Ron Paul's view upon Eric Snowden issue

[dblack]

They cheered them on. Don't you remember Bush Jr. Had a real hard time with this to.

Not sure what you mean. Who cheered who on?

The dems cheered on those who leaked.

Then or now? I'm still not sure what you're getting at. I was talking about the Dems who are now defending the surveillance state, when before they'd opposed it. Are you trying to make some point?

 

[earlycuyler]

if you've never read it, and you dont know who is and who is not a current congressional repsresentative, then I suggest you stop asking stupid fucking questions and start reading.

The rest of that tripe is irrelevant to the topic.

Ya, they should just listen to you right ? And you Paultards know all about being irrelevant to the topic don't ya ?

Apparently your reading comprehension is as good as your debate skills. No one said listen to me. I said fucking read. Something you apparently need some help with yourself, unsurprisingly.

There you go calling people tards again, tard. Give us another logical fallacy and make your self useful. Entertainment seems to be your strong suit. Logic, reason and comprehension, you should leave to others with more in the intellectual coffer, buddy.

Logical fallacy. You using that word so much only proves you are but a directionless Paultard. You resort to stealing another members favorite word. You do remember Allibaba right ? AKA Kosher girl ? I'm sure she would be flattered by you saying that so much. You just a typical pseudointellectual paultard that has yet to bring anything other then memes and opinion. Your almost as pig a douche as the OP.

 

[numan]

And that makes it all okay then ?

No. It makes it unbearably fucked up. We now live under the kind of regime we once despised.

^ we have become a national socialistic authoritarian state that uses it's power around the globe to bend the globe to it's will and it's power within to enslave the masses.

Instead of just putting a frigging lock on the pilot's cabin we created a MASSIVE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY. We invaded a dozen countries in response to the act of one man who was not even the leader of a country. Osama was a paid agent of the USA.

We threw out liberty for an extremely small measure of security and no longer deserve to be called Americans.

your posting proves that there are people in Texas who, at least on occasion, possess common sense.

.

 

[earlycuyler]

Not sure what you mean. Who cheered who on?

The dems cheered on those who leaked.

Then or now? I'm still not sure what you're getting at. I was talking about the Dems who are now defending the surveillance state, when before they'd opposed it. Are you trying to make some point?

If your paultardery is getting in the way you would see that's what i said. This crap is nothing new moron. Now go stroke your fellow paultards and stare at Ron Paul memes.

 

[earlycuyler]

Your three examples are not valid.

Daniel Ellsberg was 1971. (before the un-patriot act.)

Gary Webb Dark Alliance story was 1996. (before the un-patriot act.) Then after the 1996 outing of the CIA... in 2004 when he went after them again... he supposedly shot himself in the head "twice."



Jesselyn Radack - is the head of the whistle blower organization. She blew the whistle on one minor issue about one unlawful act by one FBI agent and an attempted coverup regarding whether the interrogated guy was mirandized. Hardly qualifies as an example.

And he was not endorsed by Ron Paul. Its fully valid. Snowden is nothing but a traitor who thought he was going to be taken under the wing of his communist brothers, instead, they took his bag of candy and booted his ass. After he saw that he was not the hero he hoped to be, and realizing that he will be snatched off a buss in some third world shit hole, he latched on to the Paultards and followers of the fat one. Dude is a punk. Nothing more.

Are you a raving lunatic? Who are these Paultards you keep talking about, who is "the fat one", and how did Snowden "latch on to them?" What makes you think he's a communist? That he took off to Hong Kong then Russia to avoid being killed in an "apparent suicide?"

Link ?

 

[dblack]

The dems cheered on those who leaked.

Then or now? I'm still not sure what you're getting at. I was talking about the Dems who are now defending the surveillance state, when before they'd opposed it. Are you trying to make some point?

If your paultardery is getting in the way you would see that's what i said. This crapnis nothing new moron. Now go stroke your fellow paultards and stare at Ron Paul mems.

Gotcha. crapnis. paultards. Clear as mud. er.. mems. Or something.

 

[earlycuyler]

No. It makes it unbearably fucked up. We now live under the kind of regime we once despised.

^ we have become a national socialistic authoritarian state that uses it's power around the globe to bend the globe to it's will and it's power within to enslave the masses.

Instead of just putting a frigging lock on the pilot's cabin we created a MASSIVE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY. We invaded a dozen countries in response to the act of one man who was not even the leader of a country. Osama was a paid agent of the USA.

We threw out liberty for an extremely small measure of security and no longer deserve to be called Americans.

your posting proves that there are people in Texas who, at least on occasion, possess common sense.

.

