Should people without kids pay more in Taxes?

[Pop23]

Big difference between fertility rate and the number of children being engendered. You can be fertile and still CHOOSE not to spawn the next generational burden on society...

"Burden"? You've gone completely irrational.

Yes, "burden". If you force others in the community to subsidize your offspring, that makes your reproductive efforts a burden to society.

The opposite argument can be made also. Problem is that we have a law on the books requiring participation in an health care, which is tiny compared to the economic benefit realized by procreation, or face fines that are forced upon us by way of governmental force.

 

[Pop23]

You really need to find another website to work out whatever 'unusual' fetish you might be referring to. This is not the place, and no one wants to hear it.

Take your own advice for once and beat it.

If he'd "beat it" more often, maybe he wouldn't be here bitching about people who object to paying for his ankle-biters.

Those ankle biters become doctors, teachers, fire fighters , police and Soldiers. Without them, you'd be toast in no time.

A bit of respect please, or do not ask for the "ankle biters" to show up when your house is on fire.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Take your own advice for once and beat it.

If he'd "beat it" more often, maybe he wouldn't be here bitching about people who object to paying for his ankle-biters.

Those ankle biters become doctors, teachers, fire fighters , police and Soldiers. Without them, you'd be toast in no time.

A bit of respect please, or do not ask for the "ankle biters" to show up when your house is on fire.

I already pay taxes that entitle me to the same public facilities and services as people with children. Why should I pay more because my choices mean I have allocated my wealth differently than someone who has chosen the expense of raising a family? Especially considering that people with children use more public services and facilities than I do in my childless state.
While you may consider your children a blessing and benefit, others may not feel priveleged to chip in to finance your having them.

 

[bripat9643]

Big difference between fertility rate and the number of children being engendered. You can be fertile and still CHOOSE not to spawn the next generational burden on society...

"Burden"? You've gone completely irrational.

Yes, "burden". If you force others in the community to subsidize your offspring, that makes your reproductive efforts a burden to society.

He's constantly whining about what a saint he is for everything he has to do to raise his children, but when someone else pays the costs all of a sudden it's not a burden for them.

 

[bripat9643]

No means no. Move on already. This begging is just making you look desperate. Not gonna happen, freak-o. Look elsewhere.

Unkotare - "Japanese. Roughly translated as dripping poop. This word is used to describe a pornographic genre commonly known as Scat."

Ah, another Google scholar Sorry, champ, but the term as used is a colloquialism that you won't find in your googly ignorance. You boys are really getting desperate now.

You keep saying that's not what he means, yet you have failed to provide a shred of evidence that it has an alternate definition.

BTW, the guy in your avatar looks like a fag.

 

[Care4all]

My oh my, we sure do have a bunch of immature boys around here, trying to play dress up in men's clothes.....

sheesh....

 

[Pop23]

If he'd "beat it" more often, maybe he wouldn't be here bitching about people who object to paying for his ankle-biters.

Those ankle biters become doctors, teachers, fire fighters , police and Soldiers. Without them, you'd be toast in no time.

A bit of respect please, or do not ask for the "ankle biters" to show up when your house is on fire.

I already pay taxes that entitle me to the same public facilities and services as people with children. Why should I pay more because my choices mean I have allocated my wealth differently than someone who has chosen the expense of raising a family? Especially considering that people with children use more public services and facilities than I do in my childless state.
While you may consider your children a blessing and benefit, others may not feel priveleged to chip in to finance your having them.

When the ankle biter picks you up for speeding, I wouldn't call him one. The result might not be beneficial. Might not want to tell him you pay taxes just like everyone else.

And exactly what did your rant have about being respectful to children?

 

[Politico]

"more responsible"? I suppose you have some really, really stupid explanation for what you mean by that?

It means they didn't have babies they couldn't afford.

I haven't seen any one posting on this thread mention "babies they couldn't afford."

