Sen Joe McCarthy: American Patriot and Hero

[Dr Grump]

I love the revisionist history on these boards. Most of the right-wing whackjobs would have us now believe that:

1) Abe Lincoln was a douche
2) FDR was THE problem, not the solution to the depression
3) Ronnie Raygun was one of the best presidents the US has ever seen and brought down the Berlin Wall
4) Joseph McCarthy was a Patriot and Hero.

I predict in the next decade or so, the same people will be saying

1) David Koresh was actually the second coming and we missed the boat
2) And Timothy McVeigh will be spoken in the same breath as Paul Revere, Audie Murphy and George Washington himself.

Do you guys have no shame...

...seriously?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Once you free your mind from Liberal GroupThink and read original material, you'll see that McCarthyism is another great Progressive lie, on par with FDR's Economic Greatness.

I don't doubt that for a second that 7/8 of the Libs here believe that McCarthy ran the House UnAmerican Activities Comittee

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I love the revisionist history on these boards. Most of the right-wing whackjobs would have us now believe that:

1) Abe Lincoln was a douche
2) FDR was THE problem, not the solution to the depression
3) Ronnie Raygun was one of the best presidents the US has ever seen and brought down the Berlin Wall
4) Joseph McCarthy was a Patriot and Hero.

I predict in the next decade or so, the same people will be saying

1) David Koresh was actually the second coming and we missed the boat
2) And Timothy McVeigh will be spoken in the same breath as Paul Revere, Audie Murphy and George Washington himself.

Do you guys have no shame...

...seriously?

FDR Accomplishments: US Unemployment 1933: 24.9, 1934: 21.7%, 1935: 20.1%, 1936: 16.9%, 1937: 14.3%, 1938: 19.0%, 1939: 17.2%. = 19.1% average.

Show me when FDR's New Deal ended the Depression.

Do you have no facts?

SERIOUSLY!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Think of it, what was supposed to be the last copy of the Memo that was one of the primary motivators for McCarthy to ask about Communist infiltration of US State was REMOVED FROM THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES IN MARCH 1993.

Let's just chew on that for a minute.

When was the last time you'd seen your family-"physician"???

 

[Dr Grump]

I love the revisionist history on these boards. Most of the right-wing whackjobs would have us now believe that:

1) Abe Lincoln was a douche
2) FDR was THE problem, not the solution to the depression
3) Ronnie Raygun was one of the best presidents the US has ever seen and brought down the Berlin Wall
4) Joseph McCarthy was a Patriot and Hero.

I predict in the next decade or so, the same people will be saying

1) David Koresh was actually the second coming and we missed the boat
2) And Timothy McVeigh will be spoken in the same breath as Paul Revere, Audie Murphy and George Washington himself.

Do you guys have no shame...

...seriously?

FDR Accomplishments: US Unemployment 1933: 24.9, 1934: 21.7%, 1935: 20.1%, 1936: 16.9%, 1937: 14.3%, 1938: 19.0%, 1939: 17.2%. = 19.1% average.

Show me when FDR's New Deal ended the Depression.

Do you have no facts?

SERIOUSLY!

his overall decrease from 1933 to 1939 was 5.7 percent. And we won't even go into how it was down to 14 percent at one stage. At the end of the day almost a quarter of the population was unemployed when he took office. It was under a fifth by the time WWII started. There was a reason he was voted in FOUR times....

Show me how that is bad....

...and don't even get me started on how he INHERITED the mess...That's right CF, it wasn't his mess to begin with, but the way you Cons like to pass the buck when the shit hits the fan, is no surprise to anybody with a modicum of intelligence...

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I love the revisionist history on these boards.

When it comes to their desperate-need for notoriety, people will (even) mimic their favorite carnival side-show!!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Once you free your mind from Liberal GroupThink and read original material, you'll see that McCarthyism is another great Progressive lie, on par with FDR's Economic Greatness.

 

[editec]

I love the revisionist history on these boards. Most of the right-wing whackjobs would have us now believe that:

1) Abe Lincoln was a douche
2) FDR was THE problem, not the solution to the depression
3) Ronnie Raygun was one of the best presidents the US has ever seen and brought down the Berlin Wall
4) Joseph McCarthy was a Patriot and Hero.

I predict in the next decade or so, the same people will be saying

1) David Koresh was actually the second coming and we missed the boat
2) And Timothy McVeigh will be spoken in the same breath as Paul Revere, Audie Murphy and George Washington himself.

Do you guys have no shame...

...seriously?

No, the answer to that is that they don't.

Bear in mind that many of these people hate intellectualism generally, so naturally anything that is well understood they deny..mostly out of spite, I sometimes think.

McCarthy was a human piece of excrement, folks. Ike hated him, as did most Republicans of that day.

