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Davey Johnson?The OP is talking shit about the Japanese leagues... so it reminds me of a trivia question. Name the player that was a team mate at one time of both Home run king Hank Aaron and Japanese Home run king Sadaharu Oh.
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Davey Johnson?The OP is talking shit about the Japanese leagues... so it reminds me of a trivia question. Name the player that was a team mate at one time of both Home run king Hank Aaron and Japanese Home run king Sadaharu Oh.
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3,000 hits, moron.Brock's metrics are great. ShootSpeeders simply does not understand that stats that surround the game today.
I bet SS thinks Buster Posey is read for the HOF right now. He is not.
OK - what modern stats did brock do well at.?
It ain't a good percentage for a shortstop, either.If you weren't ignorrant about baseball, you would understand that a .977 fielding % is not bad for a SS and that Trammell was an altogether more valuable player than Pinson. This isn't fantasy bb we're talking about.Trammell was a SS, so yeah. Outfielders with Pinson's numbers are a dime-a-dozen.Pinson no. These numbers don't get you in:
It's not the Hall of Good
SUMMARY
Career
Wins Above Replacement
A single number that presents the number of wins the player added
to the team above what a replacement player (think AAA or AAAA) would add.
Scale for a single-season: 8+ MVP Quality, 5+ All-Star Quality, 2+ Starter,
0-2 Reserve, < 0 Replacement Level
Developed by Sean Smith of BaseballProjection.com" style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0); margin: 2px 0px; font-size: 0.785714em;">WAR
54.1
AB
9645
R
1365
H
2757
Hits/At Bats
For recent years, leaders need 3.1 PA
per team game played
Bold indicates highest BA using current stats
Gold means awarded title at end of year." style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0); margin: 2px 0px; font-size: 0.785714em;">BA
.286
HR
256
RBI
1169
SB
305
(H + BB + HBP)/(At Bats + BB + HBP + SF)
For recent years, leaders need 3.1 PA
per team game played" style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0); margin: 2px 0px; font-size: 0.785714em;">OBP
.327
Total Bases/At Bats or
(1B + 2*2B + 3*3B + 4*HR)/AB
For recent years, leaders need 3.1 PA
per team game played" style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0); margin: 2px 0px; font-size: 0.785714em;">SLG
.442
On-Base + Slugging Percentages
For recent years, leaders need 3.1 PA
per team game played" style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0); margin: 2px 0px; font-size: 0.785714em;">OPS
.769
OPS+
100*[OBP/lg OBP + SLG/lg SLG - 1]
Adjusted to the player’s ballpark(s)" style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0); margin: 2px 0px; font-size: 0.785714em;">OPS+
111
Sadly there are people that are making it in without great stats. Bill Mazeroski for example. Alan Trammell just got in and his stats aren't all that either.
Yes Trammell was a SS but he still didn't even have great stats that he should have. He had a career .977 fielding, most walks he had in a season was 69, only had 236 stolen bases... and worse of all was caught stealing 109 times! He was barely over 50% successful stealing.
They're still miles ahead of the loathsome Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, which is a disgrace. At least the BB HoF looks at some statistics.I'm saying that the Hall of Fame is putting in some people that really aren't THAT great.
World Series titles are irrelevant.Brock's metrics are great. ShootSpeeders simply does not understand that stats that surround the game today.Brock was a mediocre field, a superb hitter, and a tremendous base stealer.
3000 hits, 900 steals, .293 average: yeah, he is HOF worthy
Brock a superb hitter???!!!! He was scarcely better than average. You must be 30 years behind the times and still judge hitters by BA. And he was a lousy fielder and his base stealing percentage was a mediocre 75%. He really wasn't good at anything .
I remember Lou Brock
He was a presence on the field. Beyond his stats, he drove pitchers nuts once he got on base. Threw off their rhythm, made them continually throw to first, made the players around him better
Bill James does not account for that
I bet SS thinks Buster Posey is read for the HOF right now. He is not.
Buster Posey is a unanimous first ballot superb all-around player with 3 WS titles in 5 years. Who was better?
Like Brock.....when all on the line, they produce. No one cares if Scooter Gennet hits 4 Hr in a May game in last place.
Winning us huge. Posey may be better than Molina in his prime?
4th career, with 897. Couldn't find a percentage.Anyone know what Ty Cobbs percentage was?
Babe Ruth was part Black.A great baseball player.
He should absolutely be in the HOF.
Tell the truth. You're a racist and support ichy because he's not one of those horrible white people you hate so much. If you had your way Babe Ruth would be tossed out of the hall.
List your top 5 hitters. Are you talking strictly batting averages?Suzy does compare well to rose. Both men had good BA and little power. Musial is something else. Far far above either man as a hitter. Stan is one of the top 5 hitters of all time.Notwithstanding......Suzuki is one of the greatest hitters to pick up a bat. His stats compare to greats such as Pete Rose and Stan Musial.
