Rudy to Begin Revealing Top Level Democrats Making Millions of Dollars Selling Their Public Office

[colfax_m]

But the new Trump Party believes wealth is bad

Trump made his money legally in the private sector.

Biden, McConnell, and Pelosi have stolen their money from the American taxpayer.

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE

When one has success in the private sector, America benefits
When one steals from the American taxpayer, America loses

Trump stole his money from Americans through fraud, graft and organized crime.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Everything a politician does has the next election in mind, you brain damaged weasel. What you're trying to do is equate normal behavior for a politician with normal behavior for a crook.

I agree that Trump's crooked behavior is perfectly normal for him. And I agree, Biden's behavior was completely normal since he was charged with carrying out U.S. foreign policy objectives.

And who put him in charge of that, and why, given his son was working for the most corrupt company in the most corrupt country in the world???

Obama put him in charge of that- openly and publicly.

Proof that Burisma is the 'most corrupt company' in the Ukraine?

Why do you think that Trump made a secret request to Ukraine to investigate his political rival, and a secret demand that they make a public announcement of the request- but still has not made any formal request- with a paper trail- to Ukraine to investigate his political rival?

What secret? Trump was fully aware of everybody that listens to calls between the White House and leaders of other countries.

I will repeat again- it was a secret call:
a) It literally was labeled 'Secret" and stored away in a secure intellegence data vault.
b) The number of people on the call was far more limited than usual for those calls
c) Americans still would not know about Trump's secret call to ask Ukraine to investigate his political rival if it was not for the brave whistleblower, who knew he/she was going to face retribution from the always vindictive Trump for revealing his secret scheme.

If there was some kind of secret call, HTF do you know about it? Why didn't this secret call make it to Vindman so he could testify to it? Why didn't the Democrats even think about trying to subpoena this secret call?

The impeachment was not about some secret call, it was the call that Trump issued a transcript for.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You mean like when a politician who happens to be the President of the United States makes a secret call to a foreign country known for corruption to ask that country to investigate his political rival?

LOL!!!


and it doesn't matter that his "political rival" rigged a foreign aid package to give a US taxpayer funded KICKBACK to his drug addicted kid.

To Dems, stealing from the American taxpayer is not a crime.

INVESTIGATING IT IS.....

To Trumpskies, it doesn't matter that
a) There is no evidence of any crimes by the Biden's- if your Dear Leader tells you that they committed a crime- you have convicted them.
b) That your Dear Leader tried to secretly rig the American election.

To Trumpskies- rigging an election is just the new norm for the Trump Party.

Nobody ever rigged an election. If you believe that to be true, provide credible evidence of it. Yes, there is evidence of a crime, it's called the Shokin interview.

 

[Syriusly]

I agree that Trump's crooked behavior is perfectly normal for him. And I agree, Biden's behavior was completely normal since he was charged with carrying out U.S. foreign policy objectives.

And who put him in charge of that, and why, given his son was working for the most corrupt company in the most corrupt country in the world???

Obama put him in charge of that- openly and publicly.

Proof that Burisma is the 'most corrupt company' in the Ukraine?

Why do you think that Trump made a secret request to Ukraine to investigate his political rival, and a secret demand that they make a public announcement of the request- but still has not made any formal request- with a paper trail- to Ukraine to investigate his political rival?

What secret? Trump was fully aware of everybody that listens to calls between the White House and leaders of other countries.

I will repeat again- it was a secret call:
a) It literally was labeled 'Secret" and stored away in a secure intellegence data vault.
b) The number of people on the call was far more limited than usual for those calls
c) Americans still would not know about Trump's secret call to ask Ukraine to investigate his political rival if it was not for the brave whistleblower, who knew he/she was going to face retribution from the always vindictive Trump for revealing his secret scheme.

If there was some kind of secret call, HTF do you know about it? Why didn't this secret call make it to Vindman so he could testify to it? Why didn't the Democrats even think about trying to subpoena this secret call?

The impeachment was not about some secret call, it was the call that Trump issued a transcript for.

Sigh.

I literally explained why and how you and I know about it and you just ignored it completely.-

The Trump's administration literally labeled it as 'secret' and literally stored it in a secure vault.
Americans still would not know about Trump's secret call to ask Ukraine to investigate his political rival if it was not for the brave whistleblower, who knew he/she was going to face retribution from the always vindictive Trump for revealing his secret schemek.

