Romney's Bain Lie

[Some Guy]

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[Procrustes Stretched]

It is pretty standard to get in bed with the local bosses if you wish to set up shop in some cheap labor/resources shit hole. Even our government does it but we call it foreign aid rather than the bribes they are. The third world spins on greased palms, the question is not if Bain paid off brutal drug connected assholes but how could they have avoided it?

I'd say the questions are why would Romney pursue money in such a way, and what does that say about his character.

It is difficult to disagree with the rest of your analysis outside of the question posed.

I doubt most investment sharks are overly concerned with moral questions concerning their activities. It's just the vampire squid model of business in action, if they did not personally see the labor leader get beat to death in the back room of one of their factories it just isn't their concern.

Agreed. But Romney is a Bigwig in a mainstream American Church. Romney wears his morals and ethics on his sleeves. We are told Romney's character is beyond repute, but these truths reveal otherwise.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

error and correction

ROMNEY and BAIN's unusual, secretive, shady, Panamanian start

I hate to say "I told you so" - no I don't but follow the money.

Simple: follow the money


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Investing and consulting techniques?

Bain Capital
Bain Capital was founded in 1984 by Bain & Company partners Mitt Romney, T. Coleman Andrews III, and Eric Kriss. In 1983, Bill Bain offered Romney the chance to head a new venture that would invest in companies and apply Bain's consulting techniques to improve operations...New employees hired were generally in their twenties and top-ranked graduates from Stanford University or Harvard University, both of which Romney had attended...While Bain Capital was founded by Bain executives, the firm was not an affiliate or a division of Bain & Company but rather a completely separate company.

Why Panama?

Bank secrecy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Panama Banks Are The Most Secret in the World | ABC Article Directory

In the 1989 invasion of Panama by the United States he (Manuel Antonio Noriega Moreno[2] (Spanish pronunciation: [maˈnwel noˈɾjeɣa]; born February 11, 1934) is a former Panamanian politician and soldier. He was military governor of Panama from 1983 to 1989.) was removed from power, captured, detained as a prisoner of war, and flown to the United States. Noriega was tried on eight counts of drug trafficking, racketeering, and money laundering in April 1992.

The Romney campaign declined to comment on the specifics of Bain's early investors. Romney has argued that his offshore investments are entirely proper..."The world of finance is not as simple as some would have you believe," Romney said in an interview this week with National Review Online. ... About $9 million came from rich Latin Americans, including powerful Salvadoran families living in Miami during their country's brutal civil war.

The first outside investor in Bain was a leading London financier, Sir Jack Lyons, who made a $2.5-million investment through a Panama shell company set up by a Swiss money manager, further shielding his identity. Years later, Lyons was convicted in an unrelated stock fraud scandal.

"The world of finance is not as simple as some would have you believe," - Yeah, I bet.

Bain Capital started with help of offshore investors - latimes.com

"Despite months of negative advertising from Mr. Obama and his Democratic allies seeking to further define Mr. Romney as out of touch with the middle class and representative of wealthy interests, the poll shows little evidence of any substantial nationwide shift in attitudes about Mr. Romney."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/19/u...ndercutting-obama-support.html?pagewanted=all

You choose to post a link about a poll as a substantive argument refuting facts?

 

[g5000]

Follow the money and read the linked sources. Did Romney launder money? Did Romney know the convicted criminal Noriega?

Did Romney have ties to Noriega?

Attempts to smear Romney with "I'm just asking questions" are as transparent as vodka.

Pathetic.

 

[GuyPinestra]

Obamaturd is a lot worse than any republican. Keep trying fool, you are failing.

So you choose not to refute anything, you choose to ignore things, and you consider that winning?

Charlie? Mr. Sheen, is that really you?

It's intellectually impossible to refute supposition and innuendo, Dante.

But that's never stopped cretins like you in the past, I don't expect it will in the future, either.

 

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wow. thought I lost this one. Guess it was merged. makes sense. Ravi's thread and one starting with this post are almost identical.

