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Worried?Then what are you worried about? The grand jury won't even be called if you are correct about the lack of evidence.
That's why the OP that started this whole thread makes no sense.
Then what are you worried about? The grand jury won't even be called if you are correct about the lack of evidence.
That's why the OP that started this whole thread makes no sense.
thehill.com
Yes, those rules will insure that there is no retribution.Worried?
Stop projecting.
and the calling of a Grand Jury by itself is not evidence of anything.
Rule 6. The Grand Jury
www.law.cornell.edu
There are rules (which we all know MAGA is often allergic to).
Trump used government to go after opponents out of spite and retribution.Yes, those rules will insure that there is no retribution.
If you're not worried, then you don't think Trump is a threat to democracy?
Or do you think he's a threat for reasons other than the OP's?
Ok, so the Clinton foundation was investigated and not enough evidence was found to warrant even calling a Grand Jury.Trump Administration:
Justice Dept. Investigated Clinton Foundation Until Trump’s Final Days
President Donald J. Trump and his allies tried to cast the Clinton Foundation as corrupt. But the yearslong investigation sputtered to its conclusion without charges.
Trump Justice Department kept Clinton Foundation case open until last days of presidency: report
The Trump administration’s Department of Justice (DOJ) kept an investigation into the Clinton Foundation open until the last days of his presidency, The New York Times reported Monday. The T…
Justice Dept. Investigated Clinton Foundation Until Trump’s Final Days (Published 2023)
President Donald J. Trump and his allies tried to cast the Clinton Foundation as corrupt. But the yearslong investigation sputtered to its conclusion without charges.www.nytimes.com
Why have you abandoned your own thread, and are allowing Crusty Sock to take up your case?We spend so much time talking past each other I thought it might be useful to be more exacting in reference to what is meant by that phrase. It is most frequently used in the context of what another trump presidency may bring. Based in part on certain remarks he's made about retribution against his perceived enemies. And on the disavowed document, Project 2025, laying out a blueprint for what another term portends.
The thing is, we don't have to speculate about whether a threat will materialize..........it already has. I should say at this point I'm reluctant to illustrate what I mean because I know what kind of reaction it will elicit. But the point of the post is to be specific, not vague, so here goes.
On 4 January, the conservative lawyer John Eastman was summoned to the Oval Office to meet Donald Trump and Vice-President Mike Pence. Within 48 hours, Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 presidential election would formally be certified by Congress, sealing Trump’s fate and removing him from the White House.
Tucker Carlson condemned over ‘false flag’ claim about deadly Capitol attack
The atmosphere in the room was tense. The then US president was “fired up” to make what amounted to a last-ditch effort to overturn the election results and snatch a second term in office in the most powerful job on Earth.
Eastman, who had a decades-long reputation as a prominent conservative law professor, had already prepared a two-page memo in which he had outlined an incendiary scenario under which Pence, presiding over the joint session of Congress that was to be convened on 6 January, effectively overrides the votes of millions of Americans in seven states that Biden had won, then “gavels President Trump as re-elected”.
The Eastman memo, first revealed by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa in their book Peril, goes on to predict “howls” of protest from Democrats. The theory was that Pence, acting as the “ultimate arbiter” of the process, would then send the matter to the House of Representatives which, following an arcane rule that says that where no candidate has reached the necessary majority each state will have one vote, also decides to turn the world upside down and hand the election to the losing candidate, Donald Trump.
‘A roadmap for a coup’: inside Trump’s plot to steal the presidency
A startling memo, a surreal Oval Office encounter – just some of the twists in the unfolding story of Trump’s bid to cling to power, which critics say was no less than an attempted coupwww.theguardian.com
Here's a link to the Eastman memo. https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2021/images/09/20/eastman.memo.pdf
I'm hoping not to get bogged down by folks who will not accept this meeting actually did take place. If you can't accept that it did this would be a good jumping off point for you.
Moving on, we come to the matter of Jeffrey Clark. You may or may not recall trump wanted to name him acting AG in order to use the influence of the DoJ to pursue baseless claims of massive voter fraud, specifically in GA. When some of the top DoJ officials heard of trump's desire they threatened to quit en masse if he promoted Clark.
