Rush has the solution to inequality

[gallantwarrior]

Since the left are the ones who love to preach about income inequality how would you fix it? How would you elevate those who don't have the same drive, ability, skills, passion, and determination to the level of those who have more of these quality's?

We figure out how much money is in circulation, divide that equally among everybody and pay them. CEOs will make the same as burger-flippers, doctors and lawyers earn no more than a school teacher...

 

[Papageorgio]

Rush is now an economists?
I don't think Rush knows that there are three job applicants for every job opening and that wages for the working class have been flat for over three decades despite increases productivity while those who determine wages are getting wealthier. In a consumer driven economy, that scenario doesn't work well. How are the working class going to contribute to the capitalist economy with a shrinking expendable income?

Typical rightwing dogma from Rush

Young people do not succeed because they are lazy and on drugs

It is amazing how liberals can't figure out simple humor and exaggeration, pretty dense group. Of course if it was Daily, doing something like this, he would be hailed as a comedic genius. Partisan politics is so interesting.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Since the left are the ones who love to preach about income inequality how would you fix it? How would you elevate those who don't have the same drive, ability, skills, passion, and determination to the level of those who have more of these quality's?

I'd like to know Rush's solution but I'm not holding my breath. He specializes in sarcasm not answers

If it isn't the government's job, why should some entertainer be condemned for not proposing a solution? (Of course, it is not government's job to determine wages, create jobs, etc...but don't spread that around...'kay.)

 

[ilia25]

Nearly 18% of all American households earn over 118K a year.

If the number was more like 5% I would say the rules need to be looked at.

Why 118K and why 5%? What bothers me is the fact that most Americans have not benefited from the impressive economic growth in the past 30 years, because way to much of new wealth went to the top 1%. That's a problem.

Sorry...that is a talking point with nothing to back it up.

Compare the lifestyle of middle class now to that of middle class 30 years ago.

When I was young, we were middle class. One car, one TV, one phone number.

Would you say that is the lifestyle of middle class today?

Pretty much, except for the cellphones. And the point is not how well the middle class is doing -- it's about how well they would be doing if not for the rise in inequality. Their living standards would be significantly higher, if the would be rising as fast as the overal productivity was rising.

 

[healthmyths]

It is like he is celebrating his own stupidity.

Who? Obama or Rush?
You realize that of the 3.8 million workers with wages at or below the Federal minimum make up 5.2 percent of all hourly-paid workers.
Characteristics of Minimum Wage Workers: 2011

Of the above chart from the US Census Bureau,
of the 3.8 million nearly 2 million are under 24 years old.
How many of those 24 year olds probably still live at home or have a 2nd job?

And of course go ahead raise the minimum wage and lay off more people.
See that $5,720 raise is going to force janitorial services to acquire robo sweepers that cost about $400 each.
Can lay off 14 people with the savings of ONE robo sweeper.

Or the food services? $6,000 a one time cost for auto dishwasher system. That's equal to the minimum wage increase!

So YOU and others not really cognizant of how business work ALSO don't seem to understand the concept of employers' cost of
SS and medicare contributions which really makes the $10.10 minimum wage to actually increase to total cost of $10.77 per hour for the employer.

 

[ilia25]

Since the left are the ones who love to preach about income inequality how would you fix it? How would you elevate those who don't have the same drive, ability, skills, passion, and determination to the level of those who have more of these quality's?

By making the tax code more progressive.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Or maybe you are.....

I am not celebrating his stupidity. At most I am laughing at it. At worst I am worried about the future of our nation because morons like him actually convince people of this crap.

During the Renaissance there was a movement towards science and a celebration of thought and logic. I feel like modern America is defined in the exact opposite way as we celebrate our own ignorance and place more emphasis on emotional rhetoric than logic.

You are actually that fucking stupid that you can't see what he is doing? Or do you think your fellow countrymen are really that stupid as to not see the absurdity of the satire?

Some of you people really crack me up.

Actually, they're pretty damned scary...they vote.

 

[ilia25]

Can you answer the question?

What problem is created because of this so-called inequality?

Well, it is obvious -- the incomes of the bottom half are stagnating in the past 30 years despite the economic growth. Only the rich are getting richer.

you seem to leave out the following basic scenario of life and career...

low level jobs do not warrant salary growth. They are what they are.

