Should taxpayers fund AIDS drugs?

[OldLady]

We taxpayers already fund the cost of AIDS drugs when the drug companies take deductions from their taxes for the cost of research and manufacture. Those are taxes the government forces the rest of us make up.

And don't forget the exorbitant cost of the drugs themselves. I'm still trying to figure out why in US drugs cost so much more than the same drug in Canada. The actual cost, not the consumer cost, since Canada has universal health insurance.

 

[Wry Catcher]

"Your set uses terms such libtard, dumbocrat, leftist and pejoratives like Commie, Socialist, Statist, moron, stupid and RINO as if they were meaningful" and they are not. 85% of America knows that.

And the 15% seem to be the most fearful of ideas. There is a current TV ad which is mindful of how they react to ideas, and concludes with how the 85% do:

 

[Iceweasel]

Most of AIDS is spread by gay male sex. I posted the evidence earlier for unbelievers. That's not to say some can't go on to give it to females.

Do you want to stop paying for treatment of diabetes or heart disease caused by poor eating choices? Various cancers caused by smoking? STD's? Those are all personal choices we make, as well. If you say yes, fine. You probably won't have a very big following because a lot of us are overweight and occassionally slip up on the careful sex thing, but hey. If you want to stop paying ONLY for AIDS treatment because the patients are predominantly homosexual, that's just hateful.

It's hateful to speak for others so you can talk down to them.

I take care of myself, exercise, eat good and have done so all my life. You see, I believe I am the best one to take care of myself, not you or the medical profession (that practices no prevention) or especially the government. So NO, I don't like paying for everyone's piss poor decision making. If I fuck up and need medicals or treatments I don't expect/demand that others pay.

Insurance would be a lot cheaper without government calling so many shots, especially if, like autos, good drivers could get better rates. Why should I have to pay a drunk's constant car bashing insurance rates?

Once again, when forced to spit it out and make your position clear, you make a point I don't necessarily agree with but at least I understand. I was not speaking down to you; that is entirely in your head. And I agree with you about the functioning of bureaucracies, by the way. Did you know that the government doesn't HAVE to function in a bureaucratic model? They just continue to choose to because they are so tied up in bureaucratic top heaviness that it won't end until it is forced to -- but no one is 'in charge' of them to make them.

At no time have I hidden my beliefs, you didn't interrogate me and find secret treasures I had stashed away. Of course government is bureaucratic, there's no getting around it. It has to be that way because it's employment and security first, the job is secondary. Private companies run on profits, not security. I trust the profit motive far more than I trust the security motive.

There's NO reason for government to do what the private sector can do better. So no, taxpayers should not fund AIDs drugs. Especially when it's preventable in the first place!

for Chrissakes, you're touchy! The government could change its organizational model. If you don't think health insurance is inevitable, I can't think why you believe bureaucracy must be.

I'm a realist and have many dealing with governments, state, local, federal. They are top heavy and bloated. They are not making health insurance more affordable for most folks I've heard from.

 

[Iceweasel]

Hate and fear seems endemic in the 21st Century Conservative.

Very true.

It is almost like they ask themselves: "What would Jesus do?"...and then they do the opposite.

Thanks for pointing out that the true hate mongers are you leftists.

I don't hate anyone. Not the poor, not the working poor, not our diverse population, not even Soros or the Koch Brothers or you. I don't fear any of the above either nor do I envy the very very rich.

To deny Cruz and Trump are not hate and fear mongers is a lie or an instance of temporary insanity.

Your set uses terms such libtard, dumbocrat, leftist and pejoratives like Commie, Socialist, Statist, moron, stupid and RINO as if they were meaningful; yet they represent nothing more than their disagreement with an opinion that challenges them and cannot respond rationally.

Thus, I truly wonder what in the education or life experience created this new 21st. Century iteration of conservative.

My set? Thanks for proving the point. No hateful rhetoric from the left? Or you? You consistently slander all who would disagree with you. You might not consider that hateful but I sure do.

 

[Iceweasel]

We taxpayers already fund the cost of AIDS drugs when the drug companies take deductions from their taxes for the cost of research and manufacture. Those are taxes the government forces the rest of us make up.

And don't forget the exorbitant cost of the drugs themselves. I'm still trying to figure out why in US drugs cost so much more than the same drug in Canada. The actual cost, not the consumer cost, since Canada has universal health insurance.

FDA. They have to grease the rails pretty good and wait a long time before they can put it on the market and cover very very expensive lawsuit litigation.

 

[OldLady]

We taxpayers already fund the cost of AIDS drugs when the drug companies take deductions from their taxes for the cost of research and manufacture. Those are taxes the government forces the rest of us make up.