ROMNEY and BAIN's unusual, secretive, shady, Panamanian start

I hate to say "I told you so" - no I don't but follow the money.

Simple: follow the money


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Investing and consulting techniques?

Bain Capital
Bain Capital was founded in 1984 by Bain & Company partners Mitt Romney, T. Coleman Andrews III, and Eric Kriss. In 1983, Bill Bain offered Romney the chance to head a new venture that would invest in companies and apply Bain's consulting techniques to improve operations...New employees hired were generally in their twenties and top-ranked graduates from Stanford University or Harvard University, both of which Romney had attended...While Bain Capital was founded by Bain executives, the firm was not an affiliate or a division of Bain & Company but rather a completely separate company.

Why Panama?

Bank secrecy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Panama Banks Are The Most Secret in the World | ABC Article Directory

In the 1989 invasion of Panama by the United States he (Manuel Antonio Noriega Moreno[2] (Spanish pronunciation: [maˈnwel noˈɾjeɣa]; born February 11, 1934) is a former Panamanian politician and soldier. He was military governor of Panama from 1983 to 1989.) was removed from power, captured, detained as a prisoner of war, and flown to the United States. Noriega was tried on eight counts of drug trafficking, racketeering, and money laundering in April 1992.

The Romney campaign declined to comment on the specifics of Bain's early investors. Romney has argued that his offshore investments are entirely proper..."The world of finance is not as simple as some would have you believe," Romney said in an interview this week with National Review Online. ... About $9 million came from rich Latin Americans, including powerful Salvadoran families living in Miami during their country's brutal civil war.

The first outside investor in Bain was a leading London financier, Sir Jack Lyons, who made a $2.5-million investment through a Panama shell company set up by a Swiss money manager, further shielding his identity. Years later, Lyons was convicted in an unrelated stock fraud scandal.

"The world of finance is not as simple as some would have you believe," - Yeah, I bet.

Bain Capital started with help of offshore investors - latimes.com

note: Romney's ties with Panama and money laundering Noriega start on page #143 of this thread. now moved to #2113 (permalink) #141 of this thread​

Dante's merged thread OP: ROMNEY and BAIN's unusual, secretive, shady, Panamanian start

 

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Obamaturd is a lot worse than any republican. Keep trying fool, you are failing.

So you choose not to refute anything, you choose to ignore things, and you consider that winning?

Charlie? Mr. Sheen, is that really you?

It's intellectually impossible to refute supposition and innuendo, Dante.

But that's never stopped cretins like you in the past, I don't expect it will in the future, either.

Supposition and innuendo? Did Romney start Bain Capital in Panama in the 1980s? YES

Was Panama a cesspool of corrupt financial practices in the 1980s? YES

Romney's BURIED TREASURE

A person who worked for Mitt Romney at the consulting firm Bain and Co. in 1977 remembers him with mixed feelings. “Mitt was … a really wonderful boss,” the former employee says. “He was nice, he was fair, he was logical, he said what he wanted … he was really encouraging.” But Bain and Co., the person recalls, pushed employees to find out secret revenue and sales data on its clients’ competitors.

Romney, the person says, suggested “falsifying” who they were to get such information, by pretending to be a graduate student working on a project at Harvard. (The person, in fact, was a Harvard student, at Bain for the summer, but not working on any such proj*ects.) “Mitt said to me something like ‘We won’t ask you to lie. I am not going to tell you to do this, but [it is] a really good way to get the information.’ … I would not have had anything in my analysis if I had not pretended.

“It was a strange atmosphere. It did leave a bad taste in your mouth,” the former employee recalls.

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Romney is a liar and a thief.

How many thieves do you know that give away 4 million dollars?

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His full Name is: Willard Mitt Romney

He was Born: March 12, 1947 and is 65 years old.

His Father: George W. Romney, former Governor of the State of Michigan

He was raised in Bloomfield Hills , Michigan

He is Married to Ann Romney since 1969; they five children.

