Settlers Assault 60 Year Old Palestinian Judge

[Jroc]

What sort of source is "palestinefacts.org"? It sounds like propaganda more than facts and gives absolutely no information as to who they are.

Other than that....you seem to buy into the "pro-Israeli" side puts forth that it was an empty land when the Zionists came.

It wasn't.

There were indiginous people and they were not just Jews.

There were Arab immigrants and Jewish immigrants.

The settlers represent the latest wave of immigrants invading occupied territory that does not belong (under international law) to them.

The Arabs got their countries.... Now the Jews have theirs...You're welcome again.

You're very welcoming, it's a pity you aren't as welcoming or receptive to facts.

The Jews have a country.

It's called Israel. No one is arguing their right to a country.

Countries are not determined by vague ethnic groups like "Arabs". Otherwise, we would only need one European country. One African country. You get it right?

So, we agree that the Jews have their country. Now lets move to the illegally held occupied territory and the question of "settlers" invading it.

That belongs to the Palestinians.

Palestinian? Is Jordan country of "Palestine" Most of the people there call themselves "Palestinian?"

 

[Coyote]

It seems that the pro Palestinians will never accept that. We see poor people coming here from Mexico, Central and South America (many times putting their lives in jeopardy trying to sneak into here for jobs), we see the Muslims swarming into Europe (many times coming in boats that are not seaworthy; thus putting their lives in jeopardy) for jobs, but it is utterly impossible it seems for some of the posters on this forum to believe that the Muslims came from their poorer surrounding countries when the Jews had jobs for them.

What was the impact of the Zionists on Palestine?

What sort of source is "palestinefacts.org"? It sounds like propaganda more than facts and gives absolutely no information as to who they are.

Other than that....you seem to buy into the "pro-Israeli" side puts forth that it was an empty land when the Zionists came.

It wasn't.

There were indiginous people and they were not just Jews.

There were Arab immigrants and Jewish immigrants.

The settlers represent the latest wave of immigrants invading occupied territory that does not belong (under international law) to them. We aren't talking about Israel as a whole but about a specific group of invaders who call themselves "settlers" and who's apologists seem to think it's ok to beat an elderly judge senseless.

Why not dig deeper and find out what some visitors who actually were in the area said about what they saw a hundred years ago or more.
I imagine you are also one who would call Winston Churchill a liar when he said the Arabs came in droves from their surrounding countries for jobs. Don't you think the British officials in the area saw what was happening and reported back?

Consider something: the attitudes of the early 20th century American and Europeans regarding the savages of the Middle East, Africa, and assorted other countries and how that might effect what they saw and reported? Everyone reports events through the lens of their own bias' and none of them reported and empty land.

Do you even need to be some kind of official in this country to see the population changes here. Can you honestly say that the population (unless you are living in a small, small town) is the same as when you were a youngster? Try as you might, there are records of what these early visitors to the area saw, and they certainly didn't see the area populated with all the Arabs you want the viewers to believe were there. By the way, it really is amusing how when the pro Palestinians don't like what is being said, it is always propaganda. However, whatever they say just has to be the Gospel truth.

It's really amusing to see how the pro Zionists ignore actual census figures from the time. It was not an empty land. I am not and have not claimed it was densely populated - but it WAS populated by both Arabs and a minority of Jews. I used a source that describes what it is and who is behind it. You did not.

Perhaps you might consider how many times the pro-palestinian sources are labeled "propaganda" or does that slip your mind?

 

[Coyote]

The Arabs got their countries.... Now the Jews have theirs...You're welcome again.

You're very welcoming, it's a pity you aren't as welcoming or receptive to facts.

The Jews have a country.

It's called Israel. No one is arguing their right to a country.

Countries are not determined by vague ethnic groups like "Arabs". Otherwise, we would only need one European country. One African country. You get it right?

So, we agree that the Jews have their country. Now lets move to the illegally held occupied territory and the question of "settlers" invading it.

That belongs to the Palestinians.

