Roosevelt, Stalin and The Elusive "Second Front"

PC is stupid, simply. It has little to do with IQ but with inability or unwillingness to learn, to confront one's confirmation bias, one's willingness to engage cognitive dissonance.

If she had stayed in North Korea, PC would have done well in an authoritarian state.
 
Harry White's Creed, which PC hates

"I believe in freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of the press, freedom of criticism...
Such pretty words.

Let's look at White's deeds: Pearl Harbor 2.0 TIME.com

I suggested that drop-draws challenge me to prove that White was influential in turning China over to the communists, but he ran away and hid.

You need to prove this OP before you fail in the next. :)


Your refusing to accept the truth is a statement about your lack of honesty, certainly not that I fail.

I never do.
 
Seems that any scholarly revelation about Franklin Roosevelt produces the sort of ire that one would expect in response to a slur about one's dear, departed- and saintly- mom!

An earlier thread resulted in this unwarranted attack:

"I've accused you of being dishonest on one and an unqualified sloppy researcher on the other. Still you deflect, and refuse to respond on those topics, instead wanting to start a discussion on the old stand-by FDR was a communist tool of Stalin fantasy." Roosevelt s Great Depression Page 30 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum




What can I say? I'm left no course of action but to reveal more facts about Franklin Roosevelt that his devotees would rather left hidden.
Perhaps a stiff dose of the truth will prove to be a sort of shock therapy for these ....disciples.



Let's begin:

From well before his election, the liar- it is well documented that he was a liar- was a totalitarian aficionado: a dictator who adored other dictators.


1. For proper context, it is important to remember that the economic policies of Hitler, Mussolini, and Franklin Roosevelt were...sympatico.
And, consdier that the policies and view of Hitler and Stalin where, for the most part, identical....right down to genocide and concentration camps as government policy. Karl Marx had been the first political thinker to support same.

a. . "Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.




2. Hitler and Stalin were, essentially, clones. And, allies until 'Operation Barbarossa,...22 June 1941,... was the code name for Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union during World War II."
Operation Barbarossa - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

a. Where does Franklin Roosevelt come in? " Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p. 48


Perhaps a closer look at Franklin Delano Roosevelt's intentions are long overdue.

Did you, PC, earn a certificate in Character Assassination at the Columbia Abnormal School?
 
PC is stupid, simply. It has little to do with IQ but with inability or unwillingness to learn, to confront one's confirmation bias, one's willingness to engage cognitive dissonance.

If she had stayed in North Korea, PC would have done well in an authoritarian state.




I love how I reduced you to making up lies about me, admitting that you cannot refute the OP.

After, what....some dozen or so posts....you still cannot find a single error.
Keep up the good work.
 
Seems that any scholarly revelation about Franklin Roosevelt produces the sort of ire that one would expect in response to a slur about one's dear, departed- and saintly- mom!

An earlier thread resulted in this unwarranted attack:

"I've accused you of being dishonest on one and an unqualified sloppy researcher on the other. Still you deflect, and refuse to respond on those topics, instead wanting to start a discussion on the old stand-by FDR was a communist tool of Stalin fantasy." Roosevelt s Great Depression Page 30 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum




What can I say? I'm left no course of action but to reveal more facts about Franklin Roosevelt that his devotees would rather left hidden.
Perhaps a stiff dose of the truth will prove to be a sort of shock therapy for these ....disciples.



Let's begin:

From well before his election, the liar- it is well documented that he was a liar- was a totalitarian aficionado: a dictator who adored other dictators.


1. For proper context, it is important to remember that the economic policies of Hitler, Mussolini, and Franklin Roosevelt were...sympatico.
And, consdier that the policies and view of Hitler and Stalin where, for the most part, identical....right down to genocide and concentration camps as government policy. Karl Marx had been the first political thinker to support same.

a. . "Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.




2. Hitler and Stalin were, essentially, clones. And, allies until 'Operation Barbarossa,...22 June 1941,... was the code name for Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union during World War II."
Operation Barbarossa - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

a. Where does Franklin Roosevelt come in? " Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p. 48


Perhaps a closer look at Franklin Delano Roosevelt's intentions are long overdue.