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Bain Capital, starting with one small office supply store in Massachusetts , turned it into Staples; now over 2,000 stores employing 90,000 people.

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You may think that Romney may not be the best representative the Republicans could have selected. At least I know what religion he is, and that he won't desecrate the flag, bow down to foreign powers, or practice fiscal irresponsibility. I know he has the ability to turn this financial debacle that the current regime has gotten us into. We won't like all the things necessary to recover from this debt, but someone with Romney's background can do it. But, on the minus side, He never was a "Community Organizer", never took drugs or smoked pot, never got drunk, did not associate with communists or terrorists, nor did he attend a church whose pastor called for God to damn the US.

Investigation: Mitt Romney

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Dante's merged thread OP: ROMNEY and BAIN's unusual, secretive, shady, Panamanian start

 

[Buford]

Romney is a liar and a thief.

How many thieves do you know that give away 4 million dollars?

How many thieves do you know that perform the works Romney has ... for NO PAY?

It is you that is the liar!

But of course, you have a legitimate excuse...you're a fucking liberal!


His full Name is: Willard Mitt Romney

He was Born: March 12, 1947 and is 65 years old.

His Father: George W. Romney, former Governor of the State of Michigan

He was raised in Bloomfield Hills , Michigan

He is Married to Ann Romney since 1969; they five children.

Education:
B.A. from Brigham Young University ,

J.D. and M.B.A. from Harvard University

Religion:
Mormon - The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints

Working Background:

After high school, he spent 30 months in France as a Mormon missionary.

After going to both Harvard Business School and Harvard Law School simultaneously, he passed the Michigan bar exam, but never worked as an attorney.

In 1984, he co-founded Bain Capital a private equity investment firm, one of the largest such firms in the United States .

In 1994, he ran for Senator of Massachusetts and lost to Ted Kennedy.

He was President and CEO of the 2002 Winter Olympic Games.

In 2002, he was elected Governor of the State of Massachusetts where he eliminated a 1.5 billion deficit.

Some Interesting Facts about Romney:

Bain Capital, starting with one small office supply store in Massachusetts , turned it into Staples; now over 2,000 stores employing 90,000 people.

Bain Capital also worked to perform the same kinds of business miracles again and again, with companies like Domino's, Sealy, Brookstone, Weather Channel, Burger King, Warner Music Group, Dollarama, Home Depot Supply, and many others.

He was an unpaid volunteer campaign worker for his dad's gubernatorial campaign 1 year.

He was an unpaid intern in his dad's governor's office for eight years.

He was an unpaid bishop and state president of his church for ten years.

He was an unpaid President of the Salt Lake Olympic Committee for three years.

He took no salary and was the unpaid Governor of Massachusetts for four years.

He gave his entire inheritance from his father to charity.

Mitt Romney is one of the wealthiest self-made men in our country but has given more back to its citizens in terms of money, service and time than most men.

And in 2011 Mitt Romney gave over $4 million to charity, almost 19% of his income.... Just for comparison purposes, Obama gave 1% and Joe Biden gave $300 or .0013%.

Mitt Romney is Trustworthy:

He will show us his birth certificate

He will show us his high school and college transcripts.

He will show us his social security card.

He will show us his law degree.

He will show us his draft notice.

He will show us his medical records.

He will show us his income tax records.

He will show us he has nothing to hide.

Mitt Romney's background, experience and trustworthiness show him to be a great leader and an excellent citizen for President of the United States .

You may think that Romney may not be the best representative the Republicans could have selected. At least I know what religion he is, and that he won't desecrate the flag, bow down to foreign powers, or practice fiscal irresponsibility. I know he has the ability to turn this financial debacle that the current regime has gotten us into. We won't like all the things necessary to recover from this debt, but someone with Romney's background can do it. But, on the minus side, He never was a "Community Organizer", never took drugs or smoked pot, never got drunk, did not associate with communists or terrorists, nor did he attend a church whose pastor called for God to damn the US.

