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Wow! PC just wrote a lopsided, subjective, non-objective hit piece without any real rebuttal or modern scholarship. Clearly, her claim that she graduated from a premier university (CU) is a lie, based on the above.
You still can't find even one example to back up your lies???
I keep asking, now begging, for you to get this information to America's historians. Apparently you have sources and knowledge unavailable to them and so they keep rating FDR (since 1948) as one of the greatest American presidents. Please act before the historians rate presidents again, and above all, let us know how the historians respond to your valuable information.Well that's a nice way of saying that when you side loses you have to make some excuses for the General......Your shoe is untied,...
I can see that the strain of actually making a coherent point is stultifying for you....so let me help.
I assume that you were trying to find a way to mitigate the harm that Harry Dexter White and all the other Soviet spies that Franklin Roosevelt invited into his administration, accomplished.
In that, you'd be sadly mistaken.
Not only was White a spy, but he used his position to block the Chinese nationalists when he could and handed China to the communists.
Harry Truman, at least until he learned better, supported Stalin, White, and the communists ensconced in the Roosevelt administration.
I dare you to challenge the veracity of this post.
In fact, I double dog dare you.
It was proven after Whites death in 1948 that he was a spy, buy not a spy which subverted any policies...
Absolutely wrong.
I notice you didn't take me up on the challenge...."Well that's a nice way of saying" that you know that White did the damage that I just stated: he handed China to Mao, and that resulted in the Korean War...
It is important to connect the treachery with the impact of that treachery: the theft of the nuclear technology with 36,940 Americans killed, 91,134 wounded, and 8,176 still missing, and this does not include at least two million civilian lives claimed on both sides.
Bruce Cumings, "The Korean War: A History.'
Included were 1.3 million South Korean casualties, including 400,000 dead. North Korea, 2 million casualties, and 900,000 Chinese soldiers killed.
The blame goes to FDR, Harry White and other spies, as well as Stalin.
You are a JBS stooge, and all of your silliness above has been disproven on this Board many times.
So, for intelligent and patriotic Americans, PoliticalChic does not get "just once more."
Nothing that I've posted has been 'proven untrue'.....especially when I revealed you to be a lying imbecile.
Seems that any scholarly revelation about Franklin Roosevelt produces the sort of ire that one would expect in response to a slur about one's dear, departed- and saintly- mom!
An earlier thread resulted in this unwarranted attack:
"I've accused you of being dishonest on one and an unqualified sloppy researcher on the other. Still you deflect, and refuse to respond on those topics, instead wanting to start a discussion on the old stand-by FDR was a communist tool of Stalin fantasy." Roosevelt s Great Depression Page 30 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
What can I say? I'm left no course of action but to reveal more facts about Franklin Roosevelt that his devotees would rather left hidden.
Perhaps a stiff dose of the truth will prove to be a sort of shock therapy for these ....disciples.
Let's begin:
From well before his election, the liar- it is well documented that he was a liar- was a totalitarian aficionado: a dictator who adored other dictators.
1. For proper context, it is important to remember that the economic policies of Hitler, Mussolini, and Franklin Roosevelt were...sympatico.
And, consdier that the policies and view of Hitler and Stalin where, for the most part, identical....right down to genocide and concentration camps as government policy. Karl Marx had been the first political thinker to support same.
a. . "Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.
2. Hitler and Stalin were, essentially, clones. And, allies until 'Operation Barbarossa,...22 June 1941,... was the code name for Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union during World War II."
Operation Barbarossa - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
a. Where does Franklin Roosevelt come in? " Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p. 48
Perhaps a closer look at Franklin Delano Roosevelt's intentions are long overdue.
Sounds like you got your ass handed to you on one thread, and now need it handed to you on this thread.
Wiki can be a good source for quick fun facts, but it seems if you were serious about your research, you'd be using other sources.
