Secularists...Hoist By Their Own Petard

[2aguy]

there was no genocide of Indians...no resistance to foreign diseases is not genocide...

Yeah, so when they handed out smallpox blankets to the Indians, that was a conincidence, right?

Hey, how about when they slaughtered the bison to deprive them of a food source. That's kind of Genocidal, isn't it?

The Europeans and Africans brought the slaves to America...we ended the practice...a practice that was already here before the Europeans came and was practiced all around the world...till we ended it here...and it is still going on in Africa.....

We did nothing of the sort. The BRITISH ended the slave trade. they were the ones who actually had the navy to do it.

Look joe......the current sex doll

What's your sudden infatuation with sex dolls, Dick Tiny? You seem to be awefully obsessed with the subject.

Yes...innocent men, women and children were murdered because they did not believe in collectivism.....and had they been able to resist with guns history might have been changed....

They had guns. They had REALLY FUCKING NASTY CIVIL WARS. And then one side one and killed the side that lost.

Read about the Chinese Civil Wars. Lasted for something like 30 years between the abdication of the last Q'ing emperor and Mao's final victory. tens of millions killed, and that's not even counting what the Japanese did.

The small pox hoax is as valid as the man made global warming hoax...never happened........it is a lie perpetrated by the left wing regressives in their war against the founding......

The indians good a great job killiing off the buffalo too.......twit......again...keep reaching back....over 100 years ago....secularists murdered 100 million people in the last 70 years....in modern nation states.....with modern science and philosophy and modern institutions of learning..........

 

[JoeB131]

Your political forebears, the Soviet Communists starved seven million to death.

Your turn.

Uh, not really. We could also blame weather conditions, World War I having killed millions of the guys who would have otherwise been growing food, and Western sanctions and proxy wars against the USSR .

Did attempts at collectivism hurt? Probably. But no more or less than everything else that went on.

 

[2aguy]

Your political forebears, the Soviet Communists starved seven million to death.

Your turn.

Uh, not really. We could also blame weather conditions, World War I having killed millions of the guys who would have otherwise been growing food, and Western sanctions and proxy wars against the USSR .

Did attempts at collectivism hurt? Probably. But no more or less than everything else that went on.

joe....you are the one who starts every post talking about dicks......you have a problem...get help....

 

[PoliticalChic]

Tax exemption for churches came from Ezra 7:24, which no other nation has today.

Why should Churches be tax exempt? They are a business just like any other business.

Now, if could apply the consumer fraud laws to them, that would be truly awesome.

Because a tax is an infringement on the free practice of religion...twit. You can tax churches out of existence...

It behooves us to remind all that Democrat Liberal LBJ had the IRS regs changed so that churches could not speak directly about political candidates.....

...even though the first amendment states that they have every right to do so.

Amendment I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


The fascists....the Liberals/Progressives have been on the march for a century.
Note how many are in this very thread.

 

[2aguy]

More left wing regressive lies about the buffalo and the indians...you guys will say anything to attack America...

Wild West Mystery - Who Killed the Buffalo? - Guerrilla Explorer

Native Americans, contrary to popular opinion, were not quite the “noble savages” they are often portrayed to be in modern culture. They hunted buffalo in large numbers, even going so far as to herd them into makeshift chutes and stampede them over cliffs (this took place at the well-named Head-Smashed-In Buffalo Jump in Alberta, Canada along with many others). The Comanche alone killed more than 280,000 buffalo a year.

“They were killing more than 280,000 bison a year – the maximum loss the herds could sustain without imploding – and at the very time the great drought of 1845-50 was exacerbating the situation.” ~ Frank McLynn, Review of The Comanche Empire by Pekka Hämäläinen

 

[PoliticalChic]

Your political forebears, the Soviet Communists starved seven million to death.

Your turn.

Uh, not really. We could also blame weather conditions, World War I having killed millions of the guys who would have otherwise been growing food, and Western sanctions and proxy wars against the USSR .