The OP is talking shit about the Japanese leagues...
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Babe Ruth was part Black.Tell the truth. You're a racist and support ichy because he's not one of those horrible white people you hate so much. If you had your way Babe Ruth would be tossed out of the hall.
The OP is talking shit about the Japanese leagues...
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Ichiro's stats in japan were much much better than here in america. Jap ball is double A ball.
List your top 5 hitters. Are you talking strictly batting averages?Suzy does compare well to rose. Both men had good BA and little power. Musial is something else. Far far above either man as a hitter. Stan is one of the top 5 hitters of all time.
Japan has much more indoor stadiums and almost every one f them have artificial turf which helps guys like Ichrio that are slap hitters.
500+ stolen bases, 10 years of .300+ average, 10x All-Star, 10x Golden Glove, 1 MVP, most hits in a single season, 10 years of 200+ hits.....He probably will since he'll get the racist vote that awards all non-whites bonus points, but he's not that good. He has 3000 hits and a good BA but his walk numbers and HR numbers are very low. Just a slightly better than average hitter really. A good outfielder and a good base runner.
He's 44 now and had another poor year in 2017 and it's time to quit though he says he wants to play in 2018!!. I say no HOF for the little nip.
I know you hate him because he's not white, but I'd say he deserves some recognition.
The only argument against is the old "compiler" argument, and I have never been a fan of it.
One also has to remember that he was one of the best fielders as well in his prime.
3000 hits seals the deal for me.
He probably will since he'll get the racist vote that awards all non-whites bonus points, but he's not that good. He has 3000 hits and a good BA but his walk numbers and HR numbers are very low. Just a slightly better than average hitter really. A good outfielder and a good base runner.
He's 44 now and had another poor year in 2017 and it's time to quit though he says he wants to play in 2018!!. I say no HOF for the little nip.
30 out of 288 ain't good?It ain't a good percentage for a shortstop, either.If you weren't ignorrant about baseball, you would understand that a .977 fielding % is not bad for a SS and that Trammell was an altogether more valuable player than Pinson. This isn't fantasy bb we're talking about.Trammell was a SS, so yeah. Outfielders with Pinson's numbers are a dime-a-dozen.Pinson no. These numbers don't get you in:
It's not the Hall of Good
SUMMARY
Career
Wins Above Replacement
A single number that presents the number of wins the player added
to the team above what a replacement player (think AAA or AAAA) would add.
Scale for a single-season: 8+ MVP Quality, 5+ All-Star Quality, 2+ Starter,
0-2 Reserve, < 0 Replacement Level
Developed by Sean Smith of BaseballProjection.com" style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0); margin: 2px 0px; font-size: 0.785714em;">WAR
54.1
AB
9645
R
1365
H
2757
Hits/At Bats
For recent years, leaders need 3.1 PA
per team game played
Bold indicates highest BA using current stats
Gold means awarded title at end of year." style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0); margin: 2px 0px; font-size: 0.785714em;">BA
.286
HR
256
RBI
1169
SB
305
(H + BB + HBP)/(At Bats + BB + HBP + SF)
For recent years, leaders need 3.1 PA
per team game played" style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0); margin: 2px 0px; font-size: 0.785714em;">OBP
.327
Total Bases/At Bats or
(1B + 2*2B + 3*3B + 4*HR)/AB
For recent years, leaders need 3.1 PA
per team game played" style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0); margin: 2px 0px; font-size: 0.785714em;">SLG
.442
On-Base + Slugging Percentages
For recent years, leaders need 3.1 PA
per team game played" style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0); margin: 2px 0px; font-size: 0.785714em;">OPS
.769
OPS+
100*[OBP/lg OBP + SLG/lg SLG - 1]
Adjusted to the player’s ballpark(s)" style="color: rgb(153, 0, 0); margin: 2px 0px; font-size: 0.785714em;">OPS+
111
Sadly there are people that are making it in without great stats. Bill Mazeroski for example. Alan Trammell just got in and his stats aren't all that either.
Yes Trammell was a SS but he still didn't even have great stats that he should have. He had a career .977 fielding, most walks he had in a season was 69, only had 236 stolen bases... and worse of all was caught stealing 109 times! He was barely over 50% successful stealing.
He's tied for 30th all-time.
Career Leaders & Records for Fielding % as SS | Baseball-Reference.com
They're still miles ahead of the loathsome Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, which is a disgrace. At least the BB HoF looks at some statistics.I'm saying that the Hall of Fame is putting in some people that really aren't THAT great.
This year Dire Fucking Straights is being inducted on the strength of 'Sultans of Swing' and 'Walk of Life'. Meanwhile, Jethro Tull and Kansas are overlooked again.
Jan Wenner sucks.
