Serious questions for Trump supporters regarding this impeachment thing

[dblack]

Progressivism socialism same difference... A cancer on society

You obviously don’t understand the difference. Study up before you say things like that, you won’t sound as stupid

Tell us the difference. And try not to sound stupid.

There is a neat feature on phones and web browsers where you can highlight a word and then find the definition. Try it

Nothin? No one understands socialism but you, and you're not telling. Way to go!

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
Learn to pronounce
noun

1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Progressivism is the support for or advocacyof social reform.[1] As a philosophy, it is based on the idea of progress, which asserts that advancements in science, technology, economic development and social organizationare vital to the improvement of the human condition.

Ahh, you're doing the evasion dance! How lovely.

In point of fact, you were defending "progressive socialism", not progressivism. And you suggested there was a difference. But you don't seem to know what it is. From my perspective, socialism is socialism - regardless of the decoration (eg "Democratic Socialism", "Progressive Socialism", etc, etc,...). The differences between the various forms are irrelevant because they all seek to put government in charge of societies economic decisions. That's the part that matters, and that's the part I'll fight against.

So, go ahead and make an ass out of yourself with equivocation all you like. It won't further your goals, and it won't convince anyone you're right. It just shows you don't want to talk about what you're really after.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Pragmatic; I am pragmatic.

A sore lose ain't so bad, a sore winner is an asshole.

Hard for the the GOP to further destroy what Obama has pretty much trashed.

Pragmatic that.

What did President Obama Trash?

Workers when he said "you didn't build that". That POS never did a day's work in his life and he criticizes me and my fellow workers without knowing a damn thing? Screw him, the lazy bastard!

Did the owner build the infrastructure necessary for the business to operate?

That you buy into that bullshit suggests you are not very bright.

What the Hell are you talking about?

I'm not talking, bozo, I wrote a clear declarative sentence. I can't believe you are that stupid not to get it.

 

[Third Party]

Hard for the the GOP to further destroy what Obama has pretty much trashed.

Pragmatic that.

What did President Obama Trash?

Workers when he said "you didn't build that". That POS never did a day's work in his life and he criticizes me and my fellow workers without knowing a damn thing? Screw him, the lazy bastard!

Did the owner build the infrastructure necessary for the business to operate?

That you buy into that bullshit suggests you are not very bright.

What the Hell are you talking about?

I'm not talking, bozo, I wrote a clear declarative sentence. I can't believe you are that stupid not to get it.

You write like like an eighty year old-confused and grumpy. I don't have time to read your silly crap-I hereby ban you.

 

[Slade3200]

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Why are you talking about socialists?

Progressivism socialism same difference... A cancer on society

You obviously don’t understand the difference. Study up before you say things like that, you won’t sound as stupid

Do you think what Biden said was some what questionable?

I think Biden acted in coordination with our government and that of our Allies. So the motives you assign to him you have to assign to everybody.

Now if Biden went rogue and threatened to pull the loan to fire a guy without the sanction of our government then hell yes that would be inappropriate. But there is ZERO EVIDENCE that happened. Your story is a fabrication.

So you aren’t interested in how many meetings hunter Biden showed up for? Interesting

When did I say I wasnt interested in that?

You just love jumping to conclusions don’t ya?

 

[Slade3200]

Your talking about the piece he called parody? Did you think he was trying to pass that off as an actual quote. That one when right over your head I guess

It only became a parody after a Republican pointed out he was lying.

He might have gotten away with it if not for the transcript being made public. But since it is public, only the Democrats will believe what he said. After all, Democrats don't think for themselves, they are only told what to think which is why he pulled it off.

Holy shit Ray.. you too?! You really think age was trying to pass that off as Trumps actual words?! Go watch the video again, this is going right over your head

Yes, that's exactly what I think.

Christ Ray, you’re dumber than I thought. Here’s a tip when somebody says

“Shorn of its rambling character and in not so many words, this is the essence of what the president communicates”

It usually means what they say next is not an exact quote it is an interpretation of it.

