a lot of people off welfare

But I’m ok with that

 

[IM2]

That's not happening and your post is a fine example of white victimhood.

You can’t target a black student for admission to a university for the sake of diversity without harming a white student who was denied admission

How do you know the black student wasn't more qualified than the white student or do you think being white automatically makes you right.

Standardized test scores.....black children are trapped in the worst public schools because the democrat party controls the teachers unions.......so their test scores are the worst of all the race groups in the U.S.......

Folks who are anti-black, white supremacists and racist, what party do they belong to? The Republican Party. Now these folks are the ones who love to lecture black folks about what Democrats are doing to us, but when you ask them what are Republicans doing all you hear are crickets. Since the 70s we see that black folks prosper better under Democrat presidents than we do Republican presidents. That is just facts.

There were more black folks employed during Trump's presidency than in the past 50 years.

Thats only because President Obama raised the rate for him.

If that was the case, he was smart enough to keep the trend going and go higher than Obama ever did, correct? IOW, hardly a racist because if he really was, he would have tried to set back progress, not boost it.

He had nothing to do with it until he fucked up on Covid which you know had the opposite affect and caused more unemployment. He was always begging for Black people to like him so he wasn't going to do anything to set that back until he was in his second term.

Oh, brother, have you ever drunk the Kool-Aid. Let's face reality. We could have 30 straight years of Republican led employment gains for black workers and you'd STILL reach as far back as you had to and find a democrat to credit. The reality is, no matter what TRUMP! was given, he kept it going and added to it, and that included black progress. As for his second term, which meeting were you lurking in, because that's not what anyone else heard.

Bullshit. Black people have always done worse under repubs the last 5 decades or so. Drumpf didnt keep anything going. He just didnt fuck it up until Covid hit.

So things were worse for black Americans under TRUMP! than under Obama? Are you really going with that?

In the last 30yrs statistics show that black folks do better under Democrat presidents than we do under Republican presidents. Economically, educationally, etc., why is that?

Then why were blacks doing better under Trump than Obama? And why are all dem controlled areas for blacks cesspools?

Black folks didn't do better under Trump, that is a lie that is repeated by lying Trump Humpers hoping black folks will fall for it. Tell me some great Republican controlled areas for black folks that are thriving.

Black unemployment was better under TRUMP! than Obama. By what objective measure are you claiming they weren't better off?

Black unemployment went from 7.4% to as low as 5.2% under Trump. A record low. That was only possible because Obama lowered black unemployment from its post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. A record low passed from one administration to the next. The average black unemployment rate passed to an incoming administration is 11.6%. Had Obama passed Trump 11.6% black unemployment, it wouldn't have gone as low as 5.2%.

Irrelevant to the point that it was better under TRUMP! than under Obama.

LOLOL

Uh, no, it's not irrelevant. Black unemployment had been falling for many years and continued under Trump.

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It is when the assertion is that black Americans didn't do as well under TRUMP! as under Obama. This is one objective measure by which they did better.

Uh, no, they didn't if your comparison is how the did under Obama vs under Trump.

Under Obama, the black unemployment rate went from a post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. That's a 9.4 point drop or a 56% improvement. During that period of time, 43,671 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

Under Trump, the black unemployment rate went from 7.4% to his lowest, 5.2%. That's a 2.2 point drop or a 30% improvement. During that period of time, 33,323 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

You're measuring IMPROVEMENT, which is a valid measure, but is not the same as were they overall better off or not. So we're both right because we're talking about two different things.

They are 2 different ways of looking at it but measuring improvement is what impacts them the most. Case in point, had the unemployment rate under Trump only dropped from 7.4% to 7.3%, the difference would be negligible but you would still be saying they did better under Trump than Obama.

And I would be correct, but that's irrelevant to this case, because the difference is not that trivial.

Is an overweight person better off while they are losing 50 lbs or after they've lost 50 lbs then dropped another 20 lbs? To put it another way, would I, as a worker, be better off while the UE rate is dropping from 16.8% to 7.4%, or after it's dropped to 5.2%? I know you want to avoid giving TRUMP! any credit for anything if at all possible, but you have to admit that black unemployment was better under him than under Obama.

Great analogy -- it exposes why you're wrong. In your analogy, you point out someone is better off losing 70 pounds than 50 pounds. But "better off" wasn't what you said about Trump. You said blacks did better under Trump than they did under Obama and that's patently false. Far more blacks got jobs under Obama than under Trump. The black unemployment rate dropped far more under Obama than under Trump. Blacks did better under Obama than under Trump. Not to mention, Trump was handed an economy with an expanding job market. At least in the beginning of his one and only term, he was surfing on the Obama wave.

And you have to admit TRUMP! made choices and took steps to continue the trend, not to reverse it. You also ignored my second question, which is, are people better off while the UE rate is dropping, or when it is at its lowest?

You're basically trying to make the case that people are better of while more are unemployed in a vain attempt to avoid giving credit to TRUMP! for ANYTHING. How odd, and how useless to continue as long as you hold that bizarre belief.

I didn't say Trump gets no credit. I said at the beginning of his term he was still riding the Obama wave.

They're best off when it's at its lowest, but if you're comparing the performance of two presidents, the one who did better matters. Case in point ... black unemployment peaked at 16.8%. Obama handed that to Trump when it was 7.4%. Had that rate dropped 30% (as it did for Trump) and not 56%, Obama would have handed Trump a black unemployment rate at about 11.8%. Trump would never have gotten down to 5.2%. So both presidents get credit for their share. But Obama's share was bigger. Blacks did better under Obama than they did under Trump.

"I didn't say Trump gets no credit. I said at the beginning of his term he was still riding the Obama wave."

Drumpf is in the negative as far as credit. He was a fat negative. He owes Black people 5 years and counting for the atmosphere he created and for fucking up the handling of the covid response.

TRUMP! deserves credit for sustaining and lengthening the improvements in black unemployment. There is no getting around that fact. He made things better.

No he doesn't. And no he didn't. Stop being white trying to tell blacks how things are for black people.

 

[IM2]

Abled bodied people get welfare. The able bodied CEOS get way more welfare than anyone else. But they race bait the poor and stupid whites into blaming POC.

 

[IM2]

That's not happening and your post is a fine example of white victimhood.

You can’t target a black student for admission to a university for the sake of diversity without harming a white student who was denied admission

How do you know the black student wasn't more qualified than the white student or do you think being white automatically makes you right.

Standardized test scores.....black children are trapped in the worst public schools because the democrat party controls the teachers unions.......so their test scores are the worst of all the race groups in the U.S.......

Folks who are anti-black, white supremacists and racist, what party do they belong to? The Republican Party. Now these folks are the ones who love to lecture black folks about what Democrats are doing to us, but when you ask them what are Republicans doing all you hear are crickets. Since the 70s we see that black folks prosper better under Democrat presidents than we do Republican presidents. That is just facts.

There were more black folks employed during Trump's presidency than in the past 50 years.

Thats only because President Obama raised the rate for him.

If that was the case, he was smart enough to keep the trend going and go higher than Obama ever did, correct? IOW, hardly a racist because if he really was, he would have tried to set back progress, not boost it.

He had nothing to do with it until he fucked up on Covid which you know had the opposite affect and caused more unemployment. He was always begging for Black people to like him so he wasn't going to do anything to set that back until he was in his second term.

Oh, brother, have you ever drunk the Kool-Aid. Let's face reality. We could have 30 straight years of Republican led employment gains for black workers and you'd STILL reach as far back as you had to and find a democrat to credit. The reality is, no matter what TRUMP! was given, he kept it going and added to it, and that included black progress. As for his second term, which meeting were you lurking in, because that's not what anyone else heard.

Bullshit. Black people have always done worse under repubs the last 5 decades or so. Drumpf didnt keep anything going. He just didnt fuck it up until Covid hit.

So things were worse for black Americans under TRUMP! than under Obama? Are you really going with that?

In the last 30yrs statistics show that black folks do better under Democrat presidents than we do under Republican presidents. Economically, educationally, etc., why is that?

Then why were blacks doing better under Trump than Obama? And why are all dem controlled areas for blacks cesspools?

Black folks didn't do better under Trump, that is a lie that is repeated by lying Trump Humpers hoping black folks will fall for it. Tell me some great Republican controlled areas for black folks that are thriving.

Black unemployment was better under TRUMP! than Obama. By what objective measure are you claiming they weren't better off?

Black unemployment went from 7.4% to as low as 5.2% under Trump. A record low. That was only possible because Obama lowered black unemployment from its post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. A record low passed from one administration to the next. The average black unemployment rate passed to an incoming administration is 11.6%. Had Obama passed Trump 11.6% black unemployment, it wouldn't have gone as low as 5.2%.

Irrelevant to the point that it was better under TRUMP! than under Obama.

LOLOL

Uh, no, it's not irrelevant. Black unemployment had been falling for many years and continued under Trump.

​

It is when the assertion is that black Americans didn't do as well under TRUMP! as under Obama. This is one objective measure by which they did better.

Uh, no, they didn't if your comparison is how the did under Obama vs under Trump.

Under Obama, the black unemployment rate went from a post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. That's a 9.4 point drop or a 56% improvement. During that period of time, 43,671 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

Under Trump, the black unemployment rate went from 7.4% to his lowest, 5.2%. That's a 2.2 point drop or a 30% improvement. During that period of time, 33,323 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

You're measuring IMPROVEMENT, which is a valid measure, but is not the same as were they overall better off or not. So we're both right because we're talking about two different things.

They are 2 different ways of looking at it but measuring improvement is what impacts them the most. Case in point, had the unemployment rate under Trump only dropped from 7.4% to 7.3%, the difference would be negligible but you would still be saying they did better under Trump than Obama.

And I would be correct, but that's irrelevant to this case, because the difference is not that trivial.

Is an overweight person better off while they are losing 50 lbs or after they've lost 50 lbs then dropped another 20 lbs? To put it another way, would I, as a worker, be better off while the UE rate is dropping from 16.8% to 7.4%, or after it's dropped to 5.2%? I know you want to avoid giving TRUMP! any credit for anything if at all possible, but you have to admit that black unemployment was better under him than under Obama.

Great analogy -- it exposes why you're wrong. In your analogy, you point out someone is better off losing 70 pounds than 50 pounds. But "better off" wasn't what you said about Trump. You said blacks did better under Trump than they did under Obama and that's patently false. Far more blacks got jobs under Obama than under Trump. The black unemployment rate dropped far more under Obama than under Trump. Blacks did better under Obama than under Trump. Not to mention, Trump was handed an economy with an expanding job market. At least in the beginning of his one and only term, he was surfing on the Obama wave.

And you have to admit TRUMP! made choices and took steps to continue the trend, not to reverse it. You also ignored my second question, which is, are people better off while the UE rate is dropping, or when it is at its lowest?

You're basically trying to make the case that people are better of while more are unemployed in a vain attempt to avoid giving credit to TRUMP! for ANYTHING. How odd, and how useless to continue as long as you hold that bizarre belief.

I didn't say Trump gets no credit. I said at the beginning of his term he was still riding the Obama wave.

They're best off when it's at its lowest, but if you're comparing the performance of two presidents, the one who did better matters. Case in point ... black unemployment peaked at 16.8%. Obama handed that to Trump when it was 7.4%. Had that rate dropped 30% (as it did for Trump) and not 56%, Obama would have handed Trump a black unemployment rate at about 11.8%. Trump would never have gotten down to 5.2%. So both presidents get credit for their share. But Obama's share was bigger. Blacks did better under Obama than they did under Trump.

"I didn't say Trump gets no credit. I said at the beginning of his term he was still riding the Obama wave."

Drumpf is in the negative as far as credit. He was a fat negative. He owes Black people 5 years and counting for the atmosphere he created and for fucking up the handling of the covid response.

TRUMP! deserves credit for sustaining and lengthening the improvements in black unemployment. There is no getting around that fact. He made things better.

Dump doesnt deserve shit but a prison sentence. He didnt do a fucking thing to make my life or any other Black person I know lives better. He made them worse.

Economic Opportunity


Social Justice


Educational Equality


Health Improvement

Opportunity Zones, yea opportunity for white owned companies to come into the Hood and make more money.

The majority of opportunity zones were in rural white areas.

 

[IM2]

That's not happening and your post is a fine example of white victimhood.

You can’t target a black student for admission to a university for the sake of diversity without harming a white student who was denied admission

How do you know the black student wasn't more qualified than the white student or do you think being white automatically makes you right.

Standardized test scores.....black children are trapped in the worst public schools because the democrat party controls the teachers unions.......so their test scores are the worst of all the race groups in the U.S.......

Folks who are anti-black, white supremacists and racist, what party do they belong to? The Republican Party. Now these folks are the ones who love to lecture black folks about what Democrats are doing to us, but when you ask them what are Republicans doing all you hear are crickets. Since the 70s we see that black folks prosper better under Democrat presidents than we do Republican presidents. That is just facts.

There were more black folks employed during Trump's presidency than in the past 50 years.

Thats only because President Obama raised the rate for him.

If that was the case, he was smart enough to keep the trend going and go higher than Obama ever did, correct? IOW, hardly a racist because if he really was, he would have tried to set back progress, not boost it.

He had nothing to do with it until he fucked up on Covid which you know had the opposite affect and caused more unemployment. He was always begging for Black people to like him so he wasn't going to do anything to set that back until he was in his second term.

Oh, brother, have you ever drunk the Kool-Aid. Let's face reality. We could have 30 straight years of Republican led employment gains for black workers and you'd STILL reach as far back as you had to and find a democrat to credit. The reality is, no matter what TRUMP! was given, he kept it going and added to it, and that included black progress. As for his second term, which meeting were you lurking in, because that's not what anyone else heard.

Bullshit. Black people have always done worse under repubs the last 5 decades or so. Drumpf didnt keep anything going. He just didnt fuck it up until Covid hit.

So things were worse for black Americans under TRUMP! than under Obama? Are you really going with that?

In the last 30yrs statistics show that black folks do better under Democrat presidents than we do under Republican presidents. Economically, educationally, etc., why is that?

Then why were blacks doing better under Trump than Obama? And why are all dem controlled areas for blacks cesspools?

Black folks didn't do better under Trump, that is a lie that is repeated by lying Trump Humpers hoping black folks will fall for it. Tell me some great Republican controlled areas for black folks that are thriving.

Black unemployment was better under TRUMP! than Obama. By what objective measure are you claiming they weren't better off?

Black unemployment went from 7.4% to as low as 5.2% under Trump. A record low. That was only possible because Obama lowered black unemployment from its post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. A record low passed from one administration to the next. The average black unemployment rate passed to an incoming administration is 11.6%. Had Obama passed Trump 11.6% black unemployment, it wouldn't have gone as low as 5.2%.

Irrelevant to the point that it was better under TRUMP! than under Obama.

LOLOL

Uh, no, it's not irrelevant. Black unemployment had been falling for many years and continued under Trump.

​

It is when the assertion is that black Americans didn't do as well under TRUMP! as under Obama. This is one objective measure by which they did better.

Uh, no, they didn't if your comparison is how the did under Obama vs under Trump.

Under Obama, the black unemployment rate went from a post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. That's a 9.4 point drop or a 56% improvement. During that period of time, 43,671 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

Under Trump, the black unemployment rate went from 7.4% to his lowest, 5.2%. That's a 2.2 point drop or a 30% improvement. During that period of time, 33,323 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

You're measuring IMPROVEMENT, which is a valid measure, but is not the same as were they overall better off or not. So we're both right because we're talking about two different things.

They are 2 different ways of looking at it but measuring improvement is what impacts them the most. Case in point, had the unemployment rate under Trump only dropped from 7.4% to 7.3%, the difference would be negligible but you would still be saying they did better under Trump than Obama.

And I would be correct, but that's irrelevant to this case, because the difference is not that trivial.

Is an overweight person better off while they are losing 50 lbs or after they've lost 50 lbs then dropped another 20 lbs? To put it another way, would I, as a worker, be better off while the UE rate is dropping from 16.8% to 7.4%, or after it's dropped to 5.2%? I know you want to avoid giving TRUMP! any credit for anything if at all possible, but you have to admit that black unemployment was better under him than under Obama.

Great analogy -- it exposes why you're wrong. In your analogy, you point out someone is better off losing 70 pounds than 50 pounds. But "better off" wasn't what you said about Trump. You said blacks did better under Trump than they did under Obama and that's patently false. Far more blacks got jobs under Obama than under Trump. The black unemployment rate dropped far more under Obama than under Trump. Blacks did better under Obama than under Trump. Not to mention, Trump was handed an economy with an expanding job market. At least in the beginning of his one and only term, he was surfing on the Obama wave.

