Rubio enrolls in Obamacare, takes federal subsidy

[Kosh]

ACA was not designed to fix your rate issue.. The issues that it DID FIX didn't require this much money or taking Millions of Americans this close to a healthcare disaster by upsetting their insurance plans.. The main INTENT of ACA was economic justice and redistribution to pay for the "uninsured".. About 1/2 of whom didn't have an economic reason for lacking coverage.

Would have been cheaper and more effective to address the 10% of the needy and fix a couple insurance company abuses..

I will presume that COBRA (ReaganCare) was not unduly straining any municipal, state or federal budgets.

You're gonna have to walk me thru that one.. Cobra was no where near the burden than their misguided overgenerous retirement pension/health benefits have turned out to be.

Of course what happen in 1986 has been trumped by Obama in 2009.

 

[Two Thumbs]

from the link

That Rubio even had to switch from the existing federal plan to the exchange is thanks to Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa, who amended the Affordable Care Act to require members of Congress and staff join the exchange. It was viewed as a way to needle Democrats, but Democrats accepted the change.


He had to sign up, by law

fucking dems get waivers to not follow the law, But tards like sallow give a rep shit for doing so.

pity you had to post a link, lying shit

Fuck you asshole.

You and the other fucking morons opposed to this law wasted 24 fucking billion dollars and a shitload of time playing "Let's nullify the Presidency".

Yet now?

The "True Believers" which cost this country so fucking much..your heroes...are finding out it's a better deal.

You fucking bastards have done nothing but hurt the fucking country over bullshit.

You assholes drag this country into a war over a lie..after falling asleep at the switch when dumbfuck Saudis MURDERED over 3000 Americans. You attacked the wrong fucking country you morons. And then wound up killing a whole mess of innocent people.

THEN..you didn't apologize or admit fault.

Fuuuuuuccccckkkk you.

6 million people lost their hci b/c of "people" like you that put party before country and now some of those people will die.

but it's ok, b/c many of those same people chose to go to war on the same bad intel


You have no grasp of the facts, none at fucking all. But since you brought up wars as an excuse to fuck more people over;

Viet nam, we got involved for no reasons and it was dems that sent us
Korea, same thing
WW2, again, liberals got lots of us killed
WW1, that's when you fucks got the murder ball rolling


learn historical facts you fucking retard or stay on subject. the liberal body count is far to high for you to pick wars as an excuse for more tyranny

 

[Mac1958]

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The web site screwup was bad, the lies we were told about keeping our doctors and plans were bad, all the politics are bad, all the early bullshit is bad. As we've all been told many times here and everywhere else, tough shit.

Okay, tough shit.

But the front end problems are going to pale in comparison to the back end problems, and the apologists are either too intellectually lazy to examine the system carefully or they're too intellectually dishonest to admit that they don't care.

Watch what happens when the "tweaks" and the "adjustments" and the "improvements" are made. Most, if not all of them will have to involve a so-called "cost control", and someone is going to have to pay for it.

It's impossible to discuss this with apologists because a vast majority of them know little or nothing about health care economics and the back-end of the system. Nor do they care. Oh well.

Tough shit indeed.

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[Kosh]

And the far left rolls on never admitting to be wrong and will always blame someone else.

 

[Two Thumbs]

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The web site screwup was bad, the lies we were told about keeping our doctors and plans were bad, all the politics are bad, all the early bullshit is bad. As we've all been told many times here and everywhere else, tough shit.

Okay, tough shit.

But the front end problems are going to pale in comparison to the back end problems, and the apologists are either too intellectually lazy to examine the system carefully or they're too intellectually dishonest to admit that they don't care.

Watch what happens when the "tweaks" and the "adjustments" and the "improvements" are made. Most, if not all of them will have to involve a so-called "cost control", and someone is going to have to pay for it.

It's impossible to discuss this with apologists because a vast majority of them know little or nothing about health care economics and the back-end of the system. Nor do they care. Oh well.

Tough shit indeed.

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There's always an excuse.

like sallows; Bush went to war

That's painfully blind to the point that it would take someone he knows dying b/c they lost their hci for him to wake up

 

[Kosh]

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The web site screwup was bad, the lies we were told about keeping our doctors and plans were bad, all the politics are bad, all the early bullshit is bad. As we've all been told many times here and everywhere else, tough shit.