You really need to start thinking for yourself

Opinion: Adam Schiff's riff on Trump's Ukraine call was more truth than parody, but still unwise

/——/ Its not an exact quote? It 100% made up bullshyt of what Pencil Neck wished Trump said. We have the transcript, of it is so damnig, why not quote from that? Yeah Schiff was trying to convince us that is what the president said. And you know it. Not an exact quote... Bwhahahaha Bwhahahaha

No shit! Schiff literally said that it was the essence of what trump was communicating. That means he wasn’t quoting trump he is explaining how he is interpreting the conversation. How do you not understand this?! Are we both speaking English here?!

 

[Slade3200]

You obviously don’t understand the difference. Study up before you say things like that, you won’t sound as stupid

Tell us the difference. And try not to sound stupid.

There is a neat feature on phones and web browsers where you can highlight a word and then find the definition. Try it

Nothin? No one understands socialism but you, and you're not telling. Way to go!

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
Learn to pronounce
noun

1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Progressivism is the support for or advocacyof social reform.[1] As a philosophy, it is based on the idea of progress, which asserts that advancements in science, technology, economic development and social organizationare vital to the improvement of the human condition.

Ahh, you're doing the evasion dance! How lovely.

In point of fact, you were defending "progressive socialism", not progressivism. And you suggested there was a difference. But you don't seem to know what it is. From my perspective, socialism is socialism - regardless of the decoration (eg "Democratic Socialism", "Progressive Socialism", etc, etc,...). The differences between the various forms are irrelevant because they all seek to put government in charge of societies economic decisions. That's the part that matters, and that's the part I'll fight against.

So, go ahead and make an ass out of yourself with equivocation all you like. It won't further your goals, and it won't convince anyone you're right. It just shows you don't want to talk about what you're really after.

Haha. I literally post the definitions which are quite different and you call that evading?! And then you make up “progressive socialism” as something that I was talking about when I never actually said that? Way to go buddy. You beat the strawman that you created. Such a pleasure debating dishonest turds. Thanks for playing.

 

[Wry Catcher]

What did President Obama Trash?

Workers when he said "you didn't build that". That POS never did a day's work in his life and he criticizes me and my fellow workers without knowing a damn thing? Screw him, the lazy bastard!

Did the owner build the infrastructure necessary for the business to operate?

That you buy into that bullshit suggests you are not very bright.

What the Hell are you talking about?

I'm not talking, bozo, I wrote a clear declarative sentence. I can't believe you are that stupid not to get it.

You write like like an eighty year old-confused and grumpy. I don't have time to read your silly crap-I hereby ban you.

You made me cry.





SARCASM ALERT

 

[bendog]

I've been reading for a long time that Trump supporters want the impeachment proceedings to happen, and I'm seeing a lot of celebrating here, but I'm not quite sure why.

My guess is that you're thinking the Dems will make themselves look bad in the process, just in time for the next elections, would that be fair? (I can't disagree that politicians can make themselves look foolish, by the way, especially when they think they smell blood)

Any other reasons? And isn't it possible that some negative or damaging news on Trump will come to light as well, which might hurt him in 2020?

Serious questions.
.

I don't know about Trumpsettes' fears, but the dems wisely fear that because NOTHING Trump does bother the Trumpsettes enough to vote for anyone else, the best the dems can do is not excite them, and impeachment will spike their blood pressure. lol

So I suspect that the Trumpstettes view impeachment as an actual positive for their voter get out efforts to affect the dismal Trump polling.

 

[bendog]

Workers when he said "you didn't build that". That POS never did a day's work in his life and he criticizes me and my fellow workers without knowing a damn thing? Screw him, the lazy bastard!

Did the owner build the infrastructure necessary for the business to operate?

That you buy into that bullshit suggests you are not very bright.

What the Hell are you talking about?

I'm not talking, bozo, I wrote a clear declarative sentence. I can't believe you are that stupid not to get it.

You write like like an eighty year old-confused and grumpy. I don't have time to read your silly crap-I hereby ban you.

You made me cry.





SARCASM ALERT

And his post was grammatically …. wrong too. LOL

 

[dblack]

Tell us the difference. And try not to sound stupid.

There is a neat feature on phones and web browsers where you can highlight a word and then find the definition. Try it

Nothin? No one understands socialism but you, and you're not telling. Way to go!