Did attempts at collectivism hurt? Probably. But no more or less than everything else that went on.

So....out of shame, and in a failed attempt to shield your political forebears....the Soviet Communists....you're actually denying that they starved to death seven million men, women and children to enforce collectivization.


Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.


September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933,all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated.
Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained,starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.


'Lazar Kaganovich (together withVyacheslav Molotov) participated with the All-Ukrainian Party Conference of 1930 and were given the task of implementation of thecollectivization policy that caused a catastrophic 1932–33 famine known as theHolodomor.He also personally oversaw grain confiscations during the same time periods.

'Similar policies also inflicted enormous suffering on the Soviet Central Asian republic ofKazakhstan, theKubanregion,Crimea, the lowerVolgaregion, and other parts of the Soviet Union. As an emissary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, Kaganovich traveled to Ukraine, the central regions of the USSR, the NorthernCaucasus, andSiberiademanding the acceleration of collectivization and repressions against theKulaks, who were generally blamed for the slow progress of collectivization.'
Lazar Kaganovich - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia



"They were thrown into a hole in the ground...the ground was moving..." Many were buried alive.



So.....yeah....really, you dunce.

 

[JoeB131]

The small pox hoax is as valid as the man made global warming hoax...never happened........it is a lie perpetrated by the left wing regressives in their war against the founding......

The indians good a great job killiing off the buffalo too.......twit......again...keep reaching back....over 100 years ago....secularists murdered 100 million people in the last 70 years....in modern nation states.....with modern science and philosophy and modern institutions of learning..........

Hey, dude, check out this picture.

It's a photograph of a pile of bison skulls, when the government authorized their mass slaughter to deprive the plains Indians of a food source.

But, heck, let's not even talk about the Native Americans.

Let's talk about how we slaughtered half a million Filipinos between 1899 and 1910, trying to get them to be cool with being our colony and all.

Or how we carpet bombed and defoliated and mined Vietnam at the cost of 3,000,000 lives because they didn't want to be capitalists.

Or how we killed 1,000,000 Iraqis because we couldn't admit George W. Bush was a liar.

No, no, but it's those secularists who are the bad people. We are right with Jesus- said every fanatic, ever.

 

[Synthaholic]

Don't ya' just love it when the villains get what they deserve, a dose of their own medicine?
I sure do.


1. Can you imagine....secularists squealing like stuck pigs when their own methods are used against them!
'...a consummation devoutly to be wished....'


First.....those methods....then that example.



2. Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real. Therefore, emotions, such as love, are no more than chemistry. And it suggests that it is only genes and environment that determine our actions, and free will plays no role. And, of course, God and religious beliefs are nonsense.

That's why the hatred comes out whenever they see folks who are religious.




3. The change in America, from a spiritual to a materialist entity, is largely due to the efforts of the 32nd President. He promised all sorts of material rewards, if America would only give up the individualism, and freedoms that the Founders embodied in the Constitution.
He promised rewards such as

· Employment(right to work)

· Food, clothing and leisure, viaenough income to support them

· Farmers' rights to a fair income

· Freedom fromunfair competitionandmonopolies

· Housing

· Medical care

· Social security
FDR’s Second Bill of Rights
Kind of a 'worker's paradise,' huh?
I wonder where he got that idea.



4. And for these material benefits, all Americans had to do was give up our birthright...Individuals who have had the benefit of an education recognize this.

"The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’"
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism."


5. While America was founded on this view:

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
John Adams

...it has become inculcated with this one:

" Secularism is the principle of the separation of government institutions and persons mandated to represent the state from religious institutions and religious dignitaries. One manifestation of secularism is asserting the right to be free from religious rule and teachings, or, in a state declared to be neutral on matters of belief, from the imposition by government of religion or religious practices upon its people. Another manifestation of secularism is the view that public activities and decisions, especially political ones, should be uninfluenced by religious beliefs and/or practices."
Secularism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


....the very antithesis of 'a moral and religious people.'
The Founders wouldn't be welcome in a secular nation, would they.