Yeah that's what happens when you don't actually read the threads you post in.

 

[Unkotare]

It means they didn't have babies they couldn't afford.

I haven't seen any one posting on this thread mention "babies they couldn't afford."

Yeah that's what happens when you don't actually read the threads you post in.

You misunderstand - of course. I've seen plenty of morons like you accusing people of that, but I haven't seen anyone mention having "babies they couldn't afford." Is that clear enough, even for you?

 

[bripat9643]

I haven't seen any one posting on this thread mention "babies they couldn't afford."

Yeah that's what happens when you don't actually read the threads you post in.

You misunderstand - of course. I've seen plenty of morons like you accusing people of that, but I haven't seen anyone mention having "babies they couldn't afford." Is that clear enough, even for you?

You have indicated numerous times that you wouldn't martyr yourself for the sake of society by having kids because you couldn't afford it.

 

[Samson]

Maybe, instead of just complaining about parents.. you should maybe complain about those who have no career gumption and pay nothing in income tax on their earnings of a lower level... maybe you should complain about those who deduct medical expenses or COLLEGE expenses

Flat tax.. no deductions.. no exceptions.. no ceiling.. no floor.. no exemption... for every single dollar earned by every citizen
THERE is your solution

You know why that doesnt work? Because it has never worked anywhere ever.

They said the same thing to these guys:

 

[Unkotare]

Yeah that's what happens when you don't actually read the threads you post in.

You misunderstand - of course. I've seen plenty of morons like you accusing people of that, but I haven't seen anyone mention having "babies they couldn't afford." Is that clear enough, even for you?

You have indicated numerous times that you wouldn't martyr yourself for the sake of society by having kids because you couldn't afford it.

I have indicated no such thing - EVER - you lying shithole. Get the fuck out of my country, squatter.

 

[Unkotare]

Big difference between fertility rate and the number of children being engendered. You can be fertile and still CHOOSE not to spawn the next generational burden on society...

"Burden"? You've gone completely irrational.

Yes, "burden". If you force others in the community to subsidize your offspring, that makes your reproductive efforts a burden to society.

You've got that wrong in every possible way. Of course you are not thinking clearly because you have by now taken this whole discussion as some reflection on yourself of which you are not very proud. You are lashing out when you really want to be lashing in. Take that up with your shrink. I don't give enough of a shit about you (meaning any at all) to care about your emotional crisis.

 

[Samson]

So in other words, you would begrudge those who bear the very high cost of doing something without with society itself could not continue to exist, the great 'gift' of stealing a little less money from them? You one of those 'big government' liberals?

Your obvious flaw here is that you can only envision this within the framework of the current statist system.

I agree with you that a lot of government spending is targeted to benefit certain people and not others, and I agree that it's bullshit. Lots of government spending is bullshit, and on a moral level, I view some of it as outright theft. This spending should stop.

That concept, however, is separate from the one we're discussing. Whether the spending is right wrong or indifferent, we're all required to pitch our taxes in on it. Just because someone else had kids, no, I don't think they should get an extra benefit -ABOVE AND BEYOND- someone who didn't.

It's not that I don't think parents should have less of their shit stolen by the government. I believe -everyone- should have less of their shit stolen by the government.

What I don't believe is that parents, in particular, should get a special consideration where this is concerned.

I also don't believe that you'll respond in a manner that says that you understand what I'm saying.

I understand what you are saying, but I'd like to know the "why", or your "reasoning" on this stance of yours:

What I don't believe is that parents, in particular, should get a special consideration where this is concerned.

First let me say that my husband and I were never blessed with children and never will be able to have any...but I am in favor of letting families use the measly amount of Standard deduction and personal exemptions for every person that lives in the household, whether it be a mom and dad and child or a mom and 2 children and grandmom, for the government to not tax us on our necessities....the same thing is done in states, not just with standard deductions from our incomes, but even with sales taxes....many states if not all states will not tax food from the grocery store, or female menstrual sanitary products, or other necessities.....