Trump didn't release the summary of the call until after he knew that Congress was going to get the whistleblower report.

The only reason we know about Trump's secret scheme is because of the whistleblower.

 

[debbiedowner]

Well when is this going to happen so I can quit coming back to check? I think Rudy has not one thing but wants to stay out in front to satisfy his fragile ego. Or he could just be out shopping for a new dress.

Or he has the goods on the traitors who started this Coup.

Well, where are they?

Comey--Clapper --Brennan--Yates--Mills--Loretta LynchMob.--Samantha Power.

Where's your proof? Do you know what proof is? BTW who cares if your new here it's the lay of the land.

 

[Syriusly]

You mean like when a politician who happens to be the President of the United States makes a secret call to a foreign country known for corruption to ask that country to investigate his political rival?

LOL!!!


and it doesn't matter that his "political rival" rigged a foreign aid package to give a US taxpayer funded KICKBACK to his drug addicted kid.

To Dems, stealing from the American taxpayer is not a crime.

INVESTIGATING IT IS.....

To Trumpskies, it doesn't matter that
a) There is no evidence of any crimes by the Biden's- if your Dear Leader tells you that they committed a crime- you have convicted them.
b) That your Dear Leader tried to secretly rig the American election.

To Trumpskies- rigging an election is just the new norm for the Trump Party.

Nobody ever rigged an election. If you believe that to be true, provide credible evidence of it. Yes, there is evidence of a crime, it's called the Shokin interview.

Sure people have rigged elections. But I didn't say that.

Repeating again:
To Trumpskies, it doesn't matter that
a) There is no evidence of any crimes by the Biden's- if your Dear Leader tells you that they committed a crime- you have convicted them.
b) That your Dear Leader tried to secretly rig the American election.

To Trumpskies- rigging an election is just the new norm for the Trump Party

 

[San Souci]

Well when is this going to happen so I can quit coming back to check? I think Rudy has not one thing but wants to stay out in front to satisfy his fragile ego. Or he could just be out shopping for a new dress.

Or he has the goods on the traitors who started this Coup.

Well, where are they?

Comey--Clapper --Brennan--Yates--Mills--Loretta LynchMob.--Samantha Power.

Where's your proof? Do you know what proof is? BTW who cares if your new here it's the lay of the land.

So the "Lay of the land" is to be rude ,crude ,foulmouth ,and personal? BTW--I give OPINIONS here. The PROOF will come out when Durham reports.

 

[Syriusly]

Certainly I agree- if Joe did get Shokin fired to save his son- then Biden should drop out of the race.

Do you also agree that if it is found out that Trump asked Ukraine to publicly announce an investigation of Biden in order to assist his re-election campaign- that Trump should resign?

Only if you can prove that's why he did it. He wanted the announcement because Ukraine has a bad habit of making promises they never keep. Trump wanted that announcement so that Zelensky would feel more obligated to do it. .

And only if you can prove that Joe got Shokin fired to save his son should he have to resign. I am using the exact same parameters for both Trump and Biden.

Look- I can repeat to you again why Biden got Shokin fired- its in the record- Biden was acting as part of official U.S. foreign policy, as part of a campaign that had been going on for months with the support of GOP senators, the IMF, the EU and Ukrainian activists- but you know all of that.

And I can point out that there is no evidence that Trump made the secret call to Zelinsky, and had his personal attorney secretly pressuring Ukraine to make a public announcement of an investigation of his political rival for any reasons other than to help his re-election campaign. But you know all of that.

But I will point out that Trump never made a formal request to Ukraine to investigate Burisma and the Bidens- despite Ukraine asking him to do so. And that there is no evidence that Trump asked the FBI to investigate the supposed corruption

Why do you think that Trump went to such lengths to have secret requests with no paper trail to Ukraine to investigate the Biden's- but has never actually formally asked Ukraine or the FBI to investigate the Bidens?

Why do you think that the Biden's are literally the only people in the world that Trump has asked Ukraine to investigate- even when Paul Manafort was convicted in part for his shady Ukrainian dealings?