Investigation: Mitt Romney

More Americans went on disability last month than found jobs. Obama is a failure.

 

[Chris]

The story of postwar capitalism is the story of how the New Deal Democrats made sure we had high paying American jobs. The story of post Reagan capitalism is the story of how companies like Bain created massive profits for the elite by shipping American jobs to freedom-hating sweatshop nations.

The American private sector gets tax cuts on the promise that it will create American jobs. Then it uses those tax cuts to buy politicians who create the legal framework for destroying American jobs so an elite group of investors can benefit from cheap labor.

Mitt Romney represents an elite private sector in its war against American labor.

Guess what the private sector does with the extra profits it makes from not having to pay first world labor costs? It invests those profits into Republican talk radio ... which covers up the reality of who got rid of America's manufacturing base, and why.

 

[Buford]

The story of postwar capitalism is the story of how the New Deal Democrats made sure we had high paying American jobs. The story of post Reagan capitalism is the story of how companies like Bain created massive profits for the elite by shipping American jobs to freedom-hating sweatshop nations.

The American private sector gets tax cuts on the promise that it will create American jobs. Then it uses those tax cuts to buy politicians who create the legal framework for destroying American jobs so an elite group of investors can benefit from cheap labor.

Mitt Romney represents an elite private sector in its war against American labor.

Guess what the private sector does with the extra profits it makes from not having to pay first world labor costs? It invests those profits into Republican talk radio ... which covers up the reality of who got rid of America's manufacturing base, and why.

This is interesting. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...s-in-charge-of-bain-during-gst-steel-layoffs/

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

How many thieves do you know that give away 4 million dollars?

How many thieves do you know that perform the works Romney has ... for NO PAY?

It is you that is the liar!

But of course, you have a legitimate excuse...you're a fucking liberal!


His full Name is: Willard Mitt Romney

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Investigation: Mitt Romney

More Americans went on disability last month than found jobs. Obama is a failure.

Toxic aftereffect of Reaganomics. If Romney were President there would be no American Auto Industry left. Romney said if he were President, unlike Obama, he would have let the US Auto Industry die.

But then again, Romney likes Firing people

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Dante's merged thread OP: ROMNEY and BAIN's unusual, secretive, shady, Panamanian start

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

The story of postwar capitalism is the story of how the New Deal Democrats made sure we had high paying American jobs. The story of post Reagan capitalism is the story of how companies like Bain created massive profits for the elite by shipping American jobs to freedom-hating sweatshop nations.

The American private sector gets tax cuts on the promise that it will create American jobs. Then it uses those tax cuts to buy politicians who create the legal framework for destroying American jobs so an elite group of investors can benefit from cheap labor.

Mitt Romney represents an elite private sector in its war against American labor.

Guess what the private sector does with the extra profits it makes from not having to pay first world labor costs? It invests those profits into Republican talk radio ... which covers up the reality of who got rid of America's manufacturing base, and why.

This is interesting. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...s-in-charge-of-bain-during-gst-steel-layoffs/

A supporter of Obama is a bad guy? Romney has ties to Panama in the 1980s = Noriega?


Noriega and Panama?

Bank secrecy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Panama Banks Are The Most Secret in the World | ABC Article Directory

In the 1989 invasion of Panama by the United States he (Manuel Antonio Noriega Moreno[2] (Spanish pronunciation: [maˈnwel noˈɾjeɣa]; born February 11, 1934) is a former Panamanian politician and soldier. He was military governor of Panama from 1983 to 1989.) was removed from power, captured, detained as a prisoner of war, and flown to the United States. Noriega was tried on eight counts of drug trafficking, racketeering, and money laundering in April 1992.

The Romney campaign declined to comment on the specifics of Bain's early investors. Romney has argued that his offshore investments are entirely proper..."The world of finance is not as simple as some would have you believe," Romney said in an interview this week with National Review Online. ... About $9 million came from rich Latin Americans, including powerful Salvadoran families living in Miami during their country's brutal civil war.

