Should LGBT people be allowed to adopt kids?

[aris2chat]

......

People shouldn't adopt children to be slaves.

....

The Bible approves of slavery - so are you saying that the Bible is wrong?

This is another straw-man of yours. You are being mendacious.

Can you say that a belief system that says "no slavery" like ours does is more loving that a belief system that says the following?
"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

It would sure seem so, ding.

How the Bible was Used to Justify Slavery and White Supremacy
www.patheos.com/.../how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery-and-white-supremacy...
Sep 22, 2016 - In my Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism course today, we'll be talking about the history of slavery and segregation in AmericanChristianity.
Christianity as a Justification for Slavery - History Engine: Tools for ...
History Engine: Tools for Collaborative Education and Research | Episodes
In the Old Testament, God and the Patriarchs approve. As for the New Testament, Jesus and the Apostles show that slavery is permissible. ... As religion ran deep through slavery, white Christian slaveholders argued thatslavery was a necessary evil because it would control the sinful, less humane, black race.
Why Did So Many Christians Support Slavery? | Christian History
www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/.../why-christians-should-support-slavery.html
Many southern Christians felt that slavery, in one Baptist minister's words, “stands as an institution of God.” Here are some common arguments made by ...
The Religious Defense of American Slavery Before ... - kingscollege.net
https://www.kingscollege.net/.../The religious justification of slavery ...
by LR Morrison - ‎Cited by 8 - ‎Related articles
The South's use of the Bible to defend slavery and the master-slaverelationship .... justification found in Mosaic law, the argument of divine sanction. Throughout.
Biblical Verses used by Slave Masters to Justify Slavery
www.reunionblackfamily.com/.../7183511-biblical-verses-used-by-slave-masters-to-j...
May 26, 2011 - Based upon these isolated verses, slaveowners claimed that the Bible supported slavery and taught slaves to be obedient to their masters.

Really really great post - showing the true nature of Christianity.

It show how man will use the bible for their own ends

 

[Joy4Uall]

......
Ephesians 6:5:Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
............

"With respect and FEAR"? Sounds like biblical slavery was pretty bad, ding.

A better way is to not teach fear. We don't teach fear.

 

[ding]

......

People shouldn't adopt children to be slaves.

....

The Bible approves of slavery - so are you saying that the Bible is wrong?

This is another straw-man of yours. You are being mendacious.

Can you say that a belief system that says "no slavery" like ours does is more loving that a belief system that says the following?
"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

It would sure seem so, ding.

How the Bible was Used to Justify Slavery and White Supremacy
www.patheos.com/.../how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery-and-white-supremacy...
Sep 22, 2016 - In my Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism course today, we'll be talking about the history of slavery and segregation in AmericanChristianity.
Christianity as a Justification for Slavery - History Engine: Tools for ...
History Engine: Tools for Collaborative Education and Research | Episodes
In the Old Testament, God and the Patriarchs approve. As for the New Testament, Jesus and the Apostles show that slavery is permissible. ... As religion ran deep through slavery, white Christian slaveholders argued thatslavery was a necessary evil because it would control the sinful, less humane, black race.
Why Did So Many Christians Support Slavery? | Christian History
www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/.../why-christians-should-support-slavery.html
Many southern Christians felt that slavery, in one Baptist minister's words, “stands as an institution of God.” Here are some common arguments made by ...
The Religious Defense of American Slavery Before ... - kingscollege.net
https://www.kingscollege.net/.../The religious justification of slavery ...
by LR Morrison - ‎Cited by 8 - ‎Related articles
The South's use of the Bible to defend slavery and the master-slaverelationship .... justification found in Mosaic law, the argument of divine sanction. Throughout.
Biblical Verses used by Slave Masters to Justify Slavery
www.reunionblackfamily.com/.../7183511-biblical-verses-used-by-slave-masters-to-j...
May 26, 2011 - Based upon these isolated verses, slaveowners claimed that the Bible supported slavery and taught slaves to be obedient to their masters.

Really really great post - showing the true nature of Christianity.

So clearly you are incapable of discussing this like an adult.

1. The Bible did not condone slavery.
2. Slavery during this time was indentured servitude. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families.
3. Both the OT and NT expressly forbid forced slavery. The penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16)
4. Indentured servants were treated pretty bad back in those days. Mosaic Law measurably raised the standards of treatment heads and shoulders above their contemporaries of the day.

