Schumer's pipe dream, a trial with.....you know.....evidence.

[bripat9643]

Why doesn’t the Republican Senate apply the same rules to Trump as they did to Clinton?

Did the House Dims apply the same rules to Trump as they did to Clinton?

 

[Faun]

Of course it does.

He asked a foreign national to investigate a political rival who's also campaigning for the office of president. An investigation is something of value that benefits his campaign.

You have summed up the democrst complaint

but I and most other people do not accept that claim

How is a president soliciting a foreign national to investigate a political rival not violating that law?

You only see biden as a political candidate rather than a former VP who abused his office

It doesn't matter. Under no circumstance can Trump break solicit a foreign national to investigate a political rival. Even if Trump suspected Biden committed a crime, he should have had his own Justice Department investigate Biden, not a foreign national. It involved a political rival. It's illegal and a threat to national security to delegate that job to a foreign nation.

We've already told you, the DOJ is a next of deep state vipers. Trump gave the job to someone he could trust, not someone who was going to try to get him impeached or leak classified secrets to the press. That's not illegal.

You're also wrong in claiming that a foreign government to investigate American crooks in their country. The treaty we signed with Ukraine proves that theory is bogus from the starting gate.

You're inventing legal theories out of thin air.

LOLOL

You're such a lying fucking moron.

Lying fucking moron, Trump doesn't get to violate the law just because lying fucking morons like you are conspiracy nuts. And if he can't trust Barr, then he should have appointed someone he can trust.

 

[bripat9643]

You have summed up the democrst complaint

but I and most other people do not accept that claim

How is a president soliciting a foreign national to investigate a political rival not violating that law?

You only see biden as a political candidate rather than a former VP who abused his office

It doesn't matter. Under no circumstance can Trump break solicit a foreign national to investigate a political rival. Even if Trump suspected Biden committed a crime, he should have had his own Justice Department investigate Biden, not a foreign national. It involved a political rival. It's illegal and a threat to national security to delegate that job to a foreign nation.

We've already told you, the DOJ is a next of deep state vipers. Trump gave the job to someone he could trust, not someone who was going to try to get him impeached or leak classified secrets to the press. That's not illegal.

You're also wrong in claiming that a foreign government to investigate American crooks in their country. The treaty we signed with Ukraine proves that theory is bogus from the starting gate.

You're inventing legal theories out of thin air.

LOLOL

You're such a lying fucking moron.

Lying fucking moron, Trump doesn't get to violate the law just because lying fucking morons like you are conspiracy nuts. And if he can't trust Barr, then he should have appointed someone he can trust.

He can trust Barr, but not anyone who was here during the last administration.

Horowitz just proved that the DOJ is a nest of deep state traitors.

 

[Faun]

Of course it does.

He asked a foreign national to investigate a political rival who's also campaigning for the office of president. An investigation is something of value that benefits his campaign.

You have summed up the democrst complaint

but I and most other people do not accept that claim

How is a president soliciting a foreign national to investigate a political rival not violating that law?

You only see biden as a political candidate rather than a former VP who abused his office

It doesn't matter. Under no circumstance can Trump break solicit a foreign national to investigate a political rival. Even if Trump suspected Biden committed a crime, he should have had his own Justice Department investigate Biden, not a foreign national. It involved a political rival. It's illegal and a threat to national security to delegate that job to a foreign nation.

We've already told you, the DOJ is a next of deep state vipers. Trump gave the job to someone he could trust, not someone who was going to try to get him impeached or leak classified secrets to the press. That's not illegal.

You're also wrong in claiming that a foreign government to investigate American crooks in their country. The treaty we signed with Ukraine proves that theory is bogus from the starting gate.

You're inventing legal theories out of thin air.

Again, the term "solicit" implies a crime was committed. You're begging the question whenever you use it.

As far as the treaty, YOU posted provisions in it must be followed. And the provision for making requests must come from our Attorney General, not the president. And they must be made to their Minister of Justice, not their president. And requests must be made on ongoing investigations, not opening up new ones.

 

[hadit]

They can, if the Republicans in charge allow them to.

Why wouldn't they allow testimony that explains how "perfect" the president acted?

Because they know that putting someone under oath in front of the howling mob isn't a wise thing when they don't have to.

More like it's not wise to to put somone under oath who will only further incriminate the president.

If there were excuplpatory testimony to be had by administration officials, it would have happened already.

That's certainly one belief system. Since none of us are privy to the president's inner thoughts, it's only speculation.

It's not speculation. Those are the people who actually carried out the plan, dope.

Oh hey, look, a juvenile insult. How clever. Did you impress a child with it? Now, you might want to check your foil helmet. It's not working.

 

[Faun]

How is a president soliciting a foreign national to investigate a political rival not violating that law?

