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Just to point out that some people are misinformed..
Waiting times for Cancer.. .
BBC News - NHS cancer diagnosis waiting times down, figures show
Oh, wait, they got it down to three months...
British were negotiating to give the Falklands back..
Falkland Islands sovereignty dispute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So, gosh, you mean they were willing to sell out the sheepherders? Really.
Incidently, the notion that Argentina never owned the Malvinas is also disputable. The United Provinces held soverignty over the Islands in 1829 until the British took them in 1833.
No, it means they gave the islanders the democratic right to determine their own future. The islanders voted to remain under Britain. Or do you not understand what 'self-determination' means? Twit.
It means exactly what I said it means. There was a scenario where they were negotiating in good faith to turn the Islands over... largely over international pressure. (Kind of tough, half the UN being former British colonies who don't like them all that much).
Now, politically that became impossible, leading to a war that was really up their in the annals of human stupidity... but hey, as long as the rich can order the poor to go off and die and the poor keep putting up with it, that's what you are going to get.
From what I've seen from the welcome received by the British Royal Family this year as they have visited the Commonwealth countries... that claim that their former colonies are not fond of the British is just a tad ridiculous.
Creating your own version of reality is a habit for you, Joey.... but it never works well for you.
An Overview of British History, Society and Fiscal Affairs by JoeAmpad
- It takes six months to get treated for cancer in the UK
- The British government "gave" Hong Kong to the Chinese, a communist regime which harvests the organs of its citizens for sale
- The UK was negotiating to give away the Falklands to Argentina
- Britain is broke. That's why there were riots.
- The British don't like the NIH.
Still stalking me, Homo?
Just pointing out your many errors.
And is "Homo" supposed to be an insult? That's so 20th century. A bigot AND a homophobe, are we?
From what I've seen from the welcome received by the British Royal Family this year as they have visited the Commonwealth countries... that claim that their former colonies are not fond of the British is just a tad ridiculous.
Creating your own version of reality is a habit for you, Joey.... but it never works well for you.
Well, they aren't getting their car attacked, I guess that's something...
But you think there isn't a lot of them who are holding grudges... you're delusional.
Just to point out that some people are misinformed..
Waiting times for Cancer.. .
BBC News - NHS cancer diagnosis waiting times down, figures show
Oh, wait, they got it down to three months...
Frankly, if I were someone waiting six months for cancer treatment,
British were negotiating to give the Falklands back..
Falkland Islands sovereignty dispute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Whilst maintaining the British claim for sovereignty, the British Government considered transfer of sovereignty worthy of improved relations with Argentina...This led to the British Government maintaining a position that the right to self-determination of the Islanders was paramount. In return, Argentina did not recognise the rights of the Islanders and so negotiations on the sovereignty issue effectively remained at a stalemate
So, gosh, you mean they were willing to sell out the sheepherders? Really.
Incidently, the notion that Argentina never owned the Malvinas is also disputable. The United Provinces held soverignty over the Islands in 1829 until the British took them in 1833.
Although the sovereignty discussions had some success in establishing economic and transport links between the Falklands and Argentina, there was no progress on the question of sovereignty of the Islands.
Whilst maintaining the British claim for sovereignty, the British Government considered transfer of sovereignty worthy of improved relations with Argentina. However, the British Government had limited room for manoeuvre owing to the strength of the Falkland Islands lobby in the Houses of Parliament. Any measure that the Foreign Office suggested on the sovereignty issue was loudly condemned by the Islanders, who re-iterated their determination to remain British. This led to the British Government maintaining a position that the right to self-determination of the Islanders was paramount. In return, Argentina did not recognise the rights of the Islanders and so negotiations on the sovereignty issue effectively remained at a stalemate.
Still stalking me, Homo?
Just pointing out your many errors.
And is "Homo" supposed to be an insult? That's so 20th century. A bigot AND a homophobe, are we?
No, man, I just wonder about this weird obsession you have with me... it's kind of like stalking, and it's weird, really.
From what I've seen from the welcome received by the British Royal Family this year as they have visited the Commonwealth countries... that claim that their former colonies are not fond of the British is just a tad ridiculous.
Creating your own version of reality is a habit for you, Joey.... but it never works well for you.
Well, they aren't getting their car attacked, I guess that's something...
But you think there isn't a lot of them who are holding grudges... you're delusional.
Wishful thinking is not fact.
Point out bigotry, hypocrisy and factual errors isn't a weird obsession. You know what is a weird obsession? Making lists of Mormons so you can discriminate against them and never have to do business with them because they're Mormons.
Just to point out that some people are misinformed..
Waiting times for Cancer.. .
BBC News - NHS cancer diagnosis waiting times down, figures show
Oh, wait, they got it down to three months...
British were negotiating to give the Falklands back..
Falkland Islands sovereignty dispute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Whilst maintaining the British claim for sovereignty, the British Government considered transfer of sovereignty worthy of improved relations with Argentina...This led to the British Government maintaining a position that the right to self-determination of the Islanders was paramount. In return, Argentina did not recognise the rights of the Islanders and so negotiations on the sovereignty issue effectively remained at a stalemate
So, gosh, you mean they were willing to sell out the sheepherders? Really.