Okay, tough shit.

But the front end problems are going to pale in comparison to the back end problems, and the apologists are either too intellectually lazy to examine the system carefully or they're too intellectually dishonest to admit that they don't care.

Watch what happens when the "tweaks" and the "adjustments" and the "improvements" are made. Most, if not all of them will have to involve a so-called "cost control", and someone is going to have to pay for it.

It's impossible to discuss this with apologists because a vast majority of them know little or nothing about health care economics and the back-end of the system. Nor do they care. Oh well.

Tough shit indeed.

.

There's always an excuse.

like sallows; Bush went to war

That's painfully blind to the point that it would take someone he knows dying b/c they lost their hci for him to wake up

That whole far left war propaganda from those has always been bunk.

 

[eagle1462010]

US Congress Salaries and Benefits

Rank-and-File Members:
The current salary (2013) for rank-and-file members of the House and Senate is $174,000 per year.

$174,000 Family of 4....................

YAWN...............

 

[LoneLaugher]

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The web site screwup was bad, the lies we were told about keeping our doctors and plans were bad, all the politics are bad, all the early bullshit is bad. As we've all been told many times here and everywhere else, tough shit.

Okay, tough shit.

But the front end problems are going to pale in comparison to the back end problems, and the apologists are either too intellectually lazy to examine the system carefully or they're too intellectually dishonest to admit that they don't care.

Watch what happens when the "tweaks" and the "adjustments" and the "improvements" are made. Most, if not all of them will have to involve a so-called "cost control", and someone is going to have to pay for it.

It's impossible to discuss this with apologists because a vast majority of them know little or nothing about health care economics and the back-end of the system. Nor do they care. Oh well.

Tough shit indeed.

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You seem to know something. Why are you being so vague? Spell it out for us dummies. What tweaks? What adjustments? How about some specifics?

 

[eagle1462010]

Federal Poverty Level 2013 - 2014

$94,200............400% of poverty level 2013

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4EFddbHkRo]AC DC Back in Black (lyrics) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[JakeStarkey]

which is totally different from dems and their aides getting waivers to keep from going on it while forcing people to join by taking their hci away.


It's far more ruthless and evil to harm people like that.

They are in the program with the same rules as you and me if we have to go into the program.

Please stop your propaganda. No one sane believes it.

What part of dems getting waivers to avoid joining aca is propaganda?

it's an absolute fact

Subsidies are part of the program.

 

[eagle1462010]

They are in the program with the same rules as you and me if we have to go into the program.

Please stop your propaganda. No one sane believes it.

What part of dems getting waivers to avoid joining aca is propaganda?

it's an absolute fact

You have trouble with facts obviously. Subsidies are part of the program.

This whole thread has a problem with Facts.............

Feel the Thunder........................

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[Sallow]

from the link

That Rubio even had to switch from the existing federal plan to the exchange is thanks to Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa, who amended the Affordable Care Act to require members of Congress and staff join the exchange. It was viewed as a way to needle Democrats, but Democrats accepted the change.


He had to sign up, by law

fucking dems get waivers to not follow the law, But tards like sallow give a rep shit for doing so.

pity you had to post a link, lying shit

Fuck you asshole.

You and the other fucking morons opposed to this law wasted 24 fucking billion dollars and a shitload of time playing "Let's nullify the Presidency".

Yet now?

The "True Believers" which cost this country so fucking much..your heroes...are finding out it's a better deal.

You fucking bastards have done nothing but hurt the fucking country over bullshit.

You assholes drag this country into a war over a lie..after falling asleep at the switch when dumbfuck Saudis MURDERED over 3000 Americans. You attacked the wrong fucking country you morons. And then wound up killing a whole mess of innocent people.

THEN..you didn't apologize or admit fault.

Fuuuuuuccccckkkk you.

6 million people lost their hci b/c of "people" like you that put party before country and now some of those people will die.

but it's ok, b/c many of those same people chose to go to war on the same bad intel


You have no grasp of the facts, none at fucking all. But since you brought up wars as an excuse to fuck more people over;

Viet nam, we got involved for no reasons and it was dems that sent us
Korea, same thing
WW2, again, liberals got lots of us killed
WW1, that's when you fucks got the murder ball rolling


learn historical facts you fucking retard or stay on subject. the liberal body count is far to high for you to pick wars as an excuse for more tyranny

Now you're bringing in hypotheticals?

