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In that model, you're too stupid to know steak from rat meat.You like being told what, where, when, and HOW by a government that can't be responsible to those that elected them...and continue to rob from you for thier self interests and their lobbyist sponsors?
Really Sallow? Do you not honor your own Liberty?
You can shun the bums...or become one of them.
No..actually I want them doing what they should be doing...working for me.
I think we have different ideas of what the government should be doing. So I will nutshell my idea.
Take a steak sandwich.
When I order a steak sandwich..I want bread..and fresh beef.
Most sandwich outfits will give me just that. But some will give me sawdust bread and rat meat. I don't want that. I don't want to check every sandwich I order for that. I don't have the time do to that. I want to order my sandwich, eat it and get to work..or where ever I am going.
So the government, for the most part, makes sure that I can trust the sandwich outfit, to give me what I ordered.
That's your problem.
And government became, "untrustable", when?
When the President was elected by a majority of Americans in 2009? And not when the President was installed by a majority of judges in 2001?
Seriously?
That's truly ABSURD!"If the government were a person, we would consider it a bum, a failure, a troll living underneath the bridge - somebody that can't get a job, can't hold a job, can't live within its means. All it can do is ask for another handout. The government's a bum."~Rush Limbaugh December 1, 2010
-Nailed-
Ladies and gents? This is your government 200+ years after the Founders told us to be vigilant and perserve what they gave us.
They do that when I use his own words to make a liar of himself.I guess the wingnuts momentarily forgot their USMB mantra.
Rush? Rush who? Nah, we never listen to him!
Rush is getting eclipsed in the public eye by Glen Beck and Sarah Palin so I guess he's got to start making more outrageous statements to get attention.
Frankly, I like both Glen and Sarah better than Rush.
You like being told what, where, when, and HOW by a government that can't be responsible to those that elected them...and continue to rob from you for thier self interests and their lobbyist sponsors?
Really Sallow? Do you not honor your own Liberty?
You can shun the bums...or become one of them.
No..actually I want them doing what they should be doing...working for me.
I think we have different ideas of what the government should be doing. So I will nutshell my idea.
Take a steak sandwich.
When I order a steak sandwich..I want bread..and fresh beef.
Most sandwich outfits will give me just that. But some will give me sawdust bread and rat meat. I don't want that. I don't want to check every sandwich I order for that. I don't have the time do to that. I want to order my sandwich, eat it and get to work..or where ever I am going.
So the government, for the most part, makes sure that I can trust the sandwich outfit, to give me what I ordered.
Then you have no idea what the governments role should be. It's role is not to regulate industry but to create an enviroment where industry can flourish and to insure the nations security.
If you don't like the steak sandwich you ordered then you have the freedom to choose another sandwich shop.
A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicity. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address.
Preamble Note
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
And government became, "untrustable", when?
When the President was elected by a majority of Americans in 2009? And not when the President was installed by a majority of judges in 2001?
Seriously?
Government has always been untrustworthy, dumbass, and not just when you suddenly got all butt-hurt because you weren't allowed to steal it. Only a child or a moron believes that you can hand any body of human beings power over others and their lives, property, and freedom, and just wander off, whistling, to tend to your life without watching them. Duhhh.
The saying, "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" has been around forever. Where the fuck have YOU been?
I really wish I could understand this obsession with people like Rush... on either side.
Like him or not? he is a Constitutionalist...first and foremost. Entertainer? Certainly. Provoker of thought? Discourse? Absolutely.
The quote I posted is absolutely on the mark. This thread is really about that quote...but has morphed into something different unfortunately.
Shame on me for allowing it...but is insightful nonetheless.
Provoker of controversy.... for ratings. The shame on you is for falling for it. Pity of it is that apparently some people are incapable of thinking for themselves and prefer to get their opinions from the likes of Rush or the HuffPuff.
Don't play stupid, Sallow....or are you that stupid?
I think it was 4-5 newspapers came in after the election and did an independent count. I believe it was 4 out of the five stated that Bush would have won Florida. So if you want to hang your hat on that one independent count, that even stated they had to use the most liberal way to count....feel free, but you would look like a partisan die hard to eveyone else.
Erm..adding to that was that one of the judges was appointed by his Father's running mate and good friend of his vice.
And you think all those circumstances are normal and above board..then grats..
Deflect all you want, but the facts are there and they aren't in your favor....so go ahead and ignore them. Now, I'm not going to hijack this thread any longer.
Non sequitur....Neither Gates nor Jobs needed a subsidy.In that model, you're too stupid to know steak from rat meat.
That's your problem.
Okay..start coding your own damned operating system.
Ready..set..go!
Besides, if we were relying on gubmint to write software, we'd still be using FORTRAN II.