What we have is an interview with the person that got fired, who stated he was only fired because he was looking into Burisma and Hunter for money laundering. So you are not using the same parameters. That didn't happen with Trump. In fact, just the opposite happened. When asked, Zelensky said he felt zero pressure from Trump during that call. It's been reported that Zelensky had no idea the aid was held up until a month after the call.

LOL- you just won't accept apples to apples will you?

You posited if we found out that "Joe did get Shokin fired to save his son" he should drop out of the race. I posited the exact same thing with Trump- that if we found out that Trump did call Ukraine in order to influence his election, he should resign.

I had no problem with stating that if it is proven that Joe acted to benefit his son he should drop out.

Why do you have such a hard time stating that if it is proven that Donald acted for his own personal political benefit that he should resign?

Is it that you just can't even allow yourself that tiny bit of doubt about your Dear Leader?

Little bump for Ray

LOL- you just won't accept apples to apples will you?

You posited if we found out that "Joe did get Shokin fired to save his son" he should drop out of the race. I posited the exact same thing with Trump- that if we found out that Trump did call Ukraine in order to influence his election, he should resign.

I had no problem with stating that if it is proven that Joe acted to benefit his son he should drop out.

Why do you have such a hard time stating that if it is proven that Donald acted for his own personal political benefit that he should resign?

Is it that you just can't even allow yourself that tiny bit of doubt about your Dear Leader?

I wonder why Ray just can't bring himself to respond to this?

He had no problem with saying that Biden should drop out of the race if it is proven that he acted corruptly for his son's benefit.

But he just can't bring himself to say that Trump should resign if it is proven that he acted corruptly to influence our election.

Yeah- pretty cult-like.

You prove to me that Biden committed a crime- or that Biden took his actions with the specific intent of benefiting his family rather than for the benefit of the U.S.- and I will be glad to call for his resignation and prosecution.

That the Trumpskies are just unable to bring themselves to say the same thing about Trump just shows the cult like nature of the new Trump Party.

 

[Jitss617]

This will shock you, but TV also includes pictures and that makes is possible to provide evidence. Lacking any evidence nothing Rudy says should be taken as anything more than a lie.

I do not think the Trump family has anything to do with Hass avocados...but you seem to think that Biden family should have stopped their business enterprises, why should they stop and not the Trump family?

the bidens didnt have a business enterprise,,,they had a money laundering operation of not just our tax payer money but that of other countries,,,

It sure does appear that away. There shouldn't be even an appearance of corruption but these politicians have gotten so out of control the whole system appears totally corrupt. If a person wants to be a thuggy rich type they need to stay out of public office. If we are unwilling to hold then all to a higher standard then we get whatever comes down the pike. This country and its people are paying a way too high of price for these corrupt political leaders and corrupt bureaucrats. Corruption creates poverty for the people throughout. Those who have enriched themselves and their families through the political process need to be prosecuted and those who have compromised their positions need to go home.

There shouldn't even be an appearance of corruption?

You mean like when a politician who happens to be the President of the United States makes a secret call to a foreign country known for corruption to ask that country to investigate his political rival?

That sure appears corrupt to me.

Secret call they were like 500 people on the phone call lol moron

Secret call as in:
a) It was literally labeled 'secret' and
b) The number of people on the call was much more limited than normal
c) The acting Ambassador to Ukraine was not asked to be on the call
d) And finally- none of us would know about this secret call except for the bravery of the whistleblower, who had to know at the time that the vindictive Trump would certainly look to have revenge on him or her for revealing his secret scheme.

lol dude there were many people on the call lol get a life

 

[bripat9643]

This will shock you, but TV also includes pictures and that makes is possible to provide evidence. Lacking any evidence nothing Rudy says should be taken as anything more than a lie.

I do not think the Trump family has anything to do with Hass avocados...but you seem to think that Biden family should have stopped their business enterprises, why should they stop and not the Trump family?

the bidens didnt have a business enterprise,,,they had a money laundering operation of not just our tax payer money but that of other countries,,,

It sure does appear that away. There shouldn't be even an appearance of corruption but these politicians have gotten so out of control the whole system appears totally corrupt. If a person wants to be a thuggy rich type they need to stay out of public office. If we are unwilling to hold then all to a higher standard then we get whatever comes down the pike. This country and its people are paying a way too high of price for these corrupt political leaders and corrupt bureaucrats. Corruption creates poverty for the people throughout. Those who have enriched themselves and their families through the political process need to be prosecuted and those who have compromised their positions need to go home.

