Romney Predicted The Failures of Today

[PoliticalChic]

The Angel Moroni told him...

Perhaps you can tell me, then, who told Obama to fail at every domestic and foreign policy endeavor....?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Actually, Senator Biden stated that the only way to resolve the issues of Iraq ethnicity strife was a three state solution for Iraq. A Sunni state, a Shiite state and a strick Islamic state..

And...you subscribe to that plan?

 

[JoeB131]

The Angel Moroni told him...

Perhaps you can tell me, then, who told Obama to fail at every domestic and foreign policy endeavor....?

Probably no one because he hasn't.

Now, fail, that pretty much does describe Bush. two wars, two recessions, a major city getting washed out to sea, a crashed stock market... that's what failure looks like.

 

[PoliticalChic]

the President that honored agreement signed in 2008 which ended on his watch in 2012?

Obama's watch, moron.

Bush gave him cushion of three years to gain an agreement.




Here's one for you: who is more incompetent, Obama, or an Obama voter?

Take your time.

The fatal flaw in your argument, or accusation, is that neither the American people nor the Iraqi people wanted a significant American troop presence to remain beyond 2011.

You're blaming Obama for not getting something that there was no meaningful support for on either side.

And that is the difference between Obama and a real leader.


His vision extends no further that the tip of his nose.

 

[JoeB131]

Obama's watch, moron.

Bush gave him cushion of three years to gain an agreement.

Here's one for you: who is more incompetent, Obama, or an Obama voter?

Take your time.

The fatal flaw in your argument, or accusation, is that neither the American people nor the Iraqi people wanted a significant American troop presence to remain beyond 2011.

You're blaming Obama for not getting something that there was no meaningful support for on either side.

And that is the difference between Obama and a real leader.

His vision extends no further that the tip of his nose.

And if Obama had insisted on keeping troops there in defiance of the wishes of both the American and Iraqi people, you'd be here calling him a "dictator".

And you'd probably accuse him of breaking his campaign promises as well. (which is what you guys do because Gitmo is still open.)

 

[zeke]

During the Great Depression, unemployed white people were thrown into a frenzy with "news" that all of their jobs were going to brown and black people.

If Americans want to cut off immigration and seal the border then America should deconstruct the Statue of Liberty and use it for scrap in the border fence. Let's be honest with ourselves and the world.

But of course, rich people will be allowed to come and go as they please.

Well, you got it half right, we will never close the borders and enact a sensible immigration policy because the chamber of commerce and the Republican and Democrat Party's corporate donors want cheap labor and the Democrats want cheap votes.

Also, modern immigration isn't comparable to 18th through early 20th century immigration by sheer numbers alone, before we even get into cultural differences.

"Our illegal population alone exceeds the all the Irish, Jewish and British immigrants who came. Each year, we catch more people breaking in at the border than all the Swedes and Norwegians who came to America in 200 years. Half a million illegal aliens succeed in breaking in every year, more than all the Greeks or Poles who came legally from the Revolution to 1960."
Quotes - Patrick J. Buchanan - Official Website

I take it that you think all the illegals entering the country now vote for Dems. You got any proof of that? Or is it just a "feeling" you get?

I don't mean one or two illegals voting. I mean millions. Cause that is what it would take to influence elections. Millions of illegal votes. Any proof of that at all?

 

[Geaux4it]

During the Great Depression, unemployed white people were thrown into a frenzy with "news" that all of their jobs were going to brown and black people.

If Americans want to cut off immigration and seal the border then America should deconstruct the Statue of Liberty and use it for scrap in the border fence. Let's be honest with ourselves and the world.

But of course, rich people will be allowed to come and go as they please.

Well, you got it half right, we will never close the borders and enact a sensible immigration policy because the chamber of commerce and the Republican and Democrat Party's corporate donors want cheap labor and the Democrats want cheap votes.

Also, modern immigration isn't comparable to 18th through early 20th century immigration by sheer numbers alone, before we even get into cultural differences.