You only see biden as a political candidate rather than a former VP who abused his office

It doesn't matter. Under no circumstance can Trump break solicit a foreign national to investigate a political rival. Even if Trump suspected Biden committed a crime, he should have had his own Justice Department investigate Biden, not a foreign national. It involved a political rival. It's illegal and a threat to national security to delegate that job to a foreign nation.

We've already told you, the DOJ is a next of deep state vipers. Trump gave the job to someone he could trust, not someone who was going to try to get him impeached or leak classified secrets to the press. That's not illegal.

You're also wrong in claiming that a foreign government to investigate American crooks in their country. The treaty we signed with Ukraine proves that theory is bogus from the starting gate.

You're inventing legal theories out of thin air.

LOLOL

You're such a lying fucking moron.

Lying fucking moron, Trump doesn't get to violate the law just because lying fucking morons like you are conspiracy nuts. And if he can't trust Barr, then he should have appointed someone he can trust.

He can trust Barr, but not anyone who was here during the last administration.

Horowitz just proved that the DOJ is a nest of deep state traitors.

Then that's Barr's problem to clean up. That doesn't give Trump the authority to usurp the law.

 

[hadit]

They can, if the Republicans in charge allow them to.

Why wouldn't they allow testimony that explains how "perfect" the president acted?

So you believe it's ok for the DA to ask the jury to help find more evidence? lol
If democrats had a case they wouldn't be asking for more help from the senate. Anyone with any amount of common sense would see it.

I believe we should hear from the involved officials themselves. A genuine trial would welcome it.

It has nothing to do with the strength of the case. There is plenty of evidence already.

The House could have compelled the testimony. It's not on the Senate to make up for their failings.

Not doing it is the Senate's failing.

Since when is it their job to cover for a sloppy impeachment? It's not their fault the House failed.

 

[hadit]

They can, if the Republicans in charge allow them to.

Why wouldn't they allow testimony that explains how "perfect" the president acted?

So you believe it's ok for the DA to ask the jury to help find more evidence? lol
If democrats had a case they wouldn't be asking for more help from the senate. Anyone with any amount of common sense would see it.

I believe we should hear from the involved officials themselves. A genuine trial would welcome it.

It has nothing to do with the strength of the case. There is plenty of evidence already.

The House could have compelled the testimony. It's not on the Senate to make up for their failings.

The House would get their testimony in a few years. The Senate has an obligation to seek the truth. They’re going to help cover for Trump instead.

Remember 2000? Things can be fast tracked in the courts. And the Senate's job is to judge the House's case, not look for ways to get guilty.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You mean like the House impeachment that presented zero evidence of a crime and now MUST Drop the "obstruction" charge?

An impeachment isn't required to "present evidence of a crime". Besides which, no impeachment has even started. Therefore there's no "charge" to "drop".

Hell I ain't even paying attention and even I know that much. See, this is why I fired my TV long ago.

Really? You can impeach just for having control of the House? That's amazing!

The COTUS does not define what makes a "high crime or misdemeanor". You know, like it doesn't define "well oiled militia" or whatever it is.

The Constitution may not define it as you think but laws do define what is and is not

The Constitution **IS** the law on that.

But we have laws that define crimes next

 

[bripat9643]

You have summed up the democrst complaint

but I and most other people do not accept that claim

How is a president soliciting a foreign national to investigate a political rival not violating that law?

You only see biden as a political candidate rather than a former VP who abused his office

It doesn't matter. Under no circumstance can Trump break solicit a foreign national to investigate a political rival. Even if Trump suspected Biden committed a crime, he should have had his own Justice Department investigate Biden, not a foreign national. It involved a political rival. It's illegal and a threat to national security to delegate that job to a foreign nation.

We've already told you, the DOJ is a next of deep state vipers. Trump gave the job to someone he could trust, not someone who was going to try to get him impeached or leak classified secrets to the press. That's not illegal.

You're also wrong in claiming that a foreign government to investigate American crooks in their country. The treaty we signed with Ukraine proves that theory is bogus from the starting gate.

You're inventing legal theories out of thin air.

Again, the term "solicit" implies a crime was committed. You're begging the question whenever you use it.

As far as the treaty, YOU posted provisions in it must be followed. And the provision for making requests must come from our Attorney General, not the president. And they must be made to their Minister of Justice, not their president. And requests must be made on ongoing investigations, not opening up new ones.

ROFL! Now you're trying to claim (without actually claiming it) than not going by the procedure in the treaty is a crime. The fact is they must be followed only if you want the cooperation of the signers to the treaty. It doesn't make not following the procedure a crime, you fucking douchebag.

The existence of the treaty shows that it's not illegal to ask a foreign government for help in prosecuting American criminals.

In your douchebag fashion, you come down on both wrong sides of that issue.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Dems interviewing gov officials in a closet is not exactly a fair process.
Hillary lost, get over it or move to your NewSSR.