And you have to admit TRUMP! made choices and took steps to continue the trend, not to reverse it. You also ignored my second question, which is, are people better off while the UE rate is dropping, or when it is at its lowest?

You're basically trying to make the case that people are better of while more are unemployed in a vain attempt to avoid giving credit to TRUMP! for ANYTHING. How odd, and how useless to continue as long as you hold that bizarre belief.

I didn't say Trump gets no credit. I said at the beginning of his term he was still riding the Obama wave.

They're best off when it's at its lowest, but if you're comparing the performance of two presidents, the one who did better matters. Case in point ... black unemployment peaked at 16.8%. Obama handed that to Trump when it was 7.4%. Had that rate dropped 30% (as it did for Trump) and not 56%, Obama would have handed Trump a black unemployment rate at about 11.8%. Trump would never have gotten down to 5.2%. So both presidents get credit for their share. But Obama's share was bigger. Blacks did better under Obama than they did under Trump.

"I didn't say Trump gets no credit. I said at the beginning of his term he was still riding the Obama wave."

Drumpf is in the negative as far as credit. He was a fat negative. He owes Black people 5 years and counting for the atmosphere he created and for fucking up the handling of the covid response.

TRUMP! deserves credit for sustaining and lengthening the improvements in black unemployment. There is no getting around that fact. He made things better.

Dump doesnt deserve shit but a prison sentence. He didnt do a fucking thing to make my life or any other Black person I know lives better. He made them worse.

Well, except for building a stronger than ever economy and record low black unemployment.

Trump didn't do that.

 

[IM2]

That's not happening and your post is a fine example of white victimhood.

You can’t target a black student for admission to a university for the sake of diversity without harming a white student who was denied admission

How do you know the black student wasn't more qualified than the white student or do you think being white automatically makes you right.

Standardized test scores.....black children are trapped in the worst public schools because the democrat party controls the teachers unions.......so their test scores are the worst of all the race groups in the U.S.......

Folks who are anti-black, white supremacists and racist, what party do they belong to? The Republican Party. Now these folks are the ones who love to lecture black folks about what Democrats are doing to us, but when you ask them what are Republicans doing all you hear are crickets. Since the 70s we see that black folks prosper better under Democrat presidents than we do Republican presidents. That is just facts.

There were more black folks employed during Trump's presidency than in the past 50 years.

Thats only because President Obama raised the rate for him.

If that was the case, he was smart enough to keep the trend going and go higher than Obama ever did, correct? IOW, hardly a racist because if he really was, he would have tried to set back progress, not boost it.

He had nothing to do with it until he fucked up on Covid which you know had the opposite affect and caused more unemployment. He was always begging for Black people to like him so he wasn't going to do anything to set that back until he was in his second term.

Oh, brother, have you ever drunk the Kool-Aid. Let's face reality. We could have 30 straight years of Republican led employment gains for black workers and you'd STILL reach as far back as you had to and find a democrat to credit. The reality is, no matter what TRUMP! was given, he kept it going and added to it, and that included black progress. As for his second term, which meeting were you lurking in, because that's not what anyone else heard.

Bullshit. Black people have always done worse under repubs the last 5 decades or so. Drumpf didnt keep anything going. He just didnt fuck it up until Covid hit.

So things were worse for black Americans under TRUMP! than under Obama? Are you really going with that?

In the last 30yrs statistics show that black folks do better under Democrat presidents than we do under Republican presidents. Economically, educationally, etc., why is that?

Then why were blacks doing better under Trump than Obama? And why are all dem controlled areas for blacks cesspools?

Black folks didn't do better under Trump, that is a lie that is repeated by lying Trump Humpers hoping black folks will fall for it. Tell me some great Republican controlled areas for black folks that are thriving.

Black unemployment was better under TRUMP! than Obama. By what objective measure are you claiming they weren't better off?

Black unemployment went from 7.4% to as low as 5.2% under Trump. A record low. That was only possible because Obama lowered black unemployment from its post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. A record low passed from one administration to the next. The average black unemployment rate passed to an incoming administration is 11.6%. Had Obama passed Trump 11.6% black unemployment, it wouldn't have gone as low as 5.2%.

Irrelevant to the point that it was better under TRUMP! than under Obama.

LOLOL

Uh, no, it's not irrelevant. Black unemployment had been falling for many years and continued under Trump.

​

It is when the assertion is that black Americans didn't do as well under TRUMP! as under Obama. This is one objective measure by which they did better.

Uh, no, they didn't if your comparison is how the did under Obama vs under Trump.

Under Obama, the black unemployment rate went from a post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. That's a 9.4 point drop or a 56% improvement. During that period of time, 43,671 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

Under Trump, the black unemployment rate went from 7.4% to his lowest, 5.2%. That's a 2.2 point drop or a 30% improvement. During that period of time, 33,323 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

You're measuring IMPROVEMENT, which is a valid measure, but is not the same as were they overall better off or not. So we're both right because we're talking about two different things.

They are 2 different ways of looking at it but measuring improvement is what impacts them the most. Case in point, had the unemployment rate under Trump only dropped from 7.4% to 7.3%, the difference would be negligible but you would still be saying they did better under Trump than Obama.

And I would be correct, but that's irrelevant to this case, because the difference is not that trivial.

Is an overweight person better off while they are losing 50 lbs or after they've lost 50 lbs then dropped another 20 lbs? To put it another way, would I, as a worker, be better off while the UE rate is dropping from 16.8% to 7.4%, or after it's dropped to 5.2%? I know you want to avoid giving TRUMP! any credit for anything if at all possible, but you have to admit that black unemployment was better under him than under Obama.

Great analogy -- it exposes why you're wrong. In your analogy, you point out someone is better off losing 70 pounds than 50 pounds. But "better off" wasn't what you said about Trump. You said blacks did better under Trump than they did under Obama and that's patently false. Far more blacks got jobs under Obama than under Trump. The black unemployment rate dropped far more under Obama than under Trump. Blacks did better under Obama than under Trump. Not to mention, Trump was handed an economy with an expanding job market. At least in the beginning of his one and only term, he was surfing on the Obama wave.

And you have to admit TRUMP! made choices and took steps to continue the trend, not to reverse it. You also ignored my second question, which is, are people better off while the UE rate is dropping, or when it is at its lowest?

You're basically trying to make the case that people are better of while more are unemployed in a vain attempt to avoid giving credit to TRUMP! for ANYTHING. How odd, and how useless to continue as long as you hold that bizarre belief.

I didn't say Trump gets no credit. I said at the beginning of his term he was still riding the Obama wave.

They're best off when it's at its lowest, but if you're comparing the performance of two presidents, the one who did better matters. Case in point ... black unemployment peaked at 16.8%. Obama handed that to Trump when it was 7.4%. Had that rate dropped 30% (as it did for Trump) and not 56%, Obama would have handed Trump a black unemployment rate at about 11.8%. Trump would never have gotten down to 5.2%. So both presidents get credit for their share. But Obama's share was bigger. Blacks did better under Obama than they did under Trump.

I see what you're driving at, and don't disagree that Obama did a lot. Of course, he had two terms to get more things done and a recovery he rode. I am, however, pointing out that TRUMP! made things even better, and I still maintain that people "do better" when more are working than when less are working, bottom line. Tell you what, let's look ahead. If Quid Pro adopts policies and does things that stifle the economy and black UE goes up, are you going to be consistent and say blacks did better under TRUMP!, or are you going to continue finding excuses to say they did better under Quid Pro?

trump got one term because he did a bad job. trump didn't make things way better. Not if growth had started before trump took office. You can say he maintained that growth, but he did not make it, therefore he could not have made things better. Things were gong to get better no matter who won if they let things continue. We would have been better off under Clinton because she would have had a informal top advisor who had experience growing the economy.

He continued the growth, which is the important point. He was what the economy needed at the time, and we were blessed that he sent Hillary into retirement. He made things better.

Since Bill Clinton set records relative to the economy, I seriously doubt if we were blessed by Hillary not being president. Trump did not make things better and no matter how much you want to pretend he did, be very glad he didn't get a second term. All economic data shows that Obama outperformed trump. And Obama entered with our country facing a depression, losing millions of jobs. Trump was handed a growing economy.

And promptly kept it growing.

No, he didn't. Obama out performed trump and that was before the pandemic.

 

[IM2]

That's not happening and your post is a fine example of white victimhood.

You can’t target a black student for admission to a university for the sake of diversity without harming a white student who was denied admission

How do you know the black student wasn't more qualified than the white student or do you think being white automatically makes you right.

Standardized test scores.....black children are trapped in the worst public schools because the democrat party controls the teachers unions.......so their test scores are the worst of all the race groups in the U.S.......

Folks who are anti-black, white supremacists and racist, what party do they belong to? The Republican Party. Now these folks are the ones who love to lecture black folks about what Democrats are doing to us, but when you ask them what are Republicans doing all you hear are crickets. Since the 70s we see that black folks prosper better under Democrat presidents than we do Republican presidents. That is just facts.

There were more black folks employed during Trump's presidency than in the past 50 years.

Thats only because President Obama raised the rate for him.

If that was the case, he was smart enough to keep the trend going and go higher than Obama ever did, correct? IOW, hardly a racist because if he really was, he would have tried to set back progress, not boost it.

He had nothing to do with it until he fucked up on Covid which you know had the opposite affect and caused more unemployment. He was always begging for Black people to like him so he wasn't going to do anything to set that back until he was in his second term.

Oh, brother, have you ever drunk the Kool-Aid. Let's face reality. We could have 30 straight years of Republican led employment gains for black workers and you'd STILL reach as far back as you had to and find a democrat to credit. The reality is, no matter what TRUMP! was given, he kept it going and added to it, and that included black progress. As for his second term, which meeting were you lurking in, because that's not what anyone else heard.

Bullshit. Black people have always done worse under repubs the last 5 decades or so. Drumpf didnt keep anything going. He just didnt fuck it up until Covid hit.

So things were worse for black Americans under TRUMP! than under Obama? Are you really going with that?

In the last 30yrs statistics show that black folks do better under Democrat presidents than we do under Republican presidents. Economically, educationally, etc., why is that?

Then why were blacks doing better under Trump than Obama? And why are all dem controlled areas for blacks cesspools?

Black folks didn't do better under Trump, that is a lie that is repeated by lying Trump Humpers hoping black folks will fall for it. Tell me some great Republican controlled areas for black folks that are thriving.

Black unemployment was better under TRUMP! than Obama. By what objective measure are you claiming they weren't better off?

Black unemployment went from 7.4% to as low as 5.2% under Trump. A record low. That was only possible because Obama lowered black unemployment from its post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. A record low passed from one administration to the next. The average black unemployment rate passed to an incoming administration is 11.6%. Had Obama passed Trump 11.6% black unemployment, it wouldn't have gone as low as 5.2%.

Irrelevant to the point that it was better under TRUMP! than under Obama.

LOLOL

Uh, no, it's not irrelevant. Black unemployment had been falling for many years and continued under Trump.

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It is when the assertion is that black Americans didn't do as well under TRUMP! as under Obama. This is one objective measure by which they did better.

Uh, no, they didn't if your comparison is how the did under Obama vs under Trump.

Under Obama, the black unemployment rate went from a post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. That's a 9.4 point drop or a 56% improvement. During that period of time, 43,671 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

Under Trump, the black unemployment rate went from 7.4% to his lowest, 5.2%. That's a 2.2 point drop or a 30% improvement. During that period of time, 33,323 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

You're measuring IMPROVEMENT, which is a valid measure, but is not the same as were they overall better off or not. So we're both right because we're talking about two different things.

They are 2 different ways of looking at it but measuring improvement is what impacts them the most. Case in point, had the unemployment rate under Trump only dropped from 7.4% to 7.3%, the difference would be negligible but you would still be saying they did better under Trump than Obama.

And I would be correct, but that's irrelevant to this case, because the difference is not that trivial.

Is an overweight person better off while they are losing 50 lbs or after they've lost 50 lbs then dropped another 20 lbs? To put it another way, would I, as a worker, be better off while the UE rate is dropping from 16.8% to 7.4%, or after it's dropped to 5.2%? I know you want to avoid giving TRUMP! any credit for anything if at all possible, but you have to admit that black unemployment was better under him than under Obama.

Great analogy -- it exposes why you're wrong. In your analogy, you point out someone is better off losing 70 pounds than 50 pounds. But "better off" wasn't what you said about Trump. You said blacks did better under Trump than they did under Obama and that's patently false. Far more blacks got jobs under Obama than under Trump. The black unemployment rate dropped far more under Obama than under Trump. Blacks did better under Obama than under Trump. Not to mention, Trump was handed an economy with an expanding job market. At least in the beginning of his one and only term, he was surfing on the Obama wave.

And you have to admit TRUMP! made choices and took steps to continue the trend, not to reverse it. You also ignored my second question, which is, are people better off while the UE rate is dropping, or when it is at its lowest?

You're basically trying to make the case that people are better of while more are unemployed in a vain attempt to avoid giving credit to TRUMP! for ANYTHING. How odd, and how useless to continue as long as you hold that bizarre belief.

I didn't say Trump gets no credit. I said at the beginning of his term he was still riding the Obama wave.

They're best off when it's at its lowest, but if you're comparing the performance of two presidents, the one who did better matters. Case in point ... black unemployment peaked at 16.8%. Obama handed that to Trump when it was 7.4%. Had that rate dropped 30% (as it did for Trump) and not 56%, Obama would have handed Trump a black unemployment rate at about 11.8%. Trump would never have gotten down to 5.2%. So both presidents get credit for their share. But Obama's share was bigger. Blacks did better under Obama than they did under Trump.

I see what you're driving at, and don't disagree that Obama did a lot. Of course, he had two terms to get more things done and a recovery he rode. I am, however, pointing out that TRUMP! made things even better, and I still maintain that people "do better" when more are working than when less are working, bottom line. Tell you what, let's look ahead. If Quid Pro adopts policies and does things that stifle the economy and black UE goes up, are you going to be consistent and say blacks did better under TRUMP!, or are you going to continue finding excuses to say they did better under Quid Pro?

trump got one term because he did a bad job. trump didn't make things way better. Not if growth had started before trump took office. You can say he maintained that growth, but he did not make it, therefore he could not have made things better. Things were gong to get better no matter who won if they let things continue. We would have been better off under Clinton because she would have had a informal top advisor who had experience growing the economy.

He continued the growth, which is the important point. He was what the economy needed at the time, and we were blessed that he sent Hillary into retirement. He made things better.

We could have Bush Jr as POTUS and he would have done a better job. Obama handed Dump a top of the 9th grand slam and he struck the fuck out.

We did have Bush, Jr as POTUS and he did a good job. TRUMP! simply made things better.

LOL

What the fuck?? What good did Bush do? In terms of employment, he was the third worst since Hoover...

Hoover
Trump
Bush Jr.
Bush Sr.

Trump was an excellent president---the best we have had in generations...

Carter, Biden, and Obama are the worst presidents ever. Daddy Bush being down there followed closely with his son.

Saying a president was excellent is subjective and is merely opinion. Counting jobs is a quantifiable metric. The list I posted was in order of jobs gained or lost. Hoover had the worst record in that regard. Followed by Trump and then the two Bush's. You may not like it but that's your problem.

Trump will go down as the worst ever.

 

[IM2]

That's not happening and your post is a fine example of white victimhood.

You can’t target a black student for admission to a university for the sake of diversity without harming a white student who was denied admission

How do you know the black student wasn't more qualified than the white student or do you think being white automatically makes you right.

Standardized test scores.....black children are trapped in the worst public schools because the democrat party controls the teachers unions.......so their test scores are the worst of all the race groups in the U.S.......

Folks who are anti-black, white supremacists and racist, what party do they belong to? The Republican Party. Now these folks are the ones who love to lecture black folks about what Democrats are doing to us, but when you ask them what are Republicans doing all you hear are crickets. Since the 70s we see that black folks prosper better under Democrat presidents than we do Republican presidents. That is just facts.

There were more black folks employed during Trump's presidency than in the past 50 years.

Thats only because President Obama raised the rate for him.

If that was the case, he was smart enough to keep the trend going and go higher than Obama ever did, correct? IOW, hardly a racist because if he really was, he would have tried to set back progress, not boost it.

He had nothing to do with it until he fucked up on Covid which you know had the opposite affect and caused more unemployment. He was always begging for Black people to like him so he wasn't going to do anything to set that back until he was in his second term.

Oh, brother, have you ever drunk the Kool-Aid. Let's face reality. We could have 30 straight years of Republican led employment gains for black workers and you'd STILL reach as far back as you had to and find a democrat to credit. The reality is, no matter what TRUMP! was given, he kept it going and added to it, and that included black progress. As for his second term, which meeting were you lurking in, because that's not what anyone else heard.

