Science rejects fix for global warming.

[ding]

I'm making an economic argument.

They are interconnected arguments. The most economical way of raising standard of living in under served countries are fossil fuels.

 

[westwall]

But fighting climate change will create jobs. Isn't that what the poor need?

The poor need to not die. Current climate policy is killing thousands every year.

And, there is ZERO evidence to support the policies that are killing them.

 

[Stryder50]

I suggested paper chaff.

MSN

www.msn.com

OMG!
This OP and the linked article are proof that there are too many stupid, ignorant idiots addressing the non-problem of ACC/AGW!

Let's start with an excerpt from that linked article;
"
When US startup Make Sunsets released two weather balloons into the skies above Mexico’s Baja California peninsula last year, it kicked up a fierce debate about one of the world’s most controversial climate solutions.

The plan was for the balloons, filled with helium and a small amount of sulfur dioxide, to float high into the stratosphere. There they would burst, dispersing their load of sun-reflecting sulfur dioxide particles and cool the Earth, just a tiny bit.

Some dismissed it as a stunt. It is not clear if any particles were actually released or even if the balloons made it to the stratosphere. But Make Sunsets’ experiment is significant for crossing a threshold when it comes to a hotly-debated climate solution: solar geoengineering.

To its supporters, solar geoengineering is a fix we cannot ignore as the world hurtles toward climate disaster. For critics, it is a technology so dangerous we shouldn’t even research it."
....

To begin with, sulfur dioxide in the atmosphere combines with water vapor to produce sulfuric acid = acid rain !!!
Several decades ago this was deemed a serious pollution problem that needed to be addressed.
Hence we saw the advent of Flue-Gas Desulfurization* systems used with fossil fuel/carbon resources being burned for electrical energy generation purposes. Primarily coal fueled electrical generation power systems.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
*
Flue-gas desulfurization (FGD) is a set of technologies used to remove sulfur dioxide (SO2) from exhaust flue gases of fossil-fuel power plants, and from the emissions of other sulfur oxide emitting processes such as waste incineration, petroleum refineries, cement and lime kilns.

Methods​

Since stringent environmental regulations limiting SO2 emissions have been enacted in many countries, SO2 is being removed from flue gases by a variety of methods. Common methods used:

• Wet scrubbing using a slurry of alkaline sorbent, usually limestone or lime, or seawater to scrub gases;
• Spray-dry scrubbing using similar sorbent slurries;
• Wet sulfuric acid process recovering sulfur in the form of commercial quality sulfuric acid;
• SNOX Flue gas desulfurization removes sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides and particulates from flue gases;
• Dry sorbent injection systems that introduce powdered hydrated lime (or other sorbent material) into exhaust ducts to eliminate SO2 and SO3 from process emissions.[1]

For a typical coal-fired power station, flue-gas desulfurization (FGD) may remove 90 percent or more of the SO2 in the flue gases.[2]

History​

Methods of removing sulfur dioxide from boiler and furnace exhaust gases have been studied for over 150 years. Early ideas for flue gas desulfurization were established in England around 1850.

With the construction of large-scale power plants in England in the 1920s, the problems associated with large volumes of SO2 from a single site began to concern the public. The SO2 emissions problem did not receive much attention until 1929, when the House of Lords upheld the claim of a landowner against the Barton Electricity Works of the Manchester Corporation for damages to his land resulting from SO2 emissions. Shortly thereafter, a press campaign was launched against the erection of power plants within the confines of London. This outcry led to the imposition of SO2 controls on all such power plants.[3]
.....

Flue-gas desulfurization - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sadly, too many of you idiots are allowed to vote, or comment here.
Injury to insult comes from sources like this MSN article where the author is an even greater ignorant idiot and presents this load of tripe as if it were serious "science" to consider.

We have a clear case here why our species may be doomed by the idiots that "inform and lead us" by presenting such blatant idiocy and folly as this article and it's supposed "solution" which is not a solution to a "not problem".

And people wonder why the extraterrestrial aliens haven't made contact with us.
It's because there are too many Idiots like this guiding and leading our species on the path to extinction.

This thread and it's OP are proof that our education system isn't such and is key to making too many of us too stupid!

Insert emoji of banging a head against a wall.

 

[Woodznutz]

They are interconnected arguments. The most economical way of raising standard of living in under served countries are fossil fuels.

I agree. I'm all for fossil fuels, and clean energy. Each has a place.

 

[Woodznutz]

OMG!
This OP and the linked article are proof that there are too many stupid, ignorant idiots addressing the non-problem of ACC/AGW!

Let's start with an excerpt from that linked article;
"
When US startup Make Sunsets released two weather balloons into the skies above Mexico’s Baja California peninsula last year, it kicked up a fierce debate about one of the world’s most controversial climate solutions.

The plan was for the balloons, filled with helium and a small amount of sulfur dioxide, to float high into the stratosphere. There they would burst, dispersing their load of sun-reflecting sulfur dioxide particles and cool the Earth, just a tiny bit.

Some dismissed it as a stunt. It is not clear if any particles were actually released or even if the balloons made it to the stratosphere. But Make Sunsets’ experiment is significant for crossing a threshold when it comes to a hotly-debated climate solution: solar geoengineering.

To its supporters, solar geoengineering is a fix we cannot ignore as the world hurtles toward climate disaster. For critics, it is a technology so dangerous we shouldn’t even research it."
....