There shouldn't even be an appearance of corruption?

You mean like when a politician who happens to be the President of the United States makes a secret call to a foreign country known for corruption to ask that country to investigate his political rival?

That sure appears corrupt to me.

Secret call they were like 500 people on the phone call lol moron

Secret call as in:
a) It was literally labeled 'secret' and
b) The number of people on the call was much more limited than normal
c) The acting Ambassador to Ukraine was not asked to be on the call
d) And finally- none of us would know about this secret call except for the bravery of the whistleblower, who had to know at the time that the vindictive Trump would certainly look to have revenge on him or her for revealing his secret scheme.

The bottom line: It was no more "secret" than any other call to another head of state.

 

[lantern2814]

Only if you can prove that's why he did it. He wanted the announcement because Ukraine has a bad habit of making promises they never keep. Trump wanted that announcement so that Zelensky would feel more obligated to do it. .

And only if you can prove that Joe got Shokin fired to save his son should he have to resign. I am using the exact same parameters for both Trump and Biden.

Look- I can repeat to you again why Biden got Shokin fired- its in the record- Biden was acting as part of official U.S. foreign policy, as part of a campaign that had been going on for months with the support of GOP senators, the IMF, the EU and Ukrainian activists- but you know all of that.

And I can point out that there is no evidence that Trump made the secret call to Zelinsky, and had his personal attorney secretly pressuring Ukraine to make a public announcement of an investigation of his political rival for any reasons other than to help his re-election campaign. But you know all of that.

But I will point out that Trump never made a formal request to Ukraine to investigate Burisma and the Bidens- despite Ukraine asking him to do so. And that there is no evidence that Trump asked the FBI to investigate the supposed corruption

Why do you think that Trump went to such lengths to have secret requests with no paper trail to Ukraine to investigate the Biden's- but has never actually formally asked Ukraine or the FBI to investigate the Bidens?

Why do you think that the Biden's are literally the only people in the world that Trump has asked Ukraine to investigate- even when Paul Manafort was convicted in part for his shady Ukrainian dealings?

What we have is an interview with the person that got fired, who stated he was only fired because he was looking into Burisma and Hunter for money laundering. So you are not using the same parameters. That didn't happen with Trump. In fact, just the opposite happened. When asked, Zelensky said he felt zero pressure from Trump during that call. It's been reported that Zelensky had no idea the aid was held up until a month after the call.

LOL- you just won't accept apples to apples will you?

You posited if we found out that "Joe did get Shokin fired to save his son" he should drop out of the race. I posited the exact same thing with Trump- that if we found out that Trump did call Ukraine in order to influence his election, he should resign.

I had no problem with stating that if it is proven that Joe acted to benefit his son he should drop out.

Why do you have such a hard time stating that if it is proven that Donald acted for his own personal political benefit that he should resign?

Is it that you just can't even allow yourself that tiny bit of doubt about your Dear Leader?

Little bump for Ray

LOL- you just won't accept apples to apples will you?

You posited if we found out that "Joe did get Shokin fired to save his son" he should drop out of the race. I posited the exact same thing with Trump- that if we found out that Trump did call Ukraine in order to influence his election, he should resign.

I had no problem with stating that if it is proven that Joe acted to benefit his son he should drop out.

Why do you have such a hard time stating that if it is proven that Donald acted for his own personal political benefit that he should resign?

Is it that you just can't even allow yourself that tiny bit of doubt about your Dear Leader?

I wonder why Ray just can't bring himself to respond to this?

He had no problem with saying that Biden should drop out of the race if it is proven that he acted corruptly for his son's benefit.

But he just can't bring himself to say that Trump should resign if it is proven that he acted corruptly to influence our election.

Yeah- pretty cult-like.

You prove to me that Biden committed a crime- or that Biden took his actions with the specific intent of benefiting his family rather than for the benefit of the U.S.- and I will be glad to call for his resignation and prosecution.

