Should people have to perform/provide services for gay weddings?

[Seawytch]

And if one does not like the way the current government operates, one certainly does have the right to complain and to lobby for change.

Not seek shelter in some other country, which is what you propose.

You're the one complaining about the system.

 

[KevinWestern]

No, the judicial branch is NOT supposed to circumvent the will of the people.

That may be the government we have NOW, but it is not the government that was conceived of, nor is it the system that made us great. What we have NOW is a petty tyranny. When the system is corrupt and systematically abused, then the system is no longer the system.

Disagree, that's the Gov't we've always had.

Abused how? Again, the will of the people is trending towards the acceptance of gays and (ultimately) gay marriage. All you have to do is compare writings from 1910 with the opinion of 2013. The court reflected that opinion adequately.

What's your point, Kosher? I mean this not in a rude way, but are you upset that the current opinion is trending towards acceptance of gays, and that this opinion is contrary to your own?

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[Uncensored2008]

If "the will of the people" is unconstitutional they are.

None of the 5 despots were able to articulate precisely WHAT was unconstitutional. As with RvW, this is simply legislating from the bench those things that lack the support of the people that the rulers of this nation desire.

 

[koshergrl]

And everybody recognizes that.

Except for the poorly educated, narrow minded loony tunes who are responsible for voting tyrants in in the first place.

The regime's hard core voting/funding base...the criminal and mentally ill bloc.

 

[Seawytch]

If "the will of the people" is unconstitutional they are.

None of the 5 despots were able to articulate precisely WHAT was unconstitutional. As with RvW, this is simply legislating from the bench those things that lack the support of the people that the rulers of this nation desire.

In DOMA they cited the 5th amendment.

 

[koshergrl]

Oh, well then.

 

[koshergrl]

 

[Katzndogz]

Here is the 5th Amendment, which is a limitation on governmental action.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

The 5th Amendment has no applicability to DOMA unless you consider marriage as a property right that the government is now taking where it wasn't being taken before.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Go back and look again. I gave you a link to the legal ramifications (it had court cases in it).

The Right to Refuse Service: Can a Business Refuse Service to Someone Because of Appearance, Odor, or Attire? | LegalZoom

A church is for its members and does not provide public accommodation.

And?

Your cases are founded on public accommodation.

The gay is not a protected class either.

 

[Katzndogz]

This isn't a case of a business refusing to provide a business service to gays. It's a person refusing to provide a personal service. Now IF it was a case where a gay guy walked into a bakery and wanted to buy cupcakes and was refused service, or a lesbian went to a florist wanting a dozen roses for her honey, I would agree with you. There is absolutely no basis for refusing this customer. That's public accommodation.

That's not the case at all. It is individuals refusing to provide a personal service.

 

[Seawytch]

Here is the 5th Amendment, which is a limitation on governmental action.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

The 5th Amendment has no applicability to DOMA unless you consider marriage as a property right that the government is now taking where it wasn't being taken before.

Holding: Section 3 of the Defense of Marriage Act is unconstitutional as a deprivation of the equal liberty of persons that is protected by the Fifth Amendment.

SCOTUSBlog

 

[bodecea]

And everybody recognizes that.

Except for the poorly educated, narrow minded loony tunes who are responsible for voting tyrants in in the first place.

The regime's hard core voting/funding base...the criminal and mentally ill bloc.

Then pass a law that only lets brilliant people like yourself vote.

 

[Seawytch]

A church is for its members and does not provide public accommodation.

And?

Your cases are founded on public accommodation.

The gay is not a protected class either.

In some states they are. What do churches have to do with anything?

 

[Gracie]

On Face the Nation this morning Bob Schieffer was surprised to hear that people such as bakers and photographers are facing fines and possibly jail time for not providing their services to gay weddings. Whatever you feel about whether people should be forced to facilitate something they are religiously opposed to, it says a lot about the media coverage that Schieffer didn't even know about it.

Do you feel people who are religiously opposed to gay marriage should have to cater to gay weddings?

Obama said he won't make churches perform gay weddings. So, if we believe him, that one little corner of culture might not be forced to change. But everything else is fair game, isn't it.

Public schools will be actively attempting to make children view gay marriage as normal. Adoption agencies will be penalized for not arranging for children to be placed with gay couples. And bakers could lose thousands of dollars or go to jail if they refuse to put two plastic men on top of a wedding cake.

A business has the right to have policies they follow. Like, no shirt or no shoes...no service. If a business does not want to cater to same sex marriages in any capacity, it should be their right to decline.

 

[KevinWestern]

That's not the case at all. It is individuals refusing to provide a personal service.

If the service provider didn't want to provide a particular person a service, all he/she has to do is say "no, I will not provide you this service". That's totally within their rights under law.

Case closed.

What's the argument here?

 

[OODA_Loop]

And?

Your cases are founded on public accommodation.

The gay is not a protected class either.

In some states they are. What do churches have to do with anything?

Lets see........ what would a church have to do with a wedding and what group would most likely be attempted to be forced to perform a service contrary to their religious beliefs ?

 

[koshergrl]

And everybody recognizes that.

Except for the poorly educated, narrow minded loony tunes who are responsible for voting tyrants in in the first place.

The regime's hard core voting/funding base...the criminal and mentally ill bloc.

Then pass a law that only lets brilliant people like yourself vote.

We did have that, essentially...but it was deemed unconstitutional...

So now every retard on the planet, weather they're citizens or not, breathing or not, can vote.

And thus a tyranny is born.

 

[koshergrl]

Now the dems maintain a whole breeder class; your entire purpose is to live like animals, and vote democratic.

In return, you will get free apartment, phones, food, and medical. Your masters even throw in abortions and money for mind altering substances.

 

[KevinWestern]

Your cases are founded on public accommodation.

The gay is not a protected class either.

In some states they are. What do churches have to do with anything?

Lets see........ what would a church have to do with a wedding and what group would most likely be attempted to be forced to perform a service contrary to their religious beliefs ?

I'm 100% for marriage equality on a gov't level, but also 100% against anyone forcing a church to perform a gay marriage if they don't want to.

Totally against that, and think that many others are too..

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[KevinWestern]

Now the dems maintain a whole breeder class; your entire purpose is to live like animals, and vote democratic.

In return, you will get free apartment, phones, food, and medical. Your masters even throw in abortions and money for mind altering substances.

Now you're just getting off topic and generalizing.