To begin with, sulfur dioxide in the atmosphere combines with water vapor to produce sulfuric acid = acid rain !!!
Several decades ago this was deemed a serious pollution problem that needed to be addressed.
Hence we saw the advent of Flue-Gas Desulfurization* systems used with fossil fuel/carbon resources being burned for electrical energy generation purposes. Primarily coal fueled electrical generation power systems.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
*
Flue-gas desulfurization (FGD) is a set of technologies used to remove sulfur dioxide (SO2) from exhaust flue gases of fossil-fuel power plants, and from the emissions of other sulfur oxide emitting processes such as waste incineration, petroleum refineries, cement and lime kilns.

Methods​

Since stringent environmental regulations limiting SO2 emissions have been enacted in many countries, SO2 is being removed from flue gases by a variety of methods. Common methods used:

• Wet scrubbing using a slurry of alkaline sorbent, usually limestone or lime, or seawater to scrub gases;
• Spray-dry scrubbing using similar sorbent slurries;
• Wet sulfuric acid process recovering sulfur in the form of commercial quality sulfuric acid;
• SNOX Flue gas desulfurization removes sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides and particulates from flue gases;
• Dry sorbent injection systems that introduce powdered hydrated lime (or other sorbent material) into exhaust ducts to eliminate SO2 and SO3 from process emissions.[1]

For a typical coal-fired power station, flue-gas desulfurization (FGD) may remove 90 percent or more of the SO2 in the flue gases.[2]

History​

Methods of removing sulfur dioxide from boiler and furnace exhaust gases have been studied for over 150 years. Early ideas for flue gas desulfurization were established in England around 1850.

With the construction of large-scale power plants in England in the 1920s, the problems associated with large volumes of SO2 from a single site began to concern the public. The SO2 emissions problem did not receive much attention until 1929, when the House of Lords upheld the claim of a landowner against the Barton Electricity Works of the Manchester Corporation for damages to his land resulting from SO2 emissions. Shortly thereafter, a press campaign was launched against the erection of power plants within the confines of London. This outcry led to the imposition of SO2 controls on all such power plants.[3]
.....

Flue-gas desulfurization - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sadly, too many of you idiots are allowed to vote, or comment here.
Injury to insult comes from sources like this MSN article where the author is an even greater ignorant idiot and presents this load of tripe as if it were serious "science" to consider.

We have a clear case here why our species may be doomed by the idiots that "inform and lead us" by presenting such blatant idiocy and folly as this article and it's supposed "solution" which is not a solution to a "not problem".

And people wonder why the extraterrestrial aliens haven't made contact with us.
It's because there are too many Idiots like this guiding and leading our species on the path to extinction.

This thread and it's OP are proof that our education system isn't such and is key to making too many of us too stupid!

Insert emoji of banging a head against a wall.

Good points. That's why I suggested paper chaff. As long as the government and most scientists insist there is a problem let's go ahead and solve it. The world won't end if we do.

 

[Woodznutz]

The poor need to not die. Current climate policy is killing thousands every year.

And, there is ZERO evidence to support the policies that are killing them.

Actually, the climate kills more people than climate policy.

 

[Woodznutz]

I'm making an economic argument.

Of course, those green jobs require a good education, although some unskilled labor is always needed for most enterprises.

https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/finding-a-job/what-are-green-jobs

 

[Crick]

The poor need to not die. Current climate policy is killing thousands every year.

And, there is ZERO evidence to support the policies that are killing them.

Has it taken you long to develop the ability to lie that easily?

 

[ding]

I agree. I'm all for fossil fuels, and clean energy. Each has a place.

I agree. The problem arises when we try to fit square pegs into round holes especially for the wrong reasons and message it poorly.

 

[westwall]

Actually, the climate kills more people than climate policy.

The point is NO ONE should die from climate policy.

People are always going to die from WEATHER events.

 

[luiza]

addressing climate change could be a huge source of economic growth, far beyond windmills and solar panels.

First , conclusively show that there is minimally significant climate change caused by our species , as distinct from the sun and galaxy centre .

I have never seen any .
But, to the contrary, I have seen much that points to the complete opposite .

 

[Crick]

First , conclusively show that there is minimally significant climate change caused by our species , as distinct from the sun and galaxy centre .

I have never seen any .
But, to the contrary, I have seen much that points to the complete opposite .

Go here and download this document. Read it when you can.

AR6 Climate Change 2021: The Physical Science Basis — IPCC

www.ipcc.ch

 

[Stryder50]

Of course, those green jobs require a good education, although some unskilled labor is always needed for most enterprises.

https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/finding-a-job/what-are-green-jobs

Some do, many don't.
Manufacture of solar panels and windmill components are basic factory~blue collar jobs. Same with installation of such. Four year plus college degrees not needed. Basic trade school is in most cases.

 

[westwall]

Go here and download this document. Read it when you can.

AR6 Climate Change 2021: The Physical Science Basis — IPCC

www.ipcc.ch

So, every single "study" they reference is based on a computer model.

 

[Crick]

So, every single "study" they reference is based on a computer model.

That, as you well know, is a blatant lie.

 

[ding]

Go here and download this document. Read it when you can.

AR6 Climate Change 2021: The Physical Science Basis — IPCC

www.ipcc.ch

It's propaganda. It's not science. It's Animal Farm all over again and you are one of the sheep.

 

[westwall]

That, as you well know, is a blatant lie.

No, it isn't, in fact there is a whole section on how to make the models better.

 

[ding]

No, it isn't, in fact there is a whole section on how to make the models better.

They should start by honoring empirical climate data.

 

[westwall]

They should start by honoring empirical climate data.

They can't. The empirical data refutes their claims, so they run the raw data through models to get their desired results.

 

[Crick]

They can't. The empirical data refutes their claims, so they run the raw data through models to get their desired results.

Like these empirical data?

and these

and these