Not really. Watch who they replace Perry with.

 

[earlycuyler]

Then or now? I'm still not sure what you're getting at. I was talking about the Dems who are now defending the surveillance state, when before they'd opposed it. Are you trying to make some point?

If your paultardery is getting in the way you would see that's what i said. This crapnis nothing new moron. Now go stroke your fellow paultards and stare at Ron Paul mems.

Gotcha. crapnis. paultards. Clear as mud. er.. mems. Or something.

Like I said.

 

[dblack]

If your paultardery is getting in the way you would see that's what i said. This crapnis nothing new moron. Now go stroke your fellow paultards and stare at Ron Paul mems.

Gotcha. crapnis. paultards. Clear as mud. er.. mems. Or something.

Like I said.

Indeed!

 

[earlycuyler]

Your three examples are not valid.

Daniel Ellsberg was 1971. (before the un-patriot act.)

Gary Webb Dark Alliance story was 1996. (before the un-patriot act.) Then after the 1996 outing of the CIA... in 2004 when he went after them again... he supposedly shot himself in the head "twice."



Jesselyn Radack - is the head of the whistle blower organization. She blew the whistle on one minor issue about one unlawful act by one FBI agent and an attempted coverup regarding whether the interrogated guy was mirandized. Hardly qualifies as an example.

And he was not endorsed by Ron Paul. Its fully valid. Snowden is nothing but a traitor who thought he was going to be taken under the wing of his communist brothers, instead, they took his bag of candy and booted his ass. After he saw that he was not the hero he hoped to be, and realizing that he will be snatched off a buss in some third world shit hole, he latched on to the Paultards and followers of the fat one. Dude is a punk. Nothing more.

Are you a raving lunatic? Who are these Paultards you keep talking about, who is "the fat one", and how did Snowden "latch on to them?" What makes you think he's a communist? That he took off to Hong Kong then Russia to avoid being killed in an "apparent suicide?"

Most fake Texans are Paultards, and worship the fat one Alex Jones ( the guy you get your talking points from). And all the rest of your post is black helicopter bull shit. you missed it but, the wiki leaks guys are all breathing not to mention all the Bush Jr leakers are alive and well.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Ya, they should just listen to you right ? And you Paultards know all about being irrelevant to the topic don't ya ?

Apparently your reading comprehension is as good as your debate skills. No one said listen to me. I said fucking read. Something you apparently need some help with yourself, unsurprisingly.

There you go calling people tards again, tard. Give us another logical fallacy and make your self useful. Entertainment seems to be your strong suit. Logic, reason and comprehension, you should leave to others with more in the intellectual coffer, buddy.

Logical fallacy. You using that word so much only proves you are but a directionless Paultard. You resort to stealing another members favorite word. You do remember Allibaba right ? AKA Kosher girl ? I'm sure she would be flattered by you saying that so much. You just a typical pseudointellectual paultard that has yet to bring anything other then memes and opinion. Your almost as pig a douche as the OP.

I'm sure the irony escapes you, Corky.

I'm sure I have no pig douche for you, moron.

 

[nodoginnafight]

See Graphic:

and releasing classified information to the U.S. public isn't the same as releasing it to our enemies.

'cause none of us are gonna tell 'em


What an idiotic statement.
All pander - no logic.

If these tactics were only being used on our enemies, I doubt we'd be discussing them.

Oh the data-mining is not treason.
Everyone (who has been paying attention anyway) has know about that for some time. Repeating common knowledge is no big deal imho.

What is treason is all the info from his laptops that he dumped into their laps.

(takeastepback: Why not add something to the debate rather than just toss out snarky insults? just a suggestion)

 

[dblack]

And he was not endorsed by Ron Paul. Its fully valid. Snowden is nothing but a traitor who thought he was going to be taken under the wing of his communist brothers, instead, they took his bag of candy and booted his ass. After he saw that he was not the hero he hoped to be, and realizing that he will be snatched off a buss in some third world shit hole, he latched on to the Paultards and followers of the fat one. Dude is a punk. Nothing more.

Are you a raving lunatic? Who are these Paultards you keep talking about, who is "the fat one", and how did Snowden "latch on to them?" What makes you think he's a communist? That he took off to Hong Kong then Russia to avoid being killed in an "apparent suicide?"

Most fake Texans are Paultards, and worship the fat one Alex Jones ( the guy you get your talking points from). And all the rest of your post is black helicopter bull shit. you missed it but, the wiki leaks guys are all breathing not to mention all the Bush Jr leakers are alive and well.

See, this is what I mean by distraction. You've done everything you can to derail this thread, while contributing nothing of substance. You're simply pitching your insults around like so much chimp-shit.