That the Trumpskies are just unable to bring themselves to say the same thing about Trump just shows the cult like nature of the new Trump Party.

You are a blithering idiot moron. A “secret” call that was recorded and listened in on? Biden’s corruption has been proven countless times. Why put up any links when all you’ll do is cry and whine that they aren’t CNN or the Washington Compost so you’ll call them illegitimate anyway. Your whole election interference bullshit has been debunked so many times it isn’t even funny anymore. Seems you’re dead set against education.

 

[bripat9643]

You mean like when a politician who happens to be the President of the United States makes a secret call to a foreign country known for corruption to ask that country to investigate his political rival?

LOL!!!


and it doesn't matter that his "political rival" rigged a foreign aid package to give a US taxpayer funded KICKBACK to his drug addicted kid.

To Dems, stealing from the American taxpayer is not a crime.

INVESTIGATING IT IS.....

Funny how Dems always get rich AFTER getting elected.

Funny how Republicans always get rich after getting elected.

Like Mitch McConnell - first elected to office in 1977- and worth $7.8 million by 2007.

Pelosi is worth $100 million, shit bag.

And? Mitch McConnell is worth about $17 million. Like Pelosi, the majority of his wealth comes from his spouse.

Remember the old Republican Party which actually thought that wealth was okay?

But the new Trump Party believes wealth is bad- when the wealthy are Democrats.

That's because they get it by looting the tax payers, moron. Wealth is fine if you earn it, not if you get by having political power over wealthy constituents.

 

[bripat9643]

But the new Trump Party believes wealth is bad

Trump made his money legally in the private sector.

Biden, McConnell, and Pelosi have stolen their money from the American taxpayer.

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE

When one has success in the private sector, America benefits
When one steals from the American taxpayer, America loses

Trump stole his money from Americans through fraud, graft and organized crime.

Then why isn't he in prison?

 

[bripat9643]

This will shock you, but TV also includes pictures and that makes is possible to provide evidence. Lacking any evidence nothing Rudy says should be taken as anything more than a lie.

I do not think the Trump family has anything to do with Hass avocados...but you seem to think that Biden family should have stopped their business enterprises, why should they stop and not the Trump family?

the bidens didnt have a business enterprise,,,they had a money laundering operation of not just our tax payer money but that of other countries,,,

It sure does appear that away. There shouldn't be even an appearance of corruption but these politicians have gotten so out of control the whole system appears totally corrupt. If a person wants to be a thuggy rich type they need to stay out of public office. If we are unwilling to hold then all to a higher standard then we get whatever comes down the pike. This country and its people are paying a way too high of price for these corrupt political leaders and corrupt bureaucrats. Corruption creates poverty for the people throughout. Those who have enriched themselves and their families through the political process need to be prosecuted and those who have compromised their positions need to go home.

There shouldn't even be an appearance of corruption?

You mean like when a politician who happens to be the President of the United States makes a secret call to a foreign country known for corruption to ask that country to investigate his political rival?

That sure appears corrupt to me.

Making perfectly innocent activity sound sinister is a TDS moron specialty.

Pretending like secretly asking a foreign government to interfere in an American election is perfectly innocent is a Trump cult speciality.

He didn't do any such thing, you fucking dumbass. Your belief that it's illegal to investigate a Democrat doesn't pass the laugh test.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Only if you can prove that's why he did it. He wanted the announcement because Ukraine has a bad habit of making promises they never keep. Trump wanted that announcement so that Zelensky would feel more obligated to do it. .

And only if you can prove that Joe got Shokin fired to save his son should he have to resign. I am using the exact same parameters for both Trump and Biden.

Look- I can repeat to you again why Biden got Shokin fired- its in the record- Biden was acting as part of official U.S. foreign policy, as part of a campaign that had been going on for months with the support of GOP senators, the IMF, the EU and Ukrainian activists- but you know all of that.

And I can point out that there is no evidence that Trump made the secret call to Zelinsky, and had his personal attorney secretly pressuring Ukraine to make a public announcement of an investigation of his political rival for any reasons other than to help his re-election campaign. But you know all of that.