Bullshit. Black people have always done worse under repubs the last 5 decades or so. Drumpf didnt keep anything going. He just didnt fuck it up until Covid hit.

So things were worse for black Americans under TRUMP! than under Obama? Are you really going with that?

In the last 30yrs statistics show that black folks do better under Democrat presidents than we do under Republican presidents. Economically, educationally, etc., why is that?

Then why were blacks doing better under Trump than Obama? And why are all dem controlled areas for blacks cesspools?

Black folks didn't do better under Trump, that is a lie that is repeated by lying Trump Humpers hoping black folks will fall for it. Tell me some great Republican controlled areas for black folks that are thriving.

Black unemployment was better under TRUMP! than Obama. By what objective measure are you claiming they weren't better off?

Black unemployment went from 7.4% to as low as 5.2% under Trump. A record low. That was only possible because Obama lowered black unemployment from its post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. A record low passed from one administration to the next. The average black unemployment rate passed to an incoming administration is 11.6%. Had Obama passed Trump 11.6% black unemployment, it wouldn't have gone as low as 5.2%.

Irrelevant to the point that it was better under TRUMP! than under Obama.

LOLOL

Uh, no, it's not irrelevant. Black unemployment had been falling for many years and continued under Trump.

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It is when the assertion is that black Americans didn't do as well under TRUMP! as under Obama. This is one objective measure by which they did better.

Uh, no, they didn't if your comparison is how the did under Obama vs under Trump.

Under Obama, the black unemployment rate went from a post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. That's a 9.4 point drop or a 56% improvement. During that period of time, 43,671 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

Under Trump, the black unemployment rate went from 7.4% to his lowest, 5.2%. That's a 2.2 point drop or a 30% improvement. During that period of time, 33,323 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

You're measuring IMPROVEMENT, which is a valid measure, but is not the same as were they overall better off or not. So we're both right because we're talking about two different things.

They are 2 different ways of looking at it but measuring improvement is what impacts them the most. Case in point, had the unemployment rate under Trump only dropped from 7.4% to 7.3%, the difference would be negligible but you would still be saying they did better under Trump than Obama.

And I would be correct, but that's irrelevant to this case, because the difference is not that trivial.

Is an overweight person better off while they are losing 50 lbs or after they've lost 50 lbs then dropped another 20 lbs? To put it another way, would I, as a worker, be better off while the UE rate is dropping from 16.8% to 7.4%, or after it's dropped to 5.2%? I know you want to avoid giving TRUMP! any credit for anything if at all possible, but you have to admit that black unemployment was better under him than under Obama.

Great analogy -- it exposes why you're wrong. In your analogy, you point out someone is better off losing 70 pounds than 50 pounds. But "better off" wasn't what you said about Trump. You said blacks did better under Trump than they did under Obama and that's patently false. Far more blacks got jobs under Obama than under Trump. The black unemployment rate dropped far more under Obama than under Trump. Blacks did better under Obama than under Trump. Not to mention, Trump was handed an economy with an expanding job market. At least in the beginning of his one and only term, he was surfing on the Obama wave.

And you have to admit TRUMP! made choices and took steps to continue the trend, not to reverse it. You also ignored my second question, which is, are people better off while the UE rate is dropping, or when it is at its lowest?

You're basically trying to make the case that people are better of while more are unemployed in a vain attempt to avoid giving credit to TRUMP! for ANYTHING. How odd, and how useless to continue as long as you hold that bizarre belief.

I didn't say Trump gets no credit. I said at the beginning of his term he was still riding the Obama wave.

They're best off when it's at its lowest, but if you're comparing the performance of two presidents, the one who did better matters. Case in point ... black unemployment peaked at 16.8%. Obama handed that to Trump when it was 7.4%. Had that rate dropped 30% (as it did for Trump) and not 56%, Obama would have handed Trump a black unemployment rate at about 11.8%. Trump would never have gotten down to 5.2%. So both presidents get credit for their share. But Obama's share was bigger. Blacks did better under Obama than they did under Trump.

I see what you're driving at, and don't disagree that Obama did a lot. Of course, he had two terms to get more things done and a recovery he rode. I am, however, pointing out that TRUMP! made things even better, and I still maintain that people "do better" when more are working than when less are working, bottom line. Tell you what, let's look ahead. If Quid Pro adopts policies and does things that stifle the economy and black UE goes up, are you going to be consistent and say blacks did better under TRUMP!, or are you going to continue finding excuses to say they did better under Quid Pro?

trump got one term because he did a bad job. trump didn't make things way better. Not if growth had started before trump took office. You can say he maintained that growth, but he did not make it, therefore he could not have made things better. Things were gong to get better no matter who won if they let things continue. We would have been better off under Clinton because she would have had a informal top advisor who had experience growing the economy.

He continued the growth, which is the important point. He was what the economy needed at the time, and we were blessed that he sent Hillary into retirement. He made things better.

We could have Bush Jr as POTUS and he would have done a better job. Obama handed Dump a top of the 9th grand slam and he struck the fuck out.

We did have Bush, Jr as POTUS and he did a good job. TRUMP! simply made things better.

Bush left us facing a depression.

Nah, just a recession, and we had the slowest ever recovery from it too. Now who was in charge then?

And yet...

GDP:
Obama: 1.9%
Trump: 1.2%

Jobs:
Obama: +1,444,625 per year
Trump: -719,000 per year

Trump is the only president to not have a sing year of GDP growth exceed 3%.

And that, dear friends, is how extreme partisanship works. Create a narrative, demonize or praise the favored one to the hilt, and at all costs either give credit where it's not due or deny it where it is due. Of course, Bush, TRUMP! and Obama were all presidents, and all worked imperfectly with the hand they were dealt. Pretending that they, and they alone, had all the control and power over everything is foolish, because Congress and the SC have to go along or nothing gets done. Sometimes that's a good thing, and sometimes a president just gets to ride a wave that he didn't create and if he's smart, he'll stay out of the way and let it take him to good places, ala Bubba Clinton and the dot com boom. The economy cycles naturally and if a president has the fortune to take office immediately after a down cycle or crash, ala Obama, he gets to ride the recovery wave and look good. Of course, he can slow the recovery down (remember to summer of recover that wasn't?) or speed it up, but the guy before him gets the blame for the crash so everything he escapes all blame and gets all credit. The worst thing a president can suffer is a crash toward the end of his first term, ala TRUMP!, because there's no time for the recovery to start and he gets blame for the crash. The guy after him will of course get credit for the recovery unless he screws it up, as we expect Quid Pro to do.

So, to the point. Obama made some good choices and some bad ones, and so did TRUMP!.

Trumps bad choices killed over 1/2 million people. You have created a narrative and it's false.

The thing about Obamas presidency is if republicans would not have opposed everything, the economy would have even grown more.

 

[hadit]

That's not happening and your post is a fine example of white victimhood.

You can’t target a black student for admission to a university for the sake of diversity without harming a white student who was denied admission

How do you know the black student wasn't more qualified than the white student or do you think being white automatically makes you right.

Standardized test scores.....black children are trapped in the worst public schools because the democrat party controls the teachers unions.......so their test scores are the worst of all the race groups in the U.S.......

Folks who are anti-black, white supremacists and racist, what party do they belong to? The Republican Party. Now these folks are the ones who love to lecture black folks about what Democrats are doing to us, but when you ask them what are Republicans doing all you hear are crickets. Since the 70s we see that black folks prosper better under Democrat presidents than we do Republican presidents. That is just facts.

There were more black folks employed during Trump's presidency than in the past 50 years.

Thats only because President Obama raised the rate for him.

If that was the case, he was smart enough to keep the trend going and go higher than Obama ever did, correct? IOW, hardly a racist because if he really was, he would have tried to set back progress, not boost it.

He had nothing to do with it until he fucked up on Covid which you know had the opposite affect and caused more unemployment. He was always begging for Black people to like him so he wasn't going to do anything to set that back until he was in his second term.

Oh, brother, have you ever drunk the Kool-Aid. Let's face reality. We could have 30 straight years of Republican led employment gains for black workers and you'd STILL reach as far back as you had to and find a democrat to credit. The reality is, no matter what TRUMP! was given, he kept it going and added to it, and that included black progress. As for his second term, which meeting were you lurking in, because that's not what anyone else heard.

Bullshit. Black people have always done worse under repubs the last 5 decades or so. Drumpf didnt keep anything going. He just didnt fuck it up until Covid hit.

So things were worse for black Americans under TRUMP! than under Obama? Are you really going with that?

In the last 30yrs statistics show that black folks do better under Democrat presidents than we do under Republican presidents. Economically, educationally, etc., why is that?

Then why were blacks doing better under Trump than Obama? And why are all dem controlled areas for blacks cesspools?

Black folks didn't do better under Trump, that is a lie that is repeated by lying Trump Humpers hoping black folks will fall for it. Tell me some great Republican controlled areas for black folks that are thriving.

Black unemployment was better under TRUMP! than Obama. By what objective measure are you claiming they weren't better off?

Black unemployment went from 7.4% to as low as 5.2% under Trump. A record low. That was only possible because Obama lowered black unemployment from its post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. A record low passed from one administration to the next. The average black unemployment rate passed to an incoming administration is 11.6%. Had Obama passed Trump 11.6% black unemployment, it wouldn't have gone as low as 5.2%.

Irrelevant to the point that it was better under TRUMP! than under Obama.

LOLOL

Uh, no, it's not irrelevant. Black unemployment had been falling for many years and continued under Trump.

​

It is when the assertion is that black Americans didn't do as well under TRUMP! as under Obama. This is one objective measure by which they did better.

Uh, no, they didn't if your comparison is how the did under Obama vs under Trump.

Under Obama, the black unemployment rate went from a post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. That's a 9.4 point drop or a 56% improvement. During that period of time, 43,671 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

Under Trump, the black unemployment rate went from 7.4% to his lowest, 5.2%. That's a 2.2 point drop or a 30% improvement. During that period of time, 33,323 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

You're measuring IMPROVEMENT, which is a valid measure, but is not the same as were they overall better off or not. So we're both right because we're talking about two different things.

They are 2 different ways of looking at it but measuring improvement is what impacts them the most. Case in point, had the unemployment rate under Trump only dropped from 7.4% to 7.3%, the difference would be negligible but you would still be saying they did better under Trump than Obama.

And I would be correct, but that's irrelevant to this case, because the difference is not that trivial.

Is an overweight person better off while they are losing 50 lbs or after they've lost 50 lbs then dropped another 20 lbs? To put it another way, would I, as a worker, be better off while the UE rate is dropping from 16.8% to 7.4%, or after it's dropped to 5.2%? I know you want to avoid giving TRUMP! any credit for anything if at all possible, but you have to admit that black unemployment was better under him than under Obama.

Great analogy -- it exposes why you're wrong. In your analogy, you point out someone is better off losing 70 pounds than 50 pounds. But "better off" wasn't what you said about Trump. You said blacks did better under Trump than they did under Obama and that's patently false. Far more blacks got jobs under Obama than under Trump. The black unemployment rate dropped far more under Obama than under Trump. Blacks did better under Obama than under Trump. Not to mention, Trump was handed an economy with an expanding job market. At least in the beginning of his one and only term, he was surfing on the Obama wave.

And you have to admit TRUMP! made choices and took steps to continue the trend, not to reverse it. You also ignored my second question, which is, are people better off while the UE rate is dropping, or when it is at its lowest?

You're basically trying to make the case that people are better of while more are unemployed in a vain attempt to avoid giving credit to TRUMP! for ANYTHING. How odd, and how useless to continue as long as you hold that bizarre belief.

I didn't say Trump gets no credit. I said at the beginning of his term he was still riding the Obama wave.

They're best off when it's at its lowest, but if you're comparing the performance of two presidents, the one who did better matters. Case in point ... black unemployment peaked at 16.8%. Obama handed that to Trump when it was 7.4%. Had that rate dropped 30% (as it did for Trump) and not 56%, Obama would have handed Trump a black unemployment rate at about 11.8%. Trump would never have gotten down to 5.2%. So both presidents get credit for their share. But Obama's share was bigger. Blacks did better under Obama than they did under Trump.

I see what you're driving at, and don't disagree that Obama did a lot. Of course, he had two terms to get more things done and a recovery he rode. I am, however, pointing out that TRUMP! made things even better, and I still maintain that people "do better" when more are working than when less are working, bottom line. Tell you what, let's look ahead. If Quid Pro adopts policies and does things that stifle the economy and black UE goes up, are you going to be consistent and say blacks did better under TRUMP!, or are you going to continue finding excuses to say they did better under Quid Pro?

trump got one term because he did a bad job. trump didn't make things way better. Not if growth had started before trump took office. You can say he maintained that growth, but he did not make it, therefore he could not have made things better. Things were gong to get better no matter who won if they let things continue. We would have been better off under Clinton because she would have had a informal top advisor who had experience growing the economy.

He continued the growth, which is the important point. He was what the economy needed at the time, and we were blessed that he sent Hillary into retirement. He made things better.

We could have Bush Jr as POTUS and he would have done a better job. Obama handed Dump a top of the 9th grand slam and he struck the fuck out.

We did have Bush, Jr as POTUS and he did a good job. TRUMP! simply made things better.

Bush left us facing a depression.

Nah, just a recession, and we had the slowest ever recovery from it too. Now who was in charge then?

And yet...

GDP:
Obama: 1.9%
Trump: 1.2%

Jobs:
Obama: +1,444,625 per year
Trump: -719,000 per year

Trump is the only president to not have a sing year of GDP growth exceed 3%.

And that, dear friends, is how extreme partisanship works. Create a narrative, demonize or praise the favored one to the hilt, and at all costs either give credit where it's not due or deny it where it is due. Of course, Bush, TRUMP! and Obama were all presidents, and all worked imperfectly with the hand they were dealt. Pretending that they, and they alone, had all the control and power over everything is foolish, because Congress and the SC have to go along or nothing gets done. Sometimes that's a good thing, and sometimes a president just gets to ride a wave that he didn't create and if he's smart, he'll stay out of the way and let it take him to good places, ala Bubba Clinton and the dot com boom. The economy cycles naturally and if a president has the fortune to take office immediately after a down cycle or crash, ala Obama, he gets to ride the recovery wave and look good. Of course, he can slow the recovery down (remember to summer of recover that wasn't?) or speed it up, but the guy before him gets the blame for the crash so everything he escapes all blame and gets all credit. The worst thing a president can suffer is a crash toward the end of his first term, ala TRUMP!, because there's no time for the recovery to start and he gets blame for the crash. The guy after him will of course get credit for the recovery unless he screws it up, as we expect Quid Pro to do.

So, to the point. Obama made some good choices and some bad ones, and so did TRUMP!.

I don't disagree with that. But it's odd you mention that given you were the one talking about Obama whereas I compared Obama with Trump to show despite the slow recovery, it was still far better than the disaster we faced under Trump. And for better or worse, the president does get credit or blame for the economy. What I disagree with was your claim that we had the best economy under Trump as that is measurably untrue.

If you notice, I didn't say best ever. I said, and meant, better than ever. IOW, he continued the growth that he inherited.

 

[hadit]

That's not happening and your post is a fine example of white victimhood.

You can’t target a black student for admission to a university for the sake of diversity without harming a white student who was denied admission

How do you know the black student wasn't more qualified than the white student or do you think being white automatically makes you right.

Standardized test scores.....black children are trapped in the worst public schools because the democrat party controls the teachers unions.......so their test scores are the worst of all the race groups in the U.S.......

Folks who are anti-black, white supremacists and racist, what party do they belong to? The Republican Party. Now these folks are the ones who love to lecture black folks about what Democrats are doing to us, but when you ask them what are Republicans doing all you hear are crickets. Since the 70s we see that black folks prosper better under Democrat presidents than we do Republican presidents. That is just facts.

There were more black folks employed during Trump's presidency than in the past 50 years.

Thats only because President Obama raised the rate for him.

If that was the case, he was smart enough to keep the trend going and go higher than Obama ever did, correct? IOW, hardly a racist because if he really was, he would have tried to set back progress, not boost it.

He had nothing to do with it until he fucked up on Covid which you know had the opposite affect and caused more unemployment. He was always begging for Black people to like him so he wasn't going to do anything to set that back until he was in his second term.

Oh, brother, have you ever drunk the Kool-Aid. Let's face reality. We could have 30 straight years of Republican led employment gains for black workers and you'd STILL reach as far back as you had to and find a democrat to credit. The reality is, no matter what TRUMP! was given, he kept it going and added to it, and that included black progress. As for his second term, which meeting were you lurking in, because that's not what anyone else heard.