In that model, you're too stupid to know steak from rat meat.You like being told what, where, when, and HOW by a government that can't be responsible to those that elected them...and continue to rob from you for thier self interests and their lobbyist sponsors?
Really Sallow? Do you not honor your own Liberty?
You can shun the bums...or become one of them.
No..actually I want them doing what they should be doing...working for me.
I think we have different ideas of what the government should be doing. So I will nutshell my idea.
Take a steak sandwich.
When I order a steak sandwich..I want bread..and fresh beef.
Most sandwich outfits will give me just that. But some will give me sawdust bread and rat meat. I don't want that. I don't want to check every sandwich I order for that. I don't have the time do to that. I want to order my sandwich, eat it and get to work..or where ever I am going.
So the government, for the most part, makes sure that I can trust the sandwich outfit, to give me what I ordered.
That's your problem.
Non sequitur....Neither Gates nor Jobs needed a subsidy.
Besides, if we were relying on gubmint to write software, we'd still be using FORTRAN II.
No..actually I want them doing what they should be doing...working for me.
I think we have different ideas of what the government should be doing. So I will nutshell my idea.
Take a steak sandwich.
When I order a steak sandwich..I want bread..and fresh beef.
Most sandwich outfits will give me just that. But some will give me sawdust bread and rat meat. I don't want that. I don't want to check every sandwich I order for that. I don't have the time do to that. I want to order my sandwich, eat it and get to work..or where ever I am going.
So the government, for the most part, makes sure that I can trust the sandwich outfit, to give me what I ordered.
Then you have no idea what the governments role should be. It's role is not to regulate industry but to create an enviroment where industry can flourish and to insure the nations security.
If you don't like the steak sandwich you ordered then you have the freedom to choose another sandwich shop.
A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicity. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address.
I know this is probably and exercise in futility..but what the heck:
Preamble Note
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
So let me break it down for you..
Insuring the sandwich shop sells safe food:
-Promotes the general welfare by insuring that the food is safe to eat.
-Promotes commerce because customers will return to the shop..to buy from them again, and not to lynch to shop owner.
-And both are well within the powers of congress.
No..actually I want them doing what they should be doing...working for me.
I think we have different ideas of what the government should be doing. So I will nutshell my idea.
Take a steak sandwich.
When I order a steak sandwich..I want bread..and fresh beef.
Most sandwich outfits will give me just that. But some will give me sawdust bread and rat meat. I don't want that. I don't want to check every sandwich I order for that. I don't have the time do to that. I want to order my sandwich, eat it and get to work..or where ever I am going.
So the government, for the most part, makes sure that I can trust the sandwich outfit, to give me what I ordered.
Then you have no idea what the governments role should be. It's role is not to regulate industry but to create an enviroment where industry can flourish and to insure the nations security.
If you don't like the steak sandwich you ordered then you have the freedom to choose another sandwich shop.
A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicity. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address.
I know this is probably and exercise in futility..but what the heck:
Preamble Note
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
So let me break it down for you..
Insuring the sandwich shop sells safe food:
-Promotes the general welfare by insuring that the food is safe to eat.
-Promotes commerce because customers will return to the shop..to buy from them again, and not to lynch to shop owner.
-And both are well within the powers of congress.
But your own qualifications to the general welfare clause do not support your claim that government's role is not to regulate industry when regulating commerce among the states is one of the specifically enumerated powers in the Constitution!!!!!James Madison stated that the general welfare clause was not intended to give Congress an open hand to exercise every power which may be alleged to be necessary for the common defense or general welfare. If by the general welfare, the Founding Fathers had meant any and all social, economic, or educational programs Congress wanted to create, there would have been no reason to list specific powers of Congress such as establishing courts and maintaining the armed forces. Those powers would simply have been included in one all-encompassing phrase, to promote the general welfare.
general welfare
If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and its (sic) will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions." James Madison, Letter to Edmund Pendleton, January 21, 1792
"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated." - Thomas Jefferson
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
Then you have no idea what the governments role should be. It's role is not to regulate industry but to create an enviroment where industry can flourish and to insure the nations security.
If you don't like the steak sandwich you ordered then you have the freedom to choose another sandwich shop.
A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicity. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address.
I know this is probably and exercise in futility..but what the heck:
So let me break it down for you..
Insuring the sandwich shop sells safe food:
-Promotes the general welfare by insuring that the food is safe to eat.
-Promotes commerce because customers will return to the shop..to buy from them again, and not to lynch to shop owner.
-And both are well within the powers of congress.