He practically insured that the GOP was marginalized and dismissed by the American public until Reagan took office.

It is to the credit of Margaret Chase Smith (Republican- Maine) for finally standing up to him in the Senate.

But by that time his lying methods had so stripped the government of good people, long time hands at foreign policy, people who truly understood what we were facing, that American foriegn policy for the next thirty years was vapid and senseless.

ANYBODY who warned us that the Chinese communists were going to win their civil war against Chang Kia Shek HE ACCUSED of being SOFT on communism. He wrecked the careers of precisely the people we needed in government and his actions had a chilling effect on people who could have told us the truth, too.

Meanwhile the brave souls in the house and Senate hid in terror from that guy...those worthless fucks!

That man did more damage to this nation than any traitor to this nationever has.

Leave to the clueless, angry, right wing ignoramouses on this board to think that drunken scum was hero.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"... .those worthless fucks!" who defend McCarthy here.

 

[American Horse]

"... .those worthless fucks!" who defend McCarthy here.

So...people who don't share your view and the "popular wisdom" are worthless fucks. How courageous! That's what you think of fair debate on a sensitive subject.

The courage lies with those who question, not with those who go with the flow. That's the easy path.
Almost high schoolish in its model of conformism.
Gutless.

 

[jillian]

I love the revisionist history on these boards. Most of the right-wing whackjobs would have us now believe that:

1) Abe Lincoln was a douche
2) FDR was THE problem, not the solution to the depression
3) Ronnie Raygun was one of the best presidents the US has ever seen and brought down the Berlin Wall
4) Joseph McCarthy was a Patriot and Hero.

I predict in the next decade or so, the same people will be saying

1) David Koresh was actually the second coming and we missed the boat
2) And Timothy McVeigh will be spoken in the same breath as Paul Revere, Audie Murphy and George Washington himself.

Do you guys have no shame...

...seriously?

No, the answer to that is that they don't.

Bear in mind that many of these people hate intellectualism generally, so naturally anything that is well understood they deny..mostly out of spite, I sometimes think.

McCarthy was a human piece of excrement, folks. Ike hated him, as did most Republicans of that day.

He practically insured that the GOP was marginalized and dismissed by the American public until Reagan took office.

It is to the credit of Margaret Chase Smith (Republican- Maine) for finally standing up to him in the Senate.

But by that time his lying methods had so stripped the government of good people, long time hands at foreign policy, people who truly understood what we were facing, that American foriegn policy for the next thirty years was vapid and senseless.

ANYBODY who warned us that the Chinese communists were going to win their civil war against Chang Kia Shek HE ACCUSED of being SOFT on communism. He wrecked the careers of precisely the people we needed in government and his actions had a chilling effect on people who could have told us the truth, too.

Meanwhile the brave souls in the house and Senate hid in terror from that guy...those worthless fucks!

That man did more damage to this nation than any traitor to this nationever has.

Leave to the clueless, angry, right wing ignoramouses on this board to think that drunken scum was hero.

^^^^^^^^^^^

consider this the USMB version of re-tweeting....

well said, both.

and true.

 

[JakeStarkey]

American Horse's sophomoric defense of the indefensible is risible. McCarthy was one of the worst leaders in American history and caused tremendous damage. His idea of "fair debate" is to rehabilitate McCarthy(look at PC's attempts to redefine history by ignoring history and the reputable facts in this event), regardless the evidence.

Yes, I will oppose such McCarthy revision by the far right demagogues and propagandists for what it is: a determined revision of history for political opportunity, that is not supported by the facts.

 

[rightwinger]

I love the revisionist history on these boards. Most of the right-wing whackjobs would have us now believe that:

1) Abe Lincoln was a douche
2) FDR was THE problem, not the solution to the depression
3) Ronnie Raygun was one of the best presidents the US has ever seen and brought down the Berlin Wall
4) Joseph McCarthy was a Patriot and Hero.

I predict in the next decade or so, the same people will be saying

1) David Koresh was actually the second coming and we missed the boat
2) And Timothy McVeigh will be spoken in the same breath as Paul Revere, Audie Murphy and George Washington himself.

Do you guys have no shame...

...seriously?

Welcome to the bizzarro world of present day Republicans...

Black is white, good is bad

 

[American Horse]

American Horse's sophomoric defense of the indefensible is risible. McCarthy was one of the worst leaders in American history and caused tremendous damage. His idea of "fair debate" is to rehabilitate McCarthy(look at PC's attempts to redefine history by ignoring history and the reputable facts in this event), regardless the evidence.

Yes, I will oppose such McCarthy revision by the far right demagogues and propagandists for what it is: a determined revision of history for political opportunity, that is not supported by the facts.

Unlike you, I try to add something to the conversation; you attempt to nullify or quell it with slurs.

