Russian Drone Shot Down in Ukraine

[hipeter924]

bellingcat - Exclusive Access to the Russian Forpost Drone Shot Down in Ukraine

Russia’s repeated attempts to convince the international community and its own citizens that there are no Russian troops, or weapons in Ukraine have grown tiresome and farcical, especially when compared against the meticulously researched mountain of evidence to the contrary.

Shortly after Ukrainian troops captured two Russian Spetsnaz soldiers, a Ukrainian special forces unit of the Dnipro-1 Battalion shot down a $6 million Russian Forpost drone near Avdeevka in Eastern Ukraine.

 

[westwall]

ADDRESS the OP. The fake pictures are cute, but fake nonetheless.

 

[Bleipriester]

ADDRESS the OP. The fake pictures are cute, but fake nonetheless.

What fake pictures? The ones you don´t like to see?

 

[Bleipriester]

bellingcat - Exclusive Access to the Russian Forpost Drone Shot Down in Ukraine

Russia’s repeated attempts to convince the international community and its own citizens that there are no Russian troops, or weapons in Ukraine have grown tiresome and farcical, especially when compared against the meticulously researched mountain of evidence to the contrary.

Shortly after Ukrainian troops captured two Russian Spetsnaz soldiers, a Ukrainian special forces unit of the Dnipro-1 Battalion shot down a $6 million Russian Forpost drone near Avdeevka in Eastern Ukraine.

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[Stratford57]

QUOTE="Bleipriester, post: 11594618, member: 41102"] QUOTE="westwall, post: 11594606, member: 23239"] ADDRESSthe OP. The fake pictures are cute, but fake nonetheless.[ QUOTE]
What fake pictures? The ones you don´t like to see?[/QUOTE]


Here is a Congressional record, it should be hard for you, Westwall, to say it is fake:

WASHINGTON— Late yesterday evening, the U.S. House of Representatives considered H.R. 2685, the “Department of Defense Appropriations Act of 2015.” During consideration of the legislation, Congressman John Conyers, Jr. (D-Mich.) and Congressman Ted Yoho (R-Fla.) offered bipartisan amendments to block the training of the Ukrainian neo-Nazi paramilitary militia “Azov Battalion,” and to prevent the transfer of shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles—otherwise known as Man-Portable Air-Defense Systems (MANPADS)—to Iraq or Ukraine.

Ukraine’s Azov Battalion is a 1,000-man volunteer militia of the Ukrainian National Guard that Foreign Policy Magazine has characterized as openly neo-Nazi,” and “fascist.” Ukraine’s Interior Minister Arsen Avakov, who oversees Ukraine’s armed militias, announced that Azov troops would be among the first units to be trained by the Pentagon in Operation Fearless Guardian, prompting significant international concern.

“The Azov men use the neo-Nazi Wolfsangel (Wolf’s Hook) symbol on their banner and members of the battalion are openly white supremacists, or anti-Semites,” wrote The Telegraph.
U.S. House Passes 3 Amendments By Rep. Conyers To Defense Spending Bill To Protect Civilians From Dangers Of Arming and Training Foreign Forces - Press Releases - News - U.S. Congressman John Conyers Jr.

 

[westwall]

Thank you for the followup. I will check them out and if the info is correct will reinstate the pictures.

 

[Stratford57]

QUOTE="westwall, post: 11594816, member: 23239"]Thank you for the followup. I will check them out and if the info is correct will reinstate the pictures.[/QUOTE]
And here is something else for you to check out.

Ambassador Samantha Power Testimony US Interests Video C-SPAN.org

Yesterday there was a sharp discussion in American Congress between Samantha Power, American representative in UN and Dana Rohrabacher (R), who was asking her uncomfortable questions about Ukraine.

Watch how she prefers to answer a respectable congressman’s questions, which are uncomfortable for her: “I do not listen to Mr. Putin’s claims.” (Same way all Obama’s Administration (Jen Psaki, Marie Harf, etc.) answers all the uncomfortable questions from the press. Same way Obama presents his “irrefutable evidence”: just because I say so.)

Watch the video from 1.10.14 up to 1.14.09:

Dana Rohrabacher:

- I’d like to ask you about Ukraine. You described civilians were shelled by Russian allies there in Ukraine. I went over to Europe and met with some intelligence agencies in various countries and they were telling me that actually Ukrainian military which was 1/3 made up of people who were not in military but instead on a payroll of some oligarch. They have heavy artillery and indiscriminately were shelling separatists’ villages.