Incidently, the notion that Argentina never owned the Malvinas is also disputable. The United Provinces held soverignty over the Islands in 1829 until the British took them in 1833.
Just to point out that some people are misinformed..
Waiting times for Cancer.. .
BBC News - NHS cancer diagnosis waiting times down, figures show
Oh, wait, they got it down to three months...
You said "treatment," not diagnosis.
Frankly, if I were someone waiting six months for cancer treatment,
Fail.
British were negotiating to give the Falklands back..
Falkland Islands sovereignty dispute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So, gosh, you mean they were willing to sell out the sheepherders? Really.
Incidently, the notion that Argentina never owned the Malvinas is also disputable. The United Provinces held soverignty over the Islands in 1829 until the British took them in 1833.
The British were not negotiating to hand over the Falklands to Argentina. It has been the policy of the British government for decades to allow self-determination for its colonies. If the Falklanders wanted to remain in Britain, then they would be allowed to do so, but if they wanted to leave, then they would leave. But they weren't negotiating the transfer of the Falklands to Argentina.
Perhaps you should have quoted the entire passage, since you left out the relevant parts.
Although the sovereignty discussions had some success in establishing economic and transport links between the Falklands and Argentina, there was no progress on the question of sovereignty of the Islands.
Whilst maintaining the British claim for sovereignty, the British Government considered transfer of sovereignty worthy of improved relations with Argentina. However, the British Government had limited room for manoeuvre owing to the strength of the Falkland Islands lobby in the Houses of Parliament. Any measure that the Foreign Office suggested on the sovereignty issue was loudly condemned by the Islanders, who re-iterated their determination to remain British. This led to the British Government maintaining a position that the right to self-determination of the Islanders was paramount. In return, Argentina did not recognise the rights of the Islanders and so negotiations on the sovereignty issue effectively remained at a stalemate.
Falkland Islands sovereignty dispute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It's good to know that you think we should sell out Americans to incompetent, undemocratic tyrants because that's what you are saying the British should do.
It's good to know that you think we should sell out Americans to incompetent, undemocratic tyrants because that's what you are saying the British should do.
Thanks for filling in those blanks, Toro. Amazing what lengths of deviousness some will employ in an attempt to prop up their agenda.
Message for JoeB. Nice to know what a devious snake you are!
Just to point out that some people are misinformed..
Waiting times for Cancer.. .
BBC News - NHS cancer diagnosis waiting times down, figures show
Oh, wait, they got it down to three months...
You said "treatment," not diagnosis.
Frankly, if I were someone waiting six months for cancer treatment,
Fail.
The British were not negotiating to hand over the Falklands to Argentina. It has been the policy of the British government for decades to allow self-determination for its colonies. If the Falklanders wanted to remain in Britain, then they would be allowed to do so, but if they wanted to leave, then they would leave. But they weren't negotiating the transfer of the Falklands to Argentina.
Perhaps you should have quoted the entire passage, since you left out the relevant parts.
It's good to know that you think we should sell out Americans to incompetent, undemocratic tyrants because that's what you are saying the British should do.
It's good to know that you think we should sell out Americans to incompetent, undemocratic tyrants because that's what you are saying the British should do.
Thanks for filling in those blanks, Toro. Amazing what lengths of deviousness some will employ in an attempt to prop up their agenda.
Message for JoeB. Nice to know what a devious snake you are!
Not at all- cherry picking certain lines doesn't take away from the fact the British were willing to sell the sheepherders out for hte right price.
But it was an ass-poundingly stupid thing to fight a war over...
Just to point out that some people are misinformed..
Waiting times for Cancer.. .
BBC News - NHS cancer diagnosis waiting times down, figures show
Oh, wait, they got it down to three months...
You said "treatment," not diagnosis.
Frankly, if I were someone waiting six months for cancer treatment,
Fail.
The British were not negotiating to hand over the Falklands to Argentina. It has been the policy of the British government for decades to allow self-determination for its colonies. If the Falklanders wanted to remain in Britain, then they would be allowed to do so, but if they wanted to leave, then they would leave. But they weren't negotiating the transfer of the Falklands to Argentina.
Perhaps you should have quoted the entire passage, since you left out the relevant parts.
It's good to know that you think we should sell out Americans to incompetent, undemocratic tyrants because that's what you are saying the British should do.
The parts I left out aren't "relevent" at all. Point was. There were negotiations to transfer soverignty.. That they became politically impossible doesn't mean that there weren't negotiations.
And, uh, yeah, the point is that the distance between diagnosis and treatment was long, I wasn't even counting in the time between "Hey, I think I might have a problem" and getting in.
So what you are saying is you now support the President's plan, since you think socialized medicine is wonderful and all? I mean, it's hard to keep up here, guy...