Bullshit. Black people have always done worse under repubs the last 5 decades or so. Drumpf didnt keep anything going. He just didnt fuck it up until Covid hit.

So things were worse for black Americans under TRUMP! than under Obama? Are you really going with that?

In the last 30yrs statistics show that black folks do better under Democrat presidents than we do under Republican presidents. Economically, educationally, etc., why is that?

Then why were blacks doing better under Trump than Obama? And why are all dem controlled areas for blacks cesspools?

Black folks didn't do better under Trump, that is a lie that is repeated by lying Trump Humpers hoping black folks will fall for it. Tell me some great Republican controlled areas for black folks that are thriving.

Black unemployment was better under TRUMP! than Obama. By what objective measure are you claiming they weren't better off?

Black unemployment went from 7.4% to as low as 5.2% under Trump. A record low. That was only possible because Obama lowered black unemployment from its post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. A record low passed from one administration to the next. The average black unemployment rate passed to an incoming administration is 11.6%. Had Obama passed Trump 11.6% black unemployment, it wouldn't have gone as low as 5.2%.

Irrelevant to the point that it was better under TRUMP! than under Obama.

LOLOL

Uh, no, it's not irrelevant. Black unemployment had been falling for many years and continued under Trump.

​

It is when the assertion is that black Americans didn't do as well under TRUMP! as under Obama. This is one objective measure by which they did better.

Uh, no, they didn't if your comparison is how the did under Obama vs under Trump.

Under Obama, the black unemployment rate went from a post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. That's a 9.4 point drop or a 56% improvement. During that period of time, 43,671 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

Under Trump, the black unemployment rate went from 7.4% to his lowest, 5.2%. That's a 2.2 point drop or a 30% improvement. During that period of time, 33,323 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

You're measuring IMPROVEMENT, which is a valid measure, but is not the same as were they overall better off or not. So we're both right because we're talking about two different things.

They are 2 different ways of looking at it but measuring improvement is what impacts them the most. Case in point, had the unemployment rate under Trump only dropped from 7.4% to 7.3%, the difference would be negligible but you would still be saying they did better under Trump than Obama.

And I would be correct, but that's irrelevant to this case, because the difference is not that trivial.

Is an overweight person better off while they are losing 50 lbs or after they've lost 50 lbs then dropped another 20 lbs? To put it another way, would I, as a worker, be better off while the UE rate is dropping from 16.8% to 7.4%, or after it's dropped to 5.2%? I know you want to avoid giving TRUMP! any credit for anything if at all possible, but you have to admit that black unemployment was better under him than under Obama.

Great analogy -- it exposes why you're wrong. In your analogy, you point out someone is better off losing 70 pounds than 50 pounds. But "better off" wasn't what you said about Trump. You said blacks did better under Trump than they did under Obama and that's patently false. Far more blacks got jobs under Obama than under Trump. The black unemployment rate dropped far more under Obama than under Trump. Blacks did better under Obama than under Trump. Not to mention, Trump was handed an economy with an expanding job market. At least in the beginning of his one and only term, he was surfing on the Obama wave.

And you have to admit TRUMP! made choices and took steps to continue the trend, not to reverse it. You also ignored my second question, which is, are people better off while the UE rate is dropping, or when it is at its lowest?

You're basically trying to make the case that people are better of while more are unemployed in a vain attempt to avoid giving credit to TRUMP! for ANYTHING. How odd, and how useless to continue as long as you hold that bizarre belief.

I didn't say Trump gets no credit. I said at the beginning of his term he was still riding the Obama wave.

They're best off when it's at its lowest, but if you're comparing the performance of two presidents, the one who did better matters. Case in point ... black unemployment peaked at 16.8%. Obama handed that to Trump when it was 7.4%. Had that rate dropped 30% (as it did for Trump) and not 56%, Obama would have handed Trump a black unemployment rate at about 11.8%. Trump would never have gotten down to 5.2%. So both presidents get credit for their share. But Obama's share was bigger. Blacks did better under Obama than they did under Trump.

"I didn't say Trump gets no credit. I said at the beginning of his term he was still riding the Obama wave."

Drumpf is in the negative as far as credit. He was a fat negative. He owes Black people 5 years and counting for the atmosphere he created and for fucking up the handling of the covid response.

TRUMP! deserves credit for sustaining and lengthening the improvements in black unemployment. There is no getting around that fact. He made things better.

No he doesn't. And no he didn't. Stop being white trying to tell blacks how things are for black people.

You can't argue against the unemployment numbers. You can say subjectively you don't FEEL like things were better, but you can't say, for example, that black unemployment was worse under TRUMP! than under Obama, and I believe with a great deal of certainty that, had it been worse under TRUMP!, you would not hesitate to trumpet it far and wide, so your protests bear little credibility.

This is blind partisanship at play here. You hate TRUMP! and don't want to give him any credit for anything that went on under his watch, I get that.

 

[Faun]

That's not happening and your post is a fine example of white victimhood.

You can’t target a black student for admission to a university for the sake of diversity without harming a white student who was denied admission

How do you know the black student wasn't more qualified than the white student or do you think being white automatically makes you right.

Standardized test scores.....black children are trapped in the worst public schools because the democrat party controls the teachers unions.......so their test scores are the worst of all the race groups in the U.S.......

Folks who are anti-black, white supremacists and racist, what party do they belong to? The Republican Party. Now these folks are the ones who love to lecture black folks about what Democrats are doing to us, but when you ask them what are Republicans doing all you hear are crickets. Since the 70s we see that black folks prosper better under Democrat presidents than we do Republican presidents. That is just facts.

There were more black folks employed during Trump's presidency than in the past 50 years.

Thats only because President Obama raised the rate for him.

If that was the case, he was smart enough to keep the trend going and go higher than Obama ever did, correct? IOW, hardly a racist because if he really was, he would have tried to set back progress, not boost it.

He had nothing to do with it until he fucked up on Covid which you know had the opposite affect and caused more unemployment. He was always begging for Black people to like him so he wasn't going to do anything to set that back until he was in his second term.

Oh, brother, have you ever drunk the Kool-Aid. Let's face reality. We could have 30 straight years of Republican led employment gains for black workers and you'd STILL reach as far back as you had to and find a democrat to credit. The reality is, no matter what TRUMP! was given, he kept it going and added to it, and that included black progress. As for his second term, which meeting were you lurking in, because that's not what anyone else heard.

Bullshit. Black people have always done worse under repubs the last 5 decades or so. Drumpf didnt keep anything going. He just didnt fuck it up until Covid hit.

So things were worse for black Americans under TRUMP! than under Obama? Are you really going with that?

In the last 30yrs statistics show that black folks do better under Democrat presidents than we do under Republican presidents. Economically, educationally, etc., why is that?

Then why were blacks doing better under Trump than Obama? And why are all dem controlled areas for blacks cesspools?

Black folks didn't do better under Trump, that is a lie that is repeated by lying Trump Humpers hoping black folks will fall for it. Tell me some great Republican controlled areas for black folks that are thriving.

Black unemployment was better under TRUMP! than Obama. By what objective measure are you claiming they weren't better off?

Black unemployment went from 7.4% to as low as 5.2% under Trump. A record low. That was only possible because Obama lowered black unemployment from its post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. A record low passed from one administration to the next. The average black unemployment rate passed to an incoming administration is 11.6%. Had Obama passed Trump 11.6% black unemployment, it wouldn't have gone as low as 5.2%.

Irrelevant to the point that it was better under TRUMP! than under Obama.

LOLOL

Uh, no, it's not irrelevant. Black unemployment had been falling for many years and continued under Trump.

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It is when the assertion is that black Americans didn't do as well under TRUMP! as under Obama. This is one objective measure by which they did better.

Uh, no, they didn't if your comparison is how the did under Obama vs under Trump.

Under Obama, the black unemployment rate went from a post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. That's a 9.4 point drop or a 56% improvement. During that period of time, 43,671 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

Under Trump, the black unemployment rate went from 7.4% to his lowest, 5.2%. That's a 2.2 point drop or a 30% improvement. During that period of time, 33,323 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

You're measuring IMPROVEMENT, which is a valid measure, but is not the same as were they overall better off or not. So we're both right because we're talking about two different things.

They are 2 different ways of looking at it but measuring improvement is what impacts them the most. Case in point, had the unemployment rate under Trump only dropped from 7.4% to 7.3%, the difference would be negligible but you would still be saying they did better under Trump than Obama.

And I would be correct, but that's irrelevant to this case, because the difference is not that trivial.

Is an overweight person better off while they are losing 50 lbs or after they've lost 50 lbs then dropped another 20 lbs? To put it another way, would I, as a worker, be better off while the UE rate is dropping from 16.8% to 7.4%, or after it's dropped to 5.2%? I know you want to avoid giving TRUMP! any credit for anything if at all possible, but you have to admit that black unemployment was better under him than under Obama.

Great analogy -- it exposes why you're wrong. In your analogy, you point out someone is better off losing 70 pounds than 50 pounds. But "better off" wasn't what you said about Trump. You said blacks did better under Trump than they did under Obama and that's patently false. Far more blacks got jobs under Obama than under Trump. The black unemployment rate dropped far more under Obama than under Trump. Blacks did better under Obama than under Trump. Not to mention, Trump was handed an economy with an expanding job market. At least in the beginning of his one and only term, he was surfing on the Obama wave.

And you have to admit TRUMP! made choices and took steps to continue the trend, not to reverse it. You also ignored my second question, which is, are people better off while the UE rate is dropping, or when it is at its lowest?

You're basically trying to make the case that people are better of while more are unemployed in a vain attempt to avoid giving credit to TRUMP! for ANYTHING. How odd, and how useless to continue as long as you hold that bizarre belief.

I didn't say Trump gets no credit. I said at the beginning of his term he was still riding the Obama wave.

They're best off when it's at its lowest, but if you're comparing the performance of two presidents, the one who did better matters. Case in point ... black unemployment peaked at 16.8%. Obama handed that to Trump when it was 7.4%. Had that rate dropped 30% (as it did for Trump) and not 56%, Obama would have handed Trump a black unemployment rate at about 11.8%. Trump would never have gotten down to 5.2%. So both presidents get credit for their share. But Obama's share was bigger. Blacks did better under Obama than they did under Trump.

I see what you're driving at, and don't disagree that Obama did a lot. Of course, he had two terms to get more things done and a recovery he rode. I am, however, pointing out that TRUMP! made things even better, and I still maintain that people "do better" when more are working than when less are working, bottom line. Tell you what, let's look ahead. If Quid Pro adopts policies and does things that stifle the economy and black UE goes up, are you going to be consistent and say blacks did better under TRUMP!, or are you going to continue finding excuses to say they did better under Quid Pro?

trump got one term because he did a bad job. trump didn't make things way better. Not if growth had started before trump took office. You can say he maintained that growth, but he did not make it, therefore he could not have made things better. Things were gong to get better no matter who won if they let things continue. We would have been better off under Clinton because she would have had a informal top advisor who had experience growing the economy.

He continued the growth, which is the important point. He was what the economy needed at the time, and we were blessed that he sent Hillary into retirement. He made things better.

We could have Bush Jr as POTUS and he would have done a better job. Obama handed Dump a top of the 9th grand slam and he struck the fuck out.

We did have Bush, Jr as POTUS and he did a good job. TRUMP! simply made things better.

LOL

What the fuck?? What good did Bush do? In terms of employment, he was the third worst since Hoover...

Hoover
Trump
Bush Jr.
Bush Sr.

Trump was an excellent president---the best we have had in generations...

Carter, Biden, and Obama are the worst presidents ever. Daddy Bush being down there followed closely with his son.

Saying a president was excellent is subjective and is merely opinion. Counting jobs is a quantifiable metric. The list I posted was in order of jobs gained or lost. Hoover had the worst record in that regard. Followed by Trump and then the two Bush's. You may not like it but that's your problem.

Trump will go down as the worst ever.

I don't know about the worst ever, but yeah, he's pretty far down that list.

 

[hadit]

That's not happening and your post is a fine example of white victimhood.

You can’t target a black student for admission to a university for the sake of diversity without harming a white student who was denied admission

How do you know the black student wasn't more qualified than the white student or do you think being white automatically makes you right.

Standardized test scores.....black children are trapped in the worst public schools because the democrat party controls the teachers unions.......so their test scores are the worst of all the race groups in the U.S.......

Folks who are anti-black, white supremacists and racist, what party do they belong to? The Republican Party. Now these folks are the ones who love to lecture black folks about what Democrats are doing to us, but when you ask them what are Republicans doing all you hear are crickets. Since the 70s we see that black folks prosper better under Democrat presidents than we do Republican presidents. That is just facts.

There were more black folks employed during Trump's presidency than in the past 50 years.

Thats only because President Obama raised the rate for him.

If that was the case, he was smart enough to keep the trend going and go higher than Obama ever did, correct? IOW, hardly a racist because if he really was, he would have tried to set back progress, not boost it.

He had nothing to do with it until he fucked up on Covid which you know had the opposite affect and caused more unemployment. He was always begging for Black people to like him so he wasn't going to do anything to set that back until he was in his second term.

Oh, brother, have you ever drunk the Kool-Aid. Let's face reality. We could have 30 straight years of Republican led employment gains for black workers and you'd STILL reach as far back as you had to and find a democrat to credit. The reality is, no matter what TRUMP! was given, he kept it going and added to it, and that included black progress. As for his second term, which meeting were you lurking in, because that's not what anyone else heard.

Bullshit. Black people have always done worse under repubs the last 5 decades or so. Drumpf didnt keep anything going. He just didnt fuck it up until Covid hit.

So things were worse for black Americans under TRUMP! than under Obama? Are you really going with that?

In the last 30yrs statistics show that black folks do better under Democrat presidents than we do under Republican presidents. Economically, educationally, etc., why is that?

Then why were blacks doing better under Trump than Obama? And why are all dem controlled areas for blacks cesspools?

Black folks didn't do better under Trump, that is a lie that is repeated by lying Trump Humpers hoping black folks will fall for it. Tell me some great Republican controlled areas for black folks that are thriving.

Black unemployment was better under TRUMP! than Obama. By what objective measure are you claiming they weren't better off?

Black unemployment went from 7.4% to as low as 5.2% under Trump. A record low. That was only possible because Obama lowered black unemployment from its post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. A record low passed from one administration to the next. The average black unemployment rate passed to an incoming administration is 11.6%. Had Obama passed Trump 11.6% black unemployment, it wouldn't have gone as low as 5.2%.

Irrelevant to the point that it was better under TRUMP! than under Obama.

LOLOL

Uh, no, it's not irrelevant. Black unemployment had been falling for many years and continued under Trump.

​

It is when the assertion is that black Americans didn't do as well under TRUMP! as under Obama. This is one objective measure by which they did better.

Uh, no, they didn't if your comparison is how the did under Obama vs under Trump.

Under Obama, the black unemployment rate went from a post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. That's a 9.4 point drop or a 56% improvement. During that period of time, 43,671 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

Under Trump, the black unemployment rate went from 7.4% to his lowest, 5.2%. That's a 2.2 point drop or a 30% improvement. During that period of time, 33,323 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

You're measuring IMPROVEMENT, which is a valid measure, but is not the same as were they overall better off or not. So we're both right because we're talking about two different things.

They are 2 different ways of looking at it but measuring improvement is what impacts them the most. Case in point, had the unemployment rate under Trump only dropped from 7.4% to 7.3%, the difference would be negligible but you would still be saying they did better under Trump than Obama.

And I would be correct, but that's irrelevant to this case, because the difference is not that trivial.

Is an overweight person better off while they are losing 50 lbs or after they've lost 50 lbs then dropped another 20 lbs? To put it another way, would I, as a worker, be better off while the UE rate is dropping from 16.8% to 7.4%, or after it's dropped to 5.2%? I know you want to avoid giving TRUMP! any credit for anything if at all possible, but you have to admit that black unemployment was better under him than under Obama.

Great analogy -- it exposes why you're wrong. In your analogy, you point out someone is better off losing 70 pounds than 50 pounds. But "better off" wasn't what you said about Trump. You said blacks did better under Trump than they did under Obama and that's patently false. Far more blacks got jobs under Obama than under Trump. The black unemployment rate dropped far more under Obama than under Trump. Blacks did better under Obama than under Trump. Not to mention, Trump was handed an economy with an expanding job market. At least in the beginning of his one and only term, he was surfing on the Obama wave.

