Should LGBT people be allowed to adopt kids?

[ding]

He got "love your neighbor" right, I'm glad to say, however. So those are the parts that we applaud - but not unscientific stuff like "angels", nor unethical stuff like Jesus accepting slavery, etc.:
In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn’t know they were doing anything wrong.
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.” (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

1. The Bible did not condone slavery.
2. Slavery during this time was indentured servitude. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families.
3. Both the OT and NT expressly forbid forced slavery. The penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16)
4. Indentured servants were treated pretty bad back in those days. Mosaic Law measurably raised the standards of treatment heads and shoulders above their contemporaries of the day.

 

[aris2chat]

Can you say that a belief system that says "no slavery" like ours does is more loving that a belief system that says the following?
"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

It would sure seem so, ding.

How the Bible was Used to Justify Slavery and White Supremacy
www.patheos.com/.../how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery-and-white-supremacy...
Sep 22, 2016 - In my Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism course today, we'll be talking about the history of slavery and segregation in AmericanChristianity.
Christianity as a Justification for Slavery - History Engine: Tools for ...
History Engine: Tools for Collaborative Education and Research | Episodes
In the Old Testament, God and the Patriarchs approve. As for the New Testament, Jesus and the Apostles show that slavery is permissible. ... As religion ran deep through slavery, white Christian slaveholders argued thatslavery was a necessary evil because it would control the sinful, less humane, black race.
Why Did So Many Christians Support Slavery? | Christian History
www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/.../why-christians-should-support-slavery.html
Many southern Christians felt that slavery, in one Baptist minister's words, “stands as an institution of God.” Here are some common arguments made by ...
The Religious Defense of American Slavery Before ... - kingscollege.net
https://www.kingscollege.net/.../The religious justification of slavery ...
by LR Morrison - ‎Cited by 8 - ‎Related articles
The South's use of the Bible to defend slavery and the master-slaverelationship .... justification found in Mosaic law, the argument of divine sanction. Throughout.
Biblical Verses used by Slave Masters to Justify Slavery
www.reunionblackfamily.com/.../7183511-biblical-verses-used-by-slave-masters-to-j...
May 26, 2011 - Based upon these isolated verses, slaveowners claimed that the Bible supported slavery and taught slaves to be obedient to their masters.

Really really great post - showing the true nature of Christianity.

So clearly you are incapable of discussing this like an adult.

1. The Bible did not condone slavery.
2. Slavery during this time was indentured servitude. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families.
3. Both the OT and NT expressly forbid forced slavery. The penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16)
4. Indentured servants were treated pretty bad back in those days. Mosaic Law measurably raised the standards of treatment heads and shoulders above their contemporaries of the day.

So, you are quite ignorant on this subject or you are being intentionally mendacious. Either way you have shown yourself to be someone whose goal is to subordinate religion for political purposes. Just like socialists have done throughout history.

It have used by people on both sides of the issue

They miss the message of the whole books and the whole bible

Why don't you tell me what the message is then?

be good to other, don't let you ego rule you, learn to love

 

[ding]

In our belief system our barometer is TODAY'S morality - we don't care that, say, "Mohammad raised, at the time, the rights of women" (he did)...instead we care that TODAY the Qur'an says to beat women in Q4:34. Same thing with the Bible - it doesn't matter if they raised the level from, say, "super-barbaric" to only "barbaric". We expect more from an all-knowing, all-powerful, creator god of everything to know right from wrong forever.

So now I am going to have to correct you on the treatment of women?

It's like you are running the militant atheist playbook.

 

[ding]