Oh, good - another FAIL thread from PC. Can never have too many of those!

 

[Contumacious]

Don't ya' just love it when the villains get what they deserve, a dose of their own medicine?
I sure do.


1. Can you imagine....secularists squealing like stuck pigs when their own methods are used against them!
'...a consummation devoutly to be wished....'


First.....those methods....then that example.



2. Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real. Therefore, emotions, such as love, are no more than chemistry. And it suggests that it is only genes and environment that determine our actions, and free will plays no role. And, of course, God and religious beliefs are nonsense.

That's why the hatred comes out whenever they see folks who are religious.




3. The change in America, from a spiritual to a materialist entity, is largely due to the efforts of the 32nd President. He promised all sorts of material rewards, if America would only give up the individualism, and freedoms that the Founders embodied in the Constitution.
He promised rewards such as

· Employment(right to work)

· Food, clothing and leisure, viaenough income to support them

· Farmers' rights to a fair income

· Freedom fromunfair competitionandmonopolies

· Housing

· Medical care

· Social security
FDR’s Second Bill of Rights
Kind of a 'worker's paradise,' huh?
I wonder where he got that idea.



4. And for these material benefits, all Americans had to do was give up our birthright...Individuals who have had the benefit of an education recognize this.

"The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’"
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism."


5. While America was founded on this view:

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
John Adams

...it has become inculcated with this one:

" Secularism is the principle of the separation of government institutions and persons mandated to represent the state from religious institutions and religious dignitaries. One manifestation of secularism is asserting the right to be free from religious rule and teachings, or, in a state declared to be neutral on matters of belief, from the imposition by government of religion or religious practices upon its people. Another manifestation of secularism is the view that public activities and decisions, especially political ones, should be uninfluenced by religious beliefs and/or practices."
Secularism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


....the very antithesis of 'a moral and religious people.'
The Founders wouldn't be welcome in a secular nation, would they.

Incorrect.

There are two major forces in these US trying to acquire absolute power.

The "fascist - conservatives" who want to rule us in the name of a god

and

the fascist liberals/ the socialists who want to rule us in the name of the fatherland, the common good


The ONLY ones who want to restore freedom , the free market and capitalism are the Libertarians.


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[JoeB131]

"They were thrown into a hole in the ground...the ground was moving..." Many were buried alive.



So.....yeah....really, you dunce.

And how was that any different than what we did to the Native Americans and Filipinos, what the British did all over their empire, or what the God-fearing Nazis did all over Europe with the Pope's blessing.

Human beings tend to be pretty shitty to each other. They are shittier when they believe a magic fairy in the sky approves of their actions.

 

[Synthaholic]

"The Founders believed in Freedom, all right. Unless you were poor Sally Hemings getting her 15 year old Cherry popped by Thomas Jefferson because she had the bad luck to be his dead-wife's half sister AND his property."

There is no proof of this lie, yet it is regularly spread by Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, who use attacks on the Founders as a proxy for their hatred of America.

By all accounts, Jefferson’s sexual relationship with Hemings spanned several decades, beginning when Hemings was a teenager and Jefferson was in his 40s. It was not, in any sense of the word, consensual: Hemings was a child, and Jefferson literally owned her; she was not in any position to give or withhold consent. What Jefferson did to Hemings was rape.

Thomas Jefferson spent years raping Sally Hemings. A new novel calls it a love story.

You suck at facts.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Don't ya' just love it when the villains get what they deserve, a dose of their own medicine?
I sure do.


1. Can you imagine....secularists squealing like stuck pigs when their own methods are used against them!
'...a consummation devoutly to be wished....'


First.....those methods....then that example.



2. Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real. Therefore, emotions, such as love, are no more than chemistry. And it suggests that it is only genes and environment that determine our actions, and free will plays no role. And, of course, God and religious beliefs are nonsense.

That's why the hatred comes out whenever they see folks who are religious.