To me, this is only HUMANE and logical that our government should NOT be allowed to tax us on the money needed to pay for a basic amount of these basic things that human beings need to just survive....

If you chose to house and feed another human being, whether it be a wife, a husband, a child or a foster child or a grandmom or grand dad or a nephew you took in etc....our government should NOT EVER tax us on the minimal amount it takes to keep these human beings alive.....

It's a 'no brainer', to me and to most human beings.

There are so many deductions that seem unfair with our tax code and are downright wrong, but THIS? THIS is NOT one of them....

Just think about it Not2Be.....

And we may need a big overhaul of our total tax structure, State, Local, Corporate, Excise, and Federal...but knit picking and taking away the ability to NOT BE TAXED ON things that are necessary to keep us humans alive, is simply wrong.

Care

Nice post Care.

And interesting POV. I'm pleased to have received a "measly amount of Standard deduction and personal exemptions" for my slaves for almost the past 20 years, and hope to continue to do so for 6 more years.

Had I really wanted to lower costs, not having slaves would have been a much better financial decision. The income they have produced through selling lemonade during the summer, and shovelling snow during the winter has been a tremendous disappointment, and certainly has not balanced the expenditures for gruel and rags or fresh hay.

[MENTION=4748]Care4all[/MENTION]

 

[Unkotare]

He's constantly whining about what a saint he is for everything he has to do to raise his children...

That is also not true, you lying shithole. It is painfully obvious that you losers have run out of ideas when you start blatantly lying like this and resorting to casting insults at the children of other posters instead of defending your own positions. You morons ran out of gas a long time ago but you're too stupid to know when to shut up.

 

[Unkotare]

Unkotare - "Japanese. Roughly translated as dripping poop. This word is used to describe a pornographic genre commonly known as Scat."

Ah, another Google scholar Sorry, champ, but the term as used is a colloquialism that you won't find in your googly ignorance. You boys are really getting desperate now.

You keep saying that's not what he means, yet you have failed to provide a shred of evidence that it has an alternate definition....

Your ignorance is not my problem and I don't teach for free.

 

[bripat9643]

You misunderstand - of course. I've seen plenty of morons like you accusing people of that, but I haven't seen anyone mention having "babies they couldn't afford." Is that clear enough, even for you?

You have indicated numerous times that you wouldn't martyr yourself for the sake of society by having kids because you couldn't afford it.

I have indicated no such thing - EVER - you lying shithole. Get the fuck out of my country, squatter.

It's my country, carpetbagger.

You are just so sensitive. You won't survive in this forum with such a thin skin.

 

[Unkotare]

BTW, the guy in your avatar looks like a fag.

You see what's happening to you morons? You're becoming so frustrated with your inability to defend your position that you are losing all control of yourselves. In your case, you are losing control of your emotions so badly that your repressed homosexual tendencies are bubbling up to the surface. Throwing around slurs (ironically about an actor who has probably been with more women than you've ever even talked to in your so-called life, but whatever) is absolutely not providing you the cover you seem to think it will.

 

[Unkotare]

You have indicated numerous times that you wouldn't martyr yourself for the sake of society by having kids because you couldn't afford it.

I have indicated no such thing - EVER - you lying shithole. Get the fuck out of my country, squatter.

It's my country, carpetbagger.

We've been over this before, shithole. You have made it perfectly clear that it is NOT your country and that you have no interest in being a citizen. You have admitted as much on other threads where you lost your shit over the confederate traitors, remember?

 

[Unkotare]

You have indicated numerous times that you wouldn't martyr yourself for the sake of society by having kids because you couldn't afford it.

I have indicated no such thing - EVER - you lying shithole. Get the fuck out of my country, squatter.

You are just so sensitive. You won't survive in this forum with such a thin skin.

= you admit you were lying. Why don't you try developing some character, you low-life squatter?