How the Bible was Used to Justify Slavery and White Supremacy
www.patheos.com/.../how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery-and-white-supremacy...
Sep 22, 2016 - In my Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism course today, we'll be talking about the history of slavery and segregation in AmericanChristianity.
Christianity as a Justification for Slavery - History Engine: Tools for ...
History Engine: Tools for Collaborative Education and Research | Episodes
In the Old Testament, God and the Patriarchs approve. As for the New Testament, Jesus and the Apostles show that slavery is permissible. ... As religion ran deep through slavery, white Christian slaveholders argued thatslavery was a necessary evil because it would control the sinful, less humane, black race.
Why Did So Many Christians Support Slavery? | Christian History
www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/.../why-christians-should-support-slavery.html
Many southern Christians felt that slavery, in one Baptist minister's words, “stands as an institution of God.” Here are some common arguments made by ...
The Religious Defense of American Slavery Before ... - kingscollege.net
https://www.kingscollege.net/.../The religious justification of slavery ...
by LR Morrison - ‎Cited by 8 - ‎Related articles
The South's use of the Bible to defend slavery and the master-slaverelationship .... justification found in Mosaic law, the argument of divine sanction. Throughout.
Biblical Verses used by Slave Masters to Justify Slavery
www.reunionblackfamily.com/.../7183511-biblical-verses-used-by-slave-masters-to-j...
May 26, 2011 - Based upon these isolated verses, slaveowners claimed that the Bible supported slavery and taught slaves to be obedient to their masters.

Really really great post - showing the true nature of Christianity.

So clearly you are incapable of discussing this like an adult.

1. The Bible did not condone slavery.
2. Slavery during this time was indentured servitude. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families.
3. Both the OT and NT expressly forbid forced slavery. The penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16)
4. Indentured servants were treated pretty bad back in those days. Mosaic Law measurably raised the standards of treatment heads and shoulders above their contemporaries of the day.

So, you are quite ignorant on this subject or you are being intentionally mendacious. Either way you have shown yourself to be someone whose goal is to subordinate religion for political purposes. Just like socialists have done throughout history.

It have used by people on both sides of the issue

They miss the message of the whole books and the whole bible

Why don't you tell me what the message is then?

be good to other, don't let you ego rule you, learn to love

Is that it?

 

[Joy4Uall]

This is another straw-man of yours. You are being mendacious.

Can you say that a belief system that says "no slavery" like ours does is more loving that a belief system that says the following?
"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

It would sure seem so, ding.

How the Bible was Used to Justify Slavery and White Supremacy
www.patheos.com/.../how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery-and-white-supremacy...
Sep 22, 2016 - In my Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism course today, we'll be talking about the history of slavery and segregation in AmericanChristianity.
Christianity as a Justification for Slavery - History Engine: Tools for ...
History Engine: Tools for Collaborative Education and Research | Episodes
In the Old Testament, God and the Patriarchs approve. As for the New Testament, Jesus and the Apostles show that slavery is permissible. ... As religion ran deep through slavery, white Christian slaveholders argued thatslavery was a necessary evil because it would control the sinful, less humane, black race.
Why Did So Many Christians Support Slavery? | Christian History
www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/.../why-christians-should-support-slavery.html
Many southern Christians felt that slavery, in one Baptist minister's words, “stands as an institution of God.” Here are some common arguments made by ...
The Religious Defense of American Slavery Before ... - kingscollege.net
https://www.kingscollege.net/.../The religious justification of slavery ...
by LR Morrison - ‎Cited by 8 - ‎Related articles
The South's use of the Bible to defend slavery and the master-slaverelationship .... justification found in Mosaic law, the argument of divine sanction. Throughout.
Biblical Verses used by Slave Masters to Justify Slavery
www.reunionblackfamily.com/.../7183511-biblical-verses-used-by-slave-masters-to-j...
May 26, 2011 - Based upon these isolated verses, slaveowners claimed that the Bible supported slavery and taught slaves to be obedient to their masters.

Really really great post - showing the true nature of Christianity.

So clearly you are incapable of discussing this like an adult.

1. The Bible did not condone slavery.
2. Slavery during this time was indentured servitude. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families.
3. Both the OT and NT expressly forbid forced slavery. The penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16)
4. Indentured servants were treated pretty bad back in those days. Mosaic Law measurably raised the standards of treatment heads and shoulders above their contemporaries of the day.

So, you are quite ignorant on this subject or you are being intentionally mendacious. Either way you have shown yourself to be someone whose goal is to subordinate religion for political purposes. Just like socialists have done throughout history.

It have used by people on both sides of the issue

They miss the message of the whole books and the whole bible

The message seems to be a mixed message: one of love, and one of fear....the word "fear" is listed many many times as this search shows: BibleGateway - : fear

Our belief system does look for the texts of the top 10 religions for words of wisdom on love, but doesn't strive to bring forward the parts that teach fear. People deserve a fear-free belief system. We don't believe that an all-powerful and all-knowing prophet would have to resort to fear - just like a good parent can move beyond instilling fear in their children. Love is the key. I like it when Christians focus on the love of their beliefs and not the fear.