But your own qualifications to the general welfare clause do not support your claim that government's role is not to regulate industry when regulating commerce among the states is one of the specifically enumerated powers in the Constitution!!!!!James Madison stated that the general welfare clause was not intended to give Congress an open hand to exercise every power which may be alleged to be necessary for the common defense or general welfare. If by the general welfare, the Founding Fathers had meant any and all social, economic, or educational programs Congress wanted to create, there would have been no reason to list specific powers of Congress such as establishing courts and maintaining the armed forces. Those powers would simply have been included in one all-encompassing phrase, to promote the general welfare.
general welfare
If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and its (sic) will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions." James Madison, Letter to Edmund Pendleton, January 21, 1792
"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated." - Thomas Jefferson
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
Then you have no idea what the governments role should be. It's role is not to regulate industry but to create an enviroment where industry can flourish and to insure the nations security.
If you don't like the steak sandwich you ordered then you have the freedom to choose another sandwich shop.
A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicity. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address.
I know this is probably and exercise in futility..but what the heck:
Preamble Note
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
So let me break it down for you..
Insuring the sandwich shop sells safe food:
-Promotes the general welfare by insuring that the food is safe to eat.
-Promotes commerce because customers will return to the shop..to buy from them again, and not to lynch to shop owner.
-And both are well within the powers of congress.
James Madison stated that the general welfare clause was not intended to give Congress an open hand to exercise every power which may be alleged to be necessary for the common defense or general welfare. If by the general welfare, the Founding Fathers had meant any and all social, economic, or educational programs Congress wanted to create, there would have been no reason to list specific powers of Congress such as establishing courts and maintaining the armed forces. Those powers would simply have been included in one all-encompassing phrase, to promote the general welfare.
general welfare
If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and its (sic) will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions." James Madison, Letter to Edmund Pendleton, January 21, 1792
"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated." - Thomas Jefferson
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
I know this is probably and exercise in futility..but what the heck:
So let me break it down for you..
Insuring the sandwich shop sells safe food:
-Promotes the general welfare by insuring that the food is safe to eat.
-Promotes commerce because customers will return to the shop..to buy from them again, and not to lynch to shop owner.
-And both are well within the powers of congress.
But your own qualifications to the general welfare clause do not support your claim that government's role is not to regulate industry when regulating commerce among the states is one of the specifically enumerated powers in the Constitution!!!!!James Madison stated that the general welfare clause was not intended to give Congress an open hand to exercise every power which may be alleged to be necessary for the common defense or general welfare. If by the general welfare, the Founding Fathers had meant any and all social, economic, or educational programs Congress wanted to create, there would have been no reason to list specific powers of Congress such as establishing courts and maintaining the armed forces. Those powers would simply have been included in one all-encompassing phrase, to promote the general welfare.
general welfare
If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and its (sic) will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions." James Madison, Letter to Edmund Pendleton, January 21, 1792
"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated." - Thomas Jefferson
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
Justice Thomas summarized what the Framers' definition might have been as controlling the "selling, buying, and bartering, as well as transporting for these purposes." This allows laws to be made governing these transactions. Nothing about regulating consumption.
Commerce used in the Constitution means business or commercial exchanges. Again nothing about regulating consumption.
Long Dong Thomas is not qualified to summarize anything.I know this is probably and exercise in futility..but what the heck:
So let me break it down for you..
Insuring the sandwich shop sells safe food:
-Promotes the general welfare by insuring that the food is safe to eat.
-Promotes commerce because customers will return to the shop..to buy from them again, and not to lynch to shop owner.
-And both are well within the powers of congress.
But your own qualifications to the general welfare clause do not support your claim that government's role is not to regulate industry when regulating commerce among the states is one of the specifically enumerated powers in the Constitution!!!!!James Madison stated that the general welfare clause was not intended to give Congress an open hand to exercise every power which may be alleged to be necessary for the common defense or general welfare. If by the general welfare, the Founding Fathers had meant any and all social, economic, or educational programs Congress wanted to create, there would have been no reason to list specific powers of Congress such as establishing courts and maintaining the armed forces. Those powers would simply have been included in one all-encompassing phrase, to promote the general welfare.
general welfare
If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and its (sic) will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions." James Madison, Letter to Edmund Pendleton, January 21, 1792
"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated." - Thomas Jefferson
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
Justice Thomas summarized what the Framers' definition might have been as controlling the "selling, buying, and bartering, as well as transporting for these purposes." This allows laws to be made governing these transactions. Nothing about regulating consumption.
Commerce used in the Constitution means business or commercial exchanges. Again nothing about regulating consumption.
But your own qualifications to the general welfare clause do not support your claim that government's role is not to regulate industry when regulating commerce among the states is one of the specifically enumerated powers in the Constitution!!!!!
Justice Thomas summarized what the Framers' definition might have been as controlling the "selling, buying, and bartering, as well as transporting for these purposes." This allows laws to be made governing these transactions. Nothing about regulating consumption.
Commerce used in the Constitution means business or commercial exchanges. Again nothing about regulating consumption.
My example had nothing to do with consumption.