So, you are quite ignorant on this subject or you are being intentionally mendacious. Either way you have shown yourself to be someone whose goal is to subordinate religion for political purposes. Just like socialists have done throughout history.

 

[ding]

The Bible approves of slavery - so are you saying that the Bible is wrong?

This is another straw-man of yours. You are being mendacious.

Can you say that a belief system that says "no slavery" like ours does is more loving that a belief system that says the following?
"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

It would sure seem so, ding.

How the Bible was Used to Justify Slavery and White Supremacy
www.patheos.com/.../how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery-and-white-supremacy...
Sep 22, 2016 - In my Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism course today, we'll be talking about the history of slavery and segregation in AmericanChristianity.
Christianity as a Justification for Slavery - History Engine: Tools for ...
History Engine: Tools for Collaborative Education and Research | Episodes
In the Old Testament, God and the Patriarchs approve. As for the New Testament, Jesus and the Apostles show that slavery is permissible. ... As religion ran deep through slavery, white Christian slaveholders argued thatslavery was a necessary evil because it would control the sinful, less humane, black race.
Why Did So Many Christians Support Slavery? | Christian History
www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/.../why-christians-should-support-slavery.html
Many southern Christians felt that slavery, in one Baptist minister's words, “stands as an institution of God.” Here are some common arguments made by ...
The Religious Defense of American Slavery Before ... - kingscollege.net
https://www.kingscollege.net/.../The religious justification of slavery ...
by LR Morrison - ‎Cited by 8 - ‎Related articles
The South's use of the Bible to defend slavery and the master-slaverelationship .... justification found in Mosaic law, the argument of divine sanction. Throughout.
Biblical Verses used by Slave Masters to Justify Slavery
www.reunionblackfamily.com/.../7183511-biblical-verses-used-by-slave-masters-to-j...
May 26, 2011 - Based upon these isolated verses, slaveowners claimed that the Bible supported slavery and taught slaves to be obedient to their masters.

Really really great post - showing the true nature of Christianity.

It show how man will use the bible for their own ends

That is quite ironic since that is exactly what Joy4Uall is doing now.

 

[Marion Morrison]

This is another straw-man of yours. You are being mendacious.

Can you say that a belief system that says "no slavery" like ours does is more loving that a belief system that says the following?
"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

It would sure seem so, ding.

How the Bible was Used to Justify Slavery and White Supremacy
www.patheos.com/.../how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery-and-white-supremacy...
Sep 22, 2016 - In my Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism course today, we'll be talking about the history of slavery and segregation in AmericanChristianity.
Christianity as a Justification for Slavery - History Engine: Tools for ...
History Engine: Tools for Collaborative Education and Research | Episodes
In the Old Testament, God and the Patriarchs approve. As for the New Testament, Jesus and the Apostles show that slavery is permissible. ... As religion ran deep through slavery, white Christian slaveholders argued thatslavery was a necessary evil because it would control the sinful, less humane, black race.
Why Did So Many Christians Support Slavery? | Christian History
www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/.../why-christians-should-support-slavery.html
Many southern Christians felt that slavery, in one Baptist minister's words, “stands as an institution of God.” Here are some common arguments made by ...
The Religious Defense of American Slavery Before ... - kingscollege.net
https://www.kingscollege.net/.../The religious justification of slavery ...
by LR Morrison - ‎Cited by 8 - ‎Related articles
The South's use of the Bible to defend slavery and the master-slaverelationship .... justification found in Mosaic law, the argument of divine sanction. Throughout.
Biblical Verses used by Slave Masters to Justify Slavery
www.reunionblackfamily.com/.../7183511-biblical-verses-used-by-slave-masters-to-j...
May 26, 2011 - Based upon these isolated verses, slaveowners claimed that the Bible supported slavery and taught slaves to be obedient to their masters.

The Bible didn't condone slavery. Can you show me where the Bible did so?

Ephesians 6:4-6: Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord. Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.

Ephesians 6:5:Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Ephesians 6And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.

Titus 2Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them,

1 Peter 2:18:Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

Which of these verses do you think should be brought forward in the new Scientific Humanist belief system?
We like "love your neighbor", and the Golden Rule, so those are good, but not all Bible verses are good for the world.

Absolutely none, because "scientific humanism" is a pipe dream of an atheistic douche and has aspirations to be better than "secular humanism" but falls flat on its silly face.

 

[ding]

Can you say that a belief system that says "no slavery" like ours does is more loving that a belief system that says the following?
"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

It would sure seem so, ding.