- If you are a US representative you should pay attention to everybody’s claims and you should refute them rather than dismissing them.

- I happen to believe there was a coup in Ukraine, meaning violent overthrow of the elected government. If it did not happen we would not be in this situation and the Ukrainians would have been spared this.

- It did not start with Russia going into separatists’ areas, that’s not where it started.

Finally we have heard somebody talking logically about Ukrainian conflict at such a high level as US Congress. Well done, Mr. Rohrabacher! That’s a man!

 

[waltky]

Bet it looks a lot like the one shot down by Iran...

Russia's resurgent drone program
Fri October 16, 2015 - Russia is believed to have about 800 unarmed drones, many of them smaller vehicles similar to this one being deployed as part of Russian military drills in March.

Russia's drone program, for years dormant and lagging behind the West, has resurfaced in a big way recently, with widespread use in Syria punctuated Friday by the downing inside Turkey of an unmanned vehicle that could belong to Moscow. Russia began fielding drones in Syria in September as part of the military buildup that preceded airstrikes on behalf of its ally, the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. Russian drones are also reportedly in use in Ukraine. All told, Russian military and security forces have an inventory of about 800 drones, all believed unarmed and primarily used for intelligence and reconnaissance purposes, an analyst with HIS Jane's told CNN Friday.

It is not clear that the drone downed Friday by a Turkish warplane inside of Turkey -- which borders Syria -- is Russian. Moscow has denied the reports, although two U.S. defense officials say they believe the drone is Russian. But it is clear that after years with little in the way of drone technology, Moscow has ramped up its emphasis on unmanned aerial vehicles in recent years, said Douglas Barrie, senior fellow for Military Aerospace at the International Institute for Strategic Studies. "In the aftermath of the collapse of the Soviet Union UAV R&D was neglected, and it is only in the past decade or so that Russia has re-focused attention on this area of military capability," he said. In the last five years or so, Russia has relied significantly on models from Israeli defense contractors, some of which it has licensed to produce in Russia, said Derrick Maple, principle analyst for unmanned Systems at IHS Jane's.

But Russia has pledged to spend nearly $10 billion over the next decade to further develop its drone fleet, including muscular armed drones similar to some fielded by the United States, Maple said. For instance, Russia has been developing an armed drone called Skat since at least 2005, according to IHS Jane's. The drone could be capable of carrying multiple anti-ship or radar missiles, guided bombs or conventional bombs.

Here's a look at some of Russia's existing UAV fleet:

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Turkish jets shoot down drone at its border with Syria
Oct 16,`15 -- Turkey shot down an unidentified drone that flew into its airspace Friday near the Syrian border, while Russian President Vladimir Putin said his country's air campaign backing a Syrian government offensive has killed hundreds of militants. U.S. official said the downed drone was Russian, but Moscow staunchly rejected the claim.

The incident underlined the potential dangers of clashes involving Russian, Syrian and U.S.-led coalition planes in the increasingly crowded skies over Syria. Russian and U.S. military officials have been working on a set of rules to prevent any problems. The Turkish military said it issued three warnings before shooting down the aircraft with its fighter jets. It didn't specify how it had relayed the warnings to the operators of the drone. The drone crashed 3 kilometers (about 2 miles) inside Turkish territory, said Foreign Minister Feridun Sinirlioglu. "We have not been able to establish who the drone belongs to, but we are able to work on it because it fell inside Turkish territory," he added.

Earlier this month, Turkey had protested two incursions by Russian warplanes, which also drew strong condemnation from Turkey's NATO allies. The U.S., Russia and the Syrian government all operate drones in the region. The drone was definitely not American, and the U.S. believes it was Russian, said a U.S. defense official, who was not authorized to discuss details of the incident and spoke on condition of anonymity. Moscow strongly denied ownership of the drone. "I state with absolute responsibility that all our drones are either performing tasks or staying at the base," said Col.-Gen. Andrei Kartapolov, a deputy chief of the Russian General Staff, speaking at a meeting with foreign military attaches in Moscow.

The Lebanon-based pro-Syrian Al-Mayadeen TV quoted an unidentified Syrian military official as saying that no Syrian or Russian warplane or drone was shot down over Turkey. Seeking to soothe Turkey's anger over violation of its airspace by Russian aircraft, Moscow sent a high-level military delegation to discuss preventing such incidents. "They apologized a few times, said it happened by accident, and that they have taken measures so that it will not occur again," Sinirlioglu said of Thursday's talks in Ankara with the Russian delegation.

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