Read the Unsent Letter by Jeffrey Clark to Georgia Officials
Jeffrey Clark, a former Justice Department official who worked closely with President Donald J. Trump and his allies to undo the election, wanted to send a letter to state officials in Georgia that falsely claimed that the Justice Department had “identified significant concerns” that would affect the state’s election results.
Read the Unsent Letter by Jeffrey Clark to Georgia Officials (Published 2022)
Jeffrey Clark, a former Justice Department official who worked closely with President Donald J. Trump and his allies to undo the election, wanted to send a letter to state officials in Georgia that falsely claimed that the Justice Department had “identified significant concerns” that would...
Former DOJ officials detail threatening to resign en masse in meeting with Trump
Finally, we come to trump's participation in the fake elector scheme.
Comprehensive Timeline on False Electors Scheme in 2020 Presidential Election
Comprehensive Timeline on False Electors Scheme in 2020 Presidential Election
The most comprehensive factual record of former President Donald Trump and his close associates coordination of the false electors scheme.www.justsecurity.org
Overwhelming documentary and testimonial evidence proves beyond any doubt these things I've outlined happened. All of which with one goal in mind. To create a scenario leading to trump remaining in power.
I do not pretend to speak for anyone but myself when I say this is what is meant when I contend trump is a threat to democracy. He has already threatened it. There is every reason to believe he will threaten it again. Especially after the recent rulings of his SCOTUS.
Ultimately, I'm asking trump supporters to examine the record I've laid out. The demonstrable evidence shows trump and his cohorts tried to change the outcome of a presidential election. I can think of few greater threats to democracy than that. They say past is prologue, hence my (our) concern.
Citizens can’t create indictmentsAccording to Aileen's audacious ruling.........which is being appealed.
Nope. It IS democracy. One man, one vote.Trump attempted to persuade Mike Pence to discard the electoral votes of 6 states. Let's assume you're right and that's all perfectly legal.
Isn't that still a threat to democracy?
For Trump's full term. Even before Trump was saying he would lock up Clinton. Shows he tried very hard.Ok, so the Clinton foundation was investigated and not enough evidence was found to warrant even calling a Grand Jury.
How is that a threat to democracy?
What good are our votes if someone like Trump comes along and says that the electors chosen by the voters don't count.Nope. It IS democracy. One man, one vote.
That isn't what he said. He knew there was improprieties and wanted it investigated. One man one vote, that IS democracy.What good are our votes if someone like Trump comes along and says that the electors chosen by the voters don't count.
But it is what he was doing. The Eastman Memo, something that Trump embraced, asked Pence to throw out the electoral votes of 6 states that voted for Biden. It wasn't about an investigation, it was about changing the results.That isn't what he said. He knew there was improprieties and wanted it investigated. One man one vote, that IS democracy.
The Biden administration did not try very hard to lock up Trump?For Trump's full term. Even before Trump was saying he would lock up Clinton. Shows he tried very hard.
I have no idea what issue you are speaking about.
The Biden administration is not after Trump. Trump is in trouble over his own actions before and after he entered politics after attacking Obama. Trump the birther and the 2020 loser.The Biden administration did not try very hard to lock up Trump?
Are you saying that anyone that Trump doesn't like is then above the law?
Nothing happened to the Clintons or to their foundation. Except for losing nearly all their donors after Hillary lost.
LE killed this whacko tooYou are becoming a joke.
Law enforcement killed someone who shot President Trump.
Killing people is against the law.
What charges do you want to see brought against this killer of this young person?
The Trump administration will not be after Joe Biden. But, if he is suspected of violating federal law, the DOJ will investigate. If they have sufficient evidence, they will put it before a grand jury.The Biden administration is not after Trump. Trump is in trouble over his own actions before and after he entered politics after attacking Obama. Trump the birther and the 2020 loser.
Yes, many people do not like Trump.
Trump is a threat to our democratic institutions. He is a threat to the republic. see: Jan 6The Trump administration will not be after Joe Biden. But, if he is suspected of violating federal law, the DOJ will investigate. If they have sufficient evidence, they will put it before a grand jury.
Should the Biden family be above the law?
Yes, many people do not like Trump.
But the DOJ only investigates when there is evidence of crimes.
If there is none for the Biden family, they have nothing to worry about.
Still not seeing how any of that is a "threat to democracy." Can you explain it, or not?
Trump is a threat to our democratic institutions. He is a threat to the republic. see: Jan 6
