Should the gop be willing to shut down nonessential govt functions to stop obamacare?

[Soggy in NOLA]

a majority of americans do not want obamacare, the unions don't want it, small business does not want it, big business does not want it,

A majority of Americans want the GOP to quit trying to repeal it. The majority that favor repeal are conservatives who believe the misinformation that they have created about Obamacare.

A clear majority of Americans are opposed to the Republican-led effort to defund Obamacare, a new poll shows.
Fifty-seven percent of Americans say they disapprove of the proposal to cut off funding as a way to stop the implementation of the Affordable Care Act, according to a new survey from the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation.
There are clear partisan divides -- six in 10 Republicans say they approve of the idea, while just 15 percent of Democrats and 39 percent of independents support it.
The current effort to defund Obamacare has driven a wedge in the GOP and ultimately would have little impact on the implementation of the health law, but a passionate contingent of Republicans has nevertheless kept the idea alive.
Majority oppose GOP plan to defund Obamacare, poll finds - CBS News


Members of Congress would have preferred to stay under the FEHBP, but now, they will be receiving subsidies, just like they did before. They do not want you to have what they have, they would rather you continue to struggle with unreliable insurance companies that drop whomever they please, raise premiums whenever they want and make excuses why they can't cover your illness. You should be mad at Congress for not wanting you to have what they have. If they were to succeed in repealing Obamacare, they would go back to FEHBP, while the rest of the country can go back to what I mentioned above.


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Congress has won some partial relief for lawmakers and their staffs from the "Obamacare" health reforms that it passed and subjected itself to three years ago.
In a ruling issued on Wednesday, U.S. lawmakers and their staffs will continue to receive a federal contribution toward the health insurance that they must purchase through soon-to-open exchanges created by President Barack Obama's signature healthcare law.
Congress wins relief on Obamacare health plan subsidies

We have learned that the Republicans in Congress are willing to sacrifice it's own party and the country to satisfy the erroneous policies of a few newcomers.

But, here's your chance. Do you approve of congress exempting themselves from obamacare? yes or no.

They have basically the same coverage now under FEHBP, except for the subsidies, which they have now been guaranteed. Why would they want to opt out?

And why is that my chance? If they are wealthy, they can probably pay a private doctor whatever it charges to take care of them and their family, and they probably have enough money to take care of any hospital expense that would probably put the rest of us at risk.

I really don't care if they are exempt or not. It's about the rest of the country.

WE, the taxpayers are subsidizing a blue ribbon health plan for congress, while congress is forcing the rest of into plans that are worse than what we had, cost more, and provide less coverage.

but I guess you are OK with congress as the monrachy class of the USA.

this is exactly the kind of thing that the founders ran from in europe. and now you silly fuckers want to create a ruling class in the USA while the rest of us are serfs and peons. are you really that stupid?

Yes.

 

[Redfish]

A majority of Americans want the GOP to quit trying to repeal it. The majority that favor repeal are conservatives who believe the misinformation that they have created about Obamacare.

A clear majority of Americans are opposed to the Republican-led effort to defund Obamacare, a new poll shows.
Fifty-seven percent of Americans say they disapprove of the proposal to cut off funding as a way to stop the implementation of the Affordable Care Act, according to a new survey from the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation.
There are clear partisan divides -- six in 10 Republicans say they approve of the idea, while just 15 percent of Democrats and 39 percent of independents support it.
The current effort to defund Obamacare has driven a wedge in the GOP and ultimately would have little impact on the implementation of the health law, but a passionate contingent of Republicans has nevertheless kept the idea alive.
Majority oppose GOP plan to defund Obamacare, poll finds - CBS News


Members of Congress would have preferred to stay under the FEHBP, but now, they will be receiving subsidies, just like they did before. They do not want you to have what they have, they would rather you continue to struggle with unreliable insurance companies that drop whomever they please, raise premiums whenever they want and make excuses why they can't cover your illness. You should be mad at Congress for not wanting you to have what they have. If they were to succeed in repealing Obamacare, they would go back to FEHBP, while the rest of the country can go back to what I mentioned above.