And you have to admit TRUMP! made choices and took steps to continue the trend, not to reverse it. You also ignored my second question, which is, are people better off while the UE rate is dropping, or when it is at its lowest?

You're basically trying to make the case that people are better of while more are unemployed in a vain attempt to avoid giving credit to TRUMP! for ANYTHING. How odd, and how useless to continue as long as you hold that bizarre belief.

I didn't say Trump gets no credit. I said at the beginning of his term he was still riding the Obama wave.

They're best off when it's at its lowest, but if you're comparing the performance of two presidents, the one who did better matters. Case in point ... black unemployment peaked at 16.8%. Obama handed that to Trump when it was 7.4%. Had that rate dropped 30% (as it did for Trump) and not 56%, Obama would have handed Trump a black unemployment rate at about 11.8%. Trump would never have gotten down to 5.2%. So both presidents get credit for their share. But Obama's share was bigger. Blacks did better under Obama than they did under Trump.

I see what you're driving at, and don't disagree that Obama did a lot. Of course, he had two terms to get more things done and a recovery he rode. I am, however, pointing out that TRUMP! made things even better, and I still maintain that people "do better" when more are working than when less are working, bottom line. Tell you what, let's look ahead. If Quid Pro adopts policies and does things that stifle the economy and black UE goes up, are you going to be consistent and say blacks did better under TRUMP!, or are you going to continue finding excuses to say they did better under Quid Pro?

trump got one term because he did a bad job. trump didn't make things way better. Not if growth had started before trump took office. You can say he maintained that growth, but he did not make it, therefore he could not have made things better. Things were gong to get better no matter who won if they let things continue. We would have been better off under Clinton because she would have had a informal top advisor who had experience growing the economy.

He continued the growth, which is the important point. He was what the economy needed at the time, and we were blessed that he sent Hillary into retirement. He made things better.

We could have Bush Jr as POTUS and he would have done a better job. Obama handed Dump a top of the 9th grand slam and he struck the fuck out.

We did have Bush, Jr as POTUS and he did a good job. TRUMP! simply made things better.

Bush left us facing a depression.

Nah, just a recession, and we had the slowest ever recovery from it too. Now who was in charge then?

And yet...

GDP:
Obama: 1.9%
Trump: 1.2%

Jobs:
Obama: +1,444,625 per year
Trump: -719,000 per year

Trump is the only president to not have a sing year of GDP growth exceed 3%.

And that, dear friends, is how extreme partisanship works. Create a narrative, demonize or praise the favored one to the hilt, and at all costs either give credit where it's not due or deny it where it is due. Of course, Bush, TRUMP! and Obama were all presidents, and all worked imperfectly with the hand they were dealt. Pretending that they, and they alone, had all the control and power over everything is foolish, because Congress and the SC have to go along or nothing gets done. Sometimes that's a good thing, and sometimes a president just gets to ride a wave that he didn't create and if he's smart, he'll stay out of the way and let it take him to good places, ala Bubba Clinton and the dot com boom. The economy cycles naturally and if a president has the fortune to take office immediately after a down cycle or crash, ala Obama, he gets to ride the recovery wave and look good. Of course, he can slow the recovery down (remember to summer of recover that wasn't?) or speed it up, but the guy before him gets the blame for the crash so everything he escapes all blame and gets all credit. The worst thing a president can suffer is a crash toward the end of his first term, ala TRUMP!, because there's no time for the recovery to start and he gets blame for the crash. The guy after him will of course get credit for the recovery unless he screws it up, as we expect Quid Pro to do.

So, to the point. Obama made some good choices and some bad ones, and so did TRUMP!.

Trumps bad choices killed over 1/2 million people. You have created a narrative and it's false.

The thing about Obamas presidency is if republicans would not have opposed everything, the economy would have even grown more.

I'm not playing what-if games. If you want to do that, we can go into what-if TRUMP! didn't run into a totally hostile Congress that was determined to prevent him from accomplishing anything, no matter how positive. I'm simply pointing out the unemployment numbers.

 

[Faun]

That's not happening and your post is a fine example of white victimhood.

You can’t target a black student for admission to a university for the sake of diversity without harming a white student who was denied admission

How do you know the black student wasn't more qualified than the white student or do you think being white automatically makes you right.

Standardized test scores.....black children are trapped in the worst public schools because the democrat party controls the teachers unions.......so their test scores are the worst of all the race groups in the U.S.......

Folks who are anti-black, white supremacists and racist, what party do they belong to? The Republican Party. Now these folks are the ones who love to lecture black folks about what Democrats are doing to us, but when you ask them what are Republicans doing all you hear are crickets. Since the 70s we see that black folks prosper better under Democrat presidents than we do Republican presidents. That is just facts.

There were more black folks employed during Trump's presidency than in the past 50 years.

Thats only because President Obama raised the rate for him.

If that was the case, he was smart enough to keep the trend going and go higher than Obama ever did, correct? IOW, hardly a racist because if he really was, he would have tried to set back progress, not boost it.

He had nothing to do with it until he fucked up on Covid which you know had the opposite affect and caused more unemployment. He was always begging for Black people to like him so he wasn't going to do anything to set that back until he was in his second term.

Oh, brother, have you ever drunk the Kool-Aid. Let's face reality. We could have 30 straight years of Republican led employment gains for black workers and you'd STILL reach as far back as you had to and find a democrat to credit. The reality is, no matter what TRUMP! was given, he kept it going and added to it, and that included black progress. As for his second term, which meeting were you lurking in, because that's not what anyone else heard.

Bullshit. Black people have always done worse under repubs the last 5 decades or so. Drumpf didnt keep anything going. He just didnt fuck it up until Covid hit.

So things were worse for black Americans under TRUMP! than under Obama? Are you really going with that?

In the last 30yrs statistics show that black folks do better under Democrat presidents than we do under Republican presidents. Economically, educationally, etc., why is that?

Then why were blacks doing better under Trump than Obama? And why are all dem controlled areas for blacks cesspools?

Black folks didn't do better under Trump, that is a lie that is repeated by lying Trump Humpers hoping black folks will fall for it. Tell me some great Republican controlled areas for black folks that are thriving.

Black unemployment was better under TRUMP! than Obama. By what objective measure are you claiming they weren't better off?

Black unemployment went from 7.4% to as low as 5.2% under Trump. A record low. That was only possible because Obama lowered black unemployment from its post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. A record low passed from one administration to the next. The average black unemployment rate passed to an incoming administration is 11.6%. Had Obama passed Trump 11.6% black unemployment, it wouldn't have gone as low as 5.2%.

Irrelevant to the point that it was better under TRUMP! than under Obama.

LOLOL

Uh, no, it's not irrelevant. Black unemployment had been falling for many years and continued under Trump.

​

It is when the assertion is that black Americans didn't do as well under TRUMP! as under Obama. This is one objective measure by which they did better.

Uh, no, they didn't if your comparison is how the did under Obama vs under Trump.

Under Obama, the black unemployment rate went from a post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. That's a 9.4 point drop or a 56% improvement. During that period of time, 43,671 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

Under Trump, the black unemployment rate went from 7.4% to his lowest, 5.2%. That's a 2.2 point drop or a 30% improvement. During that period of time, 33,323 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

You're measuring IMPROVEMENT, which is a valid measure, but is not the same as were they overall better off or not. So we're both right because we're talking about two different things.

They are 2 different ways of looking at it but measuring improvement is what impacts them the most. Case in point, had the unemployment rate under Trump only dropped from 7.4% to 7.3%, the difference would be negligible but you would still be saying they did better under Trump than Obama.

And I would be correct, but that's irrelevant to this case, because the difference is not that trivial.

Is an overweight person better off while they are losing 50 lbs or after they've lost 50 lbs then dropped another 20 lbs? To put it another way, would I, as a worker, be better off while the UE rate is dropping from 16.8% to 7.4%, or after it's dropped to 5.2%? I know you want to avoid giving TRUMP! any credit for anything if at all possible, but you have to admit that black unemployment was better under him than under Obama.

Great analogy -- it exposes why you're wrong. In your analogy, you point out someone is better off losing 70 pounds than 50 pounds. But "better off" wasn't what you said about Trump. You said blacks did better under Trump than they did under Obama and that's patently false. Far more blacks got jobs under Obama than under Trump. The black unemployment rate dropped far more under Obama than under Trump. Blacks did better under Obama than under Trump. Not to mention, Trump was handed an economy with an expanding job market. At least in the beginning of his one and only term, he was surfing on the Obama wave.

And you have to admit TRUMP! made choices and took steps to continue the trend, not to reverse it. You also ignored my second question, which is, are people better off while the UE rate is dropping, or when it is at its lowest?

You're basically trying to make the case that people are better of while more are unemployed in a vain attempt to avoid giving credit to TRUMP! for ANYTHING. How odd, and how useless to continue as long as you hold that bizarre belief.

I didn't say Trump gets no credit. I said at the beginning of his term he was still riding the Obama wave.

They're best off when it's at its lowest, but if you're comparing the performance of two presidents, the one who did better matters. Case in point ... black unemployment peaked at 16.8%. Obama handed that to Trump when it was 7.4%. Had that rate dropped 30% (as it did for Trump) and not 56%, Obama would have handed Trump a black unemployment rate at about 11.8%. Trump would never have gotten down to 5.2%. So both presidents get credit for their share. But Obama's share was bigger. Blacks did better under Obama than they did under Trump.

I see what you're driving at, and don't disagree that Obama did a lot. Of course, he had two terms to get more things done and a recovery he rode. I am, however, pointing out that TRUMP! made things even better, and I still maintain that people "do better" when more are working than when less are working, bottom line. Tell you what, let's look ahead. If Quid Pro adopts policies and does things that stifle the economy and black UE goes up, are you going to be consistent and say blacks did better under TRUMP!, or are you going to continue finding excuses to say they did better under Quid Pro?

trump got one term because he did a bad job. trump didn't make things way better. Not if growth had started before trump took office. You can say he maintained that growth, but he did not make it, therefore he could not have made things better. Things were gong to get better no matter who won if they let things continue. We would have been better off under Clinton because she would have had a informal top advisor who had experience growing the economy.

He continued the growth, which is the important point. He was what the economy needed at the time, and we were blessed that he sent Hillary into retirement. He made things better.

We could have Bush Jr as POTUS and he would have done a better job. Obama handed Dump a top of the 9th grand slam and he struck the fuck out.

We did have Bush, Jr as POTUS and he did a good job. TRUMP! simply made things better.

Bush left us facing a depression.

Nah, just a recession, and we had the slowest ever recovery from it too. Now who was in charge then?

And yet...

GDP:
Obama: 1.9%
Trump: 1.2%

Jobs:
Obama: +1,444,625 per year
Trump: -719,000 per year

Trump is the only president to not have a sing year of GDP growth exceed 3%.

And that, dear friends, is how extreme partisanship works. Create a narrative, demonize or praise the favored one to the hilt, and at all costs either give credit where it's not due or deny it where it is due. Of course, Bush, TRUMP! and Obama were all presidents, and all worked imperfectly with the hand they were dealt. Pretending that they, and they alone, had all the control and power over everything is foolish, because Congress and the SC have to go along or nothing gets done. Sometimes that's a good thing, and sometimes a president just gets to ride a wave that he didn't create and if he's smart, he'll stay out of the way and let it take him to good places, ala Bubba Clinton and the dot com boom. The economy cycles naturally and if a president has the fortune to take office immediately after a down cycle or crash, ala Obama, he gets to ride the recovery wave and look good. Of course, he can slow the recovery down (remember to summer of recover that wasn't?) or speed it up, but the guy before him gets the blame for the crash so everything he escapes all blame and gets all credit. The worst thing a president can suffer is a crash toward the end of his first term, ala TRUMP!, because there's no time for the recovery to start and he gets blame for the crash. The guy after him will of course get credit for the recovery unless he screws it up, as we expect Quid Pro to do.

So, to the point. Obama made some good choices and some bad ones, and so did TRUMP!.

I don't disagree with that. But it's odd you mention that given you were the one talking about Obama whereas I compared Obama with Trump to show despite the slow recovery, it was still far better than the disaster we faced under Trump. And for better or worse, the president does get credit or blame for the economy. What I disagree with was your claim that we had the best economy under Trump as that is measurably untrue.

If you notice, I didn't say best ever. I said, and meant, better than ever. IOW, he continued the growth that he inherited.

What's the difference between "best ever" and "better than ever?"

And regardless, it wasn't. Again, there have been times GDP was stronger and times unemployment was lower. That renders his economy neither the "best ever" nor "better than ever."

 

[hadit]

That's not happening and your post is a fine example of white victimhood.

You can’t target a black student for admission to a university for the sake of diversity without harming a white student who was denied admission

How do you know the black student wasn't more qualified than the white student or do you think being white automatically makes you right.

Standardized test scores.....black children are trapped in the worst public schools because the democrat party controls the teachers unions.......so their test scores are the worst of all the race groups in the U.S.......

Folks who are anti-black, white supremacists and racist, what party do they belong to? The Republican Party. Now these folks are the ones who love to lecture black folks about what Democrats are doing to us, but when you ask them what are Republicans doing all you hear are crickets. Since the 70s we see that black folks prosper better under Democrat presidents than we do Republican presidents. That is just facts.

There were more black folks employed during Trump's presidency than in the past 50 years.

Thats only because President Obama raised the rate for him.

If that was the case, he was smart enough to keep the trend going and go higher than Obama ever did, correct? IOW, hardly a racist because if he really was, he would have tried to set back progress, not boost it.

He had nothing to do with it until he fucked up on Covid which you know had the opposite affect and caused more unemployment. He was always begging for Black people to like him so he wasn't going to do anything to set that back until he was in his second term.

Oh, brother, have you ever drunk the Kool-Aid. Let's face reality. We could have 30 straight years of Republican led employment gains for black workers and you'd STILL reach as far back as you had to and find a democrat to credit. The reality is, no matter what TRUMP! was given, he kept it going and added to it, and that included black progress. As for his second term, which meeting were you lurking in, because that's not what anyone else heard.

Bullshit. Black people have always done worse under repubs the last 5 decades or so. Drumpf didnt keep anything going. He just didnt fuck it up until Covid hit.

So things were worse for black Americans under TRUMP! than under Obama? Are you really going with that?

In the last 30yrs statistics show that black folks do better under Democrat presidents than we do under Republican presidents. Economically, educationally, etc., why is that?

Then why were blacks doing better under Trump than Obama? And why are all dem controlled areas for blacks cesspools?

Black folks didn't do better under Trump, that is a lie that is repeated by lying Trump Humpers hoping black folks will fall for it. Tell me some great Republican controlled areas for black folks that are thriving.

Black unemployment was better under TRUMP! than Obama. By what objective measure are you claiming they weren't better off?

Black unemployment went from 7.4% to as low as 5.2% under Trump. A record low. That was only possible because Obama lowered black unemployment from its post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. A record low passed from one administration to the next. The average black unemployment rate passed to an incoming administration is 11.6%. Had Obama passed Trump 11.6% black unemployment, it wouldn't have gone as low as 5.2%.

Irrelevant to the point that it was better under TRUMP! than under Obama.

LOLOL

Uh, no, it's not irrelevant. Black unemployment had been falling for many years and continued under Trump.

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It is when the assertion is that black Americans didn't do as well under TRUMP! as under Obama. This is one objective measure by which they did better.

Uh, no, they didn't if your comparison is how the did under Obama vs under Trump.

Under Obama, the black unemployment rate went from a post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. That's a 9.4 point drop or a 56% improvement. During that period of time, 43,671 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

Under Trump, the black unemployment rate went from 7.4% to his lowest, 5.2%. That's a 2.2 point drop or a 30% improvement. During that period of time, 33,323 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

You're measuring IMPROVEMENT, which is a valid measure, but is not the same as were they overall better off or not. So we're both right because we're talking about two different things.

They are 2 different ways of looking at it but measuring improvement is what impacts them the most. Case in point, had the unemployment rate under Trump only dropped from 7.4% to 7.3%, the difference would be negligible but you would still be saying they did better under Trump than Obama.

And I would be correct, but that's irrelevant to this case, because the difference is not that trivial.

Is an overweight person better off while they are losing 50 lbs or after they've lost 50 lbs then dropped another 20 lbs? To put it another way, would I, as a worker, be better off while the UE rate is dropping from 16.8% to 7.4%, or after it's dropped to 5.2%? I know you want to avoid giving TRUMP! any credit for anything if at all possible, but you have to admit that black unemployment was better under him than under Obama.