How the Bible was Used to Justify Slavery and White Supremacy
www.patheos.com/.../how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery-and-white-supremacy...
Sep 22, 2016 - In my Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism course today, we'll be talking about the history of slavery and segregation in AmericanChristianity.
Christianity as a Justification for Slavery - History Engine: Tools for ...
History Engine: Tools for Collaborative Education and Research | Episodes
In the Old Testament, God and the Patriarchs approve. As for the New Testament, Jesus and the Apostles show that slavery is permissible. ... As religion ran deep through slavery, white Christian slaveholders argued thatslavery was a necessary evil because it would control the sinful, less humane, black race.
Why Did So Many Christians Support Slavery? | Christian History
www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/.../why-christians-should-support-slavery.html
Many southern Christians felt that slavery, in one Baptist minister's words, “stands as an institution of God.” Here are some common arguments made by ...
The Religious Defense of American Slavery Before ... - kingscollege.net
https://www.kingscollege.net/.../The religious justification of slavery ...
by LR Morrison - ‎Cited by 8 - ‎Related articles
The South's use of the Bible to defend slavery and the master-slaverelationship .... justification found in Mosaic law, the argument of divine sanction. Throughout.
Biblical Verses used by Slave Masters to Justify Slavery
www.reunionblackfamily.com/.../7183511-biblical-verses-used-by-slave-masters-to-j...
May 26, 2011 - Based upon these isolated verses, slaveowners claimed that the Bible supported slavery and taught slaves to be obedient to their masters.

The Bible didn't condone slavery. Can you show me where the Bible did so?

Ephesians 6:4-6: Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord. Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.

Ephesians 6:5:Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Ephesians 6And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.

Titus 2Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them,

1 Peter 2:18:Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

Which of these verses do you think should be brought forward in the new Scientific Humanist belief system?
We like "love your neighbor", and the Golden Rule, so those are good, but not all Bible verses are good for the world.

Absolutely none, because "scientific humanism" is a pipe dream of an atheistic douche and has aspirations to be better than "secular humanism" but falls flat on its silly face.

It is the religion of socialists and militant atheists.

 

[Joy4Uall]

The Bible approves of slavery - so are you saying that the Bible is wrong?

This is another straw-man of yours. You are being mendacious.

Can you say that a belief system that says "no slavery" like ours does is more loving that a belief system that says the following?
"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

It would sure seem so, ding.

How the Bible was Used to Justify Slavery and White Supremacy
www.patheos.com/.../how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery-and-white-supremacy...
Sep 22, 2016 - In my Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism course today, we'll be talking about the history of slavery and segregation in AmericanChristianity.
Christianity as a Justification for Slavery - History Engine: Tools for ...
History Engine: Tools for Collaborative Education and Research | Episodes
In the Old Testament, God and the Patriarchs approve. As for the New Testament, Jesus and the Apostles show that slavery is permissible. ... As religion ran deep through slavery, white Christian slaveholders argued thatslavery was a necessary evil because it would control the sinful, less humane, black race.
Why Did So Many Christians Support Slavery? | Christian History
www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/.../why-christians-should-support-slavery.html
Many southern Christians felt that slavery, in one Baptist minister's words, “stands as an institution of God.” Here are some common arguments made by ...
The Religious Defense of American Slavery Before ... - kingscollege.net
https://www.kingscollege.net/.../The religious justification of slavery ...
by LR Morrison - ‎Cited by 8 - ‎Related articles
The South's use of the Bible to defend slavery and the master-slaverelationship .... justification found in Mosaic law, the argument of divine sanction. Throughout.
Biblical Verses used by Slave Masters to Justify Slavery
www.reunionblackfamily.com/.../7183511-biblical-verses-used-by-slave-masters-to-j...
May 26, 2011 - Based upon these isolated verses, slaveowners claimed that the Bible supported slavery and taught slaves to be obedient to their masters.

Really really great post - showing the true nature of Christianity.

It show how man will use the bible for their own ends

I'm getting more and more impressed with you.
I think you are probably more ethical, and more caring than even someone as great as Jesus. I think that you would have taken a mere 15 seconds out of your life and said, if you were in Jesus' shoes: "write this down - end slavery w/in the next 30 years."

You would have been better for the world, aris2chat, than Jesus would have, on this important non-trivial issue (slavery), because you seem to love more than even Jesus did. You seem like a Scientific Humanist.

 

[aris2chat]

The Bible approves of slavery - so are you saying that the Bible is wrong?