Why not?.. People working hard should benefit from the economic growth.

 

[gallantwarrior]

You gotta read the whole thing...mix yourself a Manhattan and read....

"So my idea to ensure equal beginnings for 20-somethings in the job market, is all teenagers will be required to get high on the drug of their choice. They will be required to play video games. They will be required to remain jobless during summer breaks. They will not be allowed to do internships at a company -- which are really nothing more than indoctrination camps, as are high school and college -- if we're gonna equalize things using the Democrat method.

It is like he is celebrating his own stupidity.

It's called illustrating absurdity by being absurd you cementhead.

No, it is called LYING. That is not the Democratic Method. It is a Straw Man made up by your lying MessiahRushie because he can't compete in the arena of ideas. The Dems believe in equal OPPORTUNITY through EDUCATION, and the Right consider education to be snobbery, except for their own educated snobs.

Have you ever heard the saying, "You can lead a horse to water..."? Education opportunities are absolutely useless unless the intended beneficiaries apply themselves and learn.

 

[Bombur]

First of all...I was playing on the premise of a poster...who used the term "rules"...

But what bothers me about this entire debate is the following...

YOU...and most others supporting a "change" continually think about the few.....those who are paid millions of dollars to be CEO's.....the very few comparatively speaking.

Most are not in that category. Most business owners that do well do not make millions...they make hundreds of thousands...but not millions.

So we are going to turn the economy upside down...change the rules if you will....because of the top one tenth of 1 percent?

(top 1% includes those at 388K and up......)

Or do you feel that even those making 300K a year should make less as well?

Ideally the issue is fixed the same way it happened, through income growth over time. The rules are already upside down as far as I am concerned. I would prefer if they were simply made to recognize modern economic realities.

The tax code is only one way to address the problem but there is no doubt in my mind that it needs to be reformed in a way that would benefit the middle class more.

But you didn't address the point.

Most are not earning a10 million a year.

Take me in my prime.

My best year as a business owner was about 400K...that was my before tax income after all expenses....(I was an s-corp)

That year I had 8 employees.....with the average salary about 40K.

SO in return for my time (worked 60+ hours a week), my investment, and the headaches, I made about 10 times the amount of my average employee.

Is that out of line?

You are aware that such is pretty much the ratio of all successful business owners.....

o do we really need to change that?

I don't believe in anyone deciding that one should make X or Y. I do believe in progressive taxation and making sure that income growth is spread out so that income inequality is not forever growing.

If tax reform is part of any change your employees would end up paying less and you would end up paying more. Although you may have paid less in those years when you were making less and more in the years you made more. I would be far more concerned about the economic implications of tax changes on those years where your company was not peaking than the years when it was.

 

[Defiant1]

Of course he should. But not 100 times more! He should earn just a bit more, enough for the other guy to realize that he should ditch that shovel.

Ok, so then following your logic the engineer who measures and marks the hole to be dug, comes by time to time to measure the progress, then stops the digging when the correct length, width, and depth have been achieved, he should get what, maybe half what the diggers get?

I mean how hard is it to read a ruler?

Now you are being just silly. You know well, that engineers are working just as hard, if not harder, as everyone else.

And if you really want to know what exactly the engineers are busy doing when they are not measuring holes, go read the fucking job description.

I know the job descriptions, thank you very much.

You are the one who posted that people that work harder than others should be paid more.

Now we are finding out you also mean smarter, with more skills, more experience, more worthiness.

Well the system already exists for that, it's called the marketplace.

Everybody that worked today earned exactly how much they are worth. That's not saying you can't go out tomorrow and find someone to pay you more, but then again you may find they want to pay you less.

However today you worked for an amount that someone offered and you accepted.

What can be better than that.

 

[gallantwarrior]

You gotta read the whole thing...mix yourself a Manhattan and read....

"So my idea to ensure equal beginnings for 20-somethings in the job market, is all teenagers will be required to get high on the drug of their choice. They will be required to play video games. They will be required to remain jobless during summer breaks. They will not be allowed to do internships at a company -- which are really nothing more than indoctrination camps, as are high school and college -- if we're gonna equalize things using the Democrat method.

It is like he is celebrating his own stupidity.

It's called illustrating absurdity by being absurd you cementhead.