"Our illegal population alone exceeds the all the Irish, Jewish and British immigrants who came. Each year, we catch more people breaking in at the border than all the Swedes and Norwegians who came to America in 200 years. Half a million illegal aliens succeed in breaking in every year, more than all the Greeks or Poles who came legally from the Revolution to 1960."
Quotes - Patrick J. Buchanan - Official Website

I take it that you think all the illegals entering the country now vote for Dems. You got any proof of that? Or is it just a "feeling" you get?

I don't mean one or two illegals voting. I mean millions. Cause that is what it would take to influence elections. Millions of illegal votes. Any proof of that at all?

N.Y. lawmaker aims to give voting rights to illegal immigrants | Reuters

(Reuters) - A New York lawmaker wants to grant many of the rights of citizenship to millions of illegal immigrants and non-citizen residents, including the right to vote in local and state elections, under a bill introduced on Monday.

The New York Is Home Act is the first bill in the United States that would provide such broad rights to non-citizens who can show they have lived and paid taxes in New York for at least three years, according to the bill's sponsor, state Senator Gustavo Rivera.

"Nearly 3 million people in the state of New York currently reside here and make New York their home, but can't fully participate in civic, political, and economic life," Rivera, a Democrat who represents the Bronx in New York City, said in a telephone interview.

He described the bill as a response to the stagnation of immigration reform efforts in the U.S. Congress.

"With failure at the national level on comprehensive immigration reform, the question we have asked is what can states do?" he said.

 

[zeke]

Well, you got it half right, we will never close the borders and enact a sensible immigration policy because the chamber of commerce and the Republican and Democrat Party's corporate donors want cheap labor and the Democrats want cheap votes.

Also, modern immigration isn't comparable to 18th through early 20th century immigration by sheer numbers alone, before we even get into cultural differences.

"Our illegal population alone exceeds the all the Irish, Jewish and British immigrants who came. Each year, we catch more people breaking in at the border than all the Swedes and Norwegians who came to America in 200 years. Half a million illegal aliens succeed in breaking in every year, more than all the Greeks or Poles who came legally from the Revolution to 1960."
Quotes - Patrick J. Buchanan - Official Website

I take it that you think all the illegals entering the country now vote for Dems. You got any proof of that? Or is it just a "feeling" you get?

I don't mean one or two illegals voting. I mean millions. Cause that is what it would take to influence elections. Millions of illegal votes. Any proof of that at all?

N.Y. lawmaker aims to give voting rights to illegal immigrants | Reuters

(Reuters) - A New York lawmaker wants to grant many of the rights of citizenship to millions of illegal immigrants and non-citizen residents, including the right to vote in local and state elections, under a bill introduced on Monday.

The New York Is Home Act is the first bill in the United States that would provide such broad rights to non-citizens who can show they have lived and paid taxes in New York for at least three years, according to the bill's sponsor, state Senator Gustavo Rivera.

"Nearly 3 million people in the state of New York currently reside here and make New York their home, but can't fully participate in civic, political, and economic life," Rivera, a Democrat who represents the Bronx in New York City, said in a telephone interview.

He described the bill as a response to the stagnation of immigration reform efforts in the U.S. Congress.

"With failure at the national level on comprehensive immigration reform, the question we have asked is what can states do?" he said.

Goforit, is there a difference between wanting something and having something?

I asked for evidence that millions of illegal people are voting for Dems in this country.

Thank you for providing the proof that that isn't happening.

Could it happen one day. Sure it could. But it isn't happening right fucking now.

Unless you got some other "proof", what you provided was evidence for my case. Thanks.

 

[Geaux4it]

I take it that you think all the illegals entering the country now vote for Dems. You got any proof of that? Or is it just a "feeling" you get?

I don't mean one or two illegals voting. I mean millions. Cause that is what it would take to influence elections. Millions of illegal votes. Any proof of that at all?

N.Y. lawmaker aims to give voting rights to illegal immigrants | Reuters

(Reuters) - A New York lawmaker wants to grant many of the rights of citizenship to millions of illegal immigrants and non-citizen residents, including the right to vote in local and state elections, under a bill introduced on Monday.

The New York Is Home Act is the first bill in the United States that would provide such broad rights to non-citizens who can show they have lived and paid taxes in New York for at least three years, according to the bill's sponsor, state Senator Gustavo Rivera.