This is another straw-man of yours. You are being mendacious.

Can you say that a belief system that says "no slavery" like ours does is more loving that a belief system that says the following?
"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

It would sure seem so, ding.

How the Bible was Used to Justify Slavery and White Supremacy
www.patheos.com/.../how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery-and-white-supremacy...
Sep 22, 2016 - In my Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism course today, we'll be talking about the history of slavery and segregation in AmericanChristianity.
Christianity as a Justification for Slavery - History Engine: Tools for ...
History Engine: Tools for Collaborative Education and Research | Episodes
In the Old Testament, God and the Patriarchs approve. As for the New Testament, Jesus and the Apostles show that slavery is permissible. ... As religion ran deep through slavery, white Christian slaveholders argued thatslavery was a necessary evil because it would control the sinful, less humane, black race.
Why Did So Many Christians Support Slavery? | Christian History
www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/.../why-christians-should-support-slavery.html
Many southern Christians felt that slavery, in one Baptist minister's words, “stands as an institution of God.” Here are some common arguments made by ...
The Religious Defense of American Slavery Before ... - kingscollege.net
https://www.kingscollege.net/.../The religious justification of slavery ...
by LR Morrison - ‎Cited by 8 - ‎Related articles
The South's use of the Bible to defend slavery and the master-slaverelationship .... justification found in Mosaic law, the argument of divine sanction. Throughout.
Biblical Verses used by Slave Masters to Justify Slavery
www.reunionblackfamily.com/.../7183511-biblical-verses-used-by-slave-masters-to-j...
May 26, 2011 - Based upon these isolated verses, slaveowners claimed that the Bible supported slavery and taught slaves to be obedient to their masters.

Really really great post - showing the true nature of Christianity.

So clearly you are incapable of discussing this like an adult.

1. The Bible did not condone slavery.
2. Slavery during this time was indentured servitude. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families.
3. Both the OT and NT expressly forbid forced slavery. The penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16)
4. Indentured servants were treated pretty bad back in those days. Mosaic Law measurably raised the standards of treatment heads and shoulders above their contemporaries of the day.

So, you are quite ignorant on this subject or you are being intentionally mendacious. Either way you have shown yourself to be someone whose goal is to subordinate religion for political purposes. Just like socialists have done throughout history.

It have used by people on both sides of the issue

They miss the message of the whole books and the whole bible

 

[ding]

This is another straw-man of yours. You are being mendacious.

Can you say that a belief system that says "no slavery" like ours does is more loving that a belief system that says the following?
"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

It would sure seem so, ding.

How the Bible was Used to Justify Slavery and White Supremacy
www.patheos.com/.../how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery-and-white-supremacy...
Sep 22, 2016 - In my Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism course today, we'll be talking about the history of slavery and segregation in AmericanChristianity.
Christianity as a Justification for Slavery - History Engine: Tools for ...
History Engine: Tools for Collaborative Education and Research | Episodes
In the Old Testament, God and the Patriarchs approve. As for the New Testament, Jesus and the Apostles show that slavery is permissible. ... As religion ran deep through slavery, white Christian slaveholders argued thatslavery was a necessary evil because it would control the sinful, less humane, black race.
Why Did So Many Christians Support Slavery? | Christian History
www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/.../why-christians-should-support-slavery.html
Many southern Christians felt that slavery, in one Baptist minister's words, “stands as an institution of God.” Here are some common arguments made by ...
The Religious Defense of American Slavery Before ... - kingscollege.net
https://www.kingscollege.net/.../The religious justification of slavery ...
by LR Morrison - ‎Cited by 8 - ‎Related articles
The South's use of the Bible to defend slavery and the master-slaverelationship .... justification found in Mosaic law, the argument of divine sanction. Throughout.
Biblical Verses used by Slave Masters to Justify Slavery
www.reunionblackfamily.com/.../7183511-biblical-verses-used-by-slave-masters-to-j...
May 26, 2011 - Based upon these isolated verses, slaveowners claimed that the Bible supported slavery and taught slaves to be obedient to their masters.

Really really great post - showing the true nature of Christianity.

It show how man will use the bible for their own ends

I'm getting more and more impressed with you.
I think you are probably more ethical, and more caring than even someone as great as Jesus. I think that you would have taken a mere 15 seconds out of your life and said, if you were in Jesus' shoes: "write this down - end slavery w/in the next 30 years."