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
Learn to pronounce
noun

1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Progressivism is the support for or advocacyof social reform.[1] As a philosophy, it is based on the idea of progress, which asserts that advancements in science, technology, economic development and social organizationare vital to the improvement of the human condition.

Ahh, you're doing the evasion dance! How lovely.

In point of fact, you were defending "progressive socialism", not progressivism. And you suggested there was a difference. But you don't seem to know what it is. From my perspective, socialism is socialism - regardless of the decoration (eg "Democratic Socialism", "Progressive Socialism", etc, etc,...). The differences between the various forms are irrelevant because they all seek to put government in charge of societies economic decisions. That's the part that matters, and that's the part I'll fight against.

So, go ahead and make an ass out of yourself with equivocation all you like. It won't further your goals, and it won't convince anyone you're right. It just shows you don't want to talk about what you're really after.

Haha. I literally post the definitions which are quite different and you call that evading?! And then you make up “progressive socialism” as something that I was talking about when I never actually said that? Way to go buddy. You beat the strawman that you created. Such a pleasure debating dishonest turds. Thanks for playing.

Progressive socialism was used in the quote you were responding to. Sorry if you got confused.

 

[Third Party]

View attachment 282162

Progressivism socialism same difference... A cancer on society

You obviously don’t understand the difference. Study up before you say things like that, you won’t sound as stupid

Do you think what Biden said was some what questionable?

I think Biden acted in coordination with our government and that of our Allies. So the motives you assign to him you have to assign to everybody.

Now if Biden went rogue and threatened to pull the loan to fire a guy without the sanction of our government then hell yes that would be inappropriate. But there is ZERO EVIDENCE that happened. Your story is a fabrication.

So you aren’t interested in how many meetings hunter Biden showed up for? Interesting

When did I say I wasnt interested in that?

You just love jumping to conclusions don’t ya?

Seems to be the latest rage in Washington these days.

 

[Andylusion]

So why was it withheld? I'm convinced because either Trump, or someone in the Trump administration knew that delaying the release of this report, would be a brilliant political move. They knew that he left-wing, which has been both rabid and delusional in their attempts to destroy Trump, would toss themselves like a suicide cult, on this sword of their own making.

It was likely withheld due to them changing the requirements for whistleblowing. They changed it from having direct knowledge to hearing information second hand. It's not clear the exact date as to when it was changed, but it's now suspected about two weeks before the story hit the media.

And that is yet another well fertilized conspiracy theory.

Fact check: Trump and other Republicans falsely claim whistleblower rules changed just before Ukraine complaint - CNNPolitics

The article claims that "between May 2018 and August 2019, the intelligence community secretly eliminated a requirement that whistleblowers provide direct, first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings."
Facts First: This is false. The Federalist reading of the form is inaccurate and although the submission form that whistleblowers from the intelligence community fill out was revised in August 2019, the revision did not change the rules on who can submit a whistleblower complaint.
Even so, pro-Trump pundits and lawmakers spread the theory on Twitter and TV over the weekend as evidence of some nefarious plot against Trump. Republican Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio told Jake Tapper on "State of the Union" that whistleblowers no longer need firsthand knowledge because "they changed the form."

Tapper pushed back, fact-checking Jordan. "Experts say it has never been true that you need to have firsthand knowledge to be a whistleblower," Tapper said.

In a statement issued late Monday afternoon, the inspector general of the intelligence community (ICIG) said that the form submitted by the whistleblower on August 12, 2019, was the same one the ICIG has had in place since May 24, 2018. The statement reiterated the fact that having firsthand knowledge of the event has never been required in order to submit a whistleblower complaint. "Although the form requests information about whether the Complainant possesses first-hand knowledge about the matter about which he or she is lodging the complaint, there is no such requirement set forth in the statute."

Tapper pushed back, fact-checking Jordan. "Experts say it has never been true that you need to have firsthand knowledge to be a whistleblower," Tapper said. ​

Right..... I don't think that was the question.
We are not talking about the whistleblower act.

We're not talking about any of that. We're talking about the internal procedures of the government.

