Saving America

[FlourPower]

How many of you out there believe that violence may be necessary to protect the Constitution? Or that the government is illegitimate for defiling the Constitution like it has. That war/revolt/armed civil disobedience may be required to salvage America?

You know the FBI and NSA read these forums, right?

And don't you know that using violence to change the political situation, when many peaceful options exist, is known as terrorism?

No its not. Its only terrorism when the left looks for a scary word to paint their opposition

-Geaux

Truer words, Geaux, never typed.

 

[racewright]

Read more at snopes.com: Saul Alinsky: How to Create a Social State

Interesting that you would include this link? You believe in telling the truth right? This is from that link:

Claim: List reproduces Saul Alinsky's rules for "How to Create a Social State."

FALSE

"The above-quoted list of steps for "How to create a social state," circulated in January 2014, is another example of a political linking of the names of Saul Alinsky and Barack Obama. It's not something taken from the actual writings of Saul Alinsky, though, and to those familiar with his background it doesn't even sound like something he would have written (e.g., the line about "controlling health care" is anachronistic for his era, and the idea of "increasing the poverty level as high as possible" is the very antithesis of what Alinsky worked to achieve). This piece is simply a modern variant of the decades-old, apocryphal Communist Rules for Revolution piece which was originally passed along without attribution until Alinsky's name became attached to it (presumably because someone out there thought it sounded like something Alinsky might have written)."
Read more at snopes.com: Saul Alinsky: How to Create a Social State

TRUTH, telling the truth is in the eyes of the beholder. Ones truth is another's lie just ask Harry.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Read more at snopes.com: Saul Alinsky: How to Create a Social State

Interesting that you would include this link? You believe in telling the truth right? This is from that link:

Claim: List reproduces Saul Alinsky's rules for "How to Create a Social State."

FALSE

"The above-quoted list of steps for "How to create a social state," circulated in January 2014, is another example of a political linking of the names of Saul Alinsky and Barack Obama. It's not something taken from the actual writings of Saul Alinsky, though, and to those familiar with his background it doesn't even sound like something he would have written (e.g., the line about "controlling health care" is anachronistic for his era, and the idea of "increasing the poverty level as high as possible" is the very antithesis of what Alinsky worked to achieve). This piece is simply a modern variant of the decades-old, apocryphal Communist Rules for Revolution piece which was originally passed along without attribution until Alinsky's name became attached to it (presumably because someone out there thought it sounded like something Alinsky might have written)."
Read more at snopes.com: Saul Alinsky: How to Create a Social State

TRUTH, telling the truth is in the eyes of the beholder. Ones truth is another's lie just ask Harry.

It can be subjective but if I tell that if you jump from a ten-story building gravity will take over soon and when you land it will probably kill you, your opinion of my facts really doesn't matter much. Your subjective "truth" that you can fly will likely be overruled by my "objective" truth that you cannot.

 

[racewright]

The first is the most important.

1) Healthcare — Control healthcare and you control the people

2) Poverty — Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

3) Debt — Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.

4) Gun Control — Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

5) Welfare — Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).

6) Education — Take control of what people read and listen to — take control of what children learn in school.

7) Religion — Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.

8) Class Warfare — Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

Now, think ...

Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States?

You know, I am conservative but these arguments are nonsense and don't reflect reality and are devoid of truth.

1. Healthcare...Mitt Romney and MA. The Republican health care plan (yes there is one). DOes that mean Romney and the GOP are trying to create a social state?

2. Poverty...how is Obama purposely increasingly the poverty level...how has he increased poverty any more than any other President. Do we blame Obama for the recession?