Really?

People will die?

Where were you when people DID DIE, when Conservative Heroine and Republican Arizona Governor Jan Brewer CUT FUNDING on the procedures for several people. One of those people had a RELATIVE that donated an organ for the operation. They died.

Where were you before the ACA was enacted when some 45K Americans were dying as a direct result of not having healthcare?

President Obama didn't win 2 terms because people were happy with the current system.

By the way, most of those cheapie policies that people are losing were given out by insurance companies, after the law was passed, meaning they participated in one of the biggest bait and switches in history. They knew they would survive once the law was rolled out and they knew they could blame it on Obama care. That's something the MSM isn't reporting on. They are content to call Obama a liar. Which is a disservice.

And for the cheap seats?

WWI - Okay..no clue why we got into that war.
WWII - We were attacked. And we had to stop a monster.
Korea - Attacked..no choice.
Vietnam - Complete clusterfuck.
Iraq - Lesson from Vietnam not learned.

 

[AVG-JOE]

from the link

That Rubio even had to switch from the existing federal plan to the exchange is thanks to Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa, who amended the Affordable Care Act to require members of Congress and staff join the exchange. It was viewed as a way to needle Democrats, but Democrats accepted the change.


He had to sign up, by law

fucking dems get waivers to not follow the law, But tards like sallow give a rep shit for doing so.

pity you had to post a link, lying shit

Also from the link:

Sen. Bill Nelson bought his policy on the exchange last week and will also have Medicare Part A, a spokesman said.

Nothing else seems to be mentioned about democrats in general, or specifically in that link...

Do you have a link to a story that states something to the effect that "fucking dems get waivers to not follow the law", or are you being as much of a reactionary, partisan political hack as the O/P?

 

[zeke]

You got no thread because he's REQUIRED to enroll.. The special deal that's cut to subsidize them in a special way is another issue entirely...

Why Congress is (or isn't) exempt from Obamacare

So continue to be speechless, flumoxed, flabbergasted, or whatever you choose. But that's what he HAD to do...

YOU my bud -- are the victim of yet more "not knowing what's in the bill".. NOBODY actually knows -- you know..

He's not required to do shit.

If he doesn't enroll? He may get a tax penalty. Which no one will collect.

Normally -- you're not this desparate ... OR ill-informed.. The ACA Law Outlawed (not cancelled) his old plan.. Just like they OUTLAWED (not cancelled) mine. Important diff we can discuss if you're not clear on the distinction) Requires him to dive into the pool if he wants health insurance...

To be fair --- he DOESN'T NEED to dive into a State or Federal pool.. He could go to a broker and get the same "GOVERNMENT DESIGNED AND APPROVED" policies WITHOUT supporting the subsidized pool.. But not being the spiteful destructive villain that you paint him to be --- HE CHOSE to place himself at greater risk by JOINING a subsidized pool.

Quite the opposite of what your OP implies there werewolf breath.

No responsible person is gonna leave themselves and their family without healthcare. Aint that the POINT?

Un Fucking believable.

Then why in the hell have you asshole rethugs fought tooth and nail to keep OTHER responsible Americans from having access to healthcare for themselves and their families?

Seems like a fair question to me. But I fuking guarantee you that you don't have an answer.

 

[AVG-JOE]

If this was released without Rubio's written consent, someone needs to go to jail.

It wasn't. Also from the link: (Emphasis mine)

"Senator Rubio spent time looking at all the options and decided to enroll through the D.C. exchange for coverage for him and his family," spokeswoman Brooke Sammon told the Tampa Bay Times.

From another link, found with minimal research:

Washington, DC – U.S. Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) today announced two new hires joining his Washington office staff as of this week. Alberto Martinez is joining as Deputy Chief of Staff and Brooke Sammon as Deputy Press Secretary.

Press Releases - Newsroom - U.S. Senator for Florida, Marco Rubio

*sigh* This kind of shit explains so much...

 

[The T]

He's not required to do shit.

If he doesn't enroll? He may get a tax penalty. Which no one will collect.

Normally -- you're not this desparate ... OR ill-informed.. The ACA Law Outlawed (not cancelled) his old plan.. Just like they OUTLAWED (not cancelled) mine. Important diff we can discuss if you're not clear on the distinction) Requires him to dive into the pool if he wants health insurance...