Great analogy -- it exposes why you're wrong. In your analogy, you point out someone is better off losing 70 pounds than 50 pounds. But "better off" wasn't what you said about Trump. You said blacks did better under Trump than they did under Obama and that's patently false. Far more blacks got jobs under Obama than under Trump. The black unemployment rate dropped far more under Obama than under Trump. Blacks did better under Obama than under Trump. Not to mention, Trump was handed an economy with an expanding job market. At least in the beginning of his one and only term, he was surfing on the Obama wave.

And you have to admit TRUMP! made choices and took steps to continue the trend, not to reverse it. You also ignored my second question, which is, are people better off while the UE rate is dropping, or when it is at its lowest?

You're basically trying to make the case that people are better of while more are unemployed in a vain attempt to avoid giving credit to TRUMP! for ANYTHING. How odd, and how useless to continue as long as you hold that bizarre belief.

I didn't say Trump gets no credit. I said at the beginning of his term he was still riding the Obama wave.

They're best off when it's at its lowest, but if you're comparing the performance of two presidents, the one who did better matters. Case in point ... black unemployment peaked at 16.8%. Obama handed that to Trump when it was 7.4%. Had that rate dropped 30% (as it did for Trump) and not 56%, Obama would have handed Trump a black unemployment rate at about 11.8%. Trump would never have gotten down to 5.2%. So both presidents get credit for their share. But Obama's share was bigger. Blacks did better under Obama than they did under Trump.

I see what you're driving at, and don't disagree that Obama did a lot. Of course, he had two terms to get more things done and a recovery he rode. I am, however, pointing out that TRUMP! made things even better, and I still maintain that people "do better" when more are working than when less are working, bottom line. Tell you what, let's look ahead. If Quid Pro adopts policies and does things that stifle the economy and black UE goes up, are you going to be consistent and say blacks did better under TRUMP!, or are you going to continue finding excuses to say they did better under Quid Pro?

trump got one term because he did a bad job. trump didn't make things way better. Not if growth had started before trump took office. You can say he maintained that growth, but he did not make it, therefore he could not have made things better. Things were gong to get better no matter who won if they let things continue. We would have been better off under Clinton because she would have had a informal top advisor who had experience growing the economy.

He continued the growth, which is the important point. He was what the economy needed at the time, and we were blessed that he sent Hillary into retirement. He made things better.

We could have Bush Jr as POTUS and he would have done a better job. Obama handed Dump a top of the 9th grand slam and he struck the fuck out.

We did have Bush, Jr as POTUS and he did a good job. TRUMP! simply made things better.

LOL

What the fuck?? What good did Bush do? In terms of employment, he was the third worst since Hoover...

Hoover
Trump
Bush Jr.
Bush Sr.

Trump was an excellent president---the best we have had in generations...

Carter, Biden, and Obama are the worst presidents ever. Daddy Bush being down there followed closely with his son.

Saying a president was excellent is subjective and is merely opinion. Counting jobs is a quantifiable metric. The list I posted was in order of jobs gained or lost. Hoover had the worst record in that regard. Followed by Trump and then the two Bush's. You may not like it but that's your problem.

Trump will go down as the worst ever.

I don't know about the worst ever, but yeah, he's pretty far down that list.

You'd have to first define by what criteria you are judging. For example, he was superior to Obama in the number of military conflicts he initiated. First president since Carter (I believe) to have no new conflicts. In fact, it could be credibly argued that he deserved the Nobel Peace Prize far more than did Obama, who got it despite doing nothing to earn it then proceeded to make a mockery of it.

 

[hadit]

That's not happening and your post is a fine example of white victimhood.

You can’t target a black student for admission to a university for the sake of diversity without harming a white student who was denied admission

How do you know the black student wasn't more qualified than the white student or do you think being white automatically makes you right.

Standardized test scores.....black children are trapped in the worst public schools because the democrat party controls the teachers unions.......so their test scores are the worst of all the race groups in the U.S.......

Folks who are anti-black, white supremacists and racist, what party do they belong to? The Republican Party. Now these folks are the ones who love to lecture black folks about what Democrats are doing to us, but when you ask them what are Republicans doing all you hear are crickets. Since the 70s we see that black folks prosper better under Democrat presidents than we do Republican presidents. That is just facts.

There were more black folks employed during Trump's presidency than in the past 50 years.

Thats only because President Obama raised the rate for him.

If that was the case, he was smart enough to keep the trend going and go higher than Obama ever did, correct? IOW, hardly a racist because if he really was, he would have tried to set back progress, not boost it.

He had nothing to do with it until he fucked up on Covid which you know had the opposite affect and caused more unemployment. He was always begging for Black people to like him so he wasn't going to do anything to set that back until he was in his second term.

Oh, brother, have you ever drunk the Kool-Aid. Let's face reality. We could have 30 straight years of Republican led employment gains for black workers and you'd STILL reach as far back as you had to and find a democrat to credit. The reality is, no matter what TRUMP! was given, he kept it going and added to it, and that included black progress. As for his second term, which meeting were you lurking in, because that's not what anyone else heard.

Bullshit. Black people have always done worse under repubs the last 5 decades or so. Drumpf didnt keep anything going. He just didnt fuck it up until Covid hit.

So things were worse for black Americans under TRUMP! than under Obama? Are you really going with that?

In the last 30yrs statistics show that black folks do better under Democrat presidents than we do under Republican presidents. Economically, educationally, etc., why is that?

Then why were blacks doing better under Trump than Obama? And why are all dem controlled areas for blacks cesspools?

Black folks didn't do better under Trump, that is a lie that is repeated by lying Trump Humpers hoping black folks will fall for it. Tell me some great Republican controlled areas for black folks that are thriving.

Black unemployment was better under TRUMP! than Obama. By what objective measure are you claiming they weren't better off?

Black unemployment went from 7.4% to as low as 5.2% under Trump. A record low. That was only possible because Obama lowered black unemployment from its post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. A record low passed from one administration to the next. The average black unemployment rate passed to an incoming administration is 11.6%. Had Obama passed Trump 11.6% black unemployment, it wouldn't have gone as low as 5.2%.

Irrelevant to the point that it was better under TRUMP! than under Obama.

LOLOL

Uh, no, it's not irrelevant. Black unemployment had been falling for many years and continued under Trump.

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It is when the assertion is that black Americans didn't do as well under TRUMP! as under Obama. This is one objective measure by which they did better.

Uh, no, they didn't if your comparison is how the did under Obama vs under Trump.

Under Obama, the black unemployment rate went from a post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. That's a 9.4 point drop or a 56% improvement. During that period of time, 43,671 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

Under Trump, the black unemployment rate went from 7.4% to his lowest, 5.2%. That's a 2.2 point drop or a 30% improvement. During that period of time, 33,323 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

You're measuring IMPROVEMENT, which is a valid measure, but is not the same as were they overall better off or not. So we're both right because we're talking about two different things.

They are 2 different ways of looking at it but measuring improvement is what impacts them the most. Case in point, had the unemployment rate under Trump only dropped from 7.4% to 7.3%, the difference would be negligible but you would still be saying they did better under Trump than Obama.

And I would be correct, but that's irrelevant to this case, because the difference is not that trivial.

Is an overweight person better off while they are losing 50 lbs or after they've lost 50 lbs then dropped another 20 lbs? To put it another way, would I, as a worker, be better off while the UE rate is dropping from 16.8% to 7.4%, or after it's dropped to 5.2%? I know you want to avoid giving TRUMP! any credit for anything if at all possible, but you have to admit that black unemployment was better under him than under Obama.

Great analogy -- it exposes why you're wrong. In your analogy, you point out someone is better off losing 70 pounds than 50 pounds. But "better off" wasn't what you said about Trump. You said blacks did better under Trump than they did under Obama and that's patently false. Far more blacks got jobs under Obama than under Trump. The black unemployment rate dropped far more under Obama than under Trump. Blacks did better under Obama than under Trump. Not to mention, Trump was handed an economy with an expanding job market. At least in the beginning of his one and only term, he was surfing on the Obama wave.

And you have to admit TRUMP! made choices and took steps to continue the trend, not to reverse it. You also ignored my second question, which is, are people better off while the UE rate is dropping, or when it is at its lowest?

You're basically trying to make the case that people are better of while more are unemployed in a vain attempt to avoid giving credit to TRUMP! for ANYTHING. How odd, and how useless to continue as long as you hold that bizarre belief.

I didn't say Trump gets no credit. I said at the beginning of his term he was still riding the Obama wave.

They're best off when it's at its lowest, but if you're comparing the performance of two presidents, the one who did better matters. Case in point ... black unemployment peaked at 16.8%. Obama handed that to Trump when it was 7.4%. Had that rate dropped 30% (as it did for Trump) and not 56%, Obama would have handed Trump a black unemployment rate at about 11.8%. Trump would never have gotten down to 5.2%. So both presidents get credit for their share. But Obama's share was bigger. Blacks did better under Obama than they did under Trump.

I see what you're driving at, and don't disagree that Obama did a lot. Of course, he had two terms to get more things done and a recovery he rode. I am, however, pointing out that TRUMP! made things even better, and I still maintain that people "do better" when more are working than when less are working, bottom line. Tell you what, let's look ahead. If Quid Pro adopts policies and does things that stifle the economy and black UE goes up, are you going to be consistent and say blacks did better under TRUMP!, or are you going to continue finding excuses to say they did better under Quid Pro?

trump got one term because he did a bad job. trump didn't make things way better. Not if growth had started before trump took office. You can say he maintained that growth, but he did not make it, therefore he could not have made things better. Things were gong to get better no matter who won if they let things continue. We would have been better off under Clinton because she would have had a informal top advisor who had experience growing the economy.

He continued the growth, which is the important point. He was what the economy needed at the time, and we were blessed that he sent Hillary into retirement. He made things better.

We could have Bush Jr as POTUS and he would have done a better job. Obama handed Dump a top of the 9th grand slam and he struck the fuck out.

We did have Bush, Jr as POTUS and he did a good job. TRUMP! simply made things better.

Bush left us facing a depression.

Nah, just a recession, and we had the slowest ever recovery from it too. Now who was in charge then?

And yet...

GDP:
Obama: 1.9%
Trump: 1.2%

Jobs:
Obama: +1,444,625 per year
Trump: -719,000 per year

Trump is the only president to not have a sing year of GDP growth exceed 3%.

And that, dear friends, is how extreme partisanship works. Create a narrative, demonize or praise the favored one to the hilt, and at all costs either give credit where it's not due or deny it where it is due. Of course, Bush, TRUMP! and Obama were all presidents, and all worked imperfectly with the hand they were dealt. Pretending that they, and they alone, had all the control and power over everything is foolish, because Congress and the SC have to go along or nothing gets done. Sometimes that's a good thing, and sometimes a president just gets to ride a wave that he didn't create and if he's smart, he'll stay out of the way and let it take him to good places, ala Bubba Clinton and the dot com boom. The economy cycles naturally and if a president has the fortune to take office immediately after a down cycle or crash, ala Obama, he gets to ride the recovery wave and look good. Of course, he can slow the recovery down (remember to summer of recover that wasn't?) or speed it up, but the guy before him gets the blame for the crash so everything he escapes all blame and gets all credit. The worst thing a president can suffer is a crash toward the end of his first term, ala TRUMP!, because there's no time for the recovery to start and he gets blame for the crash. The guy after him will of course get credit for the recovery unless he screws it up, as we expect Quid Pro to do.

So, to the point. Obama made some good choices and some bad ones, and so did TRUMP!.

I don't disagree with that. But it's odd you mention that given you were the one talking about Obama whereas I compared Obama with Trump to show despite the slow recovery, it was still far better than the disaster we faced under Trump. And for better or worse, the president does get credit or blame for the economy. What I disagree with was your claim that we had the best economy under Trump as that is measurably untrue.

If you notice, I didn't say best ever. I said, and meant, better than ever. IOW, he continued the growth that he inherited.

What's the difference between "best ever" and "better than ever?"

And regardless, it wasn't. Again, there have been times GDP was stronger and times unemployment was lower. That renders his economy neither the "best ever" nor "better than ever."

Symantics. Obviously I chose the wrong words to express what I was thinking. I know there have been better times. The dot com boom was one. Bubba Clinton rode that one to great popularity, despite being a horn dog of epic proportions. The difference, I believe, between him and Hillary is that he isn't mean, she is.

 

[hadit]

That's not happening and your post is a fine example of white victimhood.

You can’t target a black student for admission to a university for the sake of diversity without harming a white student who was denied admission

How do you know the black student wasn't more qualified than the white student or do you think being white automatically makes you right.

Standardized test scores.....black children are trapped in the worst public schools because the democrat party controls the teachers unions.......so their test scores are the worst of all the race groups in the U.S.......

Folks who are anti-black, white supremacists and racist, what party do they belong to? The Republican Party. Now these folks are the ones who love to lecture black folks about what Democrats are doing to us, but when you ask them what are Republicans doing all you hear are crickets. Since the 70s we see that black folks prosper better under Democrat presidents than we do Republican presidents. That is just facts.

There were more black folks employed during Trump's presidency than in the past 50 years.

Thats only because President Obama raised the rate for him.

If that was the case, he was smart enough to keep the trend going and go higher than Obama ever did, correct? IOW, hardly a racist because if he really was, he would have tried to set back progress, not boost it.

He had nothing to do with it until he fucked up on Covid which you know had the opposite affect and caused more unemployment. He was always begging for Black people to like him so he wasn't going to do anything to set that back until he was in his second term.

Oh, brother, have you ever drunk the Kool-Aid. Let's face reality. We could have 30 straight years of Republican led employment gains for black workers and you'd STILL reach as far back as you had to and find a democrat to credit. The reality is, no matter what TRUMP! was given, he kept it going and added to it, and that included black progress. As for his second term, which meeting were you lurking in, because that's not what anyone else heard.

Bullshit. Black people have always done worse under repubs the last 5 decades or so. Drumpf didnt keep anything going. He just didnt fuck it up until Covid hit.

So things were worse for black Americans under TRUMP! than under Obama? Are you really going with that?

In the last 30yrs statistics show that black folks do better under Democrat presidents than we do under Republican presidents. Economically, educationally, etc., why is that?

Then why were blacks doing better under Trump than Obama? And why are all dem controlled areas for blacks cesspools?

Black folks didn't do better under Trump, that is a lie that is repeated by lying Trump Humpers hoping black folks will fall for it. Tell me some great Republican controlled areas for black folks that are thriving.

Black unemployment was better under TRUMP! than Obama. By what objective measure are you claiming they weren't better off?

Black unemployment went from 7.4% to as low as 5.2% under Trump. A record low. That was only possible because Obama lowered black unemployment from its post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. A record low passed from one administration to the next. The average black unemployment rate passed to an incoming administration is 11.6%. Had Obama passed Trump 11.6% black unemployment, it wouldn't have gone as low as 5.2%.

Irrelevant to the point that it was better under TRUMP! than under Obama.

LOLOL

Uh, no, it's not irrelevant. Black unemployment had been falling for many years and continued under Trump.

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It is when the assertion is that black Americans didn't do as well under TRUMP! as under Obama. This is one objective measure by which they did better.

Uh, no, they didn't if your comparison is how the did under Obama vs under Trump.

Under Obama, the black unemployment rate went from a post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. That's a 9.4 point drop or a 56% improvement. During that period of time, 43,671 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

Under Trump, the black unemployment rate went from 7.4% to his lowest, 5.2%. That's a 2.2 point drop or a 30% improvement. During that period of time, 33,323 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

You're measuring IMPROVEMENT, which is a valid measure, but is not the same as were they overall better off or not. So we're both right because we're talking about two different things.

They are 2 different ways of looking at it but measuring improvement is what impacts them the most. Case in point, had the unemployment rate under Trump only dropped from 7.4% to 7.3%, the difference would be negligible but you would still be saying they did better under Trump than Obama.

And I would be correct, but that's irrelevant to this case, because the difference is not that trivial.

Is an overweight person better off while they are losing 50 lbs or after they've lost 50 lbs then dropped another 20 lbs? To put it another way, would I, as a worker, be better off while the UE rate is dropping from 16.8% to 7.4%, or after it's dropped to 5.2%? I know you want to avoid giving TRUMP! any credit for anything if at all possible, but you have to admit that black unemployment was better under him than under Obama.

Great analogy -- it exposes why you're wrong. In your analogy, you point out someone is better off losing 70 pounds than 50 pounds. But "better off" wasn't what you said about Trump. You said blacks did better under Trump than they did under Obama and that's patently false. Far more blacks got jobs under Obama than under Trump. The black unemployment rate dropped far more under Obama than under Trump. Blacks did better under Obama than under Trump. Not to mention, Trump was handed an economy with an expanding job market. At least in the beginning of his one and only term, he was surfing on the Obama wave.

