See we told you.. Mcdonalds is ordering 7K touch screen to replace cashiers

[rightwinger]

I'm a callous fucker because Hillary Clinton is wrong, and calling me a callous fucker is the only way you can explain it. The government isn't a village.
True callous fuckers demand that I support those that won't support themselves or their families. They put that responsibility and burden upon me, even though I had nothing to do with their situation, their choices, their family.
It's not my responsibility to pay for the birth control of others or for their children if they fail to use birth control.

BTW, you spelled my name incorrectly.

Callous fucker seems accurate

Modern societies care about their people. They gave up your version of Darwinism centuries ago. Yes, our society recognizes that certain assholes among us do not give a shit about anyone else.....but as a society, we have made the decision to help them anyway.
So guess what Alan, you get to help them anyway

But , because you belong to our society, you have options

You can convince others who believe like you to vote in representatives who are just as callous as you

Missing the point or evading it for ideological reasons is one of your favorite pastimes.
First off, no one is claiming that NO ONE get any help.
Those who through no fault of their own, disease, disability( Not drug or alcohol induced)injury, death of primary earner, are very much the people who our resources should be focused.
Other than that, the simple act of birthing children knowing full well one is neither financially or even emotionally prepared should never be the responsibility of Hillary's "Village".....Because in her mind, the "Village" should be mandated to pay up.
That's wrong. Creating a captive transfer payment system for some twisted idea of compassion is not how things should be done. Charity and good works should never be forced or mandated by government. The reason is simple. Once a program is put into place, it never is limited to its intended purpose. It always grows far beyond original limits.
And people who have no work ethic or sense of decency or have been told they are owed, will invariably attempt to game the system....

You are missing the point. We are a modern society. Modern societies take care of people who need taking care of.

You taxes are not charity. You pay taxes as a function of being a member of society. How those taxes are spent is decided by those representatives of the people. If the people don't like how the money is spent, those representatives do not get reelected. Your ideal village kicks out those you do not deem worthy...the US doesn't operate like that

You don't like your money being spent on those you do not consider worthy
Others do not want their money spent on a war machine
Others do not want to spend money educating the children of others

You don't like money spent for social services, then vote for people who don't. I'm sure you already do. But as a citizen, you have to live with the decisions on how our money is spent

 

[Foxfyre]

Callous fucker seems accurate

Modern societies care about their people. They gave up your version of Darwinism centuries ago. Yes, our society recognizes that certain assholes among us do not give a shit about anyone else.....but as a society, we have made the decision to help them anyway.
So guess what Alan, you get to help them anyway

But , because you belong to our society, you have options

You can convince others who believe like you to vote in representatives who are just as callous as you

Missing the point or evading it for ideological reasons is one of your favorite pastimes.
First off, no one is claiming that NO ONE get any help.
Those who through no fault of their own, disease, disability( Not drug or alcohol induced)injury, death of primary earner, are very much the people who our resources should be focused.
Other than that, the simple act of birthing children knowing full well one is neither financially or even emotionally prepared should never be the responsibility of Hillary's "Village".....Because in her mind, the "Village" should be mandated to pay up.
That's wrong. Creating a captive transfer payment system for some twisted idea of compassion is not how things should be done. Charity and good works should never be forced or mandated by government. The reason is simple. Once a program is put into place, it never is limited to its intended purpose. It always grows far beyond original limits.
And people who have no work ethic or sense of decency or have been told they are owed, will invariably attempt to game the system....

You are missing the point. We are a modern society. Modern societies take care of people who need taking care of.

You taxes are not charity. You pay taxes as a function of being a member of society. How those taxes are spent is decided by those representatives of the people. If the people don't like how the money is spent, those representatives do not get reelected. Your ideal village kicks out those you do not deem worthy...the US doesn't operate like that

You don't like your money being spent on those you do not consider worthy
Others do not want their money spent on a war machine
Others do not want to spend money educating the children of others

You don't like money spent for social services, then vote for people who don't. I'm sure you already do. But as a citizen, you have to live with the decisions on how our money is spent

There is a larger picture here. What is more compassionate? Paying people to remain in poverty? Or providing opportunity and incentive to escape it? The rescue missions around here beg people NOT to give cash to the homeless on the streets but instead give it to the mission who will be sure that the cash goes for hot food and blankets and shelter from the cold. And an opportunity to get off the sauce or other addictive substances. Give it to the druggies and drunks and it will invariably go for alcohol and other drugs.

Somewhere we have to realize that making people comfortable in poverty might make us feel noble and virtuous, but the truth is that we may be harming them far more than helping. Helping them get cleaned up, sober, hiring, and training them takes a lot more effort and sometimes more money initially, but it points to a chance at a better life rather than just throwing money at people and salving our consciences.