You would have been better for the world, aris2chat, than Jesus would have, on this important non-trivial issue (slavery), because you seem to love more than even Jesus did. You seem like a Scientific Humanist.

1. The Bible did not condone slavery.
2. Slavery during this time was indentured servitude. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families.
3. Both the OT and NT expressly forbid forced slavery. The penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16)
4. Indentured servants were treated pretty bad back in those days. Mosaic Law measurably raised the standards of treatment heads and shoulders above their contemporaries of the day.

 

[Joy4Uall]

How the Bible was Used to Justify Slavery and White Supremacy
www.patheos.com/.../how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery-and-white-supremacy...
Sep 22, 2016 - In my Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism course today, we'll be talking about the history of slavery and segregation in AmericanChristianity.
Christianity as a Justification for Slavery - History Engine: Tools for ...
History Engine: Tools for Collaborative Education and Research | Episodes
In the Old Testament, God and the Patriarchs approve. As for the New Testament, Jesus and the Apostles show that slavery is permissible. ... As religion ran deep through slavery, white Christian slaveholders argued thatslavery was a necessary evil because it would control the sinful, less humane, black race.
Why Did So Many Christians Support Slavery? | Christian History
www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/.../why-christians-should-support-slavery.html
Many southern Christians felt that slavery, in one Baptist minister's words, “stands as an institution of God.” Here are some common arguments made by ...
The Religious Defense of American Slavery Before ... - kingscollege.net
https://www.kingscollege.net/.../The religious justification of slavery ...
by LR Morrison - ‎Cited by 8 - ‎Related articles
The South's use of the Bible to defend slavery and the master-slaverelationship .... justification found in Mosaic law, the argument of divine sanction. Throughout.
Biblical Verses used by Slave Masters to Justify Slavery
www.reunionblackfamily.com/.../7183511-biblical-verses-used-by-slave-masters-to-j...
May 26, 2011 - Based upon these isolated verses, slaveowners claimed that the Bible supported slavery and taught slaves to be obedient to their masters.

The Bible didn't condone slavery. Can you show me where the Bible did so?

Ephesians 6:4-6: Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord. Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.

Ephesians 6:5:Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Ephesians 6And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.

Titus 2Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them,

1 Peter 2:18:Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

Which of these verses do you think should be brought forward in the new Scientific Humanist belief system?
We like "love your neighbor", and the Golden Rule, so those are good, but not all Bible verses are good for the world.

Absolutely none, because "scientific humanism" is a pipe dream of an atheistic douche and has aspirations to be better than "secular humanism" but falls flat on its silly face.

It is the religion of socialists and militant atheists.

Again, I don't like socialism.
And "militant" would sort of imply someone who would force people to believe his/her point of view (like Jesus in the after-life - or he sends them to hell), but our 10 "commandments" have FREEDOM as the #1 thing, so of course that's not true.

PS I don't agree with you alot, but I do find you to be quite intellectual. I've enjoyed our chats.

 

[ding]

This is another straw-man of yours. You are being mendacious.

Can you say that a belief system that says "no slavery" like ours does is more loving that a belief system that says the following?
"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

It would sure seem so, ding.

How the Bible was Used to Justify Slavery and White Supremacy
www.patheos.com/.../how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery-and-white-supremacy...
Sep 22, 2016 - In my Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism course today, we'll be talking about the history of slavery and segregation in AmericanChristianity.
Christianity as a Justification for Slavery - History Engine: Tools for ...
History Engine: Tools for Collaborative Education and Research | Episodes
In the Old Testament, God and the Patriarchs approve. As for the New Testament, Jesus and the Apostles show that slavery is permissible. ... As religion ran deep through slavery, white Christian slaveholders argued thatslavery was a necessary evil because it would control the sinful, less humane, black race.
Why Did So Many Christians Support Slavery? | Christian History
www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/.../why-christians-should-support-slavery.html
Many southern Christians felt that slavery, in one Baptist minister's words, “stands as an institution of God.” Here are some common arguments made by ...
The Religious Defense of American Slavery Before ... - kingscollege.net
https://www.kingscollege.net/.../The religious justification of slavery ...
by LR Morrison - ‎Cited by 8 - ‎Related articles
The South's use of the Bible to defend slavery and the master-slaverelationship .... justification found in Mosaic law, the argument of divine sanction. Throughout.
Biblical Verses used by Slave Masters to Justify Slavery
www.reunionblackfamily.com/.../7183511-biblical-verses-used-by-slave-masters-to-j...
May 26, 2011 - Based upon these isolated verses, slaveowners claimed that the Bible supported slavery and taught slaves to be obedient to their masters.