In order for an employee to move a concern up the chain of command, and alert congress of a complaint about a possible violation of law, they have a specific form. "DISCLOSURE OF URGENT CONCERN FORM"

This *IS* the form they used to pass the complain up through the government.

The problem we on the right-wing have with this, is that just a couple of weeks ago.... this form said....

Again.... has nothing to do with the whistleblower act.

This form, said this....

Then magically, when this guy had no first hand information at all.... this requirement was removed just days before they filed their "urgent concern".

This is calling into question, the integrity of the intelligence community, because they are actively changing their own internal procedures, in order to complain about Trump.

 

[Andylusion]

The whistle blower, was a non-event. We've gone through it. The whistle blower knew even less about the phone call, than we know right now. The report was effectively a massive nothing-burger. Much like the Mueller report was a nothing-burger.

The report contained references to news articles, and hear-say. That's it. In short it was "I heard.... " and "There was a call...." and "Some people said....".

That whistle blower report was remarkable in only one way.... how little it had in the way of facts.

So why was it withheld? I'm convinced because either Trump, or someone in the Trump administration knew that delaying the release of this report, would be a brilliant political move. They knew that he left-wing, which has been both rabid and delusional in their attempts to destroy Trump, would toss themselves like a suicide cult, on this sword of their own making.

And they did. I have a hard time believing that Trump himself was this smart... but someone led the entire left-lemming-wing straight to a cliff, and encouraged them as they jumped to their deaths.

So let me clarify....

If there is something more here... and new evidence comes out showing illegal activity, then Trump is doomed, and I'm all for it.

But as things stand right now at this moment.... this will destroy the Democrats, and their lemming followers.

Trump is in melt down mode. His diehards probably love it but for normal people when our POTUS sends close to 50 tweets in 24 hours and brings up things like civil war, treason, confronting the whistleblower, White House spy’s etc etc etc it get real old. If we are talking about political strategy then I’m not seeing the brilliance from trump here I’m seeing a tail spin.

Oh good grief. You act like Trump wasn't a drama queen until now. This is what the man does. Chill out, and move on.

No shit, which is why he has faced such stark opposition since he entered politics. He is crossing lines left and right and even his own friends and supporters in congress are starting to speak out against his meltdowns. The wall is cracking. It isn’t pretty

Hold up.... "That" is why he has faced such stark opposition?

Obama was opposed.
Bush was opposed.
Clinton was opposed.
Bush Sr. was opposed.
Reagan was opposed.
Carter was opposed.

All of them... ALL of them... faced 'stark opposition'.

You are telling me that if Trump had been this refined upstanding person, like Mitt Romney, that the Democrats would not have opposed every single thing he did? Like cutting taxes, reducing regulation, moving the embassy to the capital of Israel, opposing N.Korea, and canceling the Iran "go-ahead-and-build-a-bomb" deal?

Nah, the left would have opposed every single thing, and done so with just as much vitriol and hate. And I know this because Mitt Romney was by any accurate measure, a really decent guy. The left wing savaged the man brutally, and said he was going to put black people back in chains.

That's simply the kind of people the left-wing is. Trump would be viciously opposed and attack, no matter what kind of man he was. That's what you get for being scummy to people, you end up with only scummy people around you. Too bad, so sad, sucks to be you.

Of course he would have been opposed but like those before him there would be some civility and respect and opportunity to get stuff done on a bipartisan basis. There is a respectable way to engage with opposition, trump isnt interested in that. He is a bully and that’s how he runs thing. Civility seems to have eroded away at this point.

The left-wing hasn't shown civility and respect, in decades.
You sure didn't see any civility and respect with Obama.

Yes, Trump is a bully. That's what we all wanted. We were tried of the left-wing being bullies to the right... so we got our own bully, and you people are freaking out about it. Tough snot. If you can't take what you dish out, stop dishing it out.

 

[jc456]

And that is yet another well fertilized conspiracy theory.

You can watch it happening. The President is being fed hot garbage by unscrupulous people around him.

the fact you aren't concerned with Biden doing something wrong, is our proof you have no objectivity at all. loser partisan. you no longer have any value in the discussion, you can't see another side at all.

 

[jc456]

how to overturn an election, it being played out still today!!!