Were Republicans in that closet as well?

No

That's a lie, there was a republican present at every interview. Trump Humpers lie like a rug.

Wrong. They were shut out. Democrats think they own the gov.

That's a lie.

Liar

 

[hadit]

The House could have compelled the testimony.

They tried. Trump obstructed them.

Trump claims he didn't do anything wrong.

A poll released Tuesday by ABC News and The Washington Post found that about 7 in 10 Americans think the administration officials should be able to testify. In an example of bipartisan agreement, 79% of Democrats, 64% of Republicans and 72% of independents agree that Trump should allow them to appear in a Senate trial in the likely event that the House votes to impeach him.

If the witnesses will exonerate him, why won't he let the witnesses testify?

Schiff could have forced the testimony. Why didn't he?

 

[bripat9643]

You only see biden as a political candidate rather than a former VP who abused his office

It doesn't matter. Under no circumstance can Trump break solicit a foreign national to investigate a political rival. Even if Trump suspected Biden committed a crime, he should have had his own Justice Department investigate Biden, not a foreign national. It involved a political rival. It's illegal and a threat to national security to delegate that job to a foreign nation.

We've already told you, the DOJ is a next of deep state vipers. Trump gave the job to someone he could trust, not someone who was going to try to get him impeached or leak classified secrets to the press. That's not illegal.

You're also wrong in claiming that a foreign government to investigate American crooks in their country. The treaty we signed with Ukraine proves that theory is bogus from the starting gate.

You're inventing legal theories out of thin air.

LOLOL

You're such a lying fucking moron.

Lying fucking moron, Trump doesn't get to violate the law just because lying fucking morons like you are conspiracy nuts. And if he can't trust Barr, then he should have appointed someone he can trust.

He can trust Barr, but not anyone who was here during the last administration.

Horowitz just proved that the DOJ is a nest of deep state traitors.

Then that's Barr's problem to clean up. That doesn't give Trump the authority to usurp the law.

It's the reason he doesn't go through the DOJ, dumbfuck. The law doesn't require him to go through the DOJ. Cleaning up the DOJ is going to be a monumental task.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Why wouldn't they allow testimony that explains how "perfect" the president acted?

So you believe it's ok for the DA to ask the jury to help find more evidence? lol
If democrats had a case they wouldn't be asking for more help from the senate. Anyone with any amount of common sense would see it.

I believe we should hear from the involved officials themselves. A genuine trial would welcome it.

It has nothing to do with the strength of the case. There is plenty of evidence already.

It's not the jury's job to look for evidence for the accusers.

The senate is more than the jury during impeachment. Normally, a jury doesn’t have the authority to call witnesses.

the constitution makes it clear there is no jury in an impeachment -

does anyone think the board Russians give a shit what OUR constitution states and means -- fuck no they dont.

We've been through this before
The Senate is the Jury and Judge in all impeachment EXCEPT for impeachment of the President. The Chief Justice presides over the impeachment
THE SENATE IS STILL THE JURY

 

[bripat9643]

None of that applies to trump

Of course it does.

He asked a foreign national to investigate a political rival who's also campaigning for the office of president. An investigation is something of value that benefits his campaign.

You have summed up the democrst complaint

but I and most other people do not accept that claim

How is a president soliciting a foreign national to investigate a political rival not violating that law?

You only see biden as a political candidate rather than a former VP who abused his office

It doesn't matter. Under no circumstance can Trump break the law by soliciting a foreign national to investigate a political rival. Even if Trump suspected Biden committed a crime, he should have had his own Justice Department investigate Biden, not a foreign national. It involved a political rival. It's illegal and a threat to national security to delegate that job to a foreign nation.

As I have pointed out 100 times, the term "solicit" implies something illegal. So you're saying it's illegal to ask a foreign government for help because it's illegal to ask a foreign government for help.

There's no law that says the government can't investigate political candidates if they have broken the law. They don't get a "get out of jail free" card because they filed to run for office.

If your claims are true, then why didn't the House Dims file a charge on that issue? Apparently, even they know you're full of shit.

 

[colfax_m]

Why wouldn't they allow testimony that explains how "perfect" the president acted?

So you believe it's ok for the DA to ask the jury to help find more evidence? lol
If democrats had a case they wouldn't be asking for more help from the senate. Anyone with any amount of common sense would see it.

I believe we should hear from the involved officials themselves. A genuine trial would welcome it.

It has nothing to do with the strength of the case. There is plenty of evidence already.

The House could have compelled the testimony. It's not on the Senate to make up for their failings.

The House would get their testimony in a few years. The Senate has an obligation to seek the truth. They’re going to help cover for Trump instead.

Remember 2000? Things can be fast tracked in the courts. And the Senate's job is to judge the House's case, not look for ways to get guilty.