And you have to admit TRUMP! made choices and took steps to continue the trend, not to reverse it. You also ignored my second question, which is, are people better off while the UE rate is dropping, or when it is at its lowest?

You're basically trying to make the case that people are better of while more are unemployed in a vain attempt to avoid giving credit to TRUMP! for ANYTHING. How odd, and how useless to continue as long as you hold that bizarre belief.

I didn't say Trump gets no credit. I said at the beginning of his term he was still riding the Obama wave.

They're best off when it's at its lowest, but if you're comparing the performance of two presidents, the one who did better matters. Case in point ... black unemployment peaked at 16.8%. Obama handed that to Trump when it was 7.4%. Had that rate dropped 30% (as it did for Trump) and not 56%, Obama would have handed Trump a black unemployment rate at about 11.8%. Trump would never have gotten down to 5.2%. So both presidents get credit for their share. But Obama's share was bigger. Blacks did better under Obama than they did under Trump.

I see what you're driving at, and don't disagree that Obama did a lot. Of course, he had two terms to get more things done and a recovery he rode. I am, however, pointing out that TRUMP! made things even better, and I still maintain that people "do better" when more are working than when less are working, bottom line. Tell you what, let's look ahead. If Quid Pro adopts policies and does things that stifle the economy and black UE goes up, are you going to be consistent and say blacks did better under TRUMP!, or are you going to continue finding excuses to say they did better under Quid Pro?

trump got one term because he did a bad job. trump didn't make things way better. Not if growth had started before trump took office. You can say he maintained that growth, but he did not make it, therefore he could not have made things better. Things were gong to get better no matter who won if they let things continue. We would have been better off under Clinton because she would have had a informal top advisor who had experience growing the economy.

He continued the growth, which is the important point. He was what the economy needed at the time, and we were blessed that he sent Hillary into retirement. He made things better.

Since Bill Clinton set records relative to the economy, I seriously doubt if we were blessed by Hillary not being president. Trump did not make things better and no matter how much you want to pretend he did, be very glad he didn't get a second term. All economic data shows that Obama outperformed trump. And Obama entered with our country facing a depression, losing millions of jobs. Trump was handed a growing economy.

And promptly kept it growing.

No, he didn't. Obama out performed trump and that was before the pandemic.

Okay, when did the economy shrink before the pandemic?

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

That's not happening and your post is a fine example of white victimhood.

You can’t target a black student for admission to a university for the sake of diversity without harming a white student who was denied admission

How do you know the black student wasn't more qualified than the white student or do you think being white automatically makes you right.

Standardized test scores.....black children are trapped in the worst public schools because the democrat party controls the teachers unions.......so their test scores are the worst of all the race groups in the U.S.......

Folks who are anti-black, white supremacists and racist, what party do they belong to? The Republican Party. Now these folks are the ones who love to lecture black folks about what Democrats are doing to us, but when you ask them what are Republicans doing all you hear are crickets. Since the 70s we see that black folks prosper better under Democrat presidents than we do Republican presidents. That is just facts.

There were more black folks employed during Trump's presidency than in the past 50 years.

Thats only because President Obama raised the rate for him.

If that was the case, he was smart enough to keep the trend going and go higher than Obama ever did, correct? IOW, hardly a racist because if he really was, he would have tried to set back progress, not boost it.

He had nothing to do with it until he fucked up on Covid which you know had the opposite affect and caused more unemployment. He was always begging for Black people to like him so he wasn't going to do anything to set that back until he was in his second term.

Oh, brother, have you ever drunk the Kool-Aid. Let's face reality. We could have 30 straight years of Republican led employment gains for black workers and you'd STILL reach as far back as you had to and find a democrat to credit. The reality is, no matter what TRUMP! was given, he kept it going and added to it, and that included black progress. As for his second term, which meeting were you lurking in, because that's not what anyone else heard.

Bullshit. Black people have always done worse under repubs the last 5 decades or so. Drumpf didnt keep anything going. He just didnt fuck it up until Covid hit.

So things were worse for black Americans under TRUMP! than under Obama? Are you really going with that?

In the last 30yrs statistics show that black folks do better under Democrat presidents than we do under Republican presidents. Economically, educationally, etc., why is that?

Then why were blacks doing better under Trump than Obama? And why are all dem controlled areas for blacks cesspools?

Black folks didn't do better under Trump, that is a lie that is repeated by lying Trump Humpers hoping black folks will fall for it. Tell me some great Republican controlled areas for black folks that are thriving.

Black unemployment was better under TRUMP! than Obama. By what objective measure are you claiming they weren't better off?

Unemployment rates are not the end all be all. Besides that credit goes to Obama. The Black community was worse off under Dump than anyone in the past 40 years.

Again, by what objective measure?

Not sure what you mean. Please explain.

"The homeownership rate for black Americans has fallen since Trump became president to 41.6 percent, according to the Census Bureau. The gap between white homeownership and black homeownership is now the widest since 1995."

By "objective measure", I mean something that can be quantified by number that can be looked up and is not disputable. Home ownership is one such measure. Now, some have gone to great pains to assure everyone that TRUMP! had nothing to do with low black unemployment, that it was all due to Obama. Are you going to now be consistent and claim that black home ownership is ALSO due solely to Obama? I would like to see you be consistent.

Are you asking me to convince you or use my objective and subjective measures?

I'm simply pointing out that the usual suspects went bonkers trying to avoid giving TRUMP! any credit at all for low black unemployment, and here's a measure where black Americans appear to have not done as well. Are the usual suspects going to be consistent and blame Obama for worse black home ownership or are they going to do the usual dance and try to say, "It's different, just because and for reasons, and just shut up!!!"?

That's probably because he was the beneficiary of Obama lowering the unemployment rate more than anyone else. That would be like giving me credit for the sun rising because I walked outside. Drumpf had jackshit to do with lowering the unemployment rate. He was just in the building when it went down farther. He definitely had something to do with the Black unemployment rate going back up with his fucked up handling of the virus though.

So then, to be consistent, we have to also say he had nothing to do with black home ownership being lower, that was all Obama's doing as well. Is that where you're going?

Apples and oranges. Black home ownership is a different metric. What does the history tell us? Was it stable or going up when Obama was in office?

Irrelevant to the impact Obama had. Are you going to be consistent and credit Obama with poor black home ownership or are you going to continue dancing around it? See, TRUMP! had the same impact, same opportunity to make things better or worse that Obama did, but you want to selectively pick and choose things so you can blame him for all negative aspects and credit Obama for all positive aspects of the economy. Really bad partisanship that.

Black homeownship was poor long before Obama. And it was because of racist public policy. So just stop looking for things to try claiming that trump was better for blacks than Obama, because he wasn't.

Stop trying to blame whites because blacks would rather collect welfare than get a job. It's no...our...fault.

It's more whites on welfare, so is they rather collect a welfare check that get a job. Idiot.

There are 7x more white people. Of course there are more...lol

Stop blaming whites because you're uneducated and don't have a job.

 

[Faun]

That's not happening and your post is a fine example of white victimhood.

You can’t target a black student for admission to a university for the sake of diversity without harming a white student who was denied admission

How do you know the black student wasn't more qualified than the white student or do you think being white automatically makes you right.

Standardized test scores.....black children are trapped in the worst public schools because the democrat party controls the teachers unions.......so their test scores are the worst of all the race groups in the U.S.......

Folks who are anti-black, white supremacists and racist, what party do they belong to? The Republican Party. Now these folks are the ones who love to lecture black folks about what Democrats are doing to us, but when you ask them what are Republicans doing all you hear are crickets. Since the 70s we see that black folks prosper better under Democrat presidents than we do Republican presidents. That is just facts.

There were more black folks employed during Trump's presidency than in the past 50 years.

Thats only because President Obama raised the rate for him.

If that was the case, he was smart enough to keep the trend going and go higher than Obama ever did, correct? IOW, hardly a racist because if he really was, he would have tried to set back progress, not boost it.

He had nothing to do with it until he fucked up on Covid which you know had the opposite affect and caused more unemployment. He was always begging for Black people to like him so he wasn't going to do anything to set that back until he was in his second term.

Oh, brother, have you ever drunk the Kool-Aid. Let's face reality. We could have 30 straight years of Republican led employment gains for black workers and you'd STILL reach as far back as you had to and find a democrat to credit. The reality is, no matter what TRUMP! was given, he kept it going and added to it, and that included black progress. As for his second term, which meeting were you lurking in, because that's not what anyone else heard.

Bullshit. Black people have always done worse under repubs the last 5 decades or so. Drumpf didnt keep anything going. He just didnt fuck it up until Covid hit.

So things were worse for black Americans under TRUMP! than under Obama? Are you really going with that?

In the last 30yrs statistics show that black folks do better under Democrat presidents than we do under Republican presidents. Economically, educationally, etc., why is that?

Then why were blacks doing better under Trump than Obama? And why are all dem controlled areas for blacks cesspools?

Black folks didn't do better under Trump, that is a lie that is repeated by lying Trump Humpers hoping black folks will fall for it. Tell me some great Republican controlled areas for black folks that are thriving.

Black unemployment was better under TRUMP! than Obama. By what objective measure are you claiming they weren't better off?

Black unemployment went from 7.4% to as low as 5.2% under Trump. A record low. That was only possible because Obama lowered black unemployment from its post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. A record low passed from one administration to the next. The average black unemployment rate passed to an incoming administration is 11.6%. Had Obama passed Trump 11.6% black unemployment, it wouldn't have gone as low as 5.2%.

Irrelevant to the point that it was better under TRUMP! than under Obama.

LOLOL

Uh, no, it's not irrelevant. Black unemployment had been falling for many years and continued under Trump.

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It is when the assertion is that black Americans didn't do as well under TRUMP! as under Obama. This is one objective measure by which they did better.

Uh, no, they didn't if your comparison is how the did under Obama vs under Trump.

Under Obama, the black unemployment rate went from a post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. That's a 9.4 point drop or a 56% improvement. During that period of time, 43,671 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

Under Trump, the black unemployment rate went from 7.4% to his lowest, 5.2%. That's a 2.2 point drop or a 30% improvement. During that period of time, 33,323 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

You're measuring IMPROVEMENT, which is a valid measure, but is not the same as were they overall better off or not. So we're both right because we're talking about two different things.

They are 2 different ways of looking at it but measuring improvement is what impacts them the most. Case in point, had the unemployment rate under Trump only dropped from 7.4% to 7.3%, the difference would be negligible but you would still be saying they did better under Trump than Obama.

And I would be correct, but that's irrelevant to this case, because the difference is not that trivial.

Is an overweight person better off while they are losing 50 lbs or after they've lost 50 lbs then dropped another 20 lbs? To put it another way, would I, as a worker, be better off while the UE rate is dropping from 16.8% to 7.4%, or after it's dropped to 5.2%? I know you want to avoid giving TRUMP! any credit for anything if at all possible, but you have to admit that black unemployment was better under him than under Obama.

Great analogy -- it exposes why you're wrong. In your analogy, you point out someone is better off losing 70 pounds than 50 pounds. But "better off" wasn't what you said about Trump. You said blacks did better under Trump than they did under Obama and that's patently false. Far more blacks got jobs under Obama than under Trump. The black unemployment rate dropped far more under Obama than under Trump. Blacks did better under Obama than under Trump. Not to mention, Trump was handed an economy with an expanding job market. At least in the beginning of his one and only term, he was surfing on the Obama wave.

And you have to admit TRUMP! made choices and took steps to continue the trend, not to reverse it. You also ignored my second question, which is, are people better off while the UE rate is dropping, or when it is at its lowest?

You're basically trying to make the case that people are better of while more are unemployed in a vain attempt to avoid giving credit to TRUMP! for ANYTHING. How odd, and how useless to continue as long as you hold that bizarre belief.

I didn't say Trump gets no credit. I said at the beginning of his term he was still riding the Obama wave.

They're best off when it's at its lowest, but if you're comparing the performance of two presidents, the one who did better matters. Case in point ... black unemployment peaked at 16.8%. Obama handed that to Trump when it was 7.4%. Had that rate dropped 30% (as it did for Trump) and not 56%, Obama would have handed Trump a black unemployment rate at about 11.8%. Trump would never have gotten down to 5.2%. So both presidents get credit for their share. But Obama's share was bigger. Blacks did better under Obama than they did under Trump.

I see what you're driving at, and don't disagree that Obama did a lot. Of course, he had two terms to get more things done and a recovery he rode. I am, however, pointing out that TRUMP! made things even better, and I still maintain that people "do better" when more are working than when less are working, bottom line. Tell you what, let's look ahead. If Quid Pro adopts policies and does things that stifle the economy and black UE goes up, are you going to be consistent and say blacks did better under TRUMP!, or are you going to continue finding excuses to say they did better under Quid Pro?

trump got one term because he did a bad job. trump didn't make things way better. Not if growth had started before trump took office. You can say he maintained that growth, but he did not make it, therefore he could not have made things better. Things were gong to get better no matter who won if they let things continue. We would have been better off under Clinton because she would have had a informal top advisor who had experience growing the economy.

He continued the growth, which is the important point. He was what the economy needed at the time, and we were blessed that he sent Hillary into retirement. He made things better.

We could have Bush Jr as POTUS and he would have done a better job. Obama handed Dump a top of the 9th grand slam and he struck the fuck out.

We did have Bush, Jr as POTUS and he did a good job. TRUMP! simply made things better.

LOL

What the fuck?? What good did Bush do? In terms of employment, he was the third worst since Hoover...

Hoover
Trump
Bush Jr.
Bush Sr.

Trump was an excellent president---the best we have had in generations...

Carter, Biden, and Obama are the worst presidents ever. Daddy Bush being down there followed closely with his son.

Saying a president was excellent is subjective and is merely opinion. Counting jobs is a quantifiable metric. The list I posted was in order of jobs gained or lost. Hoover had the worst record in that regard. Followed by Trump and then the two Bush's. You may not like it but that's your problem.

Trump will go down as the worst ever.

I don't know about the worst ever, but yeah, he's pretty far down that list.

You'd have to first define by what criteria you are judging. For example, he was superior to Obama in the number of military conflicts he initiated. First president since Carter (I believe) to have no new conflicts. In fact, it could be credibly argued that he deserved the Nobel Peace Prize far more than did Obama, who got it despite doing nothing to earn it then proceeded to make a mockery of it.

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You're literally comparing Trump with Carter. Carter sucked. But then so did Trump so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make unless your point is to bolster mine.

As far as criteria, there are so many. He isolated us from much of the planet. I find that a bad quality. He failed handling the covid crisis and then unbelievably said he wasn't responsible. I like presidents who are responsible. His malfeasance contributed to the collapse of the economy last spring. He broke the law when he solicited foreign aid for his reelection campaign. He's a pathological liar. While lying to a degree is inherent in politics, he expanded that to stratospheric levels. Often over the most trivial shit, like his inauguration crowd. He constantly bashed other presidents and then did no better than the ones he criticized; sometimes he performed even worse. Then there's his character which is incredibly flawed. From referring to Warren as "Pocahontas" which is an insult to Native Americans; to equating racists with anti-racists; to inciting police to rough up suspects; to inciting supporters to beat up protesters; to belittling POW's; to falsely accusing his predecessor of spying on him; to spreading messages like, 'the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat'; He did significant damage to our elections, which are a cornerstone to our democracy, with his Big Lie; He almost caused his own vice president to be assassinated.

 

[Faun]

That's not happening and your post is a fine example of white victimhood.

You can’t target a black student for admission to a university for the sake of diversity without harming a white student who was denied admission

How do you know the black student wasn't more qualified than the white student or do you think being white automatically makes you right.

Standardized test scores.....black children are trapped in the worst public schools because the democrat party controls the teachers unions.......so their test scores are the worst of all the race groups in the U.S.......

Folks who are anti-black, white supremacists and racist, what party do they belong to? The Republican Party. Now these folks are the ones who love to lecture black folks about what Democrats are doing to us, but when you ask them what are Republicans doing all you hear are crickets. Since the 70s we see that black folks prosper better under Democrat presidents than we do Republican presidents. That is just facts.

There were more black folks employed during Trump's presidency than in the past 50 years.

Thats only because President Obama raised the rate for him.

If that was the case, he was smart enough to keep the trend going and go higher than Obama ever did, correct? IOW, hardly a racist because if he really was, he would have tried to set back progress, not boost it.

He had nothing to do with it until he fucked up on Covid which you know had the opposite affect and caused more unemployment. He was always begging for Black people to like him so he wasn't going to do anything to set that back until he was in his second term.

