Sanctuary cities release criminals back onto streets instead of notifying ICE

[Vandalshandle]

Well, I did have a very good friend who was stabbed to death by a guy who had been paroled after serving time for a violent crime, but the guy who did it was a white American citizen. What do you think I should have done?

Sorry to hear that. He did serve his time before he was released right? Did he get caught and sent back to prison? He wasn't released when he should have been held and that is the difference. He wasn't released just to make a political anti Trump point for example. But sorry you lost your friend.

That's alright. It was decades ago, and the guy was a meth addict. He got life, for it, whatever that means in real years.

 

[MaryL]

Well, I don't know how to say this. I don't know the exact numbers, but most Americans want gun control. I see how some political action groups have co-oped the political will of the majority. Same thing with Illegal aliens, most people want tighter immigration control and we don't have a problem deporting illegals. My great grandfather actually bothered to immigrate legally, plenty of people are doing so now. Why can't Mexicans?

 

[Unkotare]

Well, I don't know how to say this. I don't know the exact numbers, but most Americans want gun control. ...

CNN Poll: Majority of Americans Oppose Gun Laws, Feel Guns Make Public Places Safer

 

[MaryL]

Well, I don't know how to say this. I don't know the exact numbers, but most Americans want gun control. ...

CNN Poll: Majority of Americans Oppose Gun Laws, Feel Guns Make Public Places Safer

Only thing I can say is tôi không quan tâm.

 

[ptbw forever]

...
Fuck the fact that you just displaced the very people who built the country.

Displacing all the 200 year olds?

"...and our POSTERITY"

 

[Unkotare]

Well, I don't know how to say this. I don't know the exact numbers, but most Americans want gun control. ...

CNN Poll: Majority of Americans Oppose Gun Laws, Feel Guns Make Public Places Safer

Only thing I can say is tôi không quan tâm.

Denying reality doesn't change it.

 

[Clementine]

Nobody takes the right wing seriously about the law or economics.

What an utterly childish response. You are clearly unable to give an opinion so you attack the messenger with a cheap shot. It's liberal debate 101. If you can't argue with facts, insult and run.

 

[danielpalos]

Nobody takes the right wing seriously about the law or economics.

What an utterly childish response. You are clearly unable to give an opinion so you attack the messenger with a cheap shot. It's liberal debate 101. If you can't argue with facts, insult and run.

Dear, all you had was right wing propaganda, not a real discussion.

 

[Correll]

The past performance of the agency is part of the current problem. An investigation as to how much of that was agents, and how much of that was from the TOP, ie past POTUSs, would probably be useless because congressmen on both sides of the aisle would sabotage any real findings.


But yes, that is certainly part of the problem.


I note that you still can't bring yourself to discuss the victims, nor really to admit that what you want is for such rapists to be released onto the streets.

Discussing the victim solves nothing. The victim will remain a victim, no matter how much the victim is discussed. The only issue worth discussing is how to stop someone else being victimized. It seems obvious to me that the feds are not doing their jobs. The issue then becomes "why not?", and "How to change that". What I am seeing from Trump and his followers is along these lines: "We are not doing our jobs, for whatever reason, so somebody else should do our job, too and if they don't do our jobs, then it is all their fault".

Trump's administration is leading to greatly increased deportations of assholes like this guy, AND fewer of them coming back.

Everything I have seen is that ICE is greatly upping it's game, motivated by a leader who supports their purpose.


Discussing the victim is important so that we don't lose sight of the cost of policies that people like you support.


Trump is the ONLY HOPE of taking any of the steps to reduce this source of victimization in America.


And you are completely opposed to him doing so.



Admit it. YOu want these rapists to stay.

It happened on Trump's watch. Maybe he needs to borrow Harry Truman's sign to put on his desk: "The buck stops here".

Says that man that won't mention WHAT happened, and won't admit that he fully supports the release of rapists like the one in the OP, to be released back on the US streets and given full Citizenship and be allowed to live here forever.


That is what you are here trying to support, dishonestly because, you want to make your case.

And you can't, not directly.


So you deflect, spin, lie...

Say, Correll, is everyone who refuses to be baited into the frame of discussion that you demand guilty of deflecting, spinning, and lies, or just me? I am very much aware that you want me to weigh into your emotional level of outrage at all illegal aliens because a woman got raped by one of them, but I prefer to think in terms of a solution to the problem, rather than to sink into xenophobia.

You complain about me framing the discussion in emotional terms and then you smear me with the bullshit "xenophobia" insult. LOL!!!


Y0u say you want solutions, but we are on page 10 and despite me repeatedly guessing what your "solution" would be, ie give them all citizenship and let more come, you have not put forth a single "solution".

You've certainly attacked Trump. And ICE. And me.

WHAT IS YOUR "SOLUTION"?