Really really great post - showing the true nature of Christianity.

So clearly you are incapable of discussing this like an adult.

1. The Bible did not condone slavery.
2. Slavery during this time was indentured servitude. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families.
3. Both the OT and NT expressly forbid forced slavery. The penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16)
4. Indentured servants were treated pretty bad back in those days. Mosaic Law measurably raised the standards of treatment heads and shoulders above their contemporaries of the day.

So, you are quite ignorant on this subject or you are being intentionally mendacious. Either way you have shown yourself to be someone whose goal is to subordinate religion for political purposes. Just like socialists have done throughout history.

It have used by people on both sides of the issue

They miss the message of the whole books and the whole bible

Why don't you tell me what the message is then?

 

[ding]

Again, I don't like socialism.
And "militant" would sort of imply someone who would force people to believe his/her point of view (like Jesus in the after-life - or he sends them to hell), but our 10 "commandments" have FREEDOM as the #1 thing, so of course that's not true.

I hope you don't mind if I think you are lying.

1. The Bible did not condone slavery.
2. Slavery during this time was indentured servitude. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families.
3. Both the OT and NT expressly forbid forced slavery. The penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16)
4. Indentured servants were treated pretty bad back in those days. Mosaic Law measurably raised the standards of treatment heads and shoulders above their contemporaries of the day.

 

[Joy4Uall]

Can you say that a belief system that says "no slavery" like ours does is more loving that a belief system that says the following?
"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

It would sure seem so, ding.

How the Bible was Used to Justify Slavery and White Supremacy
www.patheos.com/.../how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery-and-white-supremacy...
Sep 22, 2016 - In my Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism course today, we'll be talking about the history of slavery and segregation in AmericanChristianity.
Christianity as a Justification for Slavery - History Engine: Tools for ...
History Engine: Tools for Collaborative Education and Research | Episodes
In the Old Testament, God and the Patriarchs approve. As for the New Testament, Jesus and the Apostles show that slavery is permissible. ... As religion ran deep through slavery, white Christian slaveholders argued thatslavery was a necessary evil because it would control the sinful, less humane, black race.
Why Did So Many Christians Support Slavery? | Christian History
www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/.../why-christians-should-support-slavery.html
Many southern Christians felt that slavery, in one Baptist minister's words, “stands as an institution of God.” Here are some common arguments made by ...
The Religious Defense of American Slavery Before ... - kingscollege.net
https://www.kingscollege.net/.../The religious justification of slavery ...
by LR Morrison - ‎Cited by 8 - ‎Related articles
The South's use of the Bible to defend slavery and the master-slaverelationship .... justification found in Mosaic law, the argument of divine sanction. Throughout.
Biblical Verses used by Slave Masters to Justify Slavery
www.reunionblackfamily.com/.../7183511-biblical-verses-used-by-slave-masters-to-j...
May 26, 2011 - Based upon these isolated verses, slaveowners claimed that the Bible supported slavery and taught slaves to be obedient to their masters.

Really really great post - showing the true nature of Christianity.

It show how man will use the bible for their own ends

I'm getting more and more impressed with you.
I think you are probably more ethical, and more caring than even someone as great as Jesus. I think that you

Can you say that a belief system that says "no slavery" like ours does is more loving that a belief system that says the following?
"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

It would sure seem so, ding.

How the Bible was Used to Justify Slavery and White Supremacy
www.patheos.com/.../how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery-and-white-supremacy...
Sep 22, 2016 - In my Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism course today, we'll be talking about the history of slavery and segregation in AmericanChristianity.
Christianity as a Justification for Slavery - History Engine: Tools for ...
History Engine: Tools for Collaborative Education and Research | Episodes
In the Old Testament, God and the Patriarchs approve. As for the New Testament, Jesus and the Apostles show that slavery is permissible. ... As religion ran deep through slavery, white Christian slaveholders argued thatslavery was a necessary evil because it would control the sinful, less humane, black race.
Why Did So Many Christians Support Slavery? | Christian History
www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/.../why-christians-should-support-slavery.html
Many southern Christians felt that slavery, in one Baptist minister's words, “stands as an institution of God.” Here are some common arguments made by ...
The Religious Defense of American Slavery Before ... - kingscollege.net
https://www.kingscollege.net/.../The religious justification of slavery ...
by LR Morrison - ‎Cited by 8 - ‎Related articles
The South's use of the Bible to defend slavery and the master-slaverelationship .... justification found in Mosaic law, the argument of divine sanction. Throughout.
Biblical Verses used by Slave Masters to Justify Slavery
www.reunionblackfamily.com/.../7183511-biblical-verses-used-by-slave-masters-to-j...
May 26, 2011 - Based upon these isolated verses, slaveowners claimed that the Bible supported slavery and taught slaves to be obedient to their masters.