Now, what's brought on all this fuss about FDR? I think the fuss is all about the wonderful documentary that came out a few months ago, reminding us all of how it takes a Democrat to come in and turn a financial collapse around, not unlike the 2007-08 collapse.
Let's see you find anything not true, you dope.
I think I've already made my point.
Not one example of anything I've posted that isn't the truth.
That identifies you as a moron who specializes in "I hate you" posts.
Now...get back into your sewer.
Seems that any scholarly revelation about Franklin Roosevelt produces the sort of ire that one would expect in response to a slur about one's dear, departed- and saintly- mom!
An earlier thread resulted in this unwarranted attack:
"I've accused you of being dishonest on one and an unqualified sloppy researcher on the other. Still you deflect, and refuse to respond on those topics, instead wanting to start a discussion on the old stand-by FDR was a communist tool of Stalin fantasy." Roosevelt s Great Depression Page 30 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
What can I say? I'm left no course of action but to reveal more facts about Franklin Roosevelt that his devotees would rather left hidden.
Perhaps a stiff dose of the truth will prove to be a sort of shock therapy for these ....disciples.
Let's begin:
From well before his election, the liar- it is well documented that he was a liar- was a totalitarian aficionado: a dictator who adored other dictators.
1. For proper context, it is important to remember that the economic policies of Hitler, Mussolini, and Franklin Roosevelt were...sympatico.
And, consdier that the policies and view of Hitler and Stalin where, for the most part, identical....right down to genocide and concentration camps as government policy. Karl Marx had been the first political thinker to support same.
a. . "Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.
2. Hitler and Stalin were, essentially, clones. And, allies until 'Operation Barbarossa,...22 June 1941,... was the code name for Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union during World War II."
Operation Barbarossa - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
a. Where does Franklin Roosevelt come in? " Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p. 48
Perhaps a closer look at Franklin Delano Roosevelt's intentions are long overdue.
Sounds like you got your ass handed to you on one thread, and now need it handed to you on this thread.
Wiki can be a good source for quick fun facts, but it seems if you were serious about your research, you'd be using other sources.
Now, what's brought on all this fuss about FDR? I think the fuss is all about the wonderful documentary that came out a few months ago, reminding us all of how it takes a Democrat to come in and turn a financial collapse around, not unlike the 2007-08 collapse.
Let's see you find anything not true, you dope.
I think I've already made my point.
Not one example of anything I've posted that isn't the truth.
That identifies you as a moron who specializes in "I hate you" posts.
Now...get back into your sewer.
Oh Gawd, that means I'll have to read and sort through your garbage. Okay, I'll do it.
I'll do it as soon as I'm finished with my errands. Right now I've got places to go and people to see!
FDR supporters, America's best historians, and
I keep asking, now begging, for you to get this information to America's historians. Apparently you have sources and knowledge unavailable to them and so they keep rating FDR (since 1948) as one of the greatest American presidents. Please act before the historians rate presidents again, and above all, let us know how the historians respond to your valuable information.Well that's a nice way of saying that when you side loses you have to make some excuses for the General......I can see that the strain of actually making a coherent point is stultifying for you....so let me help.
I assume that you were trying to find a way to mitigate the harm that Harry Dexter White and all the other Soviet spies that Franklin Roosevelt invited into his administration, accomplished.
In that, you'd be sadly mistaken.
Not only was White a spy, but he used his position to block the Chinese nationalists when he could and handed China to the communists.
Harry Truman, at least until he learned better, supported Stalin, White, and the communists ensconced in the Roosevelt administration.
I dare you to challenge the veracity of this post.
In fact, I double dog dare you.
It was proven after Whites death in 1948 that he was a spy, buy not a spy which subverted any policies...
Absolutely wrong.
I notice you didn't take me up on the challenge...."Well that's a nice way of saying" that you know that White did the damage that I just stated: he handed China to Mao, and that resulted in the Korean War...