3. Debt, I guess Bill Clinton was our savior. How much debt did Iraq and Afghanistan cause?

4. What gun law has been passed under Obama
National Firearms Act (1934)
Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 (1968)
Gun Control Act of 1968 (1968)
Firearm Owners Protection Act (1986)
Undetectable Firearms Act (1988)
Gun-Free School Zones Act (1990) (ruled unconstitutional as originally written; has been upheld repeatedly after minor edits were made by Congress)
Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (1993)
Federal Assault Weapons Ban (1994–2004) (expired)
Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (2005)

5. Yeah...Ill give you this one.

6. Need examples...the most far reaching education act I know of was under Bush and No child left behind.

7. Im not aware of any actions by Obama to do this, but your right about the left.

8. Agreed.

2 out of 8. try again

I think the proper thing for you is cafeteria conservative.

1..just because Mass. has government healthcare does not make it ok for the feds to do it,Romney was wrong also.

2. This scares me that you call your self a conservative yet do not understand that not allowing or achieving prosperity is the best way to grow the poor.

3. Debt, yes Bush was an ass hole for raising the debt. Handling the so called wars the way the Pussy leaders and people of the USA do in this era is completely dumb, Make the places Glass. Much cheaper, oh and conquest should be the rule or do not fight.

4. Thank God that everywhere the Feds have dried to disarm the People a fight arose. But They will keep trying rest assured.
5. for it self

6. Do you not know what is going on in the schools and campuses in the USA Wake up and smell the coffee, you are one of the reasons our children are being brainwashed every day.
Why do you think Government fights charter schools. It is not all about teachers Unions

7. Obama is the Left and anti all religion but Muslim as they all are.

8 Ok

This socialist anti America doctrine is nothing but a list of past accomplishments, present goals and future possibilities. The men who left the Tyranny of Europe to establish a better place for all to live free also were aware of these possible damaging things. All true Americans need to also be.

I do not like the Right Left pick you team ideals of those in Politics. It is also scary that way to many on this site pick a team and curse the opposite team. remember 60 million to 65 million. The good people of the USA are very lucky that they get to change every four years or at most 8...we can only have faith that the constitution does not get totally destroyed by a destructive hate full mentality.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

America cannot be saved it is done. The only viable solution is to salvage part of it. Keep the flame of liberty alive long enough for better people to pick up the torch.

Sure thing. I believe you will be safe in the Aleutian Islands, where you can swim to true freedom in Russia if necessary.

I would much rather Russia restored liberty here.

You must be kidding, Katz! The Russians are not a free people! Putin is a murderer and a thief, a wife beating philanderer that kept his wife hidden away until he gave her permission to divorce him. A KGB THUG.

The corruption inside Russia is well documented. The Russian people have been defecting here for decades because they wanted to escape communism! They fled Russia because they feared their govt! Stalins own daughter fled Russia for the United States and lived here until she died. I could just throw up reading these comments about Putin as if he is some paragon of virtue! He's not!

 

[racewright]

the first is the most important.

1) healthcare — control healthcare and you control the people

2) poverty — increase the poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

3) debt — increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.

4) gun control — remove the ability to defend themselves from the government. That way you are able to create a police state.

5) welfare — take control of every aspect of their lives (food, housing, and income).

6) education — take control of what people read and listen to — take control of what children learn in school.

7) religion — remove the belief in the god from the government and schools.

8) class warfare — divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

Now, think ...

Does any of this sound like what is happening to the united states?

you know, i am conservative but these arguments are nonsense and don't reflect reality and are devoid of truth.

1. Healthcare...mitt romney and ma. The republican health care plan (yes there is one). Does that mean romney and the gop are trying to create a social state?

2. Poverty...how is obama purposely increasingly the poverty level...how has he increased poverty any more than any other president. Do we blame obama for the recession?