"Nearly 3 million people in the state of New York currently reside here and make New York their home, but can't fully participate in civic, political, and economic life," Rivera, a Democrat who represents the Bronx in New York City, said in a telephone interview.

He described the bill as a response to the stagnation of immigration reform efforts in the U.S. Congress.

"With failure at the national level on comprehensive immigration reform, the question we have asked is what can states do?" he said.

Goforit, is there a difference between wanting something and having something?

I asked for evidence that millions of illegal people are voting for Dems in this country.

Thank you for providing the proof that that isn't happening.

Could it happen one day. Sure it could. But it isn't happening right fucking now.

Unless you got some other "proof", what you provided was evidence for my case. Thanks.

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/06/599...hat-illegal-aliens-can-vote-in-u-s-elections/

And then,

Supreme Court Rules: States Cannot Prevent Illegal Aliens from Voting in U.S. Elections

In a stunning ruling, the Supreme Court of the United States struck down an Arizona law requiring voters to present citizenship proof to register in state and federal elections.
The law clears the way to illegal alien undocumented immigrants voting in national elections without substantive means of preventing it for many states. The highest court in the land ruled 7-2 that federal law “precludes Arizona from requiring a federal form applicant to submit information beyond that required by the form itself,” as Justice Scalia wrote.

 

[Geaux4it]

Democrats Benefit From Illegal Immigrant Voting

Howard Foster: Democrats Benefit From Illegal Immigrant Voting

Why are Democrats so uniformly opposed to proof of citizenship in order to vote? They and their interest group surrogates insist there is no problem with voter security. But why should we believe this when we know illegal immigrants routinely lie to obtain employment?

 

[PoliticalChic]

During the Great Depression, unemployed white people were thrown into a frenzy with "news" that all of their jobs were going to brown and black people.

If Americans want to cut off immigration and seal the border then America should deconstruct the Statue of Liberty and use it for scrap in the border fence. Let's be honest with ourselves and the world.

But of course, rich people will be allowed to come and go as they please.

Well, you got it half right, we will never close the borders and enact a sensible immigration policy because the chamber of commerce and the Republican and Democrat Party's corporate donors want cheap labor and the Democrats want cheap votes.

Also, modern immigration isn't comparable to 18th through early 20th century immigration by sheer numbers alone, before we even get into cultural differences.

"Our illegal population alone exceeds the all the Irish, Jewish and British immigrants who came. Each year, we catch more people breaking in at the border than all the Swedes and Norwegians who came to America in 200 years. Half a million illegal aliens succeed in breaking in every year, more than all the Greeks or Poles who came legally from the Revolution to 1960."
Quotes - Patrick J. Buchanan - Official Website

I take it that you think all the illegals entering the country now vote for Dems. You got any proof of that? Or is it just a "feeling" you get?

I don't mean one or two illegals voting. I mean millions. Cause that is what it would take to influence elections. Millions of illegal votes. Any proof of that at all?

" I mean millions. Cause that is what it would take to influence elections. Millions of illegal votes."

You couldn't be more wrong. You could try, but you wouldn't be successful.



Read and learn:

One Vote Can Make a Difference
• In 1649, one vote caused Charles I of England to be executed
• In 1845, one vote brought Texas and California into the Union.
• In 1868, a single vote saved President Andrew Johnson from an impeachment conviction.
• In 1875, one vote changed France from a monarchy to a republic.
• In 1876, one vote gave Rutherford Hayes the Presidency of the United States.
• In 1982, In Illinois Jim Thompson defeated Adlai Stevenson by less than 1/2 a vote per precinct.
• In 1800, President Jefferson beat Aaron Burr by one vote in the House following an electoral tie.
• In 1941, one vote defeated a bill that would have killed the draft law--just months before Pearl Harbor.
• In 1920, one vote from an obscure state legislator gave all women the right to vote after 100 years of struggle.
• In 1923, one vote gave Adolph Hitler leadership of the Nazi Party.
• In 1776, one vote gave America the English language instead of German.
• In the 1829 election for the U.S. House of Representatives in Kentucky’s 2nd District, Jackson Democrat Nicholas Coleman defeated National Republican Adam Beatty 2,520 to 2,519.
• In the 1847 election for the U.S. House of Representatives in Indiana’s 6th District, Whig candidate George G. Dunn defeated Democratic candidate David M. Dobson 7,455 to 7,454. Also in 1847, Whig Thomas S. Flournoy defeated a Democratic candidate named Treadway 650 to 649 in the race for the U.S. House of Representatives in the 3rd District of Virginia.
• In the 1854 election for the U.S. House of Representatives in the 7th District of Illinois, Democratic candidate James C. Allen bested Republican William B. Archer 8,452 to 8,451.
• In the 1882 election for the U.S. House of Representatives in the 1st District of Virginia, Readjuster Robert M. Mayo defeated Democrat George T. Garrison 10,505 to 10,504.
• In 1977, Vermont State Representative Sydney Nixon was seated as an apparent one-vote winner, 570 to 569. Mr. Nixon resigned when the State House determined, after a recount, that he had lost to Robert Emond, 572 to 571.
• In 1989, a Lansing, Michigan School District millage proposition failed when the final recount produced a tie vote, 5,147 for, and 5,147 against. On the original vote count, votes against the proposition were ten more than those in favor. The result meant that the school district had to reduce its budget by $2.5 million.
• In 1994, Republican Randall Luthi and Independent Larry Call tied for the seat in the Wyoming House of Representatives from the Jackson Hole area, with 1,941 votes each. A recount produced the same result, Mr. Luthi was finally declared the winner when, in a drawing before the State Canvassing Board, a Ping Pong ball bearing his name was pulled from the cowboy hat of Democratic Governor Mike Sullivan
• In 1997, South Dakota Democrat John McIntyre led Republican Hal Wick 4,195-4,191 for the second seat in Legislative District 12 on election night. A subsequent recount showed Wick the winner at 4,192-4,191. The State Supreme Court, however, ruled that one ballot counted for Wick was invalid due to an overvote. This left the race a tie. After hearing argument from both sides, the State Legislature voted to seat Wick 46-20.
• In 1999, Leslie Byrne was elected to the Virginia Senate by 37 votes, less than one vote per precinct.
• Donald Sherwood was elected to the House of Representatives from Pennsylvania by a margin of 515 votes, less than one vote per precinct, making this election the closest House of Representatives race in 1998.
• Loretta Sanchez was elected to Congress from California by less than 4 votes per precinct in 1996.
• John F. Kennedy's margin of victory over Richard Nixon in 1960 was less than one vote per precinct.
• One vote per precinct passed woman suffrage in California in 1911.
• More than 50 of Missouri's municipal elections in 1993 ended in a tie.
• Several of our states, including California, Idaho, Oregon, Texas and Washington, became states by just ONE vote?
• In 1948, Lyndon B. Johnson, our 36th president, became a U.S. senator by a ONE vote margin?
• In 1948, if Thomas E. Dewey had gotten ONE vote more per precinct in Ohio and California, the presidential election would have been thrown to the U.S. House of Representatives, where Dewey enjoyed more support than his rival -- incumbent Harry S. Truman? In fact, Dewey was expected to win the general election by a landslide, so most Republicans stayed home. Only 51.5 percent of the electorate voted in 1948, and Truman defeated Dewey.
• In the 1960 presidential election, ONE additional vote per precinct in Illinois, Missouri, New Jersey and Texas would have denied John F. Kennedy the presidency and put Richard M. Nixon in office eight years earlier.
• In recent years, the outcomes of many state and congressional races have been reversed as recounts have shifted a handful of votes from one candidate to another.
Voting Information - Government Relations - NCRA

 

[Geaux4it]

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[PoliticalChic]

The Angel Moroni told him...

Perhaps you can tell me, then, who told Obama to fail at every domestic and foreign policy endeavor....?

Probably no one because he hasn't.

Now, fail, that pretty much does describe Bush. two wars, two recessions, a major city getting washed out to sea, a crashed stock market... that's what failure looks like.

"...he hasn't [proven to be a failure]."



Really....why do you make it so simple to prove you wrong???

Tell you what....since everyone in the world can see his failure in foreign policy decisions....I'll provide the domestic ones.