Did you, PC, earn a certificate in Character Assassination at the Columbia Abnormal School?



Oh, here comes another one.

What am I, a bug light for freaks???
 
Now....how to explain Roosevelt's joined-at-the-hip relationship with the pathological murderer, Joseph Stalin.

Earlier, I noted how closely Roosevelt mirrored the policies of other totalitarian dictators....Stalin, Mussolini, and Hitler.

But could there be other factors that pushed him to follow the communist leader?



7. Who could have had Roosevelt's ear? Certainly not Harry Hopkins, FDR's live-in aide and adviser?
Hopkins actually lived in the White House.


a. Harry Hopkins,- FDR's alter ego, co-president, or Rasputin, "...the closest and most influential adviser to President Franklin D. Roosevelt during World War II, was a Soviet agent." and “the most important of all Soviet wartime agents in the United States.
The Treachery Of Harry Hopkins
The Treachery Of Harry Hopkins



b. According to Soviet records, in May of 1942, Harry Hopkins privately coached Foreign Minister Molotov on what to say to FDR to overcome US military arguments against a 'second front' in France.
Eduard Mark, " Venona's source 19 and the 'Trident' Conference of May 1943: diplomacy or espionage?," p.20
(see EBSEES Mark Eduard Venona s source 19 and the Trident Conference of May 1943 diplomacy or espionage




c. And “Mr. Molotoff Came to Plead for a Second Front,”New York Times,June 13, 1942.
And, referring to Soviet records of the Hopkins/Molotov meetings: Harry Hopkins A Glimpse into the Russian Records - DocumentsTalk.com


So....proof of FDR's leaning toward the communist homeland begins in 1933, he offers Stalin all the resources of the United States in 1940, and he gives room and board to a Soviet spy.

No problem for the Leftist simpletons who are still defending him.
 
It is obvious PC will not answer the question I have asked so often about what was Chesly Manly, Col McCormick and the American Party. Manly was a pen name for Col McCormick, the notorious fascist owner of the Chicago Tribune that published the War Departments secret war contingency plans for recommended actions to be taken if war with Germany were to break out. They were called the Rainbow 5 documents and displayed on the front page of the Tribune on Dec. 4, 1941. Hitler used the revelation of the top secret documents in his Declaration of War against the United States.
 
It is obvious PC will not answer the question I have asked so often about what was Chesly Manly, Col McCormick and the American Party. Manly was a pen name for Col McCormick, the notorious fascist owner of the Chicago Tribune that published the War Departments secret war contingency plans for recommended actions to be taken if war with Germany were to break out. They were called the Rainbow 5 documents and displayed on the front page of the Tribune on Dec. 4, 1941. Hitler used the revelation of the top secret documents in his Declaration of War against the United States.



That's your beef?

Not that the statement is the truth?


So.....you admit, at least, that every other single thing in the thread is true, correct, and accurate.

Great!
We're making headway.
 
[Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939
Nov 27, 2007 by Wolfgang Schivelbusch....if you ever decide to educate yourself.
I'm never wrong......learn that.

You are wrong about this, and Professor Schivelbush would curse you to your face for the misuse and corruption of his work for your evil purposes. You are a little Nazi.



Are you claiming to have read Schivelbusch's book????



Now....don't run off and hide......answer the question.
 
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It is obvious PC will not answer the question I have asked so often about what was Chesly Manly, Col McCormick and the American Party. Manly was a pen name for Col McCormick, the notorious fascist owner of the Chicago Tribune that published the War Departments secret war contingency plans for recommended actions to be taken if war with Germany were to break out. They were called the Rainbow 5 documents and displayed on the front page of the Tribune on Dec. 4, 1941. Hitler used the revelation of the top secret documents in his Declaration of War against the United States.



That's your beef?

Not that the statement is the truth?


So.....you admit, at least, that every other single thing in the thread is true, correct, and accurate.