But I will point out that Trump never made a formal request to Ukraine to investigate Burisma and the Bidens- despite Ukraine asking him to do so. And that there is no evidence that Trump asked the FBI to investigate the supposed corruption

Why do you think that Trump went to such lengths to have secret requests with no paper trail to Ukraine to investigate the Biden's- but has never actually formally asked Ukraine or the FBI to investigate the Bidens?

Why do you think that the Biden's are literally the only people in the world that Trump has asked Ukraine to investigate- even when Paul Manafort was convicted in part for his shady Ukrainian dealings?

What we have is an interview with the person that got fired, who stated he was only fired because he was looking into Burisma and Hunter for money laundering. So you are not using the same parameters. That didn't happen with Trump. In fact, just the opposite happened. When asked, Zelensky said he felt zero pressure from Trump during that call. It's been reported that Zelensky had no idea the aid was held up until a month after the call.

LOL- you just won't accept apples to apples will you?

You posited if we found out that "Joe did get Shokin fired to save his son" he should drop out of the race. I posited the exact same thing with Trump- that if we found out that Trump did call Ukraine in order to influence his election, he should resign.

I had no problem with stating that if it is proven that Joe acted to benefit his son he should drop out.

Why do you have such a hard time stating that if it is proven that Donald acted for his own personal political benefit that he should resign?

Is it that you just can't even allow yourself that tiny bit of doubt about your Dear Leader?

Little bump for Ray

LOL- you just won't accept apples to apples will you?

You posited if we found out that "Joe did get Shokin fired to save his son" he should drop out of the race. I posited the exact same thing with Trump- that if we found out that Trump did call Ukraine in order to influence his election, he should resign.

I had no problem with stating that if it is proven that Joe acted to benefit his son he should drop out.

Why do you have such a hard time stating that if it is proven that Donald acted for his own personal political benefit that he should resign?

Is it that you just can't even allow yourself that tiny bit of doubt about your Dear Leader?

I wonder why Ray just can't bring himself to respond to this?

He had no problem with saying that Biden should drop out of the race if it is proven that he acted corruptly for his son's benefit.

But he just can't bring himself to say that Trump should resign if it is proven that he acted corruptly to influence our election.

Yeah- pretty cult-like.

You prove to me that Biden committed a crime- or that Biden took his actions with the specific intent of benefiting his family rather than for the benefit of the U.S.- and I will be glad to call for his resignation and prosecution.

That the Trumpskies are just unable to bring themselves to say the same thing about Trump just shows the cult like nature of the new Trump Party.

I'm not about to get in a pissing contest with you. I hate when I see posters go back and forth saying the same shit over and over. So for the last time: Biden was not Trump's rival when he placed the call. He isn't Trump's rival now. He won't be Trump's rival until Biden wins the nomination, which is looking pretty unstable since he didn't do good in Iowa, and is just about out of money. Biden was not (and is still not) President Trump's contender for the White House.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You mean like when a politician who happens to be the President of the United States makes a secret call to a foreign country known for corruption to ask that country to investigate his political rival?

LOL!!!


and it doesn't matter that his "political rival" rigged a foreign aid package to give a US taxpayer funded KICKBACK to his drug addicted kid.

To Dems, stealing from the American taxpayer is not a crime.

INVESTIGATING IT IS.....

To Trumpskies, it doesn't matter that
a) There is no evidence of any crimes by the Biden's- if your Dear Leader tells you that they committed a crime- you have convicted them.
b) That your Dear Leader tried to secretly rig the American election.

To Trumpskies- rigging an election is just the new norm for the Trump Party.

Nobody ever rigged an election. If you believe that to be true, provide credible evidence of it. Yes, there is evidence of a crime, it's called the Shokin interview.

Sure people have rigged elections. But I didn't say that.

Repeating again:
To Trumpskies, it doesn't matter that
a) There is no evidence of any crimes by the Biden's- if your Dear Leader tells you that they committed a crime- you have convicted them.
b) That your Dear Leader tried to secretly rig the American election.

To Trumpskies- rigging an election is just the new norm for the Trump Party

Use proper English if you didn't mean he did. It should read "To Trump supporters, it wouldn't matter if." See how that's done so people understand what you are talking about???

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And who put him in charge of that, and why, given his son was working for the most corrupt company in the most corrupt country in the world???

Obama put him in charge of that- openly and publicly.