I attempt to post substantive responses, not just insults to provoke people. When I challenge, I challenge with facts on my side, not “sophomoric” put downs; such as calling legitimate posters “worthless fucks” because they take an unpopular stand on a subject worthy of real discussion.

Anyone wanting to check or compare the quality of posts is free to look back on this thread.

A substantive post of mine in an earlier thread on this same topic can be seen
HERE
or
HERE for review.

 

[JakeStarkey]

American Horse's sophomoric defense of the indefensible is risible. McCarthy was one of the worst leaders in American history and caused tremendous damage. His idea of "fair debate" is to rehabilitate McCarthy(look at PC's attempts to redefine history by ignoring history and the reputable facts in this event), regardless the evidence.

Yes, I will oppose such McCarthy revision by the far right demagogues and propagandists for what it is: a determined revision of history for political opportunity, that is not supported by the facts.

Unlike you, I try to add something to the conversation; you attempt to nullify or quell it with slurs.

I attempt to post substantive responses, not just insults to provoke people. When I challenge, I challenge with facts on my side, not “sophomoric” put downs; such as calling legitimate posters “worthless fucks” because they take an unpopular stand on a subject worthy of real discussion.

Anyone wanting to check or compare the quality of posts is free to look back on this thread.

A substantive post of mine in an earlier thread on this same topic can be seen
HERE
or
HERE for review.

Pointing out the inaccuracies and wrongs of the far right propagandist trying to revise the injuries brought upon the Republic by Joe McCarthy is not "slurs" and is the start point for a real discussion of the matter.

 

[American Horse]

Pointing out the inaccuracies and wrongs of the far right propagandist trying to revise the injuries brought upon the Republic by Joe McCarthy is not "slurs" and is the start point for a real discussion of the matter.

Then why the heck don't you do just that, instead of posting drive by attacks with only opinion to back them up? Do the work!

Edit: I repeat: is “worthless fucks” a piece of your work? obviously so.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I love the revisionist history on these boards. Most of the right-wing whackjobs would have us now believe that:

1) Abe Lincoln was a douche
2) FDR was THE problem, not the solution to the depression
3) Ronnie Raygun was one of the best presidents the US has ever seen and brought down the Berlin Wall
4) Joseph McCarthy was a Patriot and Hero.

I predict in the next decade or so, the same people will be saying

1) David Koresh was actually the second coming and we missed the boat
2) And Timothy McVeigh will be spoken in the same breath as Paul Revere, Audie Murphy and George Washington himself.

Do you guys have no shame...

...seriously?

FDR Accomplishments: US Unemployment 1933: 24.9, 1934: 21.7%, 1935: 20.1%, 1936: 16.9%, 1937: 14.3%, 1938: 19.0%, 1939: 17.2%. = 19.1% average.

Show me when FDR's New Deal ended the Depression.

Do you have no facts?

SERIOUSLY!

his overall decrease from 1933 to 1939 was 5.7 percent. And we won't even go into how it was down to 14 percent at one stage. At the end of the day almost a quarter of the population was unemployed when he took office. It was under a fifth by the time WWII started. There was a reason he was voted in FOUR times....

Show me how that is bad....

...and don't even get me started on how he INHERITED the mess...That's right CF, it wasn't his mess to begin with, but the way you Cons like to pass the buck when the shit hits the fan, is no surprise to anybody with a modicum of intelligence...

An average of 1% reduction per year over 7 years is "Greatness"?

That's is? That why we needed the "New Deal" and total rewrite of the Constitution and our relationship with government for an average reduction of 1% per year.

OK. I'm done playing this game.

FDR SUCKED!

His policies were miserable failures for the people but because the New Deal" was a total rewrite of the Constitution and our relationship with government, he is incorrectly labeled "Great".

His policies were failures. His economic ideas were worse than Hoovers! But unlike Hoover, FDR immortalized his Socialist/Marxist ideas as the New Deal and that's why we've had the 70 year lie about FDR's Greatness.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

This is the best part of the Progressive loss of their Media Monopoly, their lies are laid bare for all to see.

We're not kids in school anymore needed a passing grade so we have to parrot back FDR's Greatness or what a bad bad man Joe McCarthy was.

The facts are just not there at all to back up ANY Lib position on McCarthy: State WAS overrun with Communists and Venona and EVERYTHING since vindicates McCarthy.

But Libs will keep lying because that's how they've been trained.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Nope, I don't have to do the work. The conclusion has been made some time ago what Senator McCarthy was as a person and as a people's representative. He was despicable. The topic does not deserve discussion.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Nope, I don't have to do the work. The conclusion has been made some time ago what Senator McCarthy was as a person and as a people's representative. He was despicable. The topic does not deserve discussion.

Except that the Soviets have demonstrated that they did indeed have Communist spies planted at US State.

Facts are not your friend, Jake.