 

[kaz]

Why do conservatives act as though this is a good thing? That's the mystery...

...okay, it is what it is, automation killing jobs that humans might have needed has been around forever,

it is what it is,

but to cheer it and gloat as if the right wing has won some sort of big victory...jeezus...what is wrong with you people?

Way to go McDonalds!

Don't complain about your taxes then.

The logical fallacy you just committed is called a false dilemma

 

[kaz]

Way to go McDonalds!

Don't complain about your taxes then.

It is the reaction to the government sticking its nose where it don't belong... and the government has no business handing money to the unmotivated, unskilled losers who think a McDonalds cashier job should pay them enough to raise a family..

If modern liberals had been around a hundred years ago we'd still have blacksmith's and they'd be saying how if they lost their jobs, it would harm the economy.

Actually, fighting progress is what's harming the economy. Fear and ignorance are staples of the left.

 

[tap4154]

Don't complain about your taxes then.

It is the reaction to the government sticking its nose where it don't belong... and the government has no business handing money to the unmotivated, unskilled losers who think a McDonalds cashier job should pay them enough to raise a family..

If modern liberals had been around a hundred years ago we'd still have blacksmith's and they'd be saying how if they lost their jobs, it would harm the economy.

Actually, fighting progress is what's harming the economy. Fear and ignorance are staples of the left.

If the modern lib miindset had been the majority before 1776, America would have never existed. It would just be an assortment of poor third world warring nations run by dictators.

 

[kaz]

Don't complain about your taxes then.

It is the reaction to the government sticking its nose where it don't belong... and the government has no business handing money to the unmotivated, unskilled losers who think a McDonalds cashier job should pay them enough to raise a family..

Do you ever get tired of hating people?

You get the poor fired with endless employer mandates and regulations driving up the cost of hiring employees while you drag down the economy with irresponsible spending levels and shriek like a teenage girl with a zit if anyone tries to reduce spending growth by a dime. You get full time people cut back to part time to avoid rising costs because of federal bills like healthcare, prevent people from getting overtime for extra dough by forcing employers to pay time and a half and you deny the lowest skilled workers employment entirely with the minimum wage.

With friends like you...

 

[Indeependent]

It is the reaction to the government sticking its nose where it don't belong... and the government has no business handing money to the unmotivated, unskilled losers who think a McDonalds cashier job should pay them enough to raise a family..

Do you ever get tired of hating people?

You get the poor fired with endless employer mandates and regulations driving up the cost of hiring employees while you drag down the economy with irresponsible spending levels and shriek like a teenage girl with a zit if anyone tries to reduce spending growth by a dime. You get full time people cut back to part time to avoid rising costs because of federal bills like healthcare, prevent people from getting overtime for extra dough by forcing employers to pay time and a half and you deny the lowest skilled workers employment entirely with the minimum wage.

With friends like you...

As though these things weren't happening before O became president.

 

[kaz]

Do you ever get tired of hating people?

You get the poor fired with endless employer mandates and regulations driving up the cost of hiring employees while you drag down the economy with irresponsible spending levels and shriek like a teenage girl with a zit if anyone tries to reduce spending growth by a dime. You get full time people cut back to part time to avoid rising costs because of federal bills like healthcare, prevent people from getting overtime for extra dough by forcing employers to pay time and a half and you deny the lowest skilled workers employment entirely with the minimum wage.

With friends like you...

As though these things weren't happening before O became president.

I am not seeing anywhere in my post that I referred personally to Obama. Certainly he supports these things, but the left has been doing this far longer than he was President. I'm not sure why you said that.

 

[Indeependent]

The context of most postings seem to imply that O has been the beginning of the end.
We are currently immersed in the Clinton/GW/Obama deindustrialization of the US dreamed up during Reagan's administration.
Technology since Clinton has simply put this into hyper-drive.

 

[kaz]

The context of most postings seem to imply that O has been the beginning of the end.
We are currently immersed in the Clinton/GW/Obama deindustrialization of the US dreamed up during Reagan's administration.
Technology since Clinton has simply put this into hyper-drive.

People have actually been lamenting technology eliminating jobs for many decades. Technology also increases productivity and reduces prices for consumers and makes American companies more competitive versus international and that increases jobs. Jobs don't go away, they move. And as people have more money, they buy more services, which creates service jobs.

What is anti-job is fighting job loss and driving up the cost of employees. If companies go offshore for cost, they should not be incented ed to do it to escape Obamacare, payroll taxes, unemployment insurance, overtime rules, the minimum wage and so on. The left lament the job loss while pushing companies off shore. Then they fight growth industries like energy and finance because they are evil.