It is important to connect the treachery with the impact of that treachery: the theft of the nuclear technology with 36,940 Americans killed, 91,134 wounded, and 8,176 still missing, and this does not include at least two million civilian lives claimed on both sides.
Bruce Cumings, "The Korean War: A History.'
Included were 1.3 million South Korean casualties, including 400,000 dead. North Korea, 2 million casualties, and 900,000 Chinese soldiers killed.
The blame goes to FDR, Harry White and other spies, as well as Stalin.
You are a JBS stooge, and all of your silliness above has been disproven on this Board many times.
So, for intelligent and patriotic Americans, PoliticalChic does not get "just once more."
Nothing that I've posted has been 'proven untrue'.....especially when I revealed you to be a lying imbecile.
Your thesis is an example of entire error, PC.
Um, no, only in your imagination. You don't even understand the butters and guns narrative.Easy. "Fascism did not aquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to the Soviet Union," Chesly Manly "The 20 Year Revolution" P. 48. Your quote used in your OP.How about if you attempt to refrain from deflecting and answer the question? Explain your source by explaining Chesly Manly, Col. McCormick and the American Party.
How about you show any error in the statement.
If you cannot, admit that your sole mission is to shield Roosevelt from the contumely he so correctly deserves.
There was an attempt at a coup by fascist in 1933. It was called the Business Plot and exposed by Maj. General Smedley Butler the most highly decorated Marine in history at the time of his death. He was awarded two Medals of Honor.
The Black Legion and Silver Legion were two fascist groups connected to the Klu Klux Klan of the 1930's, as was the American Bund.
Your quote by Manly is misleading. It suggest that Washington was not aware of the dangers or evilness of fascism. Clearly that was not the case.
So now answer the question that you keep deflecting from. Who should the readers believe, a highly decorated Marine Corps Major General and most highly decorated combat veteran of his time, or whatever this Chesly Manly pen name was? Hint, McCormick and the Chicago Tribune and the American Party.
Watch me eviscerate you:
- English and French commentators routinely depicted Roosevelt as akin to Mussolini. A more specific reason why, in 1933, the New Deal was often compared with Fascism was that with the help of a massive propaganda campaign, Italy had transitioned from a liberal free-market system to a state-run corporatist one. And corporatism was considered by elitists and intellectuals as the perfect response to the collapse of the liberal free-market economy, as was the national self-sufficiency of the Stalinist Soviet Union. The National Recovery Administration was comparable to Mussolini’s corporatism as both had state control without actual expropriation of private property.
- Mussolini wrote a book review of Roosevelt’s “Looking Forward,” in which he said “…[as] Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people.” Popolo d’Italia, July 7, 1933.
- In 1934, Mussolini wrote a review of “New Frontiers,” by FDR’s Sec’y of Agriculture, later Vice-President, Henry Wallace: “Wallace’s answer to what America wants is as follows: anything but a return tyo the free-market, i.e., anarchistic economy. Where is America headed? This book leaves no doubt that it is on the road to corporatism, the economic system of the current century.” Marco Sedda, Il politico, vol. 64, p. 263.
- “The similarities of the economics of the New Deal to the economics of Mussolini’s corporative state or Hitler’s totalitarian state are both close and obvious.” Norman Thomas, head of the American Socialist Party.
- 1. The Fascism of the 30’s was hardly new on the scene. In fact, by the 1920’s, American intellectuals, disappointed in what they perceived as the failures of classical liberalism allowed themselves to think that Fascism was the path toward their ideals, and the same path allowed them to stumble into Stalinism some time later. The jewels of the new thinking, according to these elites, was comprehensive state control, planning and direction, as long as the goals remained “a conscious, intelligent ordering of society,” as Columbia professor and disciple of John Dewey, Herbert W. Schneider stated.
a. American progressives, pragmatists, viewed Fascism’s emphasis on political repression as a regrettable but entirely understandable corollary.
Wow!
Did you just take a beating!
When ever you’re ready just yell “check please.”