Great!
We're making headway.
No stupid, I already showed you how the quote you used by Manly in this thread was garbage. I am giving the readers of this thread and other garbage threads where you use Manly quotes an opportunity to see for themselves that you are dependent on a very subjective and controversial source that can not be trusted. I trust nothing from the Manly cesspool of untraceable sources. It's all just propaganda and agenda driven misinformation.
 
Oh, I get it. PC thinks we should have fought the germans and the russians at the same time. Thankfully, saner heads prevailed.



Actually, I believe you do get it....you just won't admit it.

Trust me.....tell the truth, even if it costs you your Liberal creds.

You'll feel better about yourself.
 
It is obvious PC will not answer the question I have asked so often about what was Chesly Manly, Col McCormick and the American Party. Manly was a pen name for Col McCormick, the notorious fascist owner of the Chicago Tribune that published the War Departments secret war contingency plans for recommended actions to be taken if war with Germany were to break out. They were called the Rainbow 5 documents and displayed on the front page of the Tribune on Dec. 4, 1941. Hitler used the revelation of the top secret documents in his Declaration of War against the United States.



That's your beef?

Not that the statement is the truth?


So.....you admit, at least, that every other single thing in the thread is true, correct, and accurate.

Great!
We're making headway.
No stupid, I already showed you how the quote you used by Manly in this thread was garbage. I am giving the readers of this thread and other garbage threads where you use Manly quotes an opportunity to see for themselves that you are dependent on a very subjective and controversial source that can not be trusted. I trust nothing from the Manly cesspool of untraceable sources. It's all just propaganda and agenda driven misinformation.



Posts #57 and #87 showed you were lying.
 
Oh, I get it. PC thinks we should have fought the germans and the russians at the same time. Thankfully, saner heads prevailed.



Actually, I believe you do get it....you just won't admit it.

Trust me.....tell the truth, even if it costs you your Liberal creds.

You'll feel better about yourself.
I get that you think the Americans could have defeated the Nazis and the Soviets in one fell swoop. It just wasn't possible.
 
Oh, and you are mad that Korea became communist....but in the long run it would have been worse if Hitler had taken them over.
 
Oh, I get it. PC thinks we should have fought the germans and the russians at the same time. Thankfully, saner heads prevailed.



Actually, I believe you do get it....you just won't admit it.

Trust me.....tell the truth, even if it costs you your Liberal creds.

You'll feel better about yourself.
I get that you think the Americans could have defeated the Nazis and the Soviets in one fell swoop. It just wasn't possible.


1. My posts proved the similarities between the New Deal and the other dictatorships.

2. And, that Roosevelt followed Stalin's orders.

3. I haven't posted, here, about defeating the Nazis and the Soviets.
But...if you're asking, I agree with this:
. What could, should have happened?
When the (anticipated) event that Hitler would attack Stalin's Russia, as they did June 21st, 1941,America should have done nothing...no more than relaxing restrictions on exports to the Russians...but at the same time securing a quid pro quo for further assistance! Lend-Lease should not have been the automatic and unlimited buffet that it turned into!

"Finally, should the Soviet regime fall,...we should refuse to recognize a Communist government-in-exile,leaving the path clear for establishment for a non-Communist government in Russia after the war." These were the words of Loy Henderson, Soviet and Eastern European affairs expert and Foreign Service officer, as quoted by Martin Weil in "A pretty good club: The founding fathers of the U.S. Foreign Service," p. 106.
 
Oh, and you are mad that Korea became communist....but in the long run it would have been worse if Hitler had taken them over.

I haven't said anything about Korea, merely that the Korean War occurred because Soviet spies gave the communists the atomic bomb.
And communist spies were welcomed in the Roosevelt administration.
 
Dictatorships don't have democratic elections.

Total fail thread PC.


I should get some sort of credit for educating you.

1. The latest variation of totalitarianism is neither religious, nor even political: it is cultural. “Totalitarian democracy” is a term made famous by J. L. Talmon to refer to a system of government in which lawfully elected representatives maintain the integrity of a nation state whose citizens, while granted the right to vote, have little or no participation in the decision-making process of the government.
 

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