Proof that Burisma is the 'most corrupt company' in the Ukraine?

Why do you think that Trump made a secret request to Ukraine to investigate his political rival, and a secret demand that they make a public announcement of the request- but still has not made any formal request- with a paper trail- to Ukraine to investigate his political rival?

What secret? Trump was fully aware of everybody that listens to calls between the White House and leaders of other countries.

I will repeat again- it was a secret call:
a) It literally was labeled 'Secret" and stored away in a secure intellegence data vault.
b) The number of people on the call was far more limited than usual for those calls
c) Americans still would not know about Trump's secret call to ask Ukraine to investigate his political rival if it was not for the brave whistleblower, who knew he/she was going to face retribution from the always vindictive Trump for revealing his secret scheme.

If there was some kind of secret call, HTF do you know about it? Why didn't this secret call make it to Vindman so he could testify to it? Why didn't the Democrats even think about trying to subpoena this secret call?

The impeachment was not about some secret call, it was the call that Trump issued a transcript for.

Sigh.

I literally explained why and how you and I know about it and you just ignored it completely.-

The Trump's administration literally labeled it as 'secret' and literally stored it in a secure vault.
Americans still would not know about Trump's secret call to ask Ukraine to investigate his political rival if it was not for the brave whistleblower, who knew he/she was going to face retribution from the always vindictive Trump for revealing his secret schemek.

Trump didn't release the summary of the call until after he knew that Congress was going to get the whistleblower report.

The only reason we know about Trump's secret scheme is because of the whistleblower.

The whistleblower filed a complaint about the call Trump made that was recorded. There is no secret call.

 

[bripat9643]

And only if you can prove that Joe got Shokin fired to save his son should he have to resign. I am using the exact same parameters for both Trump and Biden.

Look- I can repeat to you again why Biden got Shokin fired- its in the record- Biden was acting as part of official U.S. foreign policy, as part of a campaign that had been going on for months with the support of GOP senators, the IMF, the EU and Ukrainian activists- but you know all of that.

And I can point out that there is no evidence that Trump made the secret call to Zelinsky, and had his personal attorney secretly pressuring Ukraine to make a public announcement of an investigation of his political rival for any reasons other than to help his re-election campaign. But you know all of that.

But I will point out that Trump never made a formal request to Ukraine to investigate Burisma and the Bidens- despite Ukraine asking him to do so. And that there is no evidence that Trump asked the FBI to investigate the supposed corruption

Why do you think that Trump went to such lengths to have secret requests with no paper trail to Ukraine to investigate the Biden's- but has never actually formally asked Ukraine or the FBI to investigate the Bidens?

Why do you think that the Biden's are literally the only people in the world that Trump has asked Ukraine to investigate- even when Paul Manafort was convicted in part for his shady Ukrainian dealings?

What we have is an interview with the person that got fired, who stated he was only fired because he was looking into Burisma and Hunter for money laundering. So you are not using the same parameters. That didn't happen with Trump. In fact, just the opposite happened. When asked, Zelensky said he felt zero pressure from Trump during that call. It's been reported that Zelensky had no idea the aid was held up until a month after the call.

LOL- you just won't accept apples to apples will you?

You posited if we found out that "Joe did get Shokin fired to save his son" he should drop out of the race. I posited the exact same thing with Trump- that if we found out that Trump did call Ukraine in order to influence his election, he should resign.

I had no problem with stating that if it is proven that Joe acted to benefit his son he should drop out.

Why do you have such a hard time stating that if it is proven that Donald acted for his own personal political benefit that he should resign?

Is it that you just can't even allow yourself that tiny bit of doubt about your Dear Leader?

Little bump for Ray

LOL- you just won't accept apples to apples will you?

You posited if we found out that "Joe did get Shokin fired to save his son" he should drop out of the race. I posited the exact same thing with Trump- that if we found out that Trump did call Ukraine in order to influence his election, he should resign.

I had no problem with stating that if it is proven that Joe acted to benefit his son he should drop out.

Why do you have such a hard time stating that if it is proven that Donald acted for his own personal political benefit that he should resign?

Is it that you just can't even allow yourself that tiny bit of doubt about your Dear Leader?

I wonder why Ray just can't bring himself to respond to this?