 

[ding]

Can you say that a belief system that says "no slavery" like ours does is more loving that a belief system that says the following?
"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

It would sure seem so, ding.

How the Bible was Used to Justify Slavery and White Supremacy
www.patheos.com/.../how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery-and-white-supremacy...
Sep 22, 2016 - In my Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism course today, we'll be talking about the history of slavery and segregation in AmericanChristianity.
Christianity as a Justification for Slavery - History Engine: Tools for ...
History Engine: Tools for Collaborative Education and Research | Episodes
In the Old Testament, God and the Patriarchs approve. As for the New Testament, Jesus and the Apostles show that slavery is permissible. ... As religion ran deep through slavery, white Christian slaveholders argued thatslavery was a necessary evil because it would control the sinful, less humane, black race.
Why Did So Many Christians Support Slavery? | Christian History
www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/.../why-christians-should-support-slavery.html
Many southern Christians felt that slavery, in one Baptist minister's words, “stands as an institution of God.” Here are some common arguments made by ...
The Religious Defense of American Slavery Before ... - kingscollege.net
https://www.kingscollege.net/.../The religious justification of slavery ...
by LR Morrison - ‎Cited by 8 - ‎Related articles
The South's use of the Bible to defend slavery and the master-slaverelationship .... justification found in Mosaic law, the argument of divine sanction. Throughout.
Biblical Verses used by Slave Masters to Justify Slavery
www.reunionblackfamily.com/.../7183511-biblical-verses-used-by-slave-masters-to-j...
May 26, 2011 - Based upon these isolated verses, slaveowners claimed that the Bible supported slavery and taught slaves to be obedient to their masters.

Really really great post - showing the true nature of Christianity.

So clearly you are incapable of discussing this like an adult.

1. The Bible did not condone slavery.
2. Slavery during this time was indentured servitude. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families.
3. Both the OT and NT expressly forbid forced slavery. The penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16)
4. Indentured servants were treated pretty bad back in those days. Mosaic Law measurably raised the standards of treatment heads and shoulders above their contemporaries of the day.

So, you are quite ignorant on this subject or you are being intentionally mendacious. Either way you have shown yourself to be someone whose goal is to subordinate religion for political purposes. Just like socialists have done throughout history.

It have used by people on both sides of the issue

They miss the message of the whole books and the whole bible

The message seems to be a mixed message: one of love, and one of fear....the word "fear" is listed many many times as this search shows: BibleGateway - : fear

Our belief system does look for the texts of the top 10 religions for words of wisdom on love, but doesn't strive to bring forward the parts that teach fear. People deserve a fear-free belief system. We don't believe that an all-powerful and all-knowing prophet would have to resort to fear - just like a good parent can move beyond instilling fear in their children. Love is the key. I like it when Christians focus on the love of their beliefs and not the fear.

I wouldn't expect you to understand a religion that is not your own. I would just expect you to not attack it. The fact that you do tells a lot about your intentions.

 

[Joy4Uall]

In our belief system our barometer is TODAY'S morality - we don't care that, say, "Mohammad raised, at the time, the rights of women" (he did)...instead we care that TODAY the Qur'an says to beat women in Q4:34. Same thing with the Bible - it doesn't matter if they raised the level from, say, "super-barbaric" to only "barbaric". We expect more from an all-knowing, all-powerful, creator god of everything to know right from wrong forever.

So now I am going to have to correct you on the treatment of women?

It's like you are running the militant atheist playbook.

The Bible and Qur'an are about equal on treatment of women, and they don't contribute much to Scientific Humanism because they treat women worse that we treat them, of course. One example of (a maybe well-intended, I don't know) verse would be in the NT (and Jesus in 2000 years never corrected this, so we are hesitant to bring Jesus' all-knowing divinity" forward):
"As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church” - First Corinthians 14:33-35“(ESV).

A better way than NT/Jesus/Qur'an would be the Scientific Humanist way: "love women as equals", and "don't be a misogynist", and "no FGM".
I think we can lead the way in women's rights, gay rights, anti-racism, etc. Christians have some good ideas to tell us, as well.

