Should the GOP mention that hillary is married to the Waco mass murderer?

[peach174]

Should the GOP mention that they squandered trillions of our tax dollars on invading and torturing Iraq over lies?

Do you have proof that the WMD's were not shipped over to Syria before we invaded?

 

[JoeB131]

Was your favorite game in HS dodge ball?

You focus on the bad that some have done because of their "religion." But the good far outstrips the bad. Take away all the charities that were driven by religious groups and see what you have. Take away the places of higher education that were started by religious groups. Take away the hospitals. I think if you did your view on religion may change.

We could have hospitals without a bunch of superstitious fools out there. Hippocrates and Galen were practicing real medicine long before someone made up Jesus.

Look at the Davidians before the raid, who exactly were they hurting? Yes, the pedophilia angle needs to be pushed to vilify them but that aside who besides their members were they hurting? And the raid was no conducted to "save the children" or to save women from being his wife. The truth is they were helping people of all persuadation, black, white, Hispanic all colors.

You mean other than they were selling a shitload of guns to shady characters at gun shows (which is what the ATF was upset about) they were also molesting kids.

Oh, yeah, Koresh was also cheating the welfare system by having the mothers of his baby messiahs collect welfare checks that he spent on new guitars.

Swell guy you've picked as a hero.

Now if there was a weapons problem then all the ATF had to do is go to the gun shows and see the weapons then BAM arrest those involved. Or as stated they could have arrested them all at the local WalMart. The bottom line, this didn't have to happen and religion played little part in it prior to the raid.

Koresh was a whack, and he needed to go to prison. And, yeah, the ATF handled this badly. Absolutely.

Doesn't take away from the fact he was a gun-runner and pedophile.

 

[Contumacious]

You mean other than they were selling a shitload of guns to shady characters at gun shows (which is what the ATF was upset about) they were also molesting kids.

Oh, yeah, Koresh was also cheating the welfare system by having the mothers of his baby messiahs collect welfare checks that he spent on new guitars.

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Bullshit .

Why can't you be a man an admit that you know that none of that nonsense is true. That you want to believe it because you can't handle the truth ...that our government is a continuing criminal enterprise.

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[blackhawk]

The raid on the Koresh compound was ill conceived and poorly executed as was the standoff that followed but the person responsible for the fire and deaths was David Koresh. The longer that situation dragged on the clearer it became he was not going to surrender or be taken alive it was not a question of if this would end badly just when.

 

[JoeB131]

You mean other than they were selling a shitload of guns to shady characters at gun shows (which is what the ATF was upset about) they were also molesting kids.

Oh, yeah, Koresh was also cheating the welfare system by having the mothers of his baby messiahs collect welfare checks that he spent on new guitars.

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Bullshit .

Why can't you be a man an admit that you know that none of that nonsense is true. That you want to believe it because you can't handle the truth ...that our government is a continuing criminal enterprise.

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Guy, Koresh was scum.

 

[Contumacious]

You mean other than they were selling a shitload of guns to shady characters at gun shows (which is what the ATF was upset about) they were also molesting kids.

Oh, yeah, Koresh was also cheating the welfare system by having the mothers of his baby messiahs collect welfare checks that he spent on new guitars.

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Bullshit .

Why can't you be a man an admit that you know that none of that nonsense is true. That you want to believe it because you can't handle the truth ...that our government is a continuing criminal enterprise.

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Guy, Koresh was scum.

Bullshit .

Why can't you be a man an admit that you know that none of that nonsense is true. That you want to believe it because you can't handle the truth ...that our government is a continuing criminal enterprise.

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[Freewill]

Was your favorite game in HS dodge ball?

You focus on the bad that some have done because of their "religion." But the good far outstrips the bad. Take away all the charities that were driven by religious groups and see what you have. Take away the places of higher education that were started by religious groups. Take away the hospitals. I think if you did your view on religion may change.

We could have hospitals without a bunch of superstitious fools out there. Hippocrates and Galen were practicing real medicine long before someone made up Jesus.

Don't see where anyone mention A religion, you are letting your bigotry show. OR is it that you know that Christianity is responsible for the most good done in the world? Either way the hospitals and schools were not started by anyone other then religious groups, "could have" is the same as "didn't.:

Look at the Davidians before the raid, who exactly were they hurting? Yes, the pedophilia angle needs to be pushed to vilify them but that aside who besides their members were they hurting? And the raid was no conducted to "save the children" or to save women from being his wife. The truth is they were helping people of all persuadation, black, white, Hispanic all colors.

You mean other than they were selling a shitload of guns to shady characters at gun shows (which is what the ATF was upset about) they were also molesting kids.