3. Debt, i guess bill clinton was our savior. How much debt did iraq and afghanistan cause?

4. What gun law has been passed under obama
national firearms act (1934)
omnibus crime control and safe streets act of 1968 (1968)
gun control act of 1968 (1968)
firearm owners protection act (1986)
undetectable firearms act (1988)
gun-free school zones act (1990) (ruled unconstitutional as originally written; has been upheld repeatedly after minor edits were made by congress)
brady handgun violence prevention act (1993)
federal assault weapons ban (1994–2004) (expired)
protection of lawful commerce in arms act (2005)

5. Yeah...ill give you this one.

6. Need examples...the most far reaching education act i know of was under bush and no child left behind.

7. Im not aware of any actions by obama to do this, but your right about the left.

8. Agreed.

2 out of 8. Try again

well

 

[Drake_Roberts]

Your friends wouldn't know shit. If any government agency wanted you dead, you'd die. There wouldn't be any grand trial or even an investigation. They'd pay a crackhead $200 to shank you in the ribs and you'd die.

I live in a quiet suburb filled with old people. Good luck finding a crackhead to do me in anywhere nearby. And my friends spectate this site. If I stop posting, they'd know in three-four days and be on the move, mobilizing people and would have already appointed my replacement.

So they would wait for you to die to start mobilizing people???

The humor is non-stop.

A martyr makes for easy mobilization.

 

[Drake_Roberts]

Your friends wouldn't know shit. If any government agency wanted you dead, you'd die. There wouldn't be any grand trial or even an investigation. They'd pay a crackhead $200 to shank you in the ribs and you'd die.

I live in a quiet suburb filled with old people. Good luck finding a crackhead to do me in anywhere nearby. And my friends spectate this site. If I stop posting, they'd know in three-four days and be on the move, mobilizing people and would have already appointed my replacement.

Wow, you think there are no crackheads or meth addicts in Southern Indiana? LOL, you have no clue. Im guessing your age to be 15 with no life experience...but indeed a know it all. Southern Indiana has some pretty bad characters...why do you think there is a jail in places like Paoli or Santa Claus, IN. Crackheads and drug addicts are all around you (yes, there are white crackheads snd many meth heads in Southern, IN. Your oblivious!

I am well aware of my area's reputation for crackheads and meth addicts. But I live in a quiet suburb filled with old people on the outskirts of town. There hasn't been any crime in the miles around my place for years, let alone drugs. You'd have to gotwenty miles to find ample numbers of crackheads. Plus, are they going to kill me in the street? I don't walk around dark alleys that much, thank you. My house? Good luck with that. My college? Good luck getting a meth addict armed with weapons into a lecture hall.

 

[Drake_Roberts]

Violence was necessary to create it, Drake. But what purpose would it serve to shed blood? It would defile our image as a nation and project to the rest of the world that we are not interested in diplomacy or listening to our citizens, but bloodshed. Why must everything and everyone resort to violence to solve a problem?

Because violence may become the only answer to a broken system.

Nonsense.

The ‘system’ isn’t ‘broken,’ the fact that gay Americans are soon to realize their comprehensive civil liberties is proof of that.

I am one of the Catholics who doesn't give a damn what gays do. Let them be gay. I can't change them. You can't change them. So what's the point of bickering over it? Let them have their rights.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

I live in a quiet suburb filled with old people. Good luck finding a crackhead to do me in anywhere nearby. And my friends spectate this site. If I stop posting, they'd know in three-four days and be on the move, mobilizing people and would have already appointed my replacement.

Wow, you think there are no crackheads or meth addicts in Southern Indiana? LOL, you have no clue. Im guessing your age to be 15 with no life experience...but indeed a know it all. Southern Indiana has some pretty bad characters...why do you think there is a jail in places like Paoli or Santa Claus, IN. Crackheads and drug addicts are all around you (yes, there are white crackheads snd many meth heads in Southern, IN. Your oblivious!

I am well aware of my area's reputation for crackheads and meth addicts. But I live in a quiet suburb filled with old people on the outskirts of town. There hasn't been any crime in the miles around my place for years, let alone drugs. You'd have to gotwenty miles to find ample numbers of crackheads. Plus, are they going to kill me in the street? I don't walk around dark alleys that much, thank you. My house? Good luck with that. My college? Good luck getting a meth addict armed with weapons into a lecture hall.