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Congress has won some partial relief for lawmakers and their staffs from the "Obamacare" health reforms that it passed and subjected itself to three years ago.
In a ruling issued on Wednesday, U.S. lawmakers and their staffs will continue to receive a federal contribution toward the health insurance that they must purchase through soon-to-open exchanges created by President Barack Obama's signature healthcare law.
Congress wins relief on Obamacare health plan subsidies

We have learned that the Republicans in Congress are willing to sacrifice it's own party and the country to satisfy the erroneous policies of a few newcomers.


They have basically the same coverage now under FEHBP, except for the subsidies, which they have now been guaranteed. Why would they want to opt out?

And why is that my chance? If they are wealthy, they can probably pay a private doctor whatever it charges to take care of them and their family, and they probably have enough money to take care of any hospital expense that would probably put the rest of us at risk.

I really don't care if they are exempt or not. It's about the rest of the country.

WE, the taxpayers are subsidizing a blue ribbon health plan for congress, while congress is forcing the rest of into plans that are worse than what we had, cost more, and provide less coverage.

but I guess you are OK with congress as the monrachy class of the USA.

this is exactly the kind of thing that the founders ran from in europe. and now you silly fuckers want to create a ruling class in the USA while the rest of us are serfs and peons. are you really that stupid?

Yes.

yeah, I guess they are. Really sad for this great country that half of the citizens want a dictatorial monarchy to care for them.

 

[Mustang]

I can understand it when people reach an incorrect conclusion based on incomplete information or a lack of historical perspective so that they therefore don't truly understand the likely consequences of their actions.

This isn't like that. This is the antithesis of that. There's enough information and historical perspective to predict the likely outcome in terms of public opinion if the GOP chooses this path. But it seems as if they're intend to do it anyway, actually believing it will work in their favor.

No offense, but this is just plain stupidity. Now, let's forget the PR consequences for just one moment to ask ourselves a different question.

Would any of us want people who are apparently this stupid and this clueless running our country?

True, and what's dispiriting is that they could instead pass bill that repeals obamacare and replaces it with something provides all people with the means to access preventive care at no out of pocket cost to themselves, and allows those people w/o employer insurance to buy into a very low cost HC plan that would cover serious, non-chronic, injury and illness. And NOT expand medicaid.

But the bottom line is the TPM do not believe the fed govt has much, if any, biz in making HC affordable by using public taxes to do it. And, that is a politically untenable position for a party if it has any interest in winning national elections.

you are wrong, dog. No one in the USA was denied healthcare before obamacare, NO ONE! Even illegals got it free.

There were a few million (3 or 4) who did not have insurance but wanted it. The govt could have provided those people with free insurance for much less than the obozocare fiasco is going to cost us.

but since not one of the other libs will answer this maybe you will: Do you approve of congress and the administration exempting themselves from obamacare? yes or no.

Thousands of people die every year because of no health care coverage.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The people do not want Obamacare. Hell the Unions are turning on the Dems over the issue. Their Rock Solid Base is ticked off as their people get hurt because of the law.

The House has the Power of the Purse. It is the PEOPLE'S HOUSE. The Founding Fathers did this for a reason. To use it as a Weapon when the Gov't gets out of control or NO LONGER HEARS THE VOICES OF THE PEOPLE.

Use the weapon, and SHUT IT DOWN. No surrender, and no retreat.

Well, according to asa whatever her name is, they( unions) will just have to deal with it and of course, 'they will comply'...

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Requiring them to compete in every state won't matter, because their contracts will only be bound by the regulations of the state they're writing the contracts out of.

This is the same type of irrational argument that cripples our government.

It's only irrational if you don't understand how contracts work.

Contracts are agreed upon PRIOR to being agreed to and since interstate insurance sales have NEVER been allowed YOU are talking out of your ass.

Not suprised however

 

[thereisnospoon]

They have to get it through House and Senate and the President. They've tried 42 times. Time to figure it out, don't you think? It's not going to happen. All that is going to happen is the GOP shutting down the government and getting everyone mad, including Republicans who will be victims of the ramifications - and you will lose badly in 2014.

The GOP has been warned, but alas, they have a hard time learning anything.

a majority of americans do not want obamacare, the unions don't want it, small business does not want it, big business does not want it,

A majority of Americans want the GOP to quit trying to repeal it. The majority that favor repeal are conservatives who believe the misinformation that they have created about Obamacare.