 

[Joy4Uall]

How the Bible was Used to Justify Slavery and White Supremacy
www.patheos.com/.../how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery-and-white-supremacy...
Sep 22, 2016 - In my Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism course today, we'll be talking about the history of slavery and segregation in AmericanChristianity.
Christianity as a Justification for Slavery - History Engine: Tools for ...
History Engine: Tools for Collaborative Education and Research | Episodes
In the Old Testament, God and the Patriarchs approve. As for the New Testament, Jesus and the Apostles show that slavery is permissible. ... As religion ran deep through slavery, white Christian slaveholders argued thatslavery was a necessary evil because it would control the sinful, less humane, black race.
Why Did So Many Christians Support Slavery? | Christian History
www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/.../why-christians-should-support-slavery.html
Many southern Christians felt that slavery, in one Baptist minister's words, “stands as an institution of God.” Here are some common arguments made by ...
The Religious Defense of American Slavery Before ... - kingscollege.net
https://www.kingscollege.net/.../The religious justification of slavery ...
by LR Morrison - ‎Cited by 8 - ‎Related articles
The South's use of the Bible to defend slavery and the master-slaverelationship .... justification found in Mosaic law, the argument of divine sanction. Throughout.
Biblical Verses used by Slave Masters to Justify Slavery
www.reunionblackfamily.com/.../7183511-biblical-verses-used-by-slave-masters-to-j...
May 26, 2011 - Based upon these isolated verses, slaveowners claimed that the Bible supported slavery and taught slaves to be obedient to their masters.

Really really great post - showing the true nature of Christianity.

So clearly you are incapable of discussing this like an adult.

1. The Bible did not condone slavery.
2. Slavery during this time was indentured servitude. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families.
3. Both the OT and NT expressly forbid forced slavery. The penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16)
4. Indentured servants were treated pretty bad back in those days. Mosaic Law measurably raised the standards of treatment heads and shoulders above their contemporaries of the day.

So, you are quite ignorant on this subject or you are being intentionally mendacious. Either way you have shown yourself to be someone whose goal is to subordinate religion for political purposes. Just like socialists have done throughout history.

It have used by people on both sides of the issue

They miss the message of the whole books and the whole bible

The message seems to be a mixed message: one of love, and one of fear....the word "fear" is listed many many times as this search shows: BibleGateway - : fear

Our belief system does look for the texts of the top 10 religions for words of wisdom on love, but doesn't strive to bring forward the parts that teach fear. People deserve a fear-free belief system. We don't believe that an all-powerful and all-knowing prophet would have to resort to fear - just like a good parent can move beyond instilling fear in their children. Love is the key. I like it when Christians focus on the love of their beliefs and not the fear.

I wouldn't expect you to understand a religion that is not your own. I would just expect you to not attack it. The fact that you do tells a lot about your intentions.

It would have been GOOD if Nazism (not saying Christians are Nazis, but trying to make a point) had been "attacked" in 1938!

 

[Joy4Uall]

Absolutely none, because "scientific humanism" is a pipe dream of an atheistic douche and has aspirations to be better than "secular humanism" but falls flat on its silly face.

It is the religion of socialists and militant atheists.

Again, I don't like socialism.
And "militant" would sort of imply someone who would force people to believe his/her point of view (like Jesus in the after-life - or he sends them to hell), but our 10 "commandments" have FREEDOM as the #1 thing, so of course that's not true.

I hope you don't mind if I think you are lying.
.......
4. Indentured servants were treated pretty bad back in those days. Mosaic Law measurably raised the standards of treatment heads and shoulders above their contemporaries of the day.

In our belief system our barometer is TODAY'S morality - we don't care that, say, "Mohammad raised, at the time, the rights of women" (he did)...instead we care that TODAY the Qur'an says to beat women in Q4:34. Same thing with the Bible - it doesn't matter if they raised the level from, say, "super-barbaric" to only "barbaric". We expect more from an all-knowing, all-powerful, creator god of everything to know right from wrong forever.

"TODAY'S morality" You should be hung by the neck until dead for derp.

Here's YESTERDAY'S morality.....is this the morality that you choose, my friend?
"As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church” - First Corinthians 14:33-35“(ESV).