And don't forget the exorbitant cost of the drugs themselves. I'm still trying to figure out why in US drugs cost so much more than the same drug in Canada. The actual cost, not the consumer cost, since Canada has universal health insurance.

FDA. They have to grease the rails pretty good and wait a long time before they can put it on the market and cover very very expensive lawsuit litigation.

Canada doesn't have an FDA? Canadians don't sue? I know they're famous for being mild mannered and polite, but wow. This is all very interesting. In order to lower health care costs, maybe we need to take a page from the Canadians' book.

 

[Iceweasel]

We taxpayers already fund the cost of AIDS drugs when the drug companies take deductions from their taxes for the cost of research and manufacture. Those are taxes the government forces the rest of us make up.

And don't forget the exorbitant cost of the drugs themselves. I'm still trying to figure out why in US drugs cost so much more than the same drug in Canada. The actual cost, not the consumer cost, since Canada has universal health insurance.

FDA. They have to grease the rails pretty good and wait a long time before they can put it on the market and cover very very expensive lawsuit litigation.

Canada doesn't have an FDA? Canadians don't sue? I know they're famous for being mild mannered and polite, but wow. This is all very interesting. In order to lower health care costs, maybe we need to take a page from the Canadians' book.

But a lot of them come here for treatment IF they can afford it. Due to the fact it can take forever and a day and if you're hurting you want to get fixed up. Lots of Americans go there for drugs if they can get around the laws.

Their system is simpler though, a nurse friend has a doctor that is friends with a Canadian doctor with a similar practice. The Canadian has two assistants for the paperwork. The American has five.

 

[aaronleland]

You DON'T get Cancer sticking your dick up a mans ass.

God, I hope not.

 

[xotoxi]

Why just AIDS though? It isn't really that confusing, no more funding for cures for all STDs.

The problem is that AIDS is a very complicated fatal disease so very expensive to research and fund. If you don't have it and your partner doesn't have it, you can't get it unless you screw around...

...or if you are an EMT or a firefighter who is trying to extricate a bleeding AIDS patient from a car accident.

But then again, they chose their profession, so they have to face the consequences of their actions.

If they are professionals then they already know what to do. Nice try Skippy.

"They know what to do"?

What are you talking about?

If a medical provider accidentally has a finger stick, or they are taking care of someone and has exposure to HIV...and if HIV is no longer being researched (as discussed in this thread)...then these brave lifesavers will die because they will have no treatment.

We were discussing the transmission of AIDS, please pay attention. The point was that no research should be done, who the fuck said we need to outlaw medical research??????

The point was that government shouldn't be taking money and funding it. The best people to create drugs are.....the drug companies! Not government. Government is wildly inefficient and top heavy bureaucratically and has no business trying to save us from all harm that may befall us.

Wrong.

Private companies fund research which result in PROFIT, such as the development of new drugs.

The government helps fund research on diseases thru the NIH. I would be very wary of any medical findings that were published that included for-profit funding.

 

[xotoxi]

The Canadian has two assistants for the paperwork. The American has five.

It's called a single payer system.

 

[Iceweasel]

The problem is that AIDS is a very complicated fatal disease so very expensive to research and fund. If you don't have it and your partner doesn't have it, you can't get it unless you screw around...

...or if you are an EMT or a firefighter who is trying to extricate a bleeding AIDS patient from a car accident.

But then again, they chose their profession, so they have to face the consequences of their actions.

If they are professionals then they already know what to do. Nice try Skippy.

"They know what to do"?

What are you talking about?

If a medical provider accidentally has a finger stick, or they are taking care of someone and has exposure to HIV...and if HIV is no longer being researched (as discussed in this thread)...then these brave lifesavers will die because they will have no treatment.

We were discussing the transmission of AIDS, please pay attention. The point was that no research should be done, who the fuck said we need to outlaw medical research??????

The point was that government shouldn't be taking money and funding it. The best people to create drugs are.....the drug companies! Not government. Government is wildly inefficient and top heavy bureaucratically and has no business trying to save us from all harm that may befall us.

Wrong.

Private companies fund research which result in PROFIT, such as the development of new drugs.

The government helps fund research on diseases thru the NIH. I would be very wary of any medical findings that were published that included for-profit funding.

How am I wrong when that's what I said?

As to your opinion, most medical breakthroughs have come via the private sector so you can be as wary of profits as you want but it doesn't change facts or make profits an impure motive.

 

[Iceweasel]

The Canadian has two assistants for the paperwork. The American has five.

It's called a single payer system.

... as they cross the border if they can afford to.