He had no problem with saying that Biden should drop out of the race if it is proven that he acted corruptly for his son's benefit.

But he just can't bring himself to say that Trump should resign if it is proven that he acted corruptly to influence our election.

Yeah- pretty cult-like.

You prove to me that Biden committed a crime- or that Biden took his actions with the specific intent of benefiting his family rather than for the benefit of the U.S.- and I will be glad to call for his resignation and prosecution.

That the Trumpskies are just unable to bring themselves to say the same thing about Trump just shows the cult like nature of the new Trump Party.

I'm not about to get in a pissing contest with you. I hate when I see posters go back and forth saying the same shit over and over. So for the last time: Biden was not Trump's rival when he placed the call. He isn't Trump's rival now. He won't be Trump's rival until Biden wins the nomination, which is looking pretty unstable since he didn't do good in Iowa, and is just about out of money. Biden was not (and is still not) President Trump's contender for the White House.

The actual rule Dims believe in is that Dims can never be prosecuted, period.

 

[Syriusly]

Obama put him in charge of that- openly and publicly.

Proof that Burisma is the 'most corrupt company' in the Ukraine?

Why do you think that Trump made a secret request to Ukraine to investigate his political rival, and a secret demand that they make a public announcement of the request- but still has not made any formal request- with a paper trail- to Ukraine to investigate his political rival?

What secret? Trump was fully aware of everybody that listens to calls between the White House and leaders of other countries.

I will repeat again- it was a secret call:
a) It literally was labeled 'Secret" and stored away in a secure intellegence data vault.
b) The number of people on the call was far more limited than usual for those calls
c) Americans still would not know about Trump's secret call to ask Ukraine to investigate his political rival if it was not for the brave whistleblower, who knew he/she was going to face retribution from the always vindictive Trump for revealing his secret scheme.

If there was some kind of secret call, HTF do you know about it? Why didn't this secret call make it to Vindman so he could testify to it? Why didn't the Democrats even think about trying to subpoena this secret call?

The impeachment was not about some secret call, it was the call that Trump issued a transcript for.

Sigh.

I literally explained why and how you and I know about it and you just ignored it completely.-

The Trump's administration literally labeled it as 'secret' and literally stored it in a secure vault.
Americans still would not know about Trump's secret call to ask Ukraine to investigate his political rival if it was not for the brave whistleblower, who knew he/she was going to face retribution from the always vindictive Trump for revealing his secret schemek.

Trump didn't release the summary of the call until after he knew that Congress was going to get the whistleblower report.

The only reason we know about Trump's secret scheme is because of the whistleblower.

The whistleblower filed a complaint about the call Trump made that was recorded. There is no secret call.

Sigh you really are a true Trumpsky. Clearly you are a big believer in 'alternative facts'

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What secret? Trump was fully aware of everybody that listens to calls between the White House and leaders of other countries.

I will repeat again- it was a secret call:
a) It literally was labeled 'Secret" and stored away in a secure intellegence data vault.
b) The number of people on the call was far more limited than usual for those calls
c) Americans still would not know about Trump's secret call to ask Ukraine to investigate his political rival if it was not for the brave whistleblower, who knew he/she was going to face retribution from the always vindictive Trump for revealing his secret scheme.

If there was some kind of secret call, HTF do you know about it? Why didn't this secret call make it to Vindman so he could testify to it? Why didn't the Democrats even think about trying to subpoena this secret call?

The impeachment was not about some secret call, it was the call that Trump issued a transcript for.

Sigh.

I literally explained why and how you and I know about it and you just ignored it completely.-

The Trump's administration literally labeled it as 'secret' and literally stored it in a secure vault.
Americans still would not know about Trump's secret call to ask Ukraine to investigate his political rival if it was not for the brave whistleblower, who knew he/she was going to face retribution from the always vindictive Trump for revealing his secret schemek.

Trump didn't release the summary of the call until after he knew that Congress was going to get the whistleblower report.

The only reason we know about Trump's secret scheme is because of the whistleblower.

The whistleblower filed a complaint about the call Trump made that was recorded. There is no secret call.

Sigh you really are a true Trumpsky. Clearly you are a big believer in 'alternative facts'

Is this supposed to prove something?