 

[Joy4Uall]

[QUOTEI ="ding, post: 17050904, member: 59921"].........
I hope you don't mind if I think you are lying.

.......[/QUOTE]
I welcome your feedback - keeps me on my toes.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Yes. I don't feel comfortable with the government dictating who should and should not be allowed to adopt kids.

 

[Joy4Uall]

Can you say that a belief system that says "no slavery" like ours does is more loving that a belief system that says the following?
"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

It would sure seem so, ding.

How the Bible was Used to Justify Slavery and White Supremacy
www.patheos.com/.../how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery-and-white-supremacy...
Sep 22, 2016 - In my Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism course today, we'll be talking about the history of slavery and segregation in AmericanChristianity.
Christianity as a Justification for Slavery - History Engine: Tools for ...
History Engine: Tools for Collaborative Education and Research | Episodes
In the Old Testament, God and the Patriarchs approve. As for the New Testament, Jesus and the Apostles show that slavery is permissible. ... As religion ran deep through slavery, white Christian slaveholders argued thatslavery was a necessary evil because it would control the sinful, less humane, black race.
Why Did So Many Christians Support Slavery? | Christian History
www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/.../why-christians-should-support-slavery.html
Many southern Christians felt that slavery, in one Baptist minister's words, “stands as an institution of God.” Here are some common arguments made by ...
The Religious Defense of American Slavery Before ... - kingscollege.net
https://www.kingscollege.net/.../The religious justification of slavery ...
by LR Morrison - ‎Cited by 8 - ‎Related articles
The South's use of the Bible to defend slavery and the master-slaverelationship .... justification found in Mosaic law, the argument of divine sanction. Throughout.
Biblical Verses used by Slave Masters to Justify Slavery
www.reunionblackfamily.com/.../7183511-biblical-verses-used-by-slave-masters-to-j...
May 26, 2011 - Based upon these isolated verses, slaveowners claimed that the Bible supported slavery and taught slaves to be obedient to their masters.

The Bible didn't condone slavery. Can you show me where the Bible did so?

Ephesians 6:4-6: Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord. Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.

Ephesians 6:5:Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Ephesians 6And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.

Titus 2Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them,

1 Peter 2:18:Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

Which of these verses do you think should be brought forward in the new Scientific Humanist belief system?
We like "love your neighbor", and the Golden Rule, so those are good, but not all Bible verses are good for the world.

Absolutely none, because "scientific humanism" is a pipe dream of an atheistic douche and has aspirations to be better than "secular humanism" but falls flat on its silly face.

What parts do you like about "secular humanism"?

Can you say that a belief system that says "no slavery" like ours does is more loving that a belief system that says the following?
"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

It would sure seem so, ding.

How the Bible was Used to Justify Slavery and White Supremacy
www.patheos.com/.../how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery-and-white-supremacy...
Sep 22, 2016 - In my Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism course today, we'll be talking about the history of slavery and segregation in AmericanChristianity.
Christianity as a Justification for Slavery - History Engine: Tools for ...
History Engine: Tools for Collaborative Education and Research | Episodes
In the Old Testament, God and the Patriarchs approve. As for the New Testament, Jesus and the Apostles show that slavery is permissible. ... As religion ran deep through slavery, white Christian slaveholders argued thatslavery was a necessary evil because it would control the sinful, less humane, black race.
Why Did So Many Christians Support Slavery? | Christian History
www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/.../why-christians-should-support-slavery.html
Many southern Christians felt that slavery, in one Baptist minister's words, “stands as an institution of God.” Here are some common arguments made by ...
The Religious Defense of American Slavery Before ... - kingscollege.net
https://www.kingscollege.net/.../The religious justification of slavery ...
by LR Morrison - ‎Cited by 8 - ‎Related articles
The South's use of the Bible to defend slavery and the master-slaverelationship .... justification found in Mosaic law, the argument of divine sanction. Throughout.
Biblical Verses used by Slave Masters to Justify Slavery
www.reunionblackfamily.com/.../7183511-biblical-verses-used-by-slave-masters-to-j...
May 26, 2011 - Based upon these isolated verses, slaveowners claimed that the Bible supported slavery and taught slaves to be obedient to their masters.

ding might just be a reincarnated Southern Plantation owner! Hehe.