To be fair --- he DOESN'T NEED to dive into a State or Federal pool.. He could go to a broker and get the same "GOVERNMENT DESIGNED AND APPROVED" policies WITHOUT supporting the subsidized pool.. But not being the spiteful destructive villain that you paint him to be --- HE CHOSE to place himself at greater risk by JOINING a subsidized pool.

Quite the opposite of what your OP implies there werewolf breath.

No responsible person is gonna leave themselves and their family without healthcare. Aint that the POINT?

Un Fucking believable.

Then why in the hell have you asshole rethugs fought tooth and nail to keep OTHER responsible Americans from having access to healthcare for themselves and their families?

Seems like a fair question to me. But I fuking guarantee you that you don't have an answer.

WHY is government the guarantor of your responsibility?

Where in the Constitution does it state that Government has the authority to force people into commerce that they don't wish to participate? With liberty comes responsibility. NONE of you leftist shitheads cares a wit of your liberty. You take the coward's way out and let others do it for you, and politicians, bureaucrats that could care a tinker's damn that you exist, only that they are in control of your every waking moment.

Grow up. Grow a spine and take responsibility for yourselves.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Normally -- you're not this desparate ... OR ill-informed.. The ACA Law Outlawed (not cancelled) his old plan.. Just like they OUTLAWED (not cancelled) mine. Important diff we can discuss if you're not clear on the distinction) Requires him to dive into the pool if he wants health insurance...

To be fair --- he DOESN'T NEED to dive into a State or Federal pool.. He could go to a broker and get the same "GOVERNMENT DESIGNED AND APPROVED" policies WITHOUT supporting the subsidized pool.. But not being the spiteful destructive villain that you paint him to be --- HE CHOSE to place himself at greater risk by JOINING a subsidized pool.

Quite the opposite of what your OP implies there werewolf breath.

No responsible person is gonna leave themselves and their family without healthcare. Aint that the POINT?

Un Fucking believable.

Then why in the hell have you asshole rethugs fought tooth and nail to keep OTHER responsible Americans from having access to healthcare for themselves and their families?

Seems like a fair question to me. But I fuking guarantee you that you don't have an answer.

WHY is government the guarantor of your responsibility?

Where in the Constitution does it state that Government has the authority to force people into commerce that they don't wish to participate? With liberty comes responsibility. NONE of you leftist shitheads cares a wit of your liberty. You take the coward's way out and let others do it for you, and politicians, bureaucrats that could care a tinker's damn that you exist, only that they are in control of your every waking moment.

Grow up. Grow a spine and take responsibility for yourselves.

Link?

 

[Rozman]

He was on his investment banker wife's policy. I suppose her insurance company dumped him, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE WHO WAS CANCELLED- NOT by O-Care...

I think we are past the point where Obama defenders are getting away with blaming it on the Insurance companies for dropping policy holders.

It's fact people are being dropped by insurance companies because they are following
the law for ObamaCare.

Obama and Sebelius can break or disregard the law by enforcing whatever part suits them.But everyone else has to abide.

Insurers are just doing what they are told.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Good bet your rates didn't see the kind of escalation rates are seeing now. Average annual increases were less than double digits before.

You are quite incorrect regarding my rates.
To be honest, I don't know how bad or good the ACA is going to be but the supposed Free Market hasn't done me any favors.

ACA was not designed to fix your rate issue.. The issues that it DID FIX didn't require this much money or taking Millions of Americans this close to a healthcare disaster by upsetting their insurance plans.. The main INTENT of ACA was economic justice and redistribution to pay for the "uninsured".. About 1/2 of whom didn't have an economic reason for lacking coverage.

Would have been cheaper and more effective to address the 10% of the needy and fix a couple insurance company abuses..

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But not nearly as profitable for the Health Insurance Industry.

 

[AVG-JOE]

which is totally different from dems and their aides getting waivers to keep from going on it while forcing people to join by taking their hci away.


It's far more ruthless and evil to harm people like that.

They are in the program with the same rules as you and me if we have to go into the program.

Please stop your propaganda. No one sane believes it.

What part of dems getting waivers to avoid joining aca is propaganda?

it's an absolute fact

Got Link?​