Why not give civil discussion a shot? What are you afraid of?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

^ And this is why Ron Paul lost so much credibility in his district right here. First off Politicians go for the big one all the time and keep their jobs after. Paul Ryan is one example. Second, his presidential run was a flop out of the gate. Third, in his district, as soon as this weird Alex Jones crowed started following him ( mostly jilted Obama.supporters) he was done before he started as far as running for president go's . All that aside, Ron Paul was nothing more then a fad. An old ass washed up career politician who was facing crushing defeat in his district and worshiped by the 99%. You can have the moonbat. As for leaving, you can just go drink bleach. Its a public forum and I'll post what I please where I please and you can just cry to a mod or shut the fuck up. Sheesh, typical Paultard.

That's wonderfully irrelevant to the topic. Yes, you dont like ron paul. Great. Speaking of complete irrelevancy...Your opinion is just that. Thanks for stopping in to derail the topic so you could share with us the utmost in irrelevancy. Ah, irony. It's sometimes delicious.

^ More Paultardery. Say there Paul guy, wanna talk about irrelevant, how come thegeatfagsby had to pull Paul's blather off google images ? Its also on above top secret as well as the lunatic underground, but that's about it. Why is that ? Irrelevancy ? You Paultards know all about that.

And you can prove your assertion that he didn't?....link?

Snowden is a traitorous, self-serving sack of shit. I realize that people like you hold him up as some sort of hero. So tell me this; if he is such the hero, fighting for the people, then why is hiding like a coward in a nation with one of the worst human rights records in the world, and seeking asylum in other nations with equally appaling human rights records?

I dont need to prove a negative, you thundering dunderhead. The burden of proof is on the thos ewho make the accusation. it's not my responsibility to prove your no evidence claim is true.

Jesus you fucks are stupid.

^Prelude to a Paultard going critical.

Yes, because Ron Paul said so. Snowden should have made his case to the American people, not China or Russia. And if Paul gave such a fuck, he should have helped Snowden, not humped his name for political brownie points.

Snowden did that. He gave the information to the media. who reported it to the american people. Jeebus, you're a one stupid fucker. What was Paul suppose to do? I thought he was irrelevant? Stop humping Paul's leg for a minute and understand what's actually going on here. The government is saying that revealing informatin that they stole from teh american people tot he american people is criminal. They are trying, adn succeeding, at making their crime marginalized so you will demonize the man who exposed them. Who's the real traitors here?

Whoa Paultard. Slow it down there. This dude takes this info to a country that sells the organs of its convicts so he can save the freedom loving Americans . Bull shit. And Paul attempting to get press off this dirt bags crimes is just gross. And you paultards

Whoa Paultard. Slow it down there. This dude takes this info to a country that sells the organs of its convicts so he can save the freedom loving Americans . Bull shit. And Paul attempting to get press off this dirt bags crimes is just gross. And you paultards

So you have proof that snowden revealed information to china or russia? Link?

Its a given Paultard. At the very least, he facilitated them getting it. And he is naught but a skinny little nerd. What would stop them from just taking it ? Oh, and do us a favor, stop editing my quotes. Its just silly and confusing and doesn't help you hide the fact that
insignificant politician is insignificant, which is the opposite of what the OP was trying to say with the stupid Paul meme, not that Snowden was so.e type of hero.

I think the burden of proof lies with the government. Why do we as individuals have to prove our opinions? Give him his day in court and make the government prove their case. I'm open to the possibility that he did nothing wrong but at this point his own actions make him look guilty in my eyes.

The government is already proven to be guilty of criminal activity. Yet you want to focus on the guy who exposed them. What does this say about you or anyone else that argues from this point of view? Who are the real traitors here?

You Paultards are. If Snowden really gave a fuck, he would not have ran off to China. Well, at least this guy here didnt-

Daniel Ellsberg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Or this guy-

Gary Webb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Or her-

Jesselyn Radack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thees are patriots and hero's. They did not run off to China, and beg Russia and other nations that are considered unfriendly to the very people he claims to be looking out for. Typical Paultard, easily distracted by the memes and purty lights.

Its a given Paultard. At the very least, he facilitated them getting it. And he is naught but a skinny little nerd. What would stop them from just taking it ? Oh, and do us a favor, stop editing my quotes. Its just silly and confusing and doesn't help you hide the fact that
insignificant politician is insignificant, which is the opposite of what the OP was trying to say with the stupid Paul meme, not that Snowden was so.e type of hero.

So you have no proof. Shocking!

It's not a give - in, dullard.