Got your tinfoil hat on tonight? They are listening, as always, shhhh...

 

[Drake_Roberts]

I'm not suggesting anything my little paranoid friend. The people who invented locking up the key and throwing away the room don't announce themselves. Should they need to advance your departure, you will never know that they arrived. Rest easy, you won't feel a thing.

Killing me in my sleep? Won't work. I also post under a pseudonym made of three people's pseudonyms who jointly use this account. If I were to disappear, my two comrades would know within a day or two. And because we have never communicated electronically, the government can't trace them (good luck tracing slips of paper written in code which were subsequently burnt). And after killing me or taking me or whatever, my fiancée would know too. Besides, my two comrades would recruit a new person into the inner circle to replace me as Roberts and would gladly make public the fact the gov't took me without a trial.

You have comrades? COOL!

Drake, _, and the other people we've recruited.

 

[Katzndogz]

Sure thing. I believe you will be safe in the Aleutian Islands, where you can swim to true freedom in Russia if necessary.

I would much rather Russia restored liberty here.

You must be kidding, Katz! The Russians are not a free people! Putin is a murderer and a thief, a wife beating philanderer that kept his wife hidden away until he gave her permission to divorce him. A KGB THUG.

The corruption inside Russia is well documented. The Russian people have been defecting here for decades because they wanted to escape communism! They fled Russia because they feared their govt! Stalins own daughter fled Russia for the United States and lived here until she died. I could just throw up reading these comments about Putin as if he is some paragon of virtue! He's not!

While everything you say is the absolute truth obama is worse. America will be saved if obama is put in handcuffs and leg irons then dragged out of the white house behind Putin's pick up truck.

I can understand why Mussolini and his wife were hanged upside down by the ankles.

 

[Katzndogz]

By the way Russians have defected here. Now Americans are defecting to Russia.

 

[Unkotare]

How many of you out there believe that violence may be necessary to protect the Constitution? Or that the government is illegitimate for defiling the Constitution like it has. That war/revolt/armed civil disobedience may be required to salvage America?

As long as YOU get your worthless ass out of our country quietly there should be no trouble. Just pack up your one tooth and start walking toward an ocean.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

By the way Russians have defected here. Now Americans are defecting to Russia.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Call if you boxes, or help packing.

 

[candycorn]

By the way Russians have defected here. Now Americans are defecting to Russia.

Really? What americans have defected to Russia lately?

 

[Drake_Roberts]

How many of you out there believe that violence may be necessary to protect the Constitution? Or that the government is illegitimate for defiling the Constitution like it has. That war/revolt/armed civil disobedience may be required to salvage America?

As long as YOU get your worthless ass out of our country quietly there should be no trouble. Just pack up your one tooth and start walking toward an ocean.

As long as YOU get your worthless ass out of our country quietly there should be no trouble. Just pack up your one tooth and start walking toward an ocean.

 

[candycorn]

I live in a quiet suburb filled with old people. Good luck finding a crackhead to do me in anywhere nearby. And my friends spectate this site. If I stop posting, they'd know in three-four days and be on the move, mobilizing people and would have already appointed my replacement.

So they would wait for you to die to start mobilizing people???

The humor is non-stop.

A martyr makes for easy mobilization.

Good compost as well. You'd probably have a more fruitful life as compost.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

By the way Russians have defected here. Now Americans are defecting to Russia.

Really? What americans have defected to Russia lately?

Several of his best imaginary friends. So sad.

 

[Drake_Roberts]

So they would wait for you to die to start mobilizing people???

The humor is non-stop.

A martyr makes for easy mobilization.

Good compost as well. You'd probably have a more fruitful life as compost.

Yes, but imagine the outrage of someone being executed by the military in the middle of the night with no trial, no overt act of war, no witnesses, no justice because he utilized his freedom of speech against the corrupt forces at work in Washington. Your arguments become worthless. The US no longer stands for justice when executing US citizens in their homes without a trial for using the rights we supposedly have.