Oh, brother, have you ever drunk the Kool-Aid. Let's face reality. We could have 30 straight years of Republican led employment gains for black workers and you'd STILL reach as far back as you had to and find a democrat to credit. The reality is, no matter what TRUMP! was given, he kept it going and added to it, and that included black progress. As for his second term, which meeting were you lurking in, because that's not what anyone else heard.

Bullshit. Black people have always done worse under repubs the last 5 decades or so. Drumpf didnt keep anything going. He just didnt fuck it up until Covid hit.

So things were worse for black Americans under TRUMP! than under Obama? Are you really going with that?

In the last 30yrs statistics show that black folks do better under Democrat presidents than we do under Republican presidents. Economically, educationally, etc., why is that?

Then why were blacks doing better under Trump than Obama? And why are all dem controlled areas for blacks cesspools?

Black folks didn't do better under Trump, that is a lie that is repeated by lying Trump Humpers hoping black folks will fall for it. Tell me some great Republican controlled areas for black folks that are thriving.

Black unemployment was better under TRUMP! than Obama. By what objective measure are you claiming they weren't better off?

Black unemployment went from 7.4% to as low as 5.2% under Trump. A record low. That was only possible because Obama lowered black unemployment from its post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. A record low passed from one administration to the next. The average black unemployment rate passed to an incoming administration is 11.6%. Had Obama passed Trump 11.6% black unemployment, it wouldn't have gone as low as 5.2%.

Irrelevant to the point that it was better under TRUMP! than under Obama.

LOLOL

Uh, no, it's not irrelevant. Black unemployment had been falling for many years and continued under Trump.

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It is when the assertion is that black Americans didn't do as well under TRUMP! as under Obama. This is one objective measure by which they did better.

Uh, no, they didn't if your comparison is how the did under Obama vs under Trump.

Under Obama, the black unemployment rate went from a post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. That's a 9.4 point drop or a 56% improvement. During that period of time, 43,671 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

Under Trump, the black unemployment rate went from 7.4% to his lowest, 5.2%. That's a 2.2 point drop or a 30% improvement. During that period of time, 33,323 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

You're measuring IMPROVEMENT, which is a valid measure, but is not the same as were they overall better off or not. So we're both right because we're talking about two different things.

They are 2 different ways of looking at it but measuring improvement is what impacts them the most. Case in point, had the unemployment rate under Trump only dropped from 7.4% to 7.3%, the difference would be negligible but you would still be saying they did better under Trump than Obama.

And I would be correct, but that's irrelevant to this case, because the difference is not that trivial.

Is an overweight person better off while they are losing 50 lbs or after they've lost 50 lbs then dropped another 20 lbs? To put it another way, would I, as a worker, be better off while the UE rate is dropping from 16.8% to 7.4%, or after it's dropped to 5.2%? I know you want to avoid giving TRUMP! any credit for anything if at all possible, but you have to admit that black unemployment was better under him than under Obama.

Great analogy -- it exposes why you're wrong. In your analogy, you point out someone is better off losing 70 pounds than 50 pounds. But "better off" wasn't what you said about Trump. You said blacks did better under Trump than they did under Obama and that's patently false. Far more blacks got jobs under Obama than under Trump. The black unemployment rate dropped far more under Obama than under Trump. Blacks did better under Obama than under Trump. Not to mention, Trump was handed an economy with an expanding job market. At least in the beginning of his one and only term, he was surfing on the Obama wave.

And you have to admit TRUMP! made choices and took steps to continue the trend, not to reverse it. You also ignored my second question, which is, are people better off while the UE rate is dropping, or when it is at its lowest?

You're basically trying to make the case that people are better of while more are unemployed in a vain attempt to avoid giving credit to TRUMP! for ANYTHING. How odd, and how useless to continue as long as you hold that bizarre belief.

I didn't say Trump gets no credit. I said at the beginning of his term he was still riding the Obama wave.

They're best off when it's at its lowest, but if you're comparing the performance of two presidents, the one who did better matters. Case in point ... black unemployment peaked at 16.8%. Obama handed that to Trump when it was 7.4%. Had that rate dropped 30% (as it did for Trump) and not 56%, Obama would have handed Trump a black unemployment rate at about 11.8%. Trump would never have gotten down to 5.2%. So both presidents get credit for their share. But Obama's share was bigger. Blacks did better under Obama than they did under Trump.

I see what you're driving at, and don't disagree that Obama did a lot. Of course, he had two terms to get more things done and a recovery he rode. I am, however, pointing out that TRUMP! made things even better, and I still maintain that people "do better" when more are working than when less are working, bottom line. Tell you what, let's look ahead. If Quid Pro adopts policies and does things that stifle the economy and black UE goes up, are you going to be consistent and say blacks did better under TRUMP!, or are you going to continue finding excuses to say they did better under Quid Pro?

trump got one term because he did a bad job. trump didn't make things way better. Not if growth had started before trump took office. You can say he maintained that growth, but he did not make it, therefore he could not have made things better. Things were gong to get better no matter who won if they let things continue. We would have been better off under Clinton because she would have had a informal top advisor who had experience growing the economy.

He continued the growth, which is the important point. He was what the economy needed at the time, and we were blessed that he sent Hillary into retirement. He made things better.

We could have Bush Jr as POTUS and he would have done a better job. Obama handed Dump a top of the 9th grand slam and he struck the fuck out.

We did have Bush, Jr as POTUS and he did a good job. TRUMP! simply made things better.

Bush left us facing a depression.

Nah, just a recession, and we had the slowest ever recovery from it too. Now who was in charge then?

And yet...

GDP:
Obama: 1.9%
Trump: 1.2%

Jobs:
Obama: +1,444,625 per year
Trump: -719,000 per year

Trump is the only president to not have a sing year of GDP growth exceed 3%.

And that, dear friends, is how extreme partisanship works. Create a narrative, demonize or praise the favored one to the hilt, and at all costs either give credit where it's not due or deny it where it is due. Of course, Bush, TRUMP! and Obama were all presidents, and all worked imperfectly with the hand they were dealt. Pretending that they, and they alone, had all the control and power over everything is foolish, because Congress and the SC have to go along or nothing gets done. Sometimes that's a good thing, and sometimes a president just gets to ride a wave that he didn't create and if he's smart, he'll stay out of the way and let it take him to good places, ala Bubba Clinton and the dot com boom. The economy cycles naturally and if a president has the fortune to take office immediately after a down cycle or crash, ala Obama, he gets to ride the recovery wave and look good. Of course, he can slow the recovery down (remember to summer of recover that wasn't?) or speed it up, but the guy before him gets the blame for the crash so everything he escapes all blame and gets all credit. The worst thing a president can suffer is a crash toward the end of his first term, ala TRUMP!, because there's no time for the recovery to start and he gets blame for the crash. The guy after him will of course get credit for the recovery unless he screws it up, as we expect Quid Pro to do.

So, to the point. Obama made some good choices and some bad ones, and so did TRUMP!.

I don't disagree with that. But it's odd you mention that given you were the one talking about Obama whereas I compared Obama with Trump to show despite the slow recovery, it was still far better than the disaster we faced under Trump. And for better or worse, the president does get credit or blame for the economy. What I disagree with was your claim that we had the best economy under Trump as that is measurably untrue.

If you notice, I didn't say best ever. I said, and meant, better than ever. IOW, he continued the growth that he inherited.

What's the difference between "best ever" and "better than ever?"

And regardless, it wasn't. Again, there have been times GDP was stronger and times unemployment was lower. That renders his economy neither the "best ever" nor "better than ever."

Symantics. Obviously I chose the wrong words to express what I was thinking. I know there have been better times. The dot com boom was one. Bubba Clinton rode that one to great popularity, despite being a horn dog of epic proportions. The difference, I believe, between him and Hillary is that he isn't mean, she is.

So Trump didn't preside over an economy "better than ever." Thanks for clarifying.

 

[hadit]

That's not happening and your post is a fine example of white victimhood.

You can’t target a black student for admission to a university for the sake of diversity without harming a white student who was denied admission

How do you know the black student wasn't more qualified than the white student or do you think being white automatically makes you right.

Standardized test scores.....black children are trapped in the worst public schools because the democrat party controls the teachers unions.......so their test scores are the worst of all the race groups in the U.S.......

Folks who are anti-black, white supremacists and racist, what party do they belong to? The Republican Party. Now these folks are the ones who love to lecture black folks about what Democrats are doing to us, but when you ask them what are Republicans doing all you hear are crickets. Since the 70s we see that black folks prosper better under Democrat presidents than we do Republican presidents. That is just facts.

There were more black folks employed during Trump's presidency than in the past 50 years.

Thats only because President Obama raised the rate for him.

If that was the case, he was smart enough to keep the trend going and go higher than Obama ever did, correct? IOW, hardly a racist because if he really was, he would have tried to set back progress, not boost it.

He had nothing to do with it until he fucked up on Covid which you know had the opposite affect and caused more unemployment. He was always begging for Black people to like him so he wasn't going to do anything to set that back until he was in his second term.

Oh, brother, have you ever drunk the Kool-Aid. Let's face reality. We could have 30 straight years of Republican led employment gains for black workers and you'd STILL reach as far back as you had to and find a democrat to credit. The reality is, no matter what TRUMP! was given, he kept it going and added to it, and that included black progress. As for his second term, which meeting were you lurking in, because that's not what anyone else heard.

Bullshit. Black people have always done worse under repubs the last 5 decades or so. Drumpf didnt keep anything going. He just didnt fuck it up until Covid hit.

So things were worse for black Americans under TRUMP! than under Obama? Are you really going with that?

In the last 30yrs statistics show that black folks do better under Democrat presidents than we do under Republican presidents. Economically, educationally, etc., why is that?

Then why were blacks doing better under Trump than Obama? And why are all dem controlled areas for blacks cesspools?

Black folks didn't do better under Trump, that is a lie that is repeated by lying Trump Humpers hoping black folks will fall for it. Tell me some great Republican controlled areas for black folks that are thriving.

Black unemployment was better under TRUMP! than Obama. By what objective measure are you claiming they weren't better off?

Black unemployment went from 7.4% to as low as 5.2% under Trump. A record low. That was only possible because Obama lowered black unemployment from its post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. A record low passed from one administration to the next. The average black unemployment rate passed to an incoming administration is 11.6%. Had Obama passed Trump 11.6% black unemployment, it wouldn't have gone as low as 5.2%.

Irrelevant to the point that it was better under TRUMP! than under Obama.

LOLOL

Uh, no, it's not irrelevant. Black unemployment had been falling for many years and continued under Trump.

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It is when the assertion is that black Americans didn't do as well under TRUMP! as under Obama. This is one objective measure by which they did better.

Uh, no, they didn't if your comparison is how the did under Obama vs under Trump.

Under Obama, the black unemployment rate went from a post recession high of 16.8% to 7.4%. That's a 9.4 point drop or a 56% improvement. During that period of time, 43,671 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

Under Trump, the black unemployment rate went from 7.4% to his lowest, 5.2%. That's a 2.2 point drop or a 30% improvement. During that period of time, 33,323 jobs for African-Americans were added on average per month.

You're measuring IMPROVEMENT, which is a valid measure, but is not the same as were they overall better off or not. So we're both right because we're talking about two different things.

They are 2 different ways of looking at it but measuring improvement is what impacts them the most. Case in point, had the unemployment rate under Trump only dropped from 7.4% to 7.3%, the difference would be negligible but you would still be saying they did better under Trump than Obama.

And I would be correct, but that's irrelevant to this case, because the difference is not that trivial.

Is an overweight person better off while they are losing 50 lbs or after they've lost 50 lbs then dropped another 20 lbs? To put it another way, would I, as a worker, be better off while the UE rate is dropping from 16.8% to 7.4%, or after it's dropped to 5.2%? I know you want to avoid giving TRUMP! any credit for anything if at all possible, but you have to admit that black unemployment was better under him than under Obama.

Great analogy -- it exposes why you're wrong. In your analogy, you point out someone is better off losing 70 pounds than 50 pounds. But "better off" wasn't what you said about Trump. You said blacks did better under Trump than they did under Obama and that's patently false. Far more blacks got jobs under Obama than under Trump. The black unemployment rate dropped far more under Obama than under Trump. Blacks did better under Obama than under Trump. Not to mention, Trump was handed an economy with an expanding job market. At least in the beginning of his one and only term, he was surfing on the Obama wave.

And you have to admit TRUMP! made choices and took steps to continue the trend, not to reverse it. You also ignored my second question, which is, are people better off while the UE rate is dropping, or when it is at its lowest?

You're basically trying to make the case that people are better of while more are unemployed in a vain attempt to avoid giving credit to TRUMP! for ANYTHING. How odd, and how useless to continue as long as you hold that bizarre belief.

I didn't say Trump gets no credit. I said at the beginning of his term he was still riding the Obama wave.

They're best off when it's at its lowest, but if you're comparing the performance of two presidents, the one who did better matters. Case in point ... black unemployment peaked at 16.8%. Obama handed that to Trump when it was 7.4%. Had that rate dropped 30% (as it did for Trump) and not 56%, Obama would have handed Trump a black unemployment rate at about 11.8%. Trump would never have gotten down to 5.2%. So both presidents get credit for their share. But Obama's share was bigger. Blacks did better under Obama than they did under Trump.

I see what you're driving at, and don't disagree that Obama did a lot. Of course, he had two terms to get more things done and a recovery he rode. I am, however, pointing out that TRUMP! made things even better, and I still maintain that people "do better" when more are working than when less are working, bottom line. Tell you what, let's look ahead. If Quid Pro adopts policies and does things that stifle the economy and black UE goes up, are you going to be consistent and say blacks did better under TRUMP!, or are you going to continue finding excuses to say they did better under Quid Pro?

trump got one term because he did a bad job. trump didn't make things way better. Not if growth had started before trump took office. You can say he maintained that growth, but he did not make it, therefore he could not have made things better. Things were gong to get better no matter who won if they let things continue. We would have been better off under Clinton because she would have had a informal top advisor who had experience growing the economy.

He continued the growth, which is the important point. He was what the economy needed at the time, and we were blessed that he sent Hillary into retirement. He made things better.

We could have Bush Jr as POTUS and he would have done a better job. Obama handed Dump a top of the 9th grand slam and he struck the fuck out.

We did have Bush, Jr as POTUS and he did a good job. TRUMP! simply made things better.

LOL

What the fuck?? What good did Bush do? In terms of employment, he was the third worst since Hoover...

Hoover
Trump
Bush Jr.
Bush Sr.

Trump was an excellent president---the best we have had in generations...

Carter, Biden, and Obama are the worst presidents ever. Daddy Bush being down there followed closely with his son.

Saying a president was excellent is subjective and is merely opinion. Counting jobs is a quantifiable metric. The list I posted was in order of jobs gained or lost. Hoover had the worst record in that regard. Followed by Trump and then the two Bush's. You may not like it but that's your problem.

Trump will go down as the worst ever.

I don't know about the worst ever, but yeah, he's pretty far down that list.

You'd have to first define by what criteria you are judging. For example, he was superior to Obama in the number of military conflicts he initiated. First president since Carter (I believe) to have no new conflicts. In fact, it could be credibly argued that he deserved the Nobel Peace Prize far more than did Obama, who got it despite doing nothing to earn it then proceeded to make a mockery of it.

LOL

You're literally comparing Trump with Carter. Carter sucked. But then so did Trump so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make unless your point is to bolster mine.

As far as criteria, there are so many. He isolated us from much of the planet. I find that a bad quality. He failed handling the covid crisis and then unbelievably said he wasn't responsible. I like presidents who are responsible. His malfeasance contributed to the collapse of the economy last spring. He broke the law when he solicited foreign aid for his reelection campaign. He's a pathological liar. While lying to a degree is inherent in politics, he expanded that to stratospheric levels. Often over the most trivial shit, like his inauguration crowd. He constantly bashed other presidents and then did no better than the ones he criticized; sometimes he performed even worse. Then there's his character which is incredibly flawed. From referring to Warren as "Pocahontas" which is an insult to Native Americans; to equating racists with anti-racists; to inciting police to rough up suspects; to inciting supporters to beat up protesters; to belittling POW's; to falsely accusing his predecessor of spying on him; to spreading messages like, 'the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat'; He did significant damage to our elections, which are a cornerstone to our democracy, with his Big Lie; He almost caused his own vice president to be assassinated.

Uh, hate to tell you this, but Pence was nowhere near being assassinated. People were talking big, but he was in no danger. To believe otherwise is to take one side of a bifurcated government stance. It apparently believes simultaneously that it can be overthrown by a handful of unarmed people and that, since it has F-15's and nukes, cannot be overthrown. And how you get "Assassinate the Vice President" out of "Protest peacefully", I'll never know.