Palestinian? Is Jordan country of "Palestine" Most of the people there call themselves "Palestinian?"

Jordan is Jordan.

The occupied territories are not and never were part of Israel.

You can play semantical games if you wish.

 

[Coyote]

So back to OP. It seems that most feel it's just fine to beat an old man senseless, as long as our a settler and he's a Pali.

 

[Billo_Really]

Try as you might, there are records of what these early visitors to the area saw...

And one was a zionist humanist who had this to say...

the settlers must under no circumstances arouse the wrath of the natives ... 'Yet what do our brethren do in Palestine? Just the very opposite! Serfs they were in the lands of the Diaspora and suddenly they find themselves in unrestricted freedom and this change has awakened in them an inclination to despotism. They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination.
- Ahad Ha'am

And in reference to the indigenous population of arabs, he had this to say...

...in February 1914 ... '[the Zionists] wax angry towards those who remind them that there is still another people in Eretz Yisrael that has been living there and does not intend at all to leave its place.

Now, are you going to call that propaganda?

 

[Connery]

So back to OP. It seems that most feel it's just fine to beat an old man senseless, as long as our a settler and he's a Pali.

You are attempting to create something more out of a simple assault. It is not right of course, but it is not a remarkable issue.

 

[Connery]

Settlers assault 60-year-old Palestinian judge------4/12/2013 RAMALLAH (Ma'an) -- "Israeli settlers on Thursday assaulted a 60-year-old Palestinian judge as he worked on his land near Ramallah, sparking violent clashes between Palestinians and Israeli forces.*Judge Ahmad al-Zir sustained multiple injuries, including head wounds, and was left unconscious in the attack, a Ma'an reporter said.*He was taken to the Ramallah Governmental Hospital.*Residents of Silwad headed to the al-Asour area, where the attack happened, and confronted settlers, setting fire to caravans in a nearby outpost.*Israeli forces arrived and fired tear gas and plastic-coated bullets at the Palestinians. A 16-year-old Palestinian was shot in the chest and the arm with plastic-coated bullets, medics said.*The teenager was also taken to the Ramallah Governmental Hospital and is in a stable condition."

Israeli settlers walk in an illegal outpost in the West Bank. (Reuters/Ronen Zvulun, File)

(An illegal outpost is an illegal settlement illegal under both intl law and Israeli law, but the IDF and Israeli government allow the illegal outposts to flourish and grow)

So what. This is from the patch of dingleberries you post here in order to garner attention.

What issue are you trying to set forth, sherriGaga?

 

[Jroc]

Settlers assault 60-year-old Palestinian judge------4/12/2013 RAMALLAH (Ma'an) -- "Israeli settlers on Thursday assaulted a 60-year-old Palestinian judge as he worked on his land near Ramallah, sparking violent clashes between Palestinians and Israeli forces.*Judge Ahmad al-Zir sustained multiple injuries, including head wounds, and was left unconscious in the attack, a Ma'an reporter said.*He was taken to the Ramallah Governmental Hospital.*Residents of Silwad headed to the al-Asour area, where the attack happened, and confronted settlers, setting fire to caravans in a nearby outpost.*Israeli forces arrived and fired tear gas and plastic-coated bullets at the Palestinians. A 16-year-old Palestinian was shot in the chest and the arm with plastic-coated bullets, medics said.*The teenager was also taken to the Ramallah Governmental Hospital and is in a stable condition."

Israeli settlers walk in an illegal outpost in the West Bank. (Reuters/Ronen Zvulun, File)

(An illegal outpost is an illegal settlement illegal under both intl law and Israeli law, but the IDF and Israeli government allow the illegal outposts to flourish and grow)

So what. This is from the patch of dingleberries you post here in order to garner attention.

What issue are you trying to set forth, sherriGaga?

Hatred of Jews.

 

[sealadaigh]

well...this might be a start at answering one of the off topic issues in this thread...