The US would be fine if the left would stop helping. The Republicans are sad and pathetic, but at least they aren't driving those things.

 

[Indeependent]

The context of most postings seem to imply that O has been the beginning of the end.
We are currently immersed in the Clinton/GW/Obama deindustrialization of the US dreamed up during Reagan's administration.
Technology since Clinton has simply put this into hyper-drive.

People have actually been lamenting technology eliminating jobs for many decades. Technology also increases productivity and reduces prices for consumers and makes American companies more competitive versus international and that increases jobs. Jobs don't go away, they move. And as people have more money, they buy more services, which creates service jobs.

What is anti-job is fighting job loss and driving up the cost of employees. If companies go offshore for cost, they should not be incented ed to do it to escape Obamacare, payroll taxes, unemployment insurance, overtime rules, the minimum wage and so on. The left lament the job loss while pushing companies off shore. Then they fight growth industries like energy and finance because they are evil.

The US would be fine if the left would stop helping. The Republicans are sad and pathetic, but at least they aren't driving those things.

Nice try but the majority of off-shoring and influx of business visas took place during GW, not O.
You should perhaps subscribe to a financial publication to keep tabs of these events.

 

[WillReadmore]

The purpose of a corporation is to maximize shareholder value. THAT'S IT. Shareholders including young families planning for the future and seniors depending on dividend income for their needs. Any corporation is going to do what it thinks is best to accomplish that goal. Some do it better than....

Oh, fuck it.

I'm not going to explain the most fundamental business economics to American adults who simply don't understand.

I can't believe we have people graduating from high school without this most basic knowledge.

Never mind.

.

Actually, corporations were created to protect against liability for damage.

While what you say may be true, the single minded pursuit of wealth doesn't require incorporation.

 

[Foxfyre]

The context of most postings seem to imply that O has been the beginning of the end.
We are currently immersed in the Clinton/GW/Obama deindustrialization of the US dreamed up during Reagan's administration.
Technology since Clinton has simply put this into hyper-drive.

People have actually been lamenting technology eliminating jobs for many decades. Technology also increases productivity and reduces prices for consumers and makes American companies more competitive versus international and that increases jobs. Jobs don't go away, they move. And as people have more money, they buy more services, which creates service jobs.

What is anti-job is fighting job loss and driving up the cost of employees. If companies go offshore for cost, they should not be incented ed to do it to escape Obamacare, payroll taxes, unemployment insurance, overtime rules, the minimum wage and so on. The left lament the job loss while pushing companies off shore. Then they fight growth industries like energy and finance because they are evil.

The US would be fine if the left would stop helping. The Republicans are sad and pathetic, but at least they aren't driving those things.

Exactly. For decades now the U.S. government has been imposing more and more mandates, restrictions, and requirements, all of which add costs to doing business, on U.S. commerce and industry while taxing corporations at one of the highest rates in the world. And at the same time they threaten business with even more regulation, higher taxes, higher minimum wages, and push unionization. As the business climate becomes ever more restrictive and profit unfriendly, of course those wishing to do business are moving their businesses elsewhere to more business-friendly environments.

And I swear we have become a nation of idiots with our fearless leaders wringing their hands and desperately grasping at anything that would force those businesses to stay here while refusing to see that it is their own meddling that has created the situation in the first place. And their own convoluted ideology won't allow them to take any step to reverse it.

 

[kaz]

The context of most postings seem to imply that O has been the beginning of the end.
We are currently immersed in the Clinton/GW/Obama deindustrialization of the US dreamed up during Reagan's administration.
Technology since Clinton has simply put this into hyper-drive.

People have actually been lamenting technology eliminating jobs for many decades. Technology also increases productivity and reduces prices for consumers and makes American companies more competitive versus international and that increases jobs. Jobs don't go away, they move. And as people have more money, they buy more services, which creates service jobs.

What is anti-job is fighting job loss and driving up the cost of employees. If companies go offshore for cost, they should not be incented ed to do it to escape Obamacare, payroll taxes, unemployment insurance, overtime rules, the minimum wage and so on. The left lament the job loss while pushing companies off shore. Then they fight growth industries like energy and finance because they are evil.

The US would be fine if the left would stop helping. The Republicans are sad and pathetic, but at least they aren't driving those things.

Nice try but the majority of off-shoring and influx of business visas took place during GW, not O.
You should perhaps subscribe to a financial publication to keep tabs of these events.

What about I'm not specifically talking about Obama are you not grasping?

BTW, offshoring is great for our economy. I proudly offshored a bunch of IT support to India in my GE management days.

 

[Indeependent]

People have actually been lamenting technology eliminating jobs for many decades. Technology also increases productivity and reduces prices for consumers and makes American companies more competitive versus international and that increases jobs. Jobs don't go away, they move. And as people have more money, they buy more services, which creates service jobs.