Then, after you lick your wounds, you can let me know if you would like the same for foreign policy failures.



1.More than 6.7 million more Americans have been plunged into poverty since Obama became President.

2.Real household income is down 5%

3. Consumer prices are up 10.2%

4. Total federal debt is up 58%

5. Gasoline prices are up 82%

6. Food stamp recipients up 49%

7. Debt held by the public is up 89%

However, the Obama administration recently projected an annual deficit of $750 billion in the fiscal year that began Oct. 1, and $626 billion the year after. At that rate, the debt owed to the public will more than double during the Obama presidency.
As of 2012, according to the most recent figures reported by the Census Bureau, median (midpoint) income for all U.S. households was $51,017, which was 4.9 percent lower (in inflation-adjusted dollars) than it was in 2008, the year before Obama took office.
The same story applies to family income, which includes many families with two earners. (The “household” figure includes single persons living alone, as well as families.) Median family income in 2012 was $62,241, or 5.1 percent below the inflation-adjusted 2008 level.
The number of persons living in poverty also worsened again in 2012, according to the most recent Census figures.

8. As of last year, 46,496,000 persons lived in households with income below the official poverty line, an increase of nearly 6.7 million since 2008 and 249,000 since 2011. The total poverty rate remained unchanged in 2012 at 15 percent of the total U.S. population. So for the second straight year, the poverty rate was 1.8 points higher than it was in 2008.
Obama?s Numbers, October Update

9... in today’s recovery — the slowest in the modern era going back to 1947 — private capital investment has lagged badly. ... so has the jobs situation, with 92 million dropping out of the workforce altogether. A labor-participation rate of 62.8% and an employment-to-population rate of 58% are historic lows indicative of the anemic jobs recovery. Big Business Swings Behind a Mantra of Growth - The New York Sun

10. Tavis Smiley: 'Black People Will Have Lost Ground in Every Single Economic Indicator' Under Obama
Tavis Smiley: 'Black People Will Have Lost Ground in Every Single Economic Indicator' Under Obama | NewsBusters

11. . ".... the... [dollar] has today a value of barely a 1,250th of an ounce of gold, a staggering plunge from an 853rd of an ounce on the day Mr. Obama took office...." Fiat Wages - The New York Sun


12. "CBO says deficits slated to shrink in coming years, but will soar again if spending or tax changes are not made

Federal deficits have soared between 2009 and 2012, bring the total long-term debt to a level equal to 73 percent of the nation’s GDP. “Between 2009 and 2012, the federal government recorded the largest budget deficits relative to the size of the economy since 1946, causing federal debt to soar.”
CBO says deficits slated to shrink in coming years, but will soar again if spending or tax changes are not made | Dallas Morning News

13. "Incomes Have Dropped Twice as Much During the 'Recovery' as During the Recession
. ...the Census Bureau's Current Population Survey ....indicate that the real (inflation-adjusted) median annual household income in America has fallen by 4.4 percent during the "recovery," after having fallen by 1.8 during the recession.
Incomes Have Dropped Twice as Much During the 'Recovery' as During the Recession | The Weekly Standard

14. "(CNSNews.com) - The real median income of American women dropped a little more than four percent in the first three full years after the end of the last recession,..... Census Bureau income data, the median income of American women was $21,520 in constant 2012 dollars. That was down $914 dollars—or about 4.1 percent—from 2009." Median Income of Women Dropped 4%--In First 3 Years of Recovery | CNS News

15. "US economy slowed to 0.1 percent growth rate in Q1
WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. economy slowed drastically in the first three months of the year... to a barely discernible 0.1 percent annual rate in the January-March quarter, the Commerce Department said Wednesday. That was the weakest pace since the end of 2012 and was down from a 2.6 percent rate in the previous quarter.... the anemic growth last quarter is surely a topic for discussion at the Federal Reserve's latest policy meeting,..."
My Way News - US economy slowed to 0.1 percent growth rate in Q1

16. "More Than 92 Million Americans Remain Out Of Labor Force
The unemployment rate dropped to 6.3 percent in April from 6.7 percent in March, the lowest it has been since September 2008 when it was 6.1 percent. The sharp drop, though, occurred because the number of people working or seeking work fell. The Bureau of Labor Statistics does not count people not looking for a job as unemployed.
The bureau noted that the civilian labor force dropped by 806,000 last month, following an increase of 503,000 in March."
Report: More Than 92 Million Americans Remain Out Of Labor Force « CBS DC
The amount (not seasonally adjusted) of Americans not in the labor force in April rose to 92,594,000, almost 1 million more than the previous month.