No, it is called LYING. That is not the Democratic Method. It is a Straw Man made up by your lying MessiahRushie because he can't compete in the arena of ideas. The Dems believe in equal OPPORTUNITY through EDUCATION, and the Right consider education to be snobbery, except for their own educated snobs.

Did you seriously write that? (See bolded above) Really? Democrats don't lie. OMG, I want to know what universe you live in, is it a really happy place?

 

[Flopper]

You gotta read the whole thing...mix yourself a Manhattan and read....

"So my idea to ensure equal beginnings for 20-somethings in the job market, is all teenagers will be required to get high on the drug of their choice. They will be required to play video games. They will be required to remain jobless during summer breaks. They will not be allowed to do internships at a company -- which are really nothing more than indoctrination camps, as are high school and college -- if we're gonna equalize things using the Democrat method.

Some people get jobs in the summer. Some people do internships. Some people don't play video games. Some people stay sober. That's not fair. Those people get ahead of the others. We must make sure everybody starts the same, and using the president's own philosophy, we'll start everybody at the same point by defining as normal the least successful among us. So every 20-something starting out gets high, plays video games, doesn't work. This is equal. This is equality.

And it doesn't humiliate those who are high, because everybody will be. It doesn't humiliate those who don't have a job because no one will have one. It doesn't humiliate anybody playing video games because every will be. It doesn't humiliate anyone for having an internship because no one will. That's the starting point, because equal outcomes require and begin with equal preparation, because equality is so important.

And because the Democrat Party never, ever seeks to elevate people into the higher levels, the higher reaches of success and achievement. They lower those at the top. We will do, in my program, what the Democrats do every day. We will punish the achievers. We will punish the responsible. We will make it harder on those who do not get high, who do not play video games all day, who do not watch television all day, and we will make them do exactly what everybody else is doing (i.e., nothing), so that we have an equal starting point. "

My Advice to the Dictator for His State of the Coup Address on Income Inequality - The Rush Limbaugh Show

I think Rush had a Manhattan, or two, or three before writing this nonsense.

 

[Jarhead]

Well, it is obvious -- the incomes of the bottom half are stagnating in the past 30 years despite the economic growth. Only the rich are getting richer.

you seem to leave out the following basic scenario of life and career...

low level jobs do not warrant salary growth. They are what they are.

Why not?.. People working hard should benefit from the economic growth.

People who work hard DO benefit from economic growth.

People that work may not.

You know...not all working Americans are hard working Americans.

I am not knocking those that are not hard working. Such is their choice. They deem it best to work 9-5, take all sick days and personal days and spend more time with their family's. I sometimes wish I did it that way myself.....

Then there are the hard working Americans. The ones that get in early to prepare for the day...the ones that stay late to finish the job to perfection despite not getting paid overtime...the ones that go to seminars on their own time to better their knowledge....the ones that take courses EVEN IF THE EMPLOYER DOESNT PAY FOR IT...

If a nine to fiver is a hard working American....what do you call what I just described in bold?

 

[emilynghiem]

Solution; Education that allows people the ability to innovate, think and consider.

Colllege or craft-school...

Being a slave making a dollar per hour isn't the solution.

I would teach
* spiritual process of natural healing through forgiveness therapy
to reduce cause and cost of crime and disease
so people cannot be exploited for lack of health care and resources
(and cannot be oppressed legally or politically by relationship abuse and bullying)
* knowledge of legal, political and govt systems especially conflict
resolution, redressing grievances, and working out terms of restitution for abuses and crimes
* knowledge of property and business management, financing and credit
so people can move from homelessness to renting to
owning and managing rental homes, apt complexes and commercial property
under a school system for teaching this by mentorship in a controlled environment
* access to media, computer, video and online technology
to communicate and organize resources to build
self-governing communities and school systems
including teaching hospitals and medical internships to provide sustainable health care

 

[edthecynic]

You really don't see what he was doing? Plain as day to me. He went to the extreme absurd, it's a tactic that many employ. Daily on Comedy Central does it a lot, not seeing people getting bent over when he does it.

The "tactic" was LYING! Your MessiahRushie created a Straw Man "Democratic Method" that does not exist because he knows he can't compete in the arena of ideas against the real Democratic method of equal OPPORTUNITY through access to education.

He knows the CON$ervoFascist Method of kissing ass does not work for honest people, only for the Right.

