Little bump for RayAnd only if you can prove that Joe got Shokin fired to save his son should he have to resign. I am using the exact same parameters for both Trump and Biden.
Look- I can repeat to you again why Biden got Shokin fired- its in the record- Biden was acting as part of official U.S. foreign policy, as part of a campaign that had been going on for months with the support of GOP senators, the IMF, the EU and Ukrainian activists- but you know all of that.
And I can point out that there is no evidence that Trump made the secret call to Zelinsky, and had his personal attorney secretly pressuring Ukraine to make a public announcement of an investigation of his political rival for any reasons other than to help his re-election campaign. But you know all of that.
But I will point out that Trump never made a formal request to Ukraine to investigate Burisma and the Bidens- despite Ukraine asking him to do so. And that there is no evidence that Trump asked the FBI to investigate the supposed corruption
Why do you think that Trump went to such lengths to have secret requests with no paper trail to Ukraine to investigate the Biden's- but has never actually formally asked Ukraine or the FBI to investigate the Bidens?
Why do you think that the Biden's are literally the only people in the world that Trump has asked Ukraine to investigate- even when Paul Manafort was convicted in part for his shady Ukrainian dealings?
What we have is an interview with the person that got fired, who stated he was only fired because he was looking into Burisma and Hunter for money laundering. So you are not using the same parameters. That didn't happen with Trump. In fact, just the opposite happened. When asked, Zelensky said he felt zero pressure from Trump during that call. It's been reported that Zelensky had no idea the aid was held up until a month after the call.
LOL- you just won't accept apples to apples will you?
You posited if we found out that "Joe did get Shokin fired to save his son" he should drop out of the race. I posited the exact same thing with Trump- that if we found out that Trump did call Ukraine in order to influence his election, he should resign.
I had no problem with stating that if it is proven that Joe acted to benefit his son he should drop out.
Why do you have such a hard time stating that if it is proven that Donald acted for his own personal political benefit that he should resign?
Is it that you just can't even allow yourself that tiny bit of doubt about your Dear Leader?
LOL- you just won't accept apples to apples will you?
You posited if we found out that "Joe did get Shokin fired to save his son" he should drop out of the race. I posited the exact same thing with Trump- that if we found out that Trump did call Ukraine in order to influence his election, he should resign.
I had no problem with stating that if it is proven that Joe acted to benefit his son he should drop out.
Why do you have such a hard time stating that if it is proven that Donald acted for his own personal political benefit that he should resign?
Is it that you just can't even allow yourself that tiny bit of doubt about your Dear Leader?
I wonder why Ray just can't bring himself to respond to this?
He had no problem with saying that Biden should drop out of the race if it is proven that he acted corruptly for his son's benefit.
But he just can't bring himself to say that Trump should resign if it is proven that he acted corruptly to influence our election.
Yeah- pretty cult-like.
You prove to me that Biden committed a crime- or that Biden took his actions with the specific intent of benefiting his family rather than for the benefit of the U.S.- and I will be glad to call for his resignation and prosecution.
That the Trumpskies are just unable to bring themselves to say the same thing about Trump just shows the cult like nature of the new Trump Party.
I'm not about to get in a pissing contest with you. I hate when I see posters go back and forth saying the same shit over and over. So for the last time: Biden was not Trump's rival when he placed the call. He isn't Trump's rival now. He won't be Trump's rival until Biden wins the nomination, which is looking pretty unstable since he didn't do good in Iowa, and is just about out of money. Biden was not (and is still not) President Trump's contender for the White House.
You just can't bring yourself to answer the very same question about Trump that you challenged me on about Biden.
See I have the moral conviction that I would absolutely demand Biden leave the race- or if elected- resign- if it was proven that he corruptly used his office for the benefit of his family.
But you- you just can't bring yourself to say the same thing about Trump.
Like I said- pretty cult like.
Just like you pretending that the secret phone call was not a secret phone call even though it was literally officially labelled secret.