There you go. Thank you for showing your true colors. I knew it wouldn't be too long.

The Bible did not condone slavery. Can you show me where the Bible explicitly condoned slavery?

Saying that a slave can be BEATEN TO DEATH pretty much frickin' condones slavery!!

Which verse says that?

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

Marion, the Scientific Humanist loving thing to do would be to, instead, have texts that say "no slavery". Can we agree on that, or do you believe that it's ok to beat slaves to death?

 

[Joy4Uall]

How the Bible was Used to Justify Slavery and White Supremacy
www.patheos.com/.../how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery-and-white-supremacy...
Sep 22, 2016 - In my Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism course today, we'll be talking about the history of slavery and segregation in AmericanChristianity.
Christianity as a Justification for Slavery - History Engine: Tools for ...
History Engine: Tools for Collaborative Education and Research | Episodes
In the Old Testament, God and the Patriarchs approve. As for the New Testament, Jesus and the Apostles show that slavery is permissible. ... As religion ran deep through slavery, white Christian slaveholders argued thatslavery was a necessary evil because it would control the sinful, less humane, black race.
Why Did So Many Christians Support Slavery? | Christian History
www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/.../why-christians-should-support-slavery.html
Many southern Christians felt that slavery, in one Baptist minister's words, “stands as an institution of God.” Here are some common arguments made by ...
The Religious Defense of American Slavery Before ... - kingscollege.net
https://www.kingscollege.net/.../The religious justification of slavery ...
by LR Morrison - ‎Cited by 8 - ‎Related articles
The South's use of the Bible to defend slavery and the master-slaverelationship .... justification found in Mosaic law, the argument of divine sanction. Throughout.
Biblical Verses used by Slave Masters to Justify Slavery
www.reunionblackfamily.com/.../7183511-biblical-verses-used-by-slave-masters-to-j...
May 26, 2011 - Based upon these isolated verses, slaveowners claimed that the Bible supported slavery and taught slaves to be obedient to their masters.

Really really great post - showing the true nature of Christianity.

So clearly you are incapable of discussing this like an adult.

1. The Bible did not condone slavery.
2. Slavery during this time was indentured servitude. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families.
3. Both the OT and NT expressly forbid forced slavery. The penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16)
4. Indentured servants were treated pretty bad back in those days. Mosaic Law measurably raised the standards of treatment heads and shoulders above their contemporaries of the day.

So, you are quite ignorant on this subject or you are being intentionally mendacious. Either way you have shown yourself to be someone whose goal is to subordinate religion for political purposes. Just like socialists have done throughout history.

It have used by people on both sides of the issue

They miss the message of the whole books and the whole bible

The message seems to be a mixed message: one of love, and one of fear....the word "fear" is listed many many times as this search shows: BibleGateway - : fear

Our belief system does look for the texts of the top 10 religions for words of wisdom on love, but doesn't strive to bring forward the parts that teach fear. People deserve a fear-free belief system. We don't believe that an all-powerful and all-knowing prophet would have to resort to fear - just like a good parent can move beyond instilling fear in their children. Love is the key. I like it when Christians focus on the love of their beliefs and not the fear.

I wouldn't expect you to understand a religion that is not your own. .....

I'm a former Christian.

 

[Joy4Uall]

Yes. I don't feel comfortable with the government dictating who should and should not be allowed to adopt kids.

I applaud you. God/Jesus don't love gays, as the Bible shows of course, but you appear to. I admire that.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Yes. I don't feel comfortable with the government dictating who should and should not be allowed to adopt kids.

I applaud you. God/Jesus don't love gays, as the Bible shows of course, but you appear to. I admire that.

You seriously don't want to open that can of worms. You'd best just assume I agree with you and move on.

 

[aris2chat]

Really really great post - showing the true nature of Christianity.

So clearly you are incapable of discussing this like an adult.

1. The Bible did not condone slavery.
2. Slavery during this time was indentured servitude. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families.
3. Both the OT and NT expressly forbid forced slavery. The penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16)
4. Indentured servants were treated pretty bad back in those days. Mosaic Law measurably raised the standards of treatment heads and shoulders above their contemporaries of the day.

So, you are quite ignorant on this subject or you are being intentionally mendacious. Either way you have shown yourself to be someone whose goal is to subordinate religion for political purposes. Just like socialists have done throughout history.