A clear majority of Americans are opposed to the Republican-led effort to defund Obamacare, a new poll shows.
Fifty-seven percent of Americans say they disapprove of the proposal to cut off funding as a way to stop the implementation of the Affordable Care Act, according to a new survey from the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation.
There are clear partisan divides -- six in 10 Republicans say they approve of the idea, while just 15 percent of Democrats and 39 percent of independents support it.
The current effort to defund Obamacare has driven a wedge in the GOP and ultimately would have little impact on the implementation of the health law, but a passionate contingent of Republicans has nevertheless kept the idea alive.
Majority oppose GOP plan to defund Obamacare, poll finds - CBS News


Members of Congress would have preferred to stay under the FEHBP, but now, they will be receiving subsidies, just like they did before. They do not want you to have what they have, they would rather you continue to struggle with unreliable insurance companies that drop whomever they please, raise premiums whenever they want and make excuses why they can't cover your illness. You should be mad at Congress for not wanting you to have what they have. If they were to succeed in repealing Obamacare, they would go back to FEHBP, while the rest of the country can go back to what I mentioned above.


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Congress has won some partial relief for lawmakers and their staffs from the "Obamacare" health reforms that it passed and subjected itself to three years ago.
In a ruling issued on Wednesday, U.S. lawmakers and their staffs will continue to receive a federal contribution toward the health insurance that they must purchase through soon-to-open exchanges created by President Barack Obama's signature healthcare law.
Congress wins relief on Obamacare health plan subsidies

Sorry, but its you dem/libs who have a hard time learning anything.

We have learned that the Republicans in Congress are willing to sacrifice it's own party and the country to satisfy the erroneous policies of a few newcomers.

But, here's your chance. Do you approve of congress exempting themselves from obamacare? yes or no.

They have basically the same coverage now under FEHBP, except for the subsidies, which they have now been guaranteed. Why would they want to opt out?

And why is that my chance? If they are wealthy, they can probably pay a private doctor whatever it charges to take care of them and their family, and they probably have enough money to take care of any hospital expense that would probably put the rest of us at risk.

I really don't care if they are exempt or not. It's about the rest of the country.

Of course you don't care. You're a lib. And libs live by the double standard.
And I have no idea from where you got your data, of course you've shown NONE, but the country is NOT in support of Obamacare.
To be more accurate, those who live off the public dole and those who will receive subsidies are for it. The producing taxpaying Americans that will end up with the crushing bill are opposed.
Shamefully half the people in this country have decided to toss honor, integrity, achievement and hard work out of the window and trade it for social programs and dwindling freedom.

 

[francoHFW]

31-10 for futile GOP suicide- Just shows what brainwashed ignorant whack jobs the GOP voters are on here..LOL

 

[Greenbeard]

Increased local cost of services can increase premiums, but it doesn't change the fact that insurers would flock to the less restrictive jurisdictions.

this really isn't difficult or complicated. Change the law and allow medical insurers to compete in all states, with the provision that they MUST compete in all states and all locations.

Who's responsible for regulation and oversight of them? The federal government?

 

[Polk]

Increased local cost of services can increase premiums, but it doesn't change the fact that insurers would flock to the less restrictive jurisdictions.

this really isn't difficult or complicated. Change the law and allow medical insurers to compete in all states, with the provision that they MUST compete in all states and all locations.

Who's responsible for regulation and oversight of them? The federal government?

 

[Darkwind]

Yes or no and what do you believe the ramifications would be? And I don't mean lost elections. Individual political seats are not more important than the health (not medical) of our nation as a whole.
The dems screamed the sky was falling when the thought of sequester wasmentioned. Reality showed different.

Im sick of the gop being forced to "go along" just to keep the gun away from their heads. This is a bipartisan mess overall and im sick of the dems getting a free pass. If the govt shuts down it will be because BOTH sides refused to compromise. BOTH

Congress is there to fulfill the will of the people not FUCKING KING OBAMA.

I say fuck these stupid games and play hardball. Sadly I don't think Boehner has the spine required to do what's right.

If you write legislation that funds all of the government with the exception of obamacare, and the Democrats reject this bill which leads to government not being able to conduct business, then that would be the Democrats failing to work with the GOP.

