Not2BSubjugated
Callous Individualist
...a Christian Ideology based White Power group who goes into a Jewish bakery and request a cake in the shape a HHH and a burning cross? If they Jew denied baking this cake, since it's deeply against their religious faith?
Should the Jewish baker be forced to bake such a cake.
I mean few people argued the Baker was wrong when he refused to bake the cake "Happy Birthday Adolf Hitler!"
Adolf Hitler denied his birthday cake - Telegraph
Yet in AZ one can not conceive that a religious baker has any argument in not baking a cake for a gay marriage.
The vast vast majority of Christian bakers that don't want any part of a gay marriage ceremony would be fine selling to gays for any other occasion.
I personally disagree with a baker not making money for a gay marriage ceremony, but I can see their argument.
Go back to the birthday cake for Adolf Hitler, I think that baker was in the right and so did most people!
1. Are you really claiming to speak for the "vast vast majority" of Christian bakers? What are you basing that claim on?
2. I'm Jewish, and I'm not aware of any tenet of my faith that demands I refuse to serve White Supremacists.
3. Any business is able to refuse to serve any customer they want. They are just not allowed to openly do it for discriminatory reasons. Any Christian baker that doesn't want to bake a cake for a Gay Wedding can refuse to do so, they just aren't allowed to berate the customers with why they aren't doing it. There wouldn't be any lawsuits if the bakers just said "Sorry, we can't accept any more orders now", rather than "We won't cause you're gay".
On number 3. . . You're okay with someone operating their business as they wish to in terms of who they do business with, which is awesome in my opinion. Totally agree with you there. However, where you seem to have a problem, is when they do so in conjunction with an exercise of their 1st Amendment right to free speech. You can discriminate, you're just not allowed to be honest about it or say what's going on.
This is retarded for two reasons. Number 1, limiting free speech on the grounds of people taking offense sets one of the most dangerous precedents possible: If someone -really- doesn't like what you're saying, you shouldn't be allowed to say it. If you can't see where that precedent could lead to some HOLY SHIT oppression, you don't chase logic too effectively.
Number 2, a rose by any other name. WHat kind of pussified, marshmallow psyches are we possessed of in this country when we can only stomach our actions if we lie to ourselves about their motives? What kind of self-diluted basket-case even acts in a manner that's only morally acceptable to themselves if they bullshit about what they're actually doing?
Let's just be honest. Mainstream morality says discriminating against someone is generally wrong. Just because that morality is mainstream, however, doesn't mean that it's correct. Other moral codes, which exist in this country in large number, allow for discrimination. If your morals aren't mainstream, fuck it. Own 'em. Be loud and proud about what you believe to be right and tell everybody else to fuck off and apply their morals to their -own- fuckin businesses.