Should religion be eliminated

[ding]

Friedmann’s solutions to Einstein’s field equations tells us that space and time had a beginning.

How does that point to ONE creator? It doesn't.

It requires a first cause. We live in a logical universe where there has never been an uncaused event.

And how does that point to one creator?

Why would it point to multiple creators?

But I am happy that you see it does point to at least one creator.

Which you haven't proven. And which I haven't agreed to anywhere.

Then maybe you should stick to one argument rather than using a shotgun approach to confirm your bias.

If I haven’t proven my point you wouldn’t be arguing against it still.

 

[Taz]

How does that point to ONE creator? It doesn't.

It requires a first cause. We live in a logical universe where there has never been an uncaused event.

And how does that point to one creator?

Why would it point to multiple creators?

But I am happy that you see it does point to at least one creator.

Which you haven't proven. And which I haven't agreed to anywhere.

Then maybe you should stick to one argument rather than using a shotgun approach to confirm your bias.

If I haven’t proven my point you wouldn’t be arguing against it still.

That’s dumb. You’re a fucking clueless noob.

 

[ding]

^ dunning effect

 

[Taz]

^ clueless noob

 

[ding]

^ still dunning effect

 

[Taz]

^ even more of a clueless noob.

 

[ding]

Like I said before I am happy for everyone to decide for themselves.

 

[Taz]

Like I said before I am happy for everyone to decide for themselves.

Because you're for sure not going to convince anyone.

 

[ding]

Like I said before I am happy for everyone to decide for themselves.

Because you're for sure not going to convince anyone.

Only time will tell.

 

[sealybobo]

That not evidence.

And you are proving to be the kind of Christian I make fun of. It doesn’t matter how good you are. You believe so you think you’re in the club. That’s all Christians have to do is believe.

And be dunked. You’ve been baptized right?

Not for you because you didn't experience it. I did.

Do you mean the type of Christian who has witnessed a transformation in himself? Guilty as charged.

I see that you did agree that you believe religion should be eliminated. How far are you willing to go? Subversion? By force? What?

Education.

I will never do what Christianity did and force everyone under the kings rule to be a catholic or Protestant.

There will always be people who believe in god heaven and hell. It’s superstition. But you see how superstition doesn’t rule our lives like religion does?

Most people are living the way you are supposed to live. If they go to church, which most don’t, they keep it to themselves. It rarely comes up and most people don’t know I’m an atheist and I couldn’t tell you what religion they belong to.

Most Americans in the north east are only Christians because their parents told them they were. But they don’t practice at all. You count a lot of people as members and they are hardly members. And their kids will be agnostics. We see it happening now. Religion is declining naturally. We are evolving very fast on this. Even though the Bible Belt seems like it’s going nowhere it is. People aren’t buying it like they used to.

You have an idealized view of the path not taken. And you might be surprised to find out that the Church tempered the rule of the monarchs too. And lastly, you might be surprised to find out that your view of a future without religion isn't all that you suppose it to be. Only time will tell.

People are less likely to blow people up if they aren’t told a god will reward them.

And regardless. It’s still all lies. There isn’t one real religion. You agree with me about all the other religions just not yours.

Again, let me say you have an idealized view of a path not take. You only believe the pasture on the other side of the fence is greener because you have never been in it.

You have never made an objective analysis of religion because you are incapable of doing so.

Would you like to debate me on that in the bull ring?

No. I can tell you would frustrate me and nothing more.

Global warming is a fact. I don’t debate facts

 

[sealybobo]

Speak for yourself. I have no hole in my life.

Again, I was not speaking of you personally. I can imagine my life without religion and it would be like living this life in a hut instead of in a mansion, or like living one's life in the back yard as opposed to living life on an entire mountain. But...I wouldn't know what else was even possible, would I?

Of course if you believe eternal heaven awaits yes it would suck for you to wake up

 

[sealybobo]

I am not religious and I’m not depressed. I think that’s a false connection. People are depressed because they don’t have money.

I was not speaking of you personally. Guess what? I don't have money, and I'm not depressed. All I pointed out is that the number of teens and young adults suffering from major depression is rising even faster than the general population. You are arguing teens are depressed because their parents aren't giving them enough money? I think there is more to it than that, something more philosophical. Religion is a method of addressing philosophies in this life.

It has been proven that success does not lead to happiness. That happiness leads to success.

A world without meaning will not be a happy world.

What’s the meaning of the human race or deer or elephants?

Can bear be happy? Can dogs be happy? What is their purpose? How about cats? They seem happy without believing in god

 

[sealybobo]

It has been proven that success does not lead to happiness. That happiness leads to success.

A world without meaning will not be a happy world.

Well put.

Is putin happy? Seems pretty happy and successful to me.

 

[sealybobo]

It is totally supported by facts. Red shift, cosmic background radiation, general relativity, quantum mechanics, law of conservation, entropy, etc.

You are the one shitting all over science.

If it's real science, then link it to some. That's how this shit works here. If you don't, it's personal opinion. Know the difference.

https://arxiv.org/vc/arxiv/papers/0806/0806.4085v1.pdf

http://quiet.uchicago.edu/capmap/slaclatex.pdf

Exact solutions of Einstein's equations - Scholarpedia

https://www.researchgate.net/public...quation_by_metric_of_Hyperbolic_3D_Space-time

[1707.04909] Solutions of Einstein Field Equation for an Extra-Dimensional Anisotropic Metric with Two Scale Factors

Good try, but now you need to post not just random links, but a link, or links that support what you claimed in this thread, that there is only one god. Those 4 links don'y prove that.

I say they do. Can you show me where they don’t?

None of them talk about how many god’s there are. Please try again.