There is no requirement for the GOP to do exactly as the Democrats wish.

The fault, and blame will rest with the Democrats. If only they would work with the GOP, eh?

 

[Polk]

Yes or no and what do you believe the ramifications would be? And I don't mean lost elections. Individual political seats are not more important than the health (not medical) of our nation as a whole.
The dems screamed the sky was falling when the thought of sequester wasmentioned. Reality showed different.

Im sick of the gop being forced to "go along" just to keep the gun away from their heads. This is a bipartisan mess overall and im sick of the dems getting a free pass. If the govt shuts down it will be because BOTH sides refused to compromise. BOTH

Congress is there to fulfill the will of the people not FUCKING KING OBAMA.

I say fuck these stupid games and play hardball. Sadly I don't think Boehner has the spine required to do what's right.

If you write legislation that funds all of the government with the exception of obamacare, and the Democrats reject this bill which leads to government not being able to conduct business, then that would be the Democrats failing to work with the GOP.

There is no requirement for the GOP to do exactly as the Democrats wish.

The fault, and blame will rest with the Democrats. If only they would work with the GOP, eh?

You make those statements as if they are based in fact, but it's a pure opinion. It's just as accurate to say the GOP won't work with Democrats, since they're placing a provision in the bill that they know the Senate will never agree to and that the President will never sign.

 

[Mertex]

a majority of americans do not want obamacare, the unions don't want it, small business does not want it, big business does not want it,

A majority of Americans want the GOP to quit trying to repeal it. The majority that favor repeal are conservatives who believe the misinformation that they have created about Obamacare.

A clear majority of Americans are opposed to the Republican-led effort to defund Obamacare, a new poll shows.
Fifty-seven percent of Americans say they disapprove of the proposal to cut off funding as a way to stop the implementation of the Affordable Care Act, according to a new survey from the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation.
There are clear partisan divides -- six in 10 Republicans say they approve of the idea, while just 15 percent of Democrats and 39 percent of independents support it.
The current effort to defund Obamacare has driven a wedge in the GOP and ultimately would have little impact on the implementation of the health law, but a passionate contingent of Republicans has nevertheless kept the idea alive.
Majority oppose GOP plan to defund Obamacare, poll finds - CBS News


Members of Congress would have preferred to stay under the FEHBP, but now, they will be receiving subsidies, just like they did before. They do not want you to have what they have, they would rather you continue to struggle with unreliable insurance companies that drop whomever they please, raise premiums whenever they want and make excuses why they can't cover your illness. You should be mad at Congress for not wanting you to have what they have. If they were to succeed in repealing Obamacare, they would go back to FEHBP, while the rest of the country can go back to what I mentioned above.


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Congress has won some partial relief for lawmakers and their staffs from the "Obamacare" health reforms that it passed and subjected itself to three years ago.
In a ruling issued on Wednesday, U.S. lawmakers and their staffs will continue to receive a federal contribution toward the health insurance that they must purchase through soon-to-open exchanges created by President Barack Obama's signature healthcare law.
Congress wins relief on Obamacare health plan subsidies

We have learned that the Republicans in Congress are willing to sacrifice it's own party and the country to satisfy the erroneous policies of a few newcomers.

But, here's your chance. Do you approve of congress exempting themselves from obamacare? yes or no.

They have basically the same coverage now under FEHBP, except for the subsidies, which they have now been guaranteed. Why would they want to opt out?

And why is that my chance? If they are wealthy, they can probably pay a private doctor whatever it charges to take care of them and their family, and they probably have enough money to take care of any hospital expense that would probably put the rest of us at risk.

I really don't care if they are exempt or not. It's about the rest of the country.

Of course you don't care. You're a lib. And libs live by the double standard.

How is that a double standard? They're not exempt, so it's a moot question to begin with.

And I have no idea from where you got your data, of course you've shown NONE, but the country is NOT in support of Obamacare.

Considering all the damaging and erroneous information being put out by your party, it's no wonder. But I didn't say that it was, did I? I said more Americans are against the GOP's effort to repeal it. Maybe you better read my post again, no?

To be more accurate, those who live off the public dole and those who will receive subsidies are for it. The producing taxpaying Americans that will end up with the crushing bill are opposed.