Oh, yeah, Koresh was also cheating the welfare system by having the mothers of his baby messiahs collect welfare checks that he spent on new guitars.

Swell guy you've picked as a hero.

Well a lot is said about him and I can assume a lot is true. And no one is holding him up as any sort of hero, saying that is just bad manners on your part. But an objective source of information may be the Texas' division of youth services which investigated group and found nothing. This is just BS to deflect from what the government did. It is just propaganda designed to try and make us hate the Davidians thus making it easier to accept that the government's raid caused the death of the very CHILDREN that his smear implies protection. Pretty damn hypocritical to be the shooting guns through a building then claim concern "for the children."

Now if there was a weapons problem then all the ATF had to do is go to the gun shows and see the weapons then BAM arrest those involved. Or as stated they could have arrested them all at the local WalMart. The bottom line, this didn't have to happen and religion played little part in it prior to the raid.

Koresh was a whack, and he needed to go to prison. And, yeah, the ATF handled this badly. Absolutely.

Doesn't take away from the fact he was a gun-runner and pedophile.

NO, it doesn't take away the fact that you say he was. Once again without a link or any sort of backing.

 

[JoeB131]

Bullshit .

Why can't you be a man an admit that you know that none of that nonsense is true. That you want to believe it because you can't handle the truth ...that our government is a continuing criminal enterprise.

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Guy, Koresh was scum.

Bullshit .

Why can't you be a man an admit that you know that none of that nonsense is true. That you want to believe it because you can't handle the truth ...that our government is a continuing criminal enterprise.

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Big fonts don't make your argument impressive.

Koresh did molest kids.
Koresh did cheat the welfare system.
Koresh did stockpile guns.
Koresh did tell his brainwashed followers to kill themselves and they did.

 

[Contumacious]

Guy, Koresh was scum.

Bullshit .

Why can't you be a man an admit that you know that none of that nonsense is true. That you want to believe it because you can't handle the truth ...that our government is a continuing criminal enterprise.

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Big fonts don't make your argument impressive.

Koresh did molest kids.
Koresh did cheat the welfare system.
Koresh did stockpile guns.
Koresh did tell his brainwashed followers to kill themselves and they did.

Small fonts and repeating bullshit doesn't make your argument valid.

ALL THOSE ISSUES ARE LOCAL either handled by the State or County. McLennan County authorities investigated them and found them to be baseless.

Koresch had a BATF LICENSE to remodel and sell firearms so of course he stockpiled them.

ALL AMERICANS HAVE A RIGHT TO STOCKPILE FIREARMS IN ORDER TO DEFEND THEMSELVES . ALL AMERICANS.

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[Vigilante]

Should the GOP mention that they squandered trillions of our tax dollars on invading and torturing Iraq over lies?

Do you have proof that the WMD's were not shipped over to Syria before we invaded?

This Gentleman, one of Saddam's generals, in charge of the exit of WMD from Iraq to Syria, says they were shipped to Syria, and just happened to be stored in the area where Israel bombed Syria's nuclear reactor on Sept. 6, 2007!

 

[JoeB131]

Bullshit .

Why can't you be a man an admit that you know that none of that nonsense is true. That you want to believe it because you can't handle the truth ...that our government is a continuing criminal enterprise.

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Big fonts don't make your argument impressive.

Koresh did molest kids.
Koresh did cheat the welfare system.
Koresh did stockpile guns.
Koresh did tell his brainwashed followers to kill themselves and they did.

Small fonts and repeating bullshit doesn't make your argument valid.

ALL THOSE ISSUES ARE LOCAL either handled by the State or County. McLennan County authorities investigated them and found them to be baseless.

Koresch had a BATF LICENSE to remodel and sell firearms so of course he stockpiled them.

ALL AMERICANS HAVE A RIGHT TO STOCKPILE FIREARMS IN ORDER TO DEFEND THEMSELVES . ALL AMERICANS.

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If he had a ATF license then he should expect the ATF to stop buy and do inspections to make sure he wasn't in violation.

Not shoot at them when they came to the door!

And, no, just because you think there's a right to an arsenal doesn't make it so.

 

[Dr Grump]

At the end of the day Koresh said he was God and was fucked in the head. He should have done as the ATF asked, and if they had been shown to be out of line, sued their arses and become a millionaire (if he was in the right). Instead he decided to go Death By Cop. Unfortunately he took a lot of people with him.

You know, all you Koresh lovers need to consider this - there was a precedent for this kind of thing. It happened in Guyana in 1978 and was put in motion by a guy called Jim Jones. How did that work out for everybody?

 

[Freewill]

At the end of the day Koresh said he was God and was fucked in the head. He should have done as the ATF asked, and if they had been shown to be out of line, sued their arses and become a millionaire (if he was in the right). Instead he decided to go Death By Cop. Unfortunately he took a lot of people with him.