Really really great post - showing the true nature of Christianity.

It show how man will use the bible for their own ends

I'm getting more and more impressed with you.
I think you are probably more ethical, and more caring than even someone as great as Jesus. I think that you would have taken a mere 15 seconds out of your life and said, if you were in Jesus' shoes: "write this down - end slavery w/in the next 30 years."

You would have been better for the world, aris2chat, than Jesus would have, on this important non-trivial issue (slavery), because you seem to love more than even Jesus did. You seem like a Scientific Humanist.

1. The Bible did not condone slavery.
2. Slavery during this time was indentured servitude. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families.
3. Both the OT and NT expressly forbid forced slavery. The penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16)
4. Indentured servants were treated pretty bad back in those days. Mosaic Law measurably raised the standards of treatment heads and shoulders above their contemporaries of the day.

You would have been better for the world, aris2chat, than Jesus would have, on this important non-trivial issue (slavery), because you seem to love more than even Jesus did. You seem like a Scientific Humanist.

1. The Bible did not condone slavery.
2. Slavery during this time was indentured servitude. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families.
3. Both the OT and NT expressly forbid forced slavery. The penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16)
4. Indentured servants were treated pretty bad back in those days. Mosaic Law measurably raised the standards of treatment heads and shoulders above their contemporaries of the day.

How similar are you to Scientific Humanism? In other words would you have taken a mere 15 seconds out of your life and said, if you were in Jesus' shoes: "write this down - end slavery w/in the next 30 years."?

 

[ding]

How similar are you to Scientific Humanism? In other words would have taken a mere 15 seconds out of your life and said, if you were in Jesus' shoes: "write this down - end slavery w/in the next 30 years."?

Because there was no need.

1. The Bible did not condone slavery.
2. Slavery during this time was indentured servitude. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families.
3. Both the OT and NT expressly forbid forced slavery. The penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16)
4. Indentured servants were treated pretty bad back in those days. Mosaic Law measurably raised the standards of treatment heads and shoulders above their contemporaries of the day.

 

[ding]

Again, I don't like socialism.
And "militant" would sort of imply someone who would force people to believe his/her point of view (like Jesus in the after-life - or he sends them to hell), but our 10 "commandments" have FREEDOM as the #1 thing, so of course that's not true.

PS I don't agree with you alot, but I do find you to be quite intellectual. I've enjoyed our chats.

Throughout our nation's history, churches have done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility. Moral and civil individuals are largely governed by their own sense of right and wrong, and hence have little need for external government. This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people's allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before putting their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation's Christian heritage.
Dr. Ron Paul

 

[Joy4Uall]

Ephesians 6:4-6: Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord. Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.

Ephesians 6:5:Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Ephesians 6And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.

Titus 2Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them,

1 Peter 2:18:Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

Which of these verses do you think should be brought forward in the new Scientific Humanist belief system?
We like "love your neighbor", and the Golden Rule, so those are good, but not all Bible verses are good for the world.

Absolutely none, because "scientific humanism" is a pipe dream of an atheistic douche and has aspirations to be better than "secular humanism" but falls flat on its silly face.

It is the religion of socialists and militant atheists.

Again, I don't like socialism.
And "militant" would sort of imply someone who would force people to believe his/her point of view (like Jesus in the after-life - or he sends them to hell), but our 10 "commandments" have FREEDOM as the #1 thing, so of course that's not true.

I hope you don't mind if I think you are lying.
.......
4. Indentured servants were treated pretty bad back in those days. Mosaic Law measurably raised the standards of treatment heads and shoulders above their contemporaries of the day.

In our belief system our barometer is TODAY'S morality - we don't care that, say, "Mohammad raised, at the time, the rights of women" (he did)...instead we care that TODAY the Qur'an says to beat women in Q4:34. Same thing with the Bible - it doesn't matter if they raised the level from, say, "super-barbaric" to only "barbaric". We expect more from an all-knowing, all-powerful, creator god of everything to know right from wrong forever.