No, those who are tired of paying umpteen dollars in tax money to support those that can afford health care but don't buy it but instead go to the ER for their care are in favor of it. Those who don't care whether people have adequate health care unless they can afford the high prices, or don't care if people are dying because they don't receive proper health care are against it. Which it appears you are one of them.

Shamefully half the people in this country have decided to toss honor, integrity, achievement and hard work out of the window and trade it for social programs and dwindling freedom.

It's not a social program, people are having to buy health care insurance, it isn't free, unless you are talking about the poor who truly can't afford it. Oh, yes, I know you don't care, because you have yours and you don't care about anyone else.

 

[Mertex]

The GOP seems to be on a suicide mission. Even the WSJ recognizes the foolishness and futile attempt. Too bad for the GOP.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/313640-wall-street-journal-gop-on-kamikaze-mission.html#post7853402

 

[candycorn]

A lot of suicidal Republicans here...great.

 

[whitehall]

What do you mean by "ramifications"? Defunding Obamacare would not have any effect on "services", essential or nonessential.

 

[Mertex]

What do you mean by "ramifications"? Defunding Obamacare would not have any effect on "services", essential or nonessential.

I guess you're not up to date on the whole issue, eh? They can't just defund Obamacare, they'll have to shut down the government in order to try and do that, and even at that, I'm not sure they'll be able to do so. The ramifications would come from doing that, and if you don't know what those are, you might want to check them out before thinking it's all just going to be a cakewalk.

 

[TooTall]

Increased local cost of services can increase premiums, but it doesn't change the fact that insurers would flock to the less restrictive jurisdictions.

this really isn't difficult or complicated. Change the law and allow medical insurers to compete in all states, with the provision that they MUST compete in all states and all locations.

Who's responsible for regulation and oversight of them? The federal government?

All states have an insurance commissioner.

 

[Mac1958]

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I've got a dumb question here, but I'd love an answer.

So according to the poll, most respondents say shutting down much of the government to stop Obamacare would be worth any ramifications, I assume political. So let's walk through what I think you're saying:

1. Much of the government is shut down, the shit hits the fan
2. The Dems can point at the GOP and say, "they did it"
3. The GOP says "yeah, we did it, we don't care about the consequences"
4. The consequences are that an angry public votes a bunch of Republicans out
5. Now there are more Dems and they have more power
6. These new Dems team with the old Dems and come up with all kinds of new shit the GOP hates
7. The GOP is powerless to stop it, since they fell on the sword over Obamacare

Is that what we're saying here? That this act of defiance is worth handing even more power to the Dems?

.

 

[mudwhistle]

A better questions is, is Obama willing to shut the government down over Obamacare?

I think he is because he feels that the GOP will get blamed.

So the only shutdowns will be at the hands of Obama and the obstructionist Democrats, not the GOP. The GOP has made no decision to shut anything down because it is not within their power to do so. The House has continued to govern while Democrats have decided not to. The House has continued to vote for and submit budgets for the last several years and the Democrat controlled Senate has not. Obama has submitted ridiculous budget proposals that nobody will vote for, so we're stuck with a series of continuing resolutions rather than budgets to keep the government running. This has never been done before.

Basically, the Dems and the White House have decided that they will use the budget as a foil to attack and to undermine their opposition. They haven't governed, just acted politically.

The Dems decided to exempt themselves from Obamacare and they think they can impose it on the rest of us. This is the ultimate of hypocrisy.

 

[theHawk]

What do you mean by "ramifications"? Defunding Obamacare would not have any effect on "services", essential or nonessential.

I guess you're not up to date on the whole issue, eh? They can't just defund Obamacare, they'll have to shut down the government in order to try and do that, and even at that, I'm not sure they'll be able to do so. The ramifications would come from doing that, and if you don't know what those are, you might want to check them out before thinking it's all just going to be a cakewalk.

Nothing has to shut down. They can fully fund the rest of the government and just not Obamacare.

Its the D-bags that will refuse to sign any budget that doesn't include Obamacare. If the government shuts down it is totally the fault of D-bags. They would rather see the entire government and military shut down than admit that the American people don't want Obamacare. They don't give a shit about the will of the American people, its only their progressive agenda that matters.