Your move.

White flag?

 

[JoeB131]

Perhaps you can tell me, then, who told Obama to fail at every domestic and foreign policy endeavor....?

Probably no one because he hasn't.

Now, fail, that pretty much does describe Bush. two wars, two recessions, a major city getting washed out to sea, a crashed stock market... that's what failure looks like.

"...he hasn't [proven to be a failure]."



Really....why do you make it so simple to prove you wrong???

Tell you what....since everyone in the world can see his failure in foreign policy decisions....I'll provide the domestic ones.

Then, after you lick your wounds, you can let me know if you would like the same for foreign policy failures.

Your move.

White flag?

Why bother. Frankly, watching you spew your Obama Derangement Syndrome is just kind of sad.

Here's the thing, you can cherry pick facts all day, but here's the measure of how Obama's done.

ROMNEY LOST!!!!!

You can spew about how many people are on food stamps or whatever, but the point was, you guys put up a Weird Mormon Robot, and the people said, "mehhhhhh, no thanks."

 

[NYcarbineer]

Obama's watch, moron.

Bush gave him cushion of three years to gain an agreement.




Here's one for you: who is more incompetent, Obama, or an Obama voter?

Take your time.

The fatal flaw in your argument, or accusation, is that neither the American people nor the Iraqi people wanted a significant American troop presence to remain beyond 2011.

You're blaming Obama for not getting something that there was no meaningful support for on either side.

And that is the difference between Obama and a real leader.


His vision extends no further that the tip of his nose.

What does that have to do with neither the people of the US nor the people of Iraq wanting a continued US troop presence?

You're accusing Obama of not having the 'vision' to impose a forced occupation on Iraq? lol

You may be the most ODS'ed person on this forum, and that's quite a bar to clear.

 

[JoeB131]

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What does that have to do with neither the people of the US nor the people of Iraq wanting a continued US troop presence?

You're accusing Obama of not having the 'vision' to impose a forced occupation on Iraq? lol

You may be the most ODS'ed person on this forum, and that's quite a bar to clear.

I think Mudwhistle is a little worse. But it's a tough call.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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1.More than 6.7 million more Americans have been plunged into poverty since Obama became President.

Do you deny once saying this?

It is “no home-no heat- no food.” That’s poverty.

Go ahead, deny it. If not,

then prove that 6.7 million people no longer have home, heat, and food since Obama became president.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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What does that have to do with neither the people of the US nor the people of Iraq wanting a continued US troop presence?

You're accusing Obama of not having the 'vision' to impose a forced occupation on Iraq? lol

You may be the most ODS'ed person on this forum, and that's quite a bar to clear.

I think Mudwhistle is a little worse. But it's a tough call.

No, she's the worst. Just because she takes longer to say (god, don't we know) doesn't make it any less deranged.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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What does that have to do with neither the people of the US nor the people of Iraq wanting a continued US troop presence?

You're accusing Obama of not having the 'vision' to impose a forced occupation on Iraq? lol

You may be the most ODS'ed person on this forum, and that's quite a bar to clear.

I think Mudwhistle is a little worse. But it's a tough call.

The marching orders in the rightwing cult are now that everything president Obama says or does must be attacked,

even if the cult agrees with it.

 

[Geaux4it]

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What does that have to do with neither the people of the US nor the people of Iraq wanting a continued US troop presence?

You're accusing Obama of not having the 'vision' to impose a forced occupation on Iraq? lol

You may be the most ODS'ed person on this forum, and that's quite a bar to clear.

I think Mudwhistle is a little worse. But it's a tough call.

The marching orders in the rightwing cult are now that everything president Obama says or does must be attacked,

even if the cult agrees with it.

You know why? It's because Obama can't be trusted and we surely don't have to explain why that is the norm

-Geaux