3. The change in America, from a spiritual to a materialist entity, is largely due to the efforts of the 32nd President. He promised all sorts of material rewards, if America would only give up the individualism, and freedoms that the Founders embodied in the Constitution.
He promised rewards such as

· Employment(right to work)

· Food, clothing and leisure, viaenough income to support them

· Farmers' rights to a fair income

· Freedom fromunfair competitionandmonopolies

· Housing

· Medical care

· Social security
FDR’s Second Bill of Rights
Kind of a 'worker's paradise,' huh?
I wonder where he got that idea.



4. And for these material benefits, all Americans had to do was give up our birthright...Individuals who have had the benefit of an education recognize this.

"The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’"
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism."


5. While America was founded on this view:

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
John Adams

...it has become inculcated with this one:

" Secularism is the principle of the separation of government institutions and persons mandated to represent the state from religious institutions and religious dignitaries. One manifestation of secularism is asserting the right to be free from religious rule and teachings, or, in a state declared to be neutral on matters of belief, from the imposition by government of religion or religious practices upon its people. Another manifestation of secularism is the view that public activities and decisions, especially political ones, should be uninfluenced by religious beliefs and/or practices."
Secularism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


....the very antithesis of 'a moral and religious people.'
The Founders wouldn't be welcome in a secular nation, would they.

Oh, good - another FAIL thread from PC. Can never have too many of those!

Wait.....aren't you the moron who wrote this:

....."All You Have To Know About Obama: "Best president in over 50 years

• Prevented Iran from amassing nuclear weapons
• Restored respect for America globally"

You wrote that, didn't you.


1. And we find that Obama has made certain that Iran gets a nuclear bomb...

and...


2. Let's gauge that "respect"...


Obama normalizes relatioins with another bastion of repression....Cuba....and let's see what great 'respect' Cuba showed:

"Normalizing U.S. Relations With Cuba Leads to Escalation in Repression of Cuban Dissidents"NORMALIZING U.S. RELATIONS WITH CUBA LEADS TO ESCALATION IN REPRESSION OF CUBAN DISSIDENTS, Sweet Land of Liberty



Wait...,.some dunce said"Best president in over 50 years....Restored respect for America globally"

Oh...wait....that dunce is you!!!!!!

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Benjamin Franklin would feel right at home at the Playboy mansion.

Did he say that ?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

"The Founders believed in Freedom, all right. Unless you were poor Sally Hemings getting her 15 year old Cherry popped by Thomas Jefferson because she had the bad luck to be his dead-wife's half sister AND his property."

There is no proof of this lie, yet it is regularly spread by Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, who use attacks on the Founders as a proxy for their hatred of America.

By all accounts, Jefferson’s sexual relationship with Hemings spanned several decades, beginning when Hemings was a teenager and Jefferson was in his 40s. It was not, in any sense of the word, consensual: Hemings was a child, and Jefferson literally owned her; she was not in any position to give or withhold consent. What Jefferson did to Hemings was rape.

Thomas Jefferson spent years raping Sally Hemings. A new novel calls it a love story.

You suck at facts.

Just like global warming.....the big lie is settled.......

By those who don't suck at facts....because they don't seem to care about facts.

 

[JoeB131]

More left wing regressive lies about the buffalo and the indians...you guys will say anything to attack America...

Oh, Dick Tiny, you need to get over your scared white privilege.

General William Tecumseh Sherman, who had broken the back of the South during the Civil War with his ruthless March to the Sea, helped negotiate the Fort Laramie and 1867 Medicine Lodge treaties that were supposed to end U.S. hostilities with northern and southern tribes. But that’s when officers started thinking about a new strategy. Sherman knew that during the Civil War the Confederates’ means and will to fight were extinguished by his brutal—and brutally effective—”scorched earth” policy that decimated the infrastructure of the South. Why couldn’t the same strategy be applied to Indians and their buffalo? Greymorning said, “The government realized that as long as this food source was there, as long as this key cultural element was there, it would have difficulty getting Indians onto reservations.”