The first outside investor in Bain was a leading London financier, Sir Jack Lyons, who made a $2.5-million investment through a Panama shell company set up by a Swiss money manager, further shielding his identity. Years later, Lyons was convicted in an unrelated stock fraud scandal.

"The world of finance is not as simple as some would have you believe," - Yeah, I bet.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-bain-creation-20120719,0,5698366,full.story

Dante's merged thread OP: ROMNEY and BAIN's unusual, secretive, shady, Panamanian start

 

[Buford]

Investigation: Mitt Romney

More Americans went on disability last month than found jobs. Obama is a failure.

Toxic aftereffect of Reaganomics. If Romney were President there would be no American Auto Industry left. Romney said if he were President, unlike Obama, he would have let the US Auto Industry die.

But then again, Romney likes Firing people

LOL. Obama is President, not Reagan. I see you're problem.....you live in a time warp.

 

[Valerie]

This is interesting. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...s-in-charge-of-bain-during-gst-steel-layoffs/

Why, yes, it is...

Oops!… Obama’s Top Bundler Jonathan Lavine Was In Charge of Bain During GST Steel Layoffs

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

More Americans went on disability last month than found jobs. Obama is a failure.

Toxic aftereffect of Reaganomics. If Romney were President there would be no American Auto Industry left. Romney said if he were President, unlike Obama, he would have let the US Auto Industry die.

But then again, Romney likes Firing people

LOL. Obama is President, not Reagan. I see you're problem.....you live in a time warp.

Romney likes firing people and Reaganomics was touted as a great American financial renaissance up until 2007 when the bills came marked: Due

Dante's merged thread OP: ROMNEY and BAIN's unusual, secretive, shady, Panamanian start​

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

This is interesting. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...s-in-charge-of-bain-during-gst-steel-layoffs/

Why, yes, it is...

Oops!… Obama’s Top Bundler Jonathan Lavine Was In Charge of Bain During GST Steel Layoffs

OMFG! Call the Dufus Patrol!!!!!

Obama backer is a Romney Doppelganger. ​

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and that lets Romney off the hook how? It's like you just gave credence to what you say is untrue about Romney.

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[GuyPinestra]

So you choose not to refute anything, you choose to ignore things, and you consider that winning?

Charlie? Mr. Sheen, is that really you?

It's intellectually impossible to refute supposition and innuendo, Dante.

But that's never stopped cretins like you in the past, I don't expect it will in the future, either.

Supposition and innuendo? Did Romney start Bain Capital in Panama in the 1980s? YES

Was Panama a cesspool of corrupt financial practices in the 1980s? YES

Romney's BURIED TREASURE

A person who worked for Mitt Romney at the consulting firm Bain and Co. in 1977 remembers him with mixed feelings. “Mitt was … a really wonderful boss,” the former employee says. “He was nice, he was fair, he was logical, he said what he wanted … he was really encouraging.” But Bain and Co., the person recalls, pushed employees to find out secret revenue and sales data on its clients’ competitors.

Romney, the person says, suggested “falsifying” who they were to get such information, by pretending to be a graduate student working on a project at Harvard. (The person, in fact, was a Harvard student, at Bain for the summer, but not working on any such proj*ects.) “Mitt said to me something like ‘We won’t ask you to lie. I am not going to tell you to do this, but [it is] a really good way to get the information.’ … I would not have had anything in my analysis if I had not pretended.

“It was a strange atmosphere. It did leave a bad taste in your mouth,” the former employee recalls.

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Dante's merged thread OP: ROMNEY and BAIN's unusual, secretive, shady, Panamanian start

Yeah, supposition and innuendo. You've not shown a damned thing that shows Romney had ties to Noriega, Panama, or El Salvador.

Nothing but smoke and mirrors. Ephemeral, kinda like your candidate.

 

[Chris]

Romney hid Sankaty from his public disclosures in violation of Mass. law.

Why?