Everything you have posted has been proven to be untrue. You are just on of those dopey people who close their eyes, cover their ears and blabber nah nah nah nah and make believe reality does not exist.Well that's a nice way of saying that when you side loses you have to make some excuses for the General......Your shoe is untied,...
I can see that the strain of actually making a coherent point is stultifying for you....so let me help.
I assume that you were trying to find a way to mitigate the harm that Harry Dexter White and all the other Soviet spies that Franklin Roosevelt invited into his administration, accomplished.
In that, you'd be sadly mistaken.
Not only was White a spy, but he used his position to block the Chinese nationalists when he could and handed China to the communists.
Harry Truman, at least until he learned better, supported Stalin, White, and the communists ensconced in the Roosevelt administration.
I dare you to challenge the veracity of this post.
In fact, I double dog dare you.
It was proven after Whites death in 1948 that he was a spy, buy not a spy which subverted any policies...
Absolutely wrong.
I notice you didn't take me up on the challenge...."Well that's a nice way of saying" that you know that White did the damage that I just stated: he handed China to Mao, and that resulted in the Korean War...
It is important to connect the treachery with the impact of that treachery: the theft of the nuclear technology with 36,940 Americans killed, 91,134 wounded, and 8,176 still missing, and this does not include at least two million civilian lives claimed on both sides.
Bruce Cumings, "The Korean War: A History.'
Included were 1.3 million South Korean casualties, including 400,000 dead. North Korea, 2 million casualties, and 900,000 Chinese soldiers killed.
The blame goes to FDR, Harry White and other spies, as well as Stalin.
You are a JBS stooge, and all of your silliness above has been disproven on this Board many times.
So, for intelligent and patriotic Americans, PoliticalChic does not get "just once more."
Nothing that I've posted has been 'proven untrue'.....especially when I revealed you to be a lying imbecile.
Seems that any scholarly revelation about Franklin Roosevelt produces the sort of ire that one would expect in response to a slur about one's dear, departed- and saintly- mom!
An earlier thread resulted in this unwarranted attack:
"I've accused you of being dishonest on one and an unqualified sloppy researcher on the other. Still you deflect, and refuse to respond on those topics, instead wanting to start a discussion on the old stand-by FDR was a communist tool of Stalin fantasy." Roosevelt s Great Depression Page 30 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Um, no, only in your imagination. You don't even understand the butters and guns narrative.Easy. "Fascism did not aquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to the Soviet Union," Chesly Manly "The 20 Year Revolution" P. 48. Your quote used in your OP.How about if you attempt to refrain from deflecting and answer the question? Explain your source by explaining Chesly Manly, Col. McCormick and the American Party.
How about you show any error in the statement.
If you cannot, admit that your sole mission is to shield Roosevelt from the contumely he so correctly deserves.
There was an attempt at a coup by fascist in 1933. It was called the Business Plot and exposed by Maj. General Smedley Butler the most highly decorated Marine in history at the time of his death. He was awarded two Medals of Honor.
The Black Legion and Silver Legion were two fascist groups connected to the Klu Klux Klan of the 1930's, as was the American Bund.
Your quote by Manly is misleading. It suggest that Washington was not aware of the dangers or evilness of fascism. Clearly that was not the case.
So now answer the question that you keep deflecting from. Who should the readers believe, a highly decorated Marine Corps Major General and most highly decorated combat veteran of his time, or whatever this Chesly Manly pen name was? Hint, McCormick and the Chicago Tribune and the American Party.
Watch me eviscerate you:
- English and French commentators routinely depicted Roosevelt as akin to Mussolini. A more specific reason why, in 1933, the New Deal was often compared with Fascism was that with the help of a massive propaganda campaign, Italy had transitioned from a liberal free-market system to a state-run corporatist one. And corporatism was considered by elitists and intellectuals as the perfect response to the collapse of the liberal free-market economy, as was the national self-sufficiency of the Stalinist Soviet Union. The National Recovery Administration was comparable to Mussolini’s corporatism as both had state control without actual expropriation of private property.