I thought you were done with this thread. Think what you will. However, the fact remains that there was never any consideration for a sell out. It has always been about self-determination for the Falklanders. It matters not that you can't accept it, but they're the facts. And it was never, nor would it be about 'the right price'. Oh and the way you edited the section from Wiki was a clear attempt to distort.
By the way. Your stylus is stuck in the groove.
You said "treatment," not diagnosis.
Fail.
The British were not negotiating to hand over the Falklands to Argentina. It has been the policy of the British government for decades to allow self-determination for its colonies. If the Falklanders wanted to remain in Britain, then they would be allowed to do so, but if they wanted to leave, then they would leave. But they weren't negotiating the transfer of the Falklands to Argentina.
Perhaps you should have quoted the entire passage, since you left out the relevant parts.
It's good to know that you think we should sell out Americans to incompetent, undemocratic tyrants because that's what you are saying the British should do.
The parts I left out aren't "relevent" at all. Point was. There were negotiations to transfer soverignty.. That they became politically impossible doesn't mean that there weren't negotiations.
And, uh, yeah, the point is that the distance between diagnosis and treatment was long, I wasn't even counting in the time between "Hey, I think I might have a problem" and getting in.
So what you are saying is you now support the President's plan, since you think socialized medicine is wonderful and all? I mean, it's hard to keep up here, guy...
Kindly do not put words into my mouth! I have no interest in your president or his politics...unless they happen to affect my country. Thanks for exposing yet another of your devious attempts to master a thread. When are you going to at least attempt to rise to your own level of substandard?
I thought you were done with this thread. Think what you will. However, the fact remains that there was never any consideration for a sell out. It has always been about self-determination for the Falklanders. It matters not that you can't accept it, but they're the facts. And it was never, nor would it be about 'the right price'. Oh and the way you edited the section from Wiki was a clear attempt to distort.
By the way. Your stylus is stuck in the groove.
Point was, you guys claimed there were no negotiations.
I pointed out that there were...
Going into why the British Government let a few thousand sheepherders dictate policy (probably actually BP, but you no doubt want the illusion of democracy) wasn't relevent.
But as long as the rich can get the poor to fight wars for them, you will have this situation..
Wasn't always like this. Once upon a time, the Rich actually used to fight their own wars, in both our countries. You were rich, you formed regiments and armed them, and you were expected to go out and fight with the boys.
Interesting fact my British Colleague told me at that conference. That 80% of the Elite SAS troops come from the poor slums of Edinburgh...
Hmmmmmm....
No. The UK was NOT negotiating to turn them over to Argentina! Both parties were responding to a UN resolution to conduct negotiations to find a peaceful solution to the issue of sovereignty. No common ground was ever found even after seventeen years of on/off talks and to this day, the UK position is that the Islands remain British for as long as the islanders consider themselves British.
As a result of a UN resolution, Britain and Argentina were asked attempt to find a peaceful solution to the question of sovereignty. They spent seventeen years arguing the toss and neither side could find common ground. There was never a time when Britain could be regarded as 'happy to give the islands away'. That is a fabrication from the distorted mind of a know nothing fool.
I thought you were done with this thread. Think what you will. However, the fact remains that there was never any consideration for a sell out. It has always been about self-determination for the Falklanders. It matters not that you can't accept it, but they're the facts. And it was never, nor would it be about 'the right price'. Oh and the way you edited the section from Wiki was a clear attempt to distort.
By the way. Your stylus is stuck in the groove.
Point was, you guys claimed there were no negotiations.
I pointed out that there were...
Going into why the British Government let a few thousand sheepherders dictate policy (probably actually BP, but you no doubt want the illusion of democracy) wasn't relevent.
But as long as the rich can get the poor to fight wars for them, you will have this situation..
Wasn't always like this. Once upon a time, the Rich actually used to fight their own wars, in both our countries. You were rich, you formed regiments and armed them, and you were expected to go out and fight with the boys.
Interesting fact my British Colleague told me at that conference. That 80% of the Elite SAS troops come from the poor slums of Edinburgh...
Hmmmmmm....
Really? Where did I say that? I suggest you refer to my posts number 120 and 126 where I stated the following!
No. The UK was NOT negotiating to turn them over to Argentina! Both parties were responding to a UN resolution to conduct negotiations to find a peaceful solution to the issue of sovereignty. No common ground was ever found even after seventeen years of on/off talks and to this day, the UK position is that the Islands remain British for as long as the islanders consider themselves British.
As a result of a UN resolution, Britain and Argentina were asked attempt to find a peaceful solution to the question of sovereignty. They spent seventeen years arguing the toss and neither side could find common ground. There was never a time when Britain could be regarded as 'happy to give the islands away'. That is a fabrication from the distorted mind of a know nothing fool.
As for your statement about the SAS, your friend is wrong. Most of those who pass the SAS selection course are from the Parachute Regiment. As an ex Para I can assure you that whilst there are Scots in the regiment, they certainly don't constitute anywhere near 80% of the intake.
Why on earth do you insist on digging yourself deeper?
Colin - You know, guy, you can go along with all the legal niceties, but the fact remains, there were diplomats in a room ready to sell the sheepherders out.