There are a small number of Greeks who still believe in the Greek gods.

Christians muslims jews and Mormons can’t laugh just because they joined a new or different cult that chose for obvious reasons to go with one god.

Even god said there were more gods. He said don’t worship them just worship me

 

[sealybobo]

I am not religious and I’m not depressed. I think that’s a false connection. People are depressed because they don’t have money.

I was not speaking of you personally. Guess what? I don't have money, and I'm not depressed. All I pointed out is that the number of teens and young adults suffering from major depression is rising even faster than the general population. You are arguing teens are depressed because their parents aren't giving them enough money? I think there is more to it than that, something more philosophical. Religion is a method of addressing philosophies in this life.

Sure... they get people to meditate on nothingness, or believe that suffering is a virtue or that paradise can only be found after death, and they will become a self negating non-entity who will take tons of crap from the political and religious authorities without question daily for the rest of their lives... the sweat of their brow, thinking, producing only thorns and thistles.

And you think that taking young adults who are drowning in despair over the fact that they are being led like sheep to the slaughter into living lives of insanity can be cured by filling their heads with religious lies until they just give up the ghost and become happy idiots?

Brilliant!

It’s not religion’s fault young people are suffering from despair. It is society’s fault. We have become more materialistic and less spiritual. This is our predictable surprise.

It’s economic opportunity. Give a guy a career he will start and raise a good family.

 

[sealybobo]

A gun is not good or evil. A gun is a tool which can be used for good and evil. Religion is no different.

Yes and just like a gun religion is a man made tool

 

[ding]

Not for you because you didn't experience it. I did.

Do you mean the type of Christian who has witnessed a transformation in himself? Guilty as charged.

I see that you did agree that you believe religion should be eliminated. How far are you willing to go? Subversion? By force? What?

Education.

I will never do what Christianity did and force everyone under the kings rule to be a catholic or Protestant.

There will always be people who believe in god heaven and hell. It’s superstition. But you see how superstition doesn’t rule our lives like religion does?

Most people are living the way you are supposed to live. If they go to church, which most don’t, they keep it to themselves. It rarely comes up and most people don’t know I’m an atheist and I couldn’t tell you what religion they belong to.

Most Americans in the north east are only Christians because their parents told them they were. But they don’t practice at all. You count a lot of people as members and they are hardly members. And their kids will be agnostics. We see it happening now. Religion is declining naturally. We are evolving very fast on this. Even though the Bible Belt seems like it’s going nowhere it is. People aren’t buying it like they used to.

You have an idealized view of the path not taken. And you might be surprised to find out that the Church tempered the rule of the monarchs too. And lastly, you might be surprised to find out that your view of a future without religion isn't all that you suppose it to be. Only time will tell.

People are less likely to blow people up if they aren’t told a god will reward them.

And regardless. It’s still all lies. There isn’t one real religion. You agree with me about all the other religions just not yours.

Again, let me say you have an idealized view of a path not take. You only believe the pasture on the other side of the fence is greener because you have never been in it.

You have never made an objective analysis of religion because you are incapable of doing so.

Would you like to debate me on that in the bull ring?

No. I can tell you would frustrate me and nothing more.

Global warming is a fact. I don’t debate facts

you misspelled beat the crap out of you.

Too late. I already created it.

 

[ding]

A gun is not good or evil. A gun is a tool which can be used for good and evil. Religion is no different.

Yes and just like a gun religion is a man made tool

Never said it wasn’t.

Only one makes the claim of being a revealed religion.

 

[ding]

I am not religious and I’m not depressed. I think that’s a false connection. People are depressed because they don’t have money.

I was not speaking of you personally. Guess what? I don't have money, and I'm not depressed. All I pointed out is that the number of teens and young adults suffering from major depression is rising even faster than the general population. You are arguing teens are depressed because their parents aren't giving them enough money? I think there is more to it than that, something more philosophical. Religion is a method of addressing philosophies in this life.

Sure... they get people to meditate on nothingness, or believe that suffering is a virtue or that paradise can only be found after death, and they will become a self negating non-entity who will take tons of crap from the political and religious authorities without question daily for the rest of their lives... the sweat of their brow, thinking, producing only thorns and thistles.

And you think that taking young adults who are drowning in despair over the fact that they are being led like sheep to the slaughter into living lives of insanity can be cured by filling their heads with religious lies until they just give up the ghost and become happy idiots?

Brilliant!

It’s not religion’s fault young people are suffering from despair. It is society’s fault. We have become more materialistic and less spiritual. This is our predictable surprise.

It’s economic opportunity. Give a guy a career he will start and raise a good family.

No. The standard of living is at an all time high.

 

[ding]

If it's real science, then link it to some. That's how this shit works here. If you don't, it's personal opinion. Know the difference.

https://arxiv.org/vc/arxiv/papers/0806/0806.4085v1.pdf

http://quiet.uchicago.edu/capmap/slaclatex.pdf

Exact solutions of Einstein's equations - Scholarpedia

https://www.researchgate.net/public...quation_by_metric_of_Hyperbolic_3D_Space-time

[1707.04909] Solutions of Einstein Field Equation for an Extra-Dimensional Anisotropic Metric with Two Scale Factors

Good try, but now you need to post not just random links, but a link, or links that support what you claimed in this thread, that there is only one god. Those 4 links don'y prove that.

I say they do. Can you show me where they don’t?

None of them talk about how many god’s there are. Please try again.

There are a small number of Greeks who still believe in the Greek gods.

Christians muslims jews and Mormons can’t laugh just because they joined a new or different cult that chose for obvious reasons to go with one god.

Even god said there were more gods. He said don’t worship them just worship me

Or maybe it was misunderstood what it means.