 

[Vandalshandle]

Discussing the victim solves nothing. The victim will remain a victim, no matter how much the victim is discussed. The only issue worth discussing is how to stop someone else being victimized. It seems obvious to me that the feds are not doing their jobs. The issue then becomes "why not?", and "How to change that". What I am seeing from Trump and his followers is along these lines: "We are not doing our jobs, for whatever reason, so somebody else should do our job, too and if they don't do our jobs, then it is all their fault".

Trump's administration is leading to greatly increased deportations of assholes like this guy, AND fewer of them coming back.

Everything I have seen is that ICE is greatly upping it's game, motivated by a leader who supports their purpose.


Discussing the victim is important so that we don't lose sight of the cost of policies that people like you support.


Trump is the ONLY HOPE of taking any of the steps to reduce this source of victimization in America.


And you are completely opposed to him doing so.



Admit it. YOu want these rapists to stay.

It happened on Trump's watch. Maybe he needs to borrow Harry Truman's sign to put on his desk: "The buck stops here".

Says that man that won't mention WHAT happened, and won't admit that he fully supports the release of rapists like the one in the OP, to be released back on the US streets and given full Citizenship and be allowed to live here forever.


That is what you are here trying to support, dishonestly because, you want to make your case.

And you can't, not directly.


So you deflect, spin, lie...

Say, Correll, is everyone who refuses to be baited into the frame of discussion that you demand guilty of deflecting, spinning, and lies, or just me? I am very much aware that you want me to weigh into your emotional level of outrage at all illegal aliens because a woman got raped by one of them, but I prefer to think in terms of a solution to the problem, rather than to sink into xenophobia.

You complain about me framing the discussion in emotional terms and then you smear me with the bullshit "xenophobia" insult. LOL!!!


Y0u say you want solutions, but we are on page 10 and despite me repeatedly guessing what your "solution" would be, ie give them all citizenship and let more come, you have not put forth a single "solution".

You've certainly attacked Trump. And ICE. And me.

WHAT IS YOUR "SOLUTION"?

The solution is for the feds to take responsibility for their failures, and take the responsibility to do their job going forward , without violating citizen's constitutional rights. Most of all the solution does NOT include demanding that other legal entities be punished for their failure to do the the feds own job.

When I hired someone in my career, I told them never to bring me a problem without also bringing me a solution. After all, I hired them to solve problems, not to whine and point fingers at other people. Trump's blaming "sanctuary cities" for their own failure is NOT a solution. The solution is for the feds to be proactive in processing illegal suspects into their own jurisdiction, and to quit wringing their hands when someone fails to do it for them.

 

[danielpalos]

Discussing the victim solves nothing. The victim will remain a victim, no matter how much the victim is discussed. The only issue worth discussing is how to stop someone else being victimized. It seems obvious to me that the feds are not doing their jobs. The issue then becomes "why not?", and "How to change that". What I am seeing from Trump and his followers is along these lines: "We are not doing our jobs, for whatever reason, so somebody else should do our job, too and if they don't do our jobs, then it is all their fault".

Trump's administration is leading to greatly increased deportations of assholes like this guy, AND fewer of them coming back.

Everything I have seen is that ICE is greatly upping it's game, motivated by a leader who supports their purpose.


Discussing the victim is important so that we don't lose sight of the cost of policies that people like you support.


Trump is the ONLY HOPE of taking any of the steps to reduce this source of victimization in America.


And you are completely opposed to him doing so.



Admit it. YOu want these rapists to stay.

It happened on Trump's watch. Maybe he needs to borrow Harry Truman's sign to put on his desk: "The buck stops here".

Says that man that won't mention WHAT happened, and won't admit that he fully supports the release of rapists like the one in the OP, to be released back on the US streets and given full Citizenship and be allowed to live here forever.


That is what you are here trying to support, dishonestly because, you want to make your case.

And you can't, not directly.


So you deflect, spin, lie...

Say, Correll, is everyone who refuses to be baited into the frame of discussion that you demand guilty of deflecting, spinning, and lies, or just me? I am very much aware that you want me to weigh into your emotional level of outrage at all illegal aliens because a woman got raped by one of them, but I prefer to think in terms of a solution to the problem, rather than to sink into xenophobia.

You complain about me framing the discussion in emotional terms and then you smear me with the bullshit "xenophobia" insult. LOL!!!


Y0u say you want solutions, but we are on page 10 and despite me repeatedly guessing what your "solution" would be, ie give them all citizenship and let more come, you have not put forth a single "solution".

You've certainly attacked Trump. And ICE. And me.

WHAT IS YOUR "SOLUTION"?

It is not a State problem since 1808; it is a federal problem that should be resolved at the federal borders with the federal powers already delegated in our federal Constitution.

Any good federalist will tell you, "it is the gospel Truth".