The 1922 census of Palestine was the first census carried out by the authorities of the British Mandate of Palestine, on 23 October 1922.[1]

"The reported population was 757,182, including the military and persons of foreign nationality. The division into religious groups was 590,390 Muslims, 83,694 Jews, 73,024 Christians, 7,028 Druze, 1,454 Hindus, 808 Sikhs, 265 Bahais, 156 Metawalis, and 163 Samaritans."

1922 census of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The 1931 census of Palestine was the second census carried out by the authorities of the British Mandate of Palestine. It was carried out on 18 November 1931 under the direction of Major E. Mills. The first census had been conducted in 1922. Following the 1931 census, no further census was conducted in Palestine by the British administration.

The total population reported was 1,035,821 (1,033,314 excluding the numbers of H.M. Forces) – an increase of 36.8% since 1922, of which the Jewish population increased by 108.4%.

The population was divided by religion as follows: 759,717 Muslims, 174,610 Jews, 91,398 Christians, 9,148 Druzes, 350 Bahais, 182 Samaritans, and 421 "no religion". A special problem was posed by the nomadic Bedouin of the south, who were reluctant to cooperate. Estimates of each tribe were made by officers of the district administration according to local observation. The total of 759,717 Muslims included 66,553 persons enumerated by this method. The number of foreign British forces stationed in Palestine in 1931 totalled 2,500."

1931 census of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

we can see that the immigration of jewish people from europe after WWI and the balfour declaration is beginning to take place, but it increased dramatically in the '40s and '50s. most of the indigenous jews lived in or near al-quds.

 

[toastman]

Demographics change over time

 

[sealadaigh]

Demographics change over time

they do, and usually there are explanations for those changes.

the explanation as to why jews, who were a significant minority, becoming a majority and for the palestinians, who were a significant majority to becoming a minority, is european immigration, is the expulsion and marginalising of the indigenous palestinian population, and the refusal of those european immigrants to allow the palestinians, who where fleeing a war zone, (for whatever reason, which has no bearing on the matter) their legal right to return.

 

[toastman]

Demographics change over time

they do, and usually there are explanations for those changes.

the explanation as to why jews, who were a significant minority, becoming a majority and for the palestinians, who were a significant majority to becoming a minority, is european immigration, is the expulsion and marginalising of the indigenous palestinian population, and the refusal of those european immigrants to allow the palestinians, who where fleeing a war zone, (for whatever reason, which has no bearing on the matter) their legal right to return.

Only some Palestinians were expelled and it was mainly during the 1948-1949 civil war in Mandatory Palestine. Jewish communities were attacked by Arabs and Arab communities were attacked by Jews.
I guess the main reason for the increase in Jews was they had nowhere else to go after the Holocaust. Israel was the only country they wouldnt face persecution

 

[AVG-JOE]

The settlers are the Arabs.

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From the first fucking paragraph...

RAMALLAH (Ma'an) -- Israeli settlers on Thursday assaulted a 60-year-old Palestinian judge as he worked on his land near Ramallah, sparking violent clashes between Palestinians and Israeli forces.

Settlers assault 60-year-old Palestinian judge | Maan News Agency

Emphasis mine.



I don't know which is sadder... the comment or the thanks it got.

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[AVG-JOE]

Israel needs to end the occupation by finding a way to free the Palestinians back to their indigenous himelands instead of keeping them captives in Israel with peace offerings, a security fence & land concessions.

Hime-lands?

That's either the worst typo or the funniest pun I've ever seen.

 

[AVG-JOE]

What sort of source is "palestinefacts.org"? It sounds like propaganda more than facts and gives absolutely no information as to who they are.

Other than that....you seem to buy into the "pro-Israeli" side puts forth that it was an empty land when the Zionists came.

It wasn't.

There were indiginous people and they were not just Jews.

There were Arab immigrants and Jewish immigrants.

The settlers represent the latest wave of immigrants invading occupied territory that does not belong (under international law) to them.

The Arabs got their countries.... Now the Jews have theirs...You're welcome again.