If exposing the crimes of the government is criminal, then the government views the american people as the enemy. Afterall, they were spying on us and unconstitutionally (criminally) stealing our data. You can go on and on about how snowden did something you cant prove, but it's irrelevant to what Paul is saying (not that is shocks me your'e too stupid to grasp that).

The govt. is the one caught in a crime, not snowden.

Oh, and this is that paultarded thinking again. How bout you prove he did not give it to them ? Oh, you can't. Guess that makes you an irrelevant dullard.

Derp de derp derp derp, dullard.

^ Typical Paultard. Listless now that their master ain't got no juice, and is fading into obscurity.

Surrender? No, you have it all wrong. Both of you two pea brains morons.

Have fun with the fallacies!

^Yet you felt the need to respond. Paltard explosion. Soon to follow.

Ya, typical of the Paul worshiper. They say X and that's how it is because Paul says so in a meme, but if you say, well, why can't it be Z ? At that point they critique your spelling and syntax, they insult your intellect, and in the end, they resort to calling you a poopi head snott face and then run away. What fags. No wonder the guy went down so fast (thank God) in the primary.

Wait for it..........

Soon. The paultard can't stop coming back. Its a prelude to a melt down. He already did some, but the good stuff is coming.

Soon. The paultard can't stop coming back. Its a prelude to a melt down. He already did some, but the good stuff is coming.

You'll notice this isn't a debate anymore, dullard. Now Im just making fun of you for being intellectually bankrupt. But please, continue entertaining me.

Try your best, but you have not debated crap. You are intellectual milk toast.your ilk can only handle Google memes and facebook statements. You bring nothing so far but memes and shit from facebook. You are about one of the weakest paultards on USMB.

Only for awhile. I linked three cases of whistle blowing done right. In all 3 cases no one felt the need to run to an enemy of this country and spill the beans.

Your three examples are not valid.

Daniel Ellsberg was 1971. (before the un-patriot act.)

Gary Webb Dark Alliance story was 1996. (before the un-patriot act.) Then after the 1996 outing of the CIA... in 2004 when he went after them again... he supposedly shot himself in the head "twice."



Jesselyn Radack - is the head of the whistle blower organization. She blew the whistle on one minor issue about one unlawful act by one FBI agent and an attempted coverup regarding whether the interrogated guy was mirandized. Hardly qualifies as an example.

And he was not endorsed by Ron Paul. Its fully valid. Snowden is nothing but a traitor who thought he was going to be taken under the wing of his communist brothers, instead, they took his bag of candy and booted his ass. After he saw that he was not the hero he hoped to be, and realizing that he will be snatched off a buss in some third world shit hole, he latched on to the Paultards and followers of the fat one. Dude is a punk. Nothing more.

Nice spin, silly, but the best you've got I suspect.

[When did Ron Paul leave the H. of Rep.?]

Hey, what did the Patriot Act allow? I've never read it, but it seems it gave the Gov't (NSA and other Gov't agencies)s a good deal of power to 'investigate' us citizens. Being stripped searched, patted down and X-Rayed seems pretty damn intrusive to me. So what was illegal in what was done?

Oh, and BTW, how many citizens have been sent to the "GULAG" during the Bush or Obama Administrations?

Final question: What if Bush had "listened" in and arrested 19 terrorists in Boston on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001? Would you not be claiming him as a hero?

if you've never read it, and you dont know who is and who is not a current congressional repsresentative, then I suggest you stop asking stupid fucking questions and start reading.

The rest of that tripe is irrelevant to the topic.

Ya, they should just listen to you right ? And you Paultards know all about being irrelevant to the topic don't ya ?

Ya, they should just listen to you right ? And you Paultards know all about being irrelevant to the topic don't ya ?

Apparently your reading comprehension is as good as your debate skills. No one said listen to me. I said fucking read. Something you apparently need some help with yourself, unsurprisingly.

There you go calling people tards again, tard. Give us another logical fallacy and make your self useful. Entertainment seems to be your strong suit. Logic, reason and comprehension, you should leave to others with more in the intellectual coffer, buddy.

Logical fallacy. You using that word so much only proves you are but a directionless Paultard. You resort to stealing another members favorite word. You do remember Allibaba right ? AKA Kosher girl ? I'm sure she would be flattered by you saying that so much. You just a typical pseudointellectual paultard that has yet to bring anything other then memes and opinion. Your almost as pig a douche as the OP.

And he was not endorsed by Ron Paul. Its fully valid. Snowden is nothing but a traitor who thought he was going to be taken under the wing of his communist brothers, instead, they took his bag of candy and booted his ass. After he saw that he was not the hero he hoped to be, and realizing that he will be snatched off a buss in some third world shit hole, he latched on to the Paultards and followers of the fat one. Dude is a punk. Nothing more.