 

[Cellblock2429]

It only became a parody after a Republican pointed out he was lying.

He might have gotten away with it if not for the transcript being made public. But since it is public, only the Democrats will believe what he said. After all, Democrats don't think for themselves, they are only told what to think which is why he pulled it off.

Holy shit Ray.. you too?! You really think age was trying to pass that off as Trumps actual words?! Go watch the video again, this is going right over your head

Yes, that's exactly what I think.

Christ Ray, you’re dumber than I thought. Here’s a tip when somebody says

“Shorn of its rambling character and in not so many words, this is the essence of what the president communicates”

It usually means what they say next is not an exact quote it is an interpretation of it.

You really need to start thinking for yourself

Opinion: Adam Schiff's riff on Trump's Ukraine call was more truth than parody, but still unwise

/——/ Its not an exact quote? It 100% made up bullshyt of what Pencil Neck wished Trump said. We have the transcript, of it is so damnig, why not quote from that? Yeah Schiff was trying to convince us that is what the president said. And you know it. Not an exact quote... Bwhahahaha Bwhahahaha

No shit! Schiff literally said that it was the essence of what trump was communicating. That means he wasn’t quoting trump he is explaining how he is interpreting the conversation. How do you not understand this?! Are we both speaking English here?!

/----/ "No shit! Schiff literally said that it was the essence of what trump was communicating. "
essence of what? President Trump said nothing remotely close to what Schiff said. It was 100% cut from whole cloth. BTW, from your post, I interpret that you intend to rob the 7-11 this afternoon.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

the fact you aren't concerned with Biden doing something wrong, is our proof you have no objectivity at all

Vapid whining. There is no reason to think he did anything wrong. You fools are just making shit up. I can't be any more clear.

 

[Cellblock2429]

the fact you aren't concerned with Biden doing something wrong, is our proof you have no objectivity at all

Vapid whining. There is no reason to think he did anything wrong. You fools are just making shit up. I can't be any more clear.

/----/Even though Biden bragged about it -- yeah no proof -- if you're a libtard moonbat.

 

[Slade3200]

There is a neat feature on phones and web browsers where you can highlight a word and then find the definition. Try it

Nothin? No one understands socialism but you, and you're not telling. Way to go!

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
Learn to pronounce
noun

1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Progressivism is the support for or advocacyof social reform.[1] As a philosophy, it is based on the idea of progress, which asserts that advancements in science, technology, economic development and social organizationare vital to the improvement of the human condition.

Ahh, you're doing the evasion dance! How lovely.

In point of fact, you were defending "progressive socialism", not progressivism. And you suggested there was a difference. But you don't seem to know what it is. From my perspective, socialism is socialism - regardless of the decoration (eg "Democratic Socialism", "Progressive Socialism", etc, etc,...). The differences between the various forms are irrelevant because they all seek to put government in charge of societies economic decisions. That's the part that matters, and that's the part I'll fight against.

So, go ahead and make an ass out of yourself with equivocation all you like. It won't further your goals, and it won't convince anyone you're right. It just shows you don't want to talk about what you're really after.

Haha. I literally post the definitions which are quite different and you call that evading?! And then you make up “progressive socialism” as something that I was talking about when I never actually said that? Way to go buddy. You beat the strawman that you created. Such a pleasure debating dishonest turds. Thanks for playing.

Progressive socialism was used in the quote you were responding to. Sorry if you got confused.

You misread. Here is the thread...

According to socialists no individual deserves any money that they earned, deadbeats deserve other peoples money


Why are you talking about socialists?


Progressivism socialism same difference... A cancer on society


You obviously don’t understand the difference. Study up before you say things like that, you won’t sound as stupid


Tell us the difference. And try not to sound stupid

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

the fact you aren't concerned with Biden doing something wrong, is our proof you have no objectivity at all

Vapid whining. There is no reason to think he did anything wrong. You fools are just making shit up. I can't be any more clear.

/----/Even though Biden bragged about it -- yeah no proof -- if you're a libtard moonbat.

No he didn't. Sorry my man...you cultists are going to have to peddle your embarrassing, desperate nonsense to someone else.