- Mussolini wrote a book review of Roosevelt’s “Looking Forward,” in which he said “…[as] Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people.” Popolo d’Italia, July 7, 1933.
- In 1934, Mussolini wrote a review of “New Frontiers,” by FDR’s Sec’y of Agriculture, later Vice-President, Henry Wallace: “Wallace’s answer to what America wants is as follows: anything but a return tyo the free-market, i.e., anarchistic economy. Where is America headed? This book leaves no doubt that it is on the road to corporatism, the economic system of the current century.” Marco Sedda, Il politico, vol. 64, p. 263.
- “The similarities of the economics of the New Deal to the economics of Mussolini’s corporative state or Hitler’s totalitarian state are both close and obvious.” Norman Thomas, head of the American Socialist Party.
- 1. The Fascism of the 30’s was hardly new on the scene. In fact, by the 1920’s, American intellectuals, disappointed in what they perceived as the failures of classical liberalism allowed themselves to think that Fascism was the path toward their ideals, and the same path allowed them to stumble into Stalinism some time later. The jewels of the new thinking, according to these elites, was comprehensive state control, planning and direction, as long as the goals remained “a conscious, intelligent ordering of society,” as Columbia professor and disciple of John Dewey, Herbert W. Schneider stated.
a. American progressives, pragmatists, viewed Fascism’s emphasis on political repression as a regrettable but entirely understandable corollary.
Wow!
Did you just take a beating!
When ever you’re ready just yell “check please.”
Why would we want to support a mass murderer?!To that end, White also supported a $10 billion loan by the United States to aid the postwar reconstruction of the Soviet economy.
Everything you have posted has been proven to be untrue. You are just on of those dopey people who close their eyes, cover their ears and blabber nah nah nah nah and make believe reality does not exist.Well that's a nice way of saying that when you side loses you have to make some excuses for the General......I can see that the strain of actually making a coherent point is stultifying for you....so let me help.
I assume that you were trying to find a way to mitigate the harm that Harry Dexter White and all the other Soviet spies that Franklin Roosevelt invited into his administration, accomplished.
In that, you'd be sadly mistaken.
Not only was White a spy, but he used his position to block the Chinese nationalists when he could and handed China to the communists.
Harry Truman, at least until he learned better, supported Stalin, White, and the communists ensconced in the Roosevelt administration.
I dare you to challenge the veracity of this post.
In fact, I double dog dare you.
It was proven after Whites death in 1948 that he was a spy, buy not a spy which subverted any policies...
Absolutely wrong.
I notice you didn't take me up on the challenge...."Well that's a nice way of saying" that you know that White did the damage that I just stated: he handed China to Mao, and that resulted in the Korean War...
It is important to connect the treachery with the impact of that treachery: the theft of the nuclear technology with 36,940 Americans killed, 91,134 wounded, and 8,176 still missing, and this does not include at least two million civilian lives claimed on both sides.
Bruce Cumings, "The Korean War: A History.'
Included were 1.3 million South Korean casualties, including 400,000 dead. North Korea, 2 million casualties, and 900,000 Chinese soldiers killed.
The blame goes to FDR, Harry White and other spies, as well as Stalin.
You are a JBS stooge, and all of your silliness above has been disproven on this Board many times.
So, for intelligent and patriotic Americans, PoliticalChic does not get "just once more."
Nothing that I've posted has been 'proven untrue'.....especially when I revealed you to be a lying imbecile.
Sounds like you got your ass handed to you on one thread, and now need it handed to you on this thread.
Wiki can be a good source for quick fun facts, but it seems if you were serious about your research, you'd be using other sources.
Now, what's brought on all this fuss about FDR? I think the fuss is all about the wonderful documentary that came out a few months ago, reminding us all of how it takes a Democrat to come in and turn a financial collapse around, not unlike the 2007-08 collapse.