What is anti-job is fighting job loss and driving up the cost of employees. If companies go offshore for cost, they should not be incented ed to do it to escape Obamacare, payroll taxes, unemployment insurance, overtime rules, the minimum wage and so on. The left lament the job loss while pushing companies off shore. Then they fight growth industries like energy and finance because they are evil.

The US would be fine if the left would stop helping. The Republicans are sad and pathetic, but at least they aren't driving those things.

Nice try but the majority of off-shoring and influx of business visas took place during GW, not O.
You should perhaps subscribe to a financial publication to keep tabs of these events.

What about I'm not specifically talking about Obama are you not grasping?

Why do you mention the Left's Draconian Paradigm as chasing businesses overseas when the Free Market resulted in more off-shoring than the prior 30 years?
Your arguments of government intervention alone chasing jobs overseas simply doesn't hold water.

 

[Foxfyre]

Nice try but the majority of off-shoring and influx of business visas took place during GW, not O.
You should perhaps subscribe to a financial publication to keep tabs of these events.

What about I'm not specifically talking about Obama are you not grasping?

Why do you mention the Left's Draconian Paradigm as chasing businesses overseas when the Free Market resulted in more off-shoring than the prior 30 years?
Your arguments of government intervention alone chasing jobs overseas simply doesn't hold water.

It is restrictions on the free market and punishment for economic success that causes off shoring. Nothing else.

 

[kaz]

The context of most postings seem to imply that O has been the beginning of the end.
We are currently immersed in the Clinton/GW/Obama deindustrialization of the US dreamed up during Reagan's administration.
Technology since Clinton has simply put this into hyper-drive.

People have actually been lamenting technology eliminating jobs for many decades. Technology also increases productivity and reduces prices for consumers and makes American companies more competitive versus international and that increases jobs. Jobs don't go away, they move. And as people have more money, they buy more services, which creates service jobs.

What is anti-job is fighting job loss and driving up the cost of employees. If companies go offshore for cost, they should not be incented ed to do it to escape Obamacare, payroll taxes, unemployment insurance, overtime rules, the minimum wage and so on. The left lament the job loss while pushing companies off shore. Then they fight growth industries like energy and finance because they are evil.

The US would be fine if the left would stop helping. The Republicans are sad and pathetic, but at least they aren't driving those things.

Exactly. For decades now the U.S. government has been imposing more and more mandates, restrictions, and requirements, all of which add costs to doing business, on U.S. commerce and industry while taxing corporations at one of the highest rates in the world. And at the same time they threaten business with even more regulation, higher taxes, higher minimum wages, and push unionization. As the business climate becomes ever more restrictive and profit unfriendly, of course those wishing to do business are moving their businesses elsewhere to more business-friendly environments.

And I swear we have become a nation of idiots with our fearless leaders wringing their hands and desperately grasping at anything that would force those businesses to stay here while refusing to see that it is their own meddling that has created the situation in the first place. And their own convoluted ideology won't allow them to take any step to reverse it.

Yes, the problem is the nature of politicians is that they want power, which means they always want to "do" something, even when doing less is a no brainer better answer. Like how they are destroying our medical system.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Can someone provide a brief thread summary for a newcomer?

a. Conservative starts a stupid thread.

b. Liberals prove he doesn't know what he's talking about.

c. A dozen more conservatives come in and make fools of themselves trying to defend the original conservative.

(the above summary fits about 80% of the threads on this board, btw)

Are you saying that our job is done here?

Is it unless

a. you get trapped into thinking that you have to get them to admit they are wrong before you can say you've proven your point, or,

b. you don't have anything better to do at the moment.

 

[NYcarbineer]

What about I'm not specifically talking about Obama are you not grasping?

Why do you mention the Left's Draconian Paradigm as chasing businesses overseas when the Free Market resulted in more off-shoring than the prior 30 years?
Your arguments of government intervention alone chasing jobs overseas simply doesn't hold water.

It is restrictions on the free market and punishment for economic success that causes off shoring. Nothing else.

So 50 cents an hour labor overseas has nothing to do with it?

 

[kaz]

What about I'm not specifically talking about Obama are you not grasping?

Why do you mention the Left's Draconian Paradigm as chasing businesses overseas when the Free Market resulted in more off-shoring than the prior 30 years?
Your arguments of government intervention alone chasing jobs overseas simply doesn't hold water.

A) Free market offshoring is good for our economy.

B) Offshoring to escape punitive taxes and regulations is bad for our economy.

The key term is economic efficiency. A is economically efficient, B is economically inefficient. But A and B are both rational decisions for businesses. B is politicians harming the economy with abuse of their power.