Are you a raving lunatic? Who are these Paultards you keep talking about, who is "the fat one", and how did Snowden "latch on to them?" What makes you think he's a communist? That he took off to Hong Kong then Russia to avoid being killed in an "apparent suicide?"

Most fake Texans are Paultards, and worship the fat one Alex Jones ( the guy you get your talking points from). And all the rest of your post is black helicopter bull shit. you missed it but, the wiki leaks guys are all breathing not to mention all the Bush Jr leakers are alive and well.

Ah, the sweet and delicious smell of irony.

 

[numan]

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That posting is a bit too long.

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[TheGreatGatsby]

Snowden did that. He gave the information to the media. who reported it to the american people. Jeebus, you're a one stupid fucker. What was Paul suppose to do? I thought he was irrelevant? Stop humping Paul's leg for a minute and understand what's actually going on here. The government is saying that revealing informatin that they stole from teh american people tot he american people is criminal. They are trying, adn succeeding, at making their crime marginalized so you will demonize the man who exposed them. Who's the real traitors here?

Whoa Paultard. Slow it down there. This dude takes this info to a country that sells the organs of its convicts so he can save the freedom loving Americans . Bull shit. And Paul attempting to get press off this dirt bags crimes is just gross. And you paultards

So you have proof that snowden revealed information to china or russia? Link?

I'm sure he's privy to the 'secret charges.'

 

[RKMBrown]

And he was not endorsed by Ron Paul. Its fully valid. Snowden is nothing but a traitor who thought he was going to be taken under the wing of his communist brothers, instead, they took his bag of candy and booted his ass. After he saw that he was not the hero he hoped to be, and realizing that he will be snatched off a buss in some third world shit hole, he latched on to the Paultards and followers of the fat one. Dude is a punk. Nothing more.

Are you a raving lunatic? Who are these Paultards you keep talking about, who is "the fat one", and how did Snowden "latch on to them?" What makes you think he's a communist? That he took off to Hong Kong then Russia to avoid being killed in an "apparent suicide?"

Most fake Texans are Paultards, and worship the fat one Alex Jones ( the guy you get your talking points from). And all the rest of your post is black helicopter bull shit. you missed it but, the wiki leaks guys are all breathing not to mention all the Bush Jr leakers are alive and well.

You can't be this stupid. Your own choice of examples provided a death by suicide cia killing. Worship Alex Jones? Who the blank is that? I worship no man you prick. Fake Texan? You don't like my hat sissy boy? Black helicopters? You mean like the ones the Scumbag in chief is supplying our police swat teams with? All leakers are alive and well? ROFL yeah cause our government has never had anyone killed. Back to sleep little one.

 

[RKMBrown]

^ we have become a national socialistic authoritarian state that uses it's power around the globe to bend the globe to it's will and it's power within to enslave the masses.

Instead of just putting a frigging lock on the pilot's cabin we created a MASSIVE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY. We invaded a dozen countries in response to the act of one man who was not even the leader of a country. Osama was a paid agent of the USA.

We threw out liberty for an extremely small measure of security and no longer deserve to be called Americans.

your posting proves that there are people in Texas who, at least on occasion, possess common sense.

.

Not really. Watch who they replace Perry with.

Ugg.. please don't confuse the republican party with conservative Texans. The texas republican party is run entirely by ex-Democrats.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

and releasing classified information to the U.S. public isn't the same as releasing it to our enemies.

'cause none of us are gonna tell 'em


What an idiotic statement.
All pander - no logic.

If these tactics were only being used on our enemies, I doubt we'd be discussing them.

Oh the data-mining is not treason.
Everyone (who has been paying attention anyway) has know about that for some time. Repeating common knowledge is no big deal imho.

What is treason is all the info from his laptops that he dumped into their laps.

(takeastepback: Why not add something to the debate rather than just toss out snarky insults? just a suggestion)

Clearly, you have a dog in the fight. Don't worry. We've seen this tactic from libs on this board time and time again. Showing up on the presumption of 'objectivity' and then self righteously advocating for the liberal side. I almost called it a liberal cause, but there's no such thing. If Bush was in office, you'd be celebrating Snowden as a hero.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

See Graphic:

and releasing classified information to the U.S. public isn't the same as releasing it to our enemies.

'cause none of us are gonna tell 'em


What an idiotic statement.
All pander - no logic.

There's a thing in law, called intent. You should study up on it. Clearly, Snowden's actions were on behalf of Americans, not terrorists.