Let's see you find anything not true, you dope.
I think I've already made my point.
Not one example of anything I've posted that isn't the truth.
That identifies you as a moron who specializes in "I hate you" posts.
Now...get back into your sewer.
Oh Gawd, that means I'll have to read and sort through your garbage. Okay, I'll do it.
I'll do it as soon as I'm finished with my errands. Right now I've got places to go and people to see!
Your jog around the psycho-path?
What's really telling is that you wrote "Sounds like you got your ass handed to you on one thread, and now need it handed to you on this thread"....
....and now you admit you didn't read it at all.
That pretty much entitles you to the appellation "lying imbecile."
Fight it out with Jakal for the title.
Let's see you find anything not true, you dope.
I think I've already made my point.
Not one example of anything I've posted that isn't the truth.
That identifies you as a moron who specializes in "I hate you" posts.
Now...get back into your sewer.
Oh Gawd, that means I'll have to read and sort through your garbage. Okay, I'll do it.
I'll do it as soon as I'm finished with my errands. Right now I've got places to go and people to see!
Your jog around the psycho-path?
What's really telling is that you wrote "Sounds like you got your ass handed to you on one thread, and now need it handed to you on this thread"....
....and now you admit you didn't read it at all.
That pretty much entitles you to the appellation "lying imbecile."
Fight it out with Jakal for the title.
Nah, I knew this thread was bullshit just by looking at the title alone. However, that knowledge was reinforced when I got to the part saying FDR was a totalitarian, then went on to compare him to Hitler and Mussolini.
Such pretty words.Harry White's Creed, which PC hates
"I believe in freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of the press, freedom of criticism...
Such pretty words.Harry White's Creed, which PC hates
"I believe in freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of the press, freedom of criticism...
Let's look at White's deeds: Pearl Harbor 2.0 TIME.com
No you didn't.[
Everything you have posted has been proven to be untrue. You are just on of those dopey people who close their eyes, cover their ears and blabber nah nah nah nah and make believe reality does not exist.
"Everything you have posted has been proven to be untrue."
Such as?
I just gave you half a dozen quotes and links that show that
" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington
until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
So what's your thesis? Are you trying to say America caught soviet spies because they are inept, but the soviets could not catch our spies? We must have good spies. I agree.FDR supporters, America's best historians, and
I keep asking, now begging, for you to get this information to America's historians. Apparently you have sources and knowledge unavailable to them and so they keep rating FDR (since 1948) as one of the greatest American presidents. Please act before the historians rate presidents again, and above all, let us know how the historians respond to your valuable information.Well that's a nice way of saying that when you side loses you have to make some excuses for the General......
It was proven after Whites death in 1948 that he was a spy, buy not a spy which subverted any policies...
Absolutely wrong.
I notice you didn't take me up on the challenge...."Well that's a nice way of saying" that you know that White did the damage that I just stated: he handed China to Mao, and that resulted in the Korean War...
It is important to connect the treachery with the impact of that treachery: the theft of the nuclear technology with 36,940 Americans killed, 91,134 wounded, and 8,176 still missing, and this does not include at least two million civilian lives claimed on both sides.
Bruce Cumings, "The Korean War: A History.'
Included were 1.3 million South Korean casualties, including 400,000 dead. North Korea, 2 million casualties, and 900,000 Chinese soldiers killed.
The blame goes to FDR, Harry White and other spies, as well as Stalin.
You are a JBS stooge, and all of your silliness above has been disproven on this Board many times.
So, for intelligent and patriotic Americans, PoliticalChic does not get "just once more."
Nothing that I've posted has been 'proven untrue'.....especially when I revealed you to be a lying imbecile.
That's a real knee-slapper, reggie....
...another moron who tries to sidestep the fact that he can find no errors in the thesis.
I've been waiting for you to convince me as you said you would without result." Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington
until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