You're very welcoming, it's a pity you aren't as welcoming or receptive to facts.

The Jews have a country.

It's called Israel. No one is arguing their right to a country.

Countries are not determined by vague ethnic groups like "Arabs". Otherwise, we would only need one European country. One African country. You get it right?

So, we agree that the Jews have their country. Now lets move to the illegally held occupied territory and the question of "settlers" invading it.

That belongs to the Palestinians.

Eventually, good fences will make good neighbors... the sooner the better.

 

[Billo_Really]

Only some Palestinians were expelled and it was mainly during the 1948-1949 civil war in Mandatory Palestine.

You call over 750,000 some?

Jewish communities were attacked by Arabs and Arab communities were attacked by Jews.

It's worth noting major violence between the two groups didn't take place until after the zionist migration began at the turn of the century.

According to the Shaw Commission in 1929:

"In less than 10 years three serious attacks have been made by Arabs on Jews. For 80 years before the first of these attacks there is no recorded instance of any similar incidents. It is obvious then that the relations between the two races during the past decade must have differed in some material respect from those which previously obtained. Of this we found ample evidence. The reports of the Military Court and of the local Commission which, in 1920 and in 1921 respectively, enquired into the disturbances of those years, drew attention to the change in the attitude of the Arab population towards the Jews in Palestine. This was borne out by the evidence tendered during our inquiry when representatives of all parties told us that before the War the Jews and Arabs lived side by side if not in amity, at least with tolerance, a quality which to-day is almost unknown in Palestine"

If zionist intentions were not to dispossess the land from the indigenous population of arabs, the violence wouldn't have turned into an actual war.

I guess the main reason for the increase in Jews was they had nowhere else to go after the Holocaust. Israel was the only country they wouldnt face persecution

That's understandable and I'm sure no one would fault them that. The problem arises when they migrated into the area with the intention of persecuting the native population of non-jews.

The King-Crane Commission had reported that Jewish colonists were planning a radical transformation of Palestine:

"The fact came out repeatedly in the Commission's conference with Jewish representatives, that the Zionists looked forward to a practically complete dispossession of the present non-Jewish inhabitants of Palestine..."​

That's what started all the violence.

 

[Billo_Really]

They came from the surrounding Arab areas. As the Zionist Jews built ,the Arabs came. Then the Europeans created countries for the Arabs, but left out the Jews. all Arab countries, no Jewish country, until they fought for it You're welcome

Wrong!

At the turn of the century, jews amounted to only 10% of a population of over 500,000 inhabitants.

 

[Billo_Really]

Why is it, the pro-Israeli crowd doesn't want to discuss the violent attack on a 60 year old man working on his farm?

 

[toastman]

Only some Palestinians were expelled and it was mainly during the 1948-1949 civil war in Mandatory Palestine.

You call over 750,000 some?

Jewish communities were attacked by Arabs and Arab communities were attacked by Jews.

It's worth noting major violence between the two groups didn't take place until after the zionist migration began at the turn of the century.

According to the Shaw Commission in 1929:

If zionist intentions were not to dispossess the land from the indigenous population of arabs, the violence wouldn't have turned into an actual war.

I guess the main reason for the increase in Jews was they had nowhere else to go after the Holocaust. Israel was the only country they wouldnt face persecution

That's understandable and I'm sure no one would fault them that. The problem arises when they migrated into the area with the intention of persecuting the native population of non-jews.

The King-Crane Commission had reported that Jewish colonists were planning a radical transformation of Palestine:

"The fact came out repeatedly in the Commission's conference with Jewish representatives, that the Zionists looked forward to a practically complete dispossession of the present non-Jewish inhabitants of Palestine..."​

That's what started all the violence.

So now your claiming 750 ooo were expelled by the Jews??? YOu are a massive liar !

 

[toastman]

Why is it, the pro-Israeli crowd doesn't want to discuss the violent attack on a 60 year old man working on his farm?

What's there to discuss ??