It have used by people on both sides of the issue

They miss the message of the whole books and the whole bible

The message seems to be a mixed message: one of love, and one of fear....the word "fear" is listed many many times as this search shows: BibleGateway - : fear

Our belief system does look for the texts of the top 10 religions for words of wisdom on love, but doesn't strive to bring forward the parts that teach fear. People deserve a fear-free belief system. We don't believe that an all-powerful and all-knowing prophet would have to resort to fear - just like a good parent can move beyond instilling fear in their children. Love is the key. I like it when Christians focus on the love of their beliefs and not the fear.

I wouldn't expect you to understand a religion that is not your own. .....

I'm a former Christian.

former to what now?

 

[Marion Morrison]

How the Bible was Used to Justify Slavery and White Supremacy
www.patheos.com/.../how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery-and-white-supremacy...
Sep 22, 2016 - In my Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism course today, we'll be talking about the history of slavery and segregation in AmericanChristianity.
Christianity as a Justification for Slavery - History Engine: Tools for ...
History Engine: Tools for Collaborative Education and Research | Episodes
In the Old Testament, God and the Patriarchs approve. As for the New Testament, Jesus and the Apostles show that slavery is permissible. ... As religion ran deep through slavery, white Christian slaveholders argued thatslavery was a necessary evil because it would control the sinful, less humane, black race.
Why Did So Many Christians Support Slavery? | Christian History
www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/.../why-christians-should-support-slavery.html
Many southern Christians felt that slavery, in one Baptist minister's words, “stands as an institution of God.” Here are some common arguments made by ...
The Religious Defense of American Slavery Before ... - kingscollege.net
https://www.kingscollege.net/.../The religious justification of slavery ...
by LR Morrison - ‎Cited by 8 - ‎Related articles
The South's use of the Bible to defend slavery and the master-slaverelationship .... justification found in Mosaic law, the argument of divine sanction. Throughout.
Biblical Verses used by Slave Masters to Justify Slavery
www.reunionblackfamily.com/.../7183511-biblical-verses-used-by-slave-masters-to-j...
May 26, 2011 - Based upon these isolated verses, slaveowners claimed that the Bible supported slavery and taught slaves to be obedient to their masters.

The Bible didn't condone slavery. Can you show me where the Bible did so?

Ephesians 6:4-6: Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord. Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.

Ephesians 6:5:Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Ephesians 6And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.

Titus 2Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them,

1 Peter 2:18:Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

Which of these verses do you think should be brought forward in the new Scientific Humanist belief system?
We like "love your neighbor", and the Golden Rule, so those are good, but not all Bible verses are good for the world.

Absolutely none, because "scientific humanism" is a pipe dream of an atheistic douche and has aspirations to be better than "secular humanism" but falls flat on its silly face.

What parts do you like about "secular humanism"?

How the Bible was Used to Justify Slavery and White Supremacy
www.patheos.com/.../how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery-and-white-supremacy...
Sep 22, 2016 - In my Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism course today, we'll be talking about the history of slavery and segregation in AmericanChristianity.
Christianity as a Justification for Slavery - History Engine: Tools for ...
History Engine: Tools for Collaborative Education and Research | Episodes
In the Old Testament, God and the Patriarchs approve. As for the New Testament, Jesus and the Apostles show that slavery is permissible. ... As religion ran deep through slavery, white Christian slaveholders argued thatslavery was a necessary evil because it would control the sinful, less humane, black race.
Why Did So Many Christians Support Slavery? | Christian History
www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/.../why-christians-should-support-slavery.html
Many southern Christians felt that slavery, in one Baptist minister's words, “stands as an institution of God.” Here are some common arguments made by ...
The Religious Defense of American Slavery Before ... - kingscollege.net
https://www.kingscollege.net/.../The religious justification of slavery ...
by LR Morrison - ‎Cited by 8 - ‎Related articles
The South's use of the Bible to defend slavery and the master-slaverelationship .... justification found in Mosaic law, the argument of divine sanction. Throughout.
Biblical Verses used by Slave Masters to Justify Slavery
www.reunionblackfamily.com/.../7183511-biblical-verses-used-by-slave-masters-to-j...
May 26, 2011 - Based upon these isolated verses, slaveowners claimed that the Bible supported slavery and taught slaves to be obedient to their masters.

ding might just be a reincarnated Southern Plantation owner! Hehe.