Only when both parties agree to fast track it. Do you think Trump will agree to fast track this case?

 

[Faun]

How is a president soliciting a foreign national to investigate a political rival not violating that law?

You only see biden as a political candidate rather than a former VP who abused his office

It doesn't matter. Under no circumstance can Trump break solicit a foreign national to investigate a political rival. Even if Trump suspected Biden committed a crime, he should have had his own Justice Department investigate Biden, not a foreign national. It involved a political rival. It's illegal and a threat to national security to delegate that job to a foreign nation.

We've already told you, the DOJ is a next of deep state vipers. Trump gave the job to someone he could trust, not someone who was going to try to get him impeached or leak classified secrets to the press. That's not illegal.

You're also wrong in claiming that a foreign government to investigate American crooks in their country. The treaty we signed with Ukraine proves that theory is bogus from the starting gate.

You're inventing legal theories out of thin air.

Again, the term "solicit" implies a crime was committed. You're begging the question whenever you use it.

As far as the treaty, YOU posted provisions in it must be followed. And the provision for making requests must come from our Attorney General, not the president. And they must be made to their Minister of Justice, not their president. And requests must be made on ongoing investigations, not opening up new ones.

ROFL! Now you're trying to claim (without actually claiming it) than not going by the procedure in the treaty is a crime. The fact is they must be followed only if you want the cooperation of the signers to the treaty. It doesn't make not following the procedure a crime, you fucking douchebag.

The existence of the treaty shows that it's not illegal to ask a foreign government for help in prosecuting American criminals.

In your douchebag fashion, you come down on both wrong sides of that issue.

LOLOL

You poor, deranged, lying fucking moron... YOU say I said it's a crime to not adhere to the treaty -- I never said that. I said he's not covered by the treaty because he didn't use it, but instead, went directly to the president of Ukraine.

 

[Faun]

It doesn't matter. Under no circumstance can Trump break solicit a foreign national to investigate a political rival. Even if Trump suspected Biden committed a crime, he should have had his own Justice Department investigate Biden, not a foreign national. It involved a political rival. It's illegal and a threat to national security to delegate that job to a foreign nation.

We've already told you, the DOJ is a next of deep state vipers. Trump gave the job to someone he could trust, not someone who was going to try to get him impeached or leak classified secrets to the press. That's not illegal.

You're also wrong in claiming that a foreign government to investigate American crooks in their country. The treaty we signed with Ukraine proves that theory is bogus from the starting gate.

You're inventing legal theories out of thin air.

LOLOL

You're such a lying fucking moron.

Lying fucking moron, Trump doesn't get to violate the law just because lying fucking morons like you are conspiracy nuts. And if he can't trust Barr, then he should have appointed someone he can trust.

He can trust Barr, but not anyone who was here during the last administration.

Horowitz just proved that the DOJ is a nest of deep state traitors.

Then that's Barr's problem to clean up. That doesn't give Trump the authority to usurp the law.

It's the reason he doesn't go through the DOJ, dumbfuck. The law doesn't require him to go through the DOJ. Cleaning up the DOJ is going to be a monumental task.

The law doesn't allow him to solicit a foreign national to investigate a political rival.

 

[colfax_m]

So you believe it's ok for the DA to ask the jury to help find more evidence? lol
If democrats had a case they wouldn't be asking for more help from the senate. Anyone with any amount of common sense would see it.

I believe we should hear from the involved officials themselves. A genuine trial would welcome it.

It has nothing to do with the strength of the case. There is plenty of evidence already.

It's not the jury's job to look for evidence for the accusers.

The senate is more than the jury during impeachment. Normally, a jury doesn’t have the authority to call witnesses.

the constitution makes it clear there is no jury in an impeachment -

does anyone think the board Russians give a shit what OUR constitution states and means -- fuck no they dont.

We've been through this before
The Senate is the Jury and Judge in all impeachment EXCEPT for impeachment of the President. The Chief Justice presides over the impeachment
THE SENATE IS STILL THE JURY

Its a limited analogy. They’re more than the jury since apparently the Senate has to agree what witnesses will be called. This is a decision typically left to the prosecutor and defense, not the jury.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

So you believe it's ok for the DA to ask the jury to help find more evidence? lol
If democrats had a case they wouldn't be asking for more help from the senate. Anyone with any amount of common sense would see it.

I believe we should hear from the involved officials themselves. A genuine trial would welcome it.

It has nothing to do with the strength of the case. There is plenty of evidence already.

It's not the jury's job to look for evidence for the accusers.

The senate is more than the jury during impeachment. Normally, a jury doesn’t have the authority to call witnesses.

The Senate is the jury that's all they are

I’ve never heard of a jury vote on witnesses to be called in a case, have you?

The Senate is the jury what's your point? but no the jury doesn't investigate for the prosecution