Isenberg said, “Some Army officers in the Great Plains in the late 1860s and 1870s, including William Sherman and Richard Dodge, as well as the Secretary of the Interior in the 1870s, Columbus Delano, foresaw that if the bison were extinct, the Indians in the Great Plains would have to surrender to the reservation system.” Colonel Dodge said in 1867, “Every buffalo dead is an Indian gone,” and Delano wrote in his 1872 annual report, “The rapid disappearance of game from the former hunting-grounds must operate largely in favor of our efforts to confine the Indians to smaller areas, and compel them to abandon their nomadic customs.”

Read more atGenocide by Other Means: U.S. Army Slaughtered Buffalo in Plains Indian Wars

 

[Sun Devil 92]

The Founders were also beer brewers, oh the secular bastardization of their religion..

Religion is the application of theology.

What has been got to do with religion ?

 

[Synthaholic]

David Limbaugh

Rush's little brother.

 

[Contumacious]

"The Founders believed in Freedom, all right. Unless you were poor Sally Hemings getting her 15 year old Cherry popped by Thomas Jefferson because she had the bad luck to be his dead-wife's half sister AND his property."

There is no proof of this lie, yet it is regularly spread by Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, who use attacks on the Founders as a proxy for their hatred of America.

By all accounts, Jefferson’s sexual relationship with Hemings spanned several decades, beginning when Hemings was a teenager and Jefferson was in his 40s. It was not, in any sense of the word, consensual: Hemings was a child, and Jefferson literally owned her; she was not in any position to give or withhold consent. What Jefferson did to Hemings was rape.

Thomas Jefferson spent years raping Sally Hemings. A new novel calls it a love story.

You suck at facts.

What would have happened if Thomas Jefferson had released Ms Hemmings, et al in Virginia, circa 1780?

Show me where Thomas Jefferson was happy about about the institution of slavery?


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[PoliticalChic]

"The Founders believed in Freedom, all right. Unless you were poor Sally Hemings getting her 15 year old Cherry popped by Thomas Jefferson because she had the bad luck to be his dead-wife's half sister AND his property."

There is no proof of this lie, yet it is regularly spread by Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, who use attacks on the Founders as a proxy for their hatred of America.

By all accounts, Jefferson’s sexual relationship with Hemings spanned several decades, beginning when Hemings was a teenager and Jefferson was in his 40s. It was not, in any sense of the word, consensual: Hemings was a child, and Jefferson literally owned her; she was not in any position to give or withhold consent. What Jefferson did to Hemings was rape.

Thomas Jefferson spent years raping Sally Hemings. A new novel calls it a love story.

You suck at facts.

There are no such accounts, except by America haters like you, fool.


Here's a book for you.....if you ever get around to reading any books....

"In Defense of Thomas Jefferson: The Sally Hemings Sex Scandal"William G. Hyland Jr.


Historians have the wrong Jefferson. Hyland, an experienced trial lawyer, presents the most reliable historical evidence while dissecting the unreliable, and in doing so he cuts through centuries of unsubstantiated charges.

The author reminds us that the DNA tests identified Eston Hemings, Sally's youngest child, as being merely the descendant of a "Jefferson male." Randolph Jefferson, the president's wayward, younger brother with a reputation for socializing among the Monticello slaves, emerges as the most likely of several possible candidates.

Meanwhile, the author traces the evolution of this rumor about Thomas Jefferson back to the allegation made by one James Callendar, a "drunken ruffian" who carried a grudge after unsuccessfully lobbying the president for a postmaster appointment---and who then openly bragged of ruining Jefferson's reputation. Hyland also delves into Hemings family oral histories that go against the popular rumor, as well as the ways in which the Jefferson rumors were advanced by less-than-historical dramas and by flawed scholarly research often shaped by political agendas.
From a book review of the above.



"....flawed scholarly research often shaped by political agendas."


You're a lying imbecile, and I love proving it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

David Limbaugh

Rush's little brother.

When they can't refute the facts....lying imbeciles complain about the messenger.

Raise your paw.