He intentionally exaggerated, he knew and his listeners knew it. He was making a point about the absurdity of liberal equality. I thought you were one of the smarter posters here, but I guess not.

He was making a point and he made it because people like you got their panties in a wad over it.

I don't like listening to him but he made a good point and you are pretty dumb not to see the distortion has truth in it. Entertainers, entertain, and he did well.

He went far beyond "exaggeration," as he always does, all the way to an out and out lie. The very fact that he has to exaggerate to the point of lying proves he knows he is on the wrong side of the argument. After all the Right's method, lying and cheating to get ahead is indefensible!

 

[Bombur]

Can you answer the question?

What problem is created because of this so-called inequality?

Well, it is obvious -- the incomes of the bottom half are stagnating in the past 30 years despite the economic growth. Only the rich are getting richer.

you seem to leave out the following basic scenario of life and career...

low level jobs do not warrant salary growth. They are what they are.

People need to do what they need to do to get out of that low level job.

A mailroom clerk is a mailroom clerk. He or she will never be able to increase the re3venue of the firm....and their responsibilities will never become more complicated.

A mailroom clerks salary should rise with CoL.....but what reason should it rise even greater?

Not to mention.....20 years experience as a mailroom clerk makes you no more efficient than 3 years experience as a mailroom clerk.

The graph has nothing to do with "life and career" as you put it as it represents a broad cross section of people who are all at different points in their career.

You then proceed to equate all wage earners to low level jobs not worthy of sharing in the prosperity of the nation even though the graph also shows increases in productivity.

My hope is that you just misread the graph. Maybe you can try again.

 

[Jarhead]

The "tactic" was LYING! Your MessiahRushie created a Straw Man "Democratic Method" that does not exist because he knows he can't compete in the arena of ideas against the real Democratic method of equal OPPORTUNITY through access to education.

He knows the CON$ervoFascist Method of kissing ass does not work for honest people, only for the Right.

He intentionally exaggerated, he knew and his listeners knew it. He was making a point about the absurdity of liberal equality. I thought you were one of the smarter posters here, but I guess not.

He was making a point and he made it because people like you got their panties in a wad over it.

I don't like listening to him but he made a good point and you are pretty dumb not to see the distortion has truth in it. Entertainers, entertain, and he did well.

He went far beyond "exaggeration," as he always does, all the way to an out and out lie. The very fact that he has to exaggerate to the point of lying proves he knows he is on the wrong side of the argument. After all the Right's method, lying and cheating to get ahead is indefensible!

lol.

How naïve can you be?

We have democratic politicians saying that the GOP hate the poor and want to kill grandma....and you complain about an entertainer exaggerating?

 

[gallantwarrior]

Well, I agree with what Milton Friedman says, especially his position on legalizing all drugs. But he never explained why it is necessary to let super-rich to keep most of their incomes.

Simply put, because it is theirs.... not yours... not the state's.

Wrong -- nothing is "theirs". They live in a society, not in an inhabited island or a jungle. And they become rich thanks to the rules we, as a society, put forth and are following. If those rules were different, the same person could have ended up at the bottom of the social ladder, and poor as a church mouse!

So why not simply assign each person a job and pool all the earnings into one pot. Everyone would be issued a place to live, the food deemed necessary, and no one would have anything any different than anyone else in their society?

 

[Bombur]

you seem to leave out the following basic scenario of life and career...

low level jobs do not warrant salary growth. They are what they are.

Why not?.. People working hard should benefit from the economic growth.

People who work hard DO benefit from economic growth.

People that work may not.

You know...not all working Americans are hard working Americans.

I am not knocking those that are not hard working. Such is their choice. They deem it best to work 9-5, take all sick days and personal days and spend more time with their family's. I sometimes wish I did it that way myself.....

Then there are the hard working Americans. The ones that get in early to prepare for the day...the ones that stay late to finish the job to perfection despite not getting paid overtime...the ones that go to seminars on their own time to better their knowledge....the ones that take courses EVEN IF THE EMPLOYER DOESNT PAY FOR IT...

If a nine to fiver is a hard working American....what do you call what I just described in bold?

The issue has nothing to do with hard work and everything to do with markets. The hard workers existed in the past just as much as they exist now.

It is like you are talking about an equation when the issue is the change in the equation over time. I am not saying that hard work isn't a part of the equation but that doesn't mean changes in work ethic explain the changes in the equation.