 

[Joy4Uall]

Really really great post - showing the true nature of Christianity.

It show how man will use the bible for their own ends

I'm getting more and more impressed with you.
I think you are probably more ethical, and more caring than even someone as great as Jesus. I think that you

I'm getting more and more impressed with you.
I think you are probably more ethical, and more caring than even someone as great as Jesus. I think that you would have taken a mere 15 seconds out of your life and said, if you were in Jesus' shoes: "write this down - end slavery w/in the next 30 years."

You would have been better for the world, aris2chat, than Jesus would have, on this important non-trivial issue (slavery), because you seem to love more than even Jesus did. You seem like a Scientific Humanist.

1. The Bible did not condone slavery.
2. Slavery during this time was indentured servitude. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families.
3. Both the OT and NT expressly forbid forced slavery. The penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16)
4. Indentured servants were treated pretty bad back in those days. Mosaic Law measurably raised the standards of treatment heads and shoulders above their contemporaries of the day.

You would have been better for the world, aris2chat, than Jesus would have, on this important non-trivial issue (slavery), because you seem to love more than even Jesus did. You seem like a Scientific Humanist.

1. The Bible did not condone slavery.
2. Slavery during this time was indentured servitude. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families.
3. Both the OT and NT expressly forbid forced slavery. The penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16)
4. Indentured servants were treated pretty bad back in those days. Mosaic Law measurably raised the standards of treatment heads and shoulders above their contemporaries of the day.

How similar are you to Scientific Humanism? In other words would have taken a mere 15 seconds out of your life and said, if you were in Jesus' shoes: "write this down - end slavery w/in the next 30 years."?

Because there was no need.

1. The Bible did not condone slavery.
2. Slavery during this time was indentured servitude. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families.
3. Both the OT and NT expressly forbid forced slavery. The penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16)
4. Indentured servants were treated pretty bad back in those days. Mosaic Law measurably raised the standards of treatment heads and shoulders above their contemporaries of the day.

He got "love your neighbor" right, I'm glad to say, however. So those are the parts that we applaud - but not unscientific stuff like "angels", nor unethical stuff like Jesus accepting slavery, etc.:
In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn’t know they were doing anything wrong.
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.” (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

 

[Marion Morrison]

Which of these verses do you think should be brought forward in the new Scientific Humanist belief system?
We like "love your neighbor", and the Golden Rule, so those are good, but not all Bible verses are good for the world.

Absolutely none, because "scientific humanism" is a pipe dream of an atheistic douche and has aspirations to be better than "secular humanism" but falls flat on its silly face.

It is the religion of socialists and militant atheists.

Again, I don't like socialism.
And "militant" would sort of imply someone who would force people to believe his/her point of view (like Jesus in the after-life - or he sends them to hell), but our 10 "commandments" have FREEDOM as the #1 thing, so of course that's not true.

I hope you don't mind if I think you are lying.
.......
4. Indentured servants were treated pretty bad back in those days. Mosaic Law measurably raised the standards of treatment heads and shoulders above their contemporaries of the day.

In our belief system our barometer is TODAY'S morality - we don't care that, say, "Mohammad raised, at the time, the rights of women" (he did)...instead we care that TODAY the Qur'an says to beat women in Q4:34. Same thing with the Bible - it doesn't matter if they raised the level from, say, "super-barbaric" to only "barbaric". We expect more from an all-knowing, all-powerful, creator god of everything to know right from wrong forever.

"TODAY'S morality" You should be hung by the neck until dead for derp.

 

[Joy4Uall]

Again, I don't like socialism.
And "militant" would sort of imply someone who would force people to believe his/her point of view (like Jesus in the after-life - or he sends them to hell), but our 10 "commandments" have FREEDOM as the #1 thing, so of course that's not true.

PS I don't agree with you alot, but I do find you to be quite intellectual. I've enjoyed our chats.

Throughout our nation's history, churches have done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility. Moral and civil individuals are largely governed by their own sense of right and wrong, and hence have little need for external government. This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people's allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before putting their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation's Christian heritage.
Dr. Ron Paul

I don't support the "collectivist left". I want lower taxes.

 

[ding]

I don't support the "collectivist left". I want lower taxes.

I hope you don't mind if I believe you are lying.

The Khmer Rouge abolished all religion and dispersed minority groups, forbidding them to speak their languages or to practice their customs. These policies had been implemented in less severe forms for many years prior to the Khmer Rouge's taking power.