There you go. Thank you for showing your true colors. I knew it wouldn't be too long.

The Bible did not condone slavery. Can you show me where the Bible explicitly condoned slavery?

Saying that a slave can be BEATEN TO DEATH pretty much frickin' condones slavery!!

Which verse says that?

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

Marion, the Scientific Humanist loving thing to do would be to, instead, have texts that say "no slavery". Can we agree on that, or do you believe that it's ok to beat slaves to death?

We're not going to agree on anything. I just had a bee land on my back @ 10:30 pm.

You may as well advocate for the FSM.

I'll admit I like your brand of non-God religion better than FSM, but not enough to change.

Yeah, they promise you everything you ever wanted! it's great!

There's probably a catch somewhere.

 

[Joy4Uall]

Yes. I don't feel comfortable with the government dictating who should and should not be allowed to adopt kids.

I applaud you. God/Jesus don't love gays, as the Bible shows of course, but you appear to. I admire that.

You seriously don't want to open that can of worms. You'd best just assume I agree with you and move on.

God/Jesus DON'T love gays, as this collection of gay-related Bible verses clearly shows: Homosexuality in the Bible

I assume that you agree that god got those verses wrong (so we don't bring those forward into our own belief system)?

 

[Joy4Uall]

The Bible didn't condone slavery. Can you show me where the Bible did so?

Ephesians 6:4-6: Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord. Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.

Ephesians 6:5:Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Ephesians 6And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.

Titus 2Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them,

1 Peter 2:18:Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

Which of these verses do you think should be brought forward in the new Scientific Humanist belief system?
We like "love your neighbor", and the Golden Rule, so those are good, but not all Bible verses are good for the world.

Absolutely none, because "scientific humanism" is a pipe dream of an atheistic douche and has aspirations to be better than "secular humanism" but falls flat on its silly face.

What parts do you like about "secular humanism"?

ding might just be a reincarnated Southern Plantation owner! Hehe.

There you go. Thank you for showing your true colors. I knew it wouldn't be too long.

The Bible did not condone slavery. Can you show me where the Bible explicitly condoned slavery?

Saying that a slave can be BEATEN TO DEATH pretty much frickin' condones slavery!!

Which verse says that?

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

Marion, the Scientific Humanist loving thing to do would be to, instead, have texts that say "no slavery". Can we agree on that, or do you believe that it's ok to beat slaves to death?

We're not going to agree on anything. I just had a bee land on my back @ 10:30 pm.

You may as well advocate for the FSM.

I'll admit I like your brand of non-God religion better than FSM, but not enough to change.

Yeah, they promise you everything you ever wanted! it's great!

There's probably a catch somewhere.

FSM (PBUHNA)
(Peace Be Upon His Noodley Appendages)

A much tastier belief system than Scientific Humanism, however.

 

[Joy4Uall]

So clearly you are incapable of discussing this like an adult.

1. The Bible did not condone slavery.
2. Slavery during this time was indentured servitude. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families.
3. Both the OT and NT expressly forbid forced slavery. The penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16)
4. Indentured servants were treated pretty bad back in those days. Mosaic Law measurably raised the standards of treatment heads and shoulders above their contemporaries of the day.

So, you are quite ignorant on this subject or you are being intentionally mendacious. Either way you have shown yourself to be someone whose goal is to subordinate religion for political purposes. Just like socialists have done throughout history.

It have used by people on both sides of the issue

They miss the message of the whole books and the whole bible

The message seems to be a mixed message: one of love, and one of fear....the word "fear" is listed many many times as this search shows: BibleGateway - : fear

Our belief system does look for the texts of the top 10 religions for words of wisdom on love, but doesn't strive to bring forward the parts that teach fear. People deserve a fear-free belief system. We don't believe that an all-powerful and all-knowing prophet would have to resort to fear - just like a good parent can move beyond instilling fear in their children. Love is the key. I like it when Christians focus on the love of their beliefs and not the fear.

I wouldn't expect you to understand a religion that is not your own. .....

I'm a former Christian.

former to what now?

Scientific Humanism....not perfect....but better.

Have a great night.