You know, all you Koresh lovers need to consider this - there was a precedent for this kind of thing. It happened in Guyana in 1978 and was put in motion by a guy called Jim Jones. How did that work out for everybody?

Why must the logic fallacy that if a person thinks that the government overreached in the initial assault and the final days equates to loving Koresh? Why must you argue from the absurd?

Tell me, if you are the ATF and you go to raid someone you think is a real threat do you do it after you know your cover is blown?

Tell me, if those inside start firing at you do you then go on their roof, fire indiscriminately into the window and then attack through the window? That can be clearly seen on the videos as exactly what the ATF did. They went there not thinking that anyone would stand up to the might of the government. That anyone would stand up to an unarmed man being shot as he talked to the ATF from the front door. That an unarmed man would be shot and killed as he walked down a hallway. Yes, the Davidians were on the far side of sanity in their fear of the government but when the government is on the far side of totalitarianism then it is the perfect storm. We should EXPECT our government to be smarter then what the ATF displayed. We expect accountability when they are not, this didn't happen. We should DEMAND accountability so this type of thing does not happen again.

Government accountability never happened thus no one will ever be satisfied.

 

[Freewill]

Big fonts don't make your argument impressive.

Koresh did molest kids.
Koresh did cheat the welfare system.
Koresh did stockpile guns.
Koresh did tell his brainwashed followers to kill themselves and they did.

Small fonts and repeating bullshit doesn't make your argument valid.

ALL THOSE ISSUES ARE LOCAL either handled by the State or County. McLennan County authorities investigated them and found them to be baseless.

Koresch had a BATF LICENSE to remodel and sell firearms so of course he stockpiled them.

ALL AMERICANS HAVE A RIGHT TO STOCKPILE FIREARMS IN ORDER TO DEFEND THEMSELVES . ALL AMERICANS.

.

If he had a ATF license then he should expect the ATF to stop buy and do inspections to make sure he wasn't in violation.

Not shoot at them when they came to the door!

And, no, just because you think there's a right to an arsenal doesn't make it so.

So, the alternate to stopping by or going to gun shows and seeing what they are selling is loading a cattle car full of para-military types and stop by for a visit? Really?

The ATF fired first and they brought the fight to the Davidians.

 

[LilOlLady]

for some reason the fool repubs don't talk about it but it's a fact that bill clinton killed 80 some americans at waco in 1993. Burned them alive - including 30 kids. And then he threw the survivors in prison so they wouldn't talk.

This is no conspiracy theory. Everyone agrees clinton did this and hillary is married to this psychopath. I say bring it up.

wtfffffffff?

 

[Contumacious]

Big fonts don't make your argument impressive.

Koresh did molest kids.
Koresh did cheat the welfare system.
Koresh did stockpile guns.
Koresh did tell his brainwashed followers to kill themselves and they did.

Small fonts and repeating bullshit doesn't make your argument valid.

ALL THOSE ISSUES ARE LOCAL either handled by the State or County. McLennan County authorities investigated them and found them to be baseless.

Koresch had a BATF LICENSE to remodel and sell firearms so of course he stockpiled them.

ALL AMERICANS HAVE A RIGHT TO STOCKPILE FIREARMS IN ORDER TO DEFEND THEMSELVES . ALL AMERICANS.

.

If he had a ATF license then he should expect the ATF to stop buy and do inspections to make sure he wasn't in violation.

Not shoot at them when they came to the door!

And, no, just because you think there's a right to an arsenal doesn't make it so.

Excuse me retard, the BATF had no right to bring an invading army with helicopters shooting from above, to an "inspection".

And just because you are a parasitic government supremacist does not mean that the right to defend ourselves and stockpile firearms has been abolished.

 

[JoeB131]

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So, the alternate to stopping by or going to gun shows and seeing what they are selling is loading a cattle car full of para-military types and stop by for a visit? Really?

The ATF fired first and they brought the fight to the Davidians.

Um, gee, it would seem to me that the ATF didn't bring enough firepower to the fight.

We are talking about an insane cult full of people where ex-members told some really scary stories about what was going on in there.

These were people who were arming themselves for the end of the world. This is not the guy selling a sawed off shotgun at a gun show.

 

[JoeB131]

Excuse me retard, the BATF had no right to bring an invading army with helicopters shooting from above, to an "inspection".

And just because you are a parasitic government supremacist does not mean that the right to defend ourselves and stockpile firearms has been abolished.

Guy, I'm a lot more worried about one of you freaks who hears voices in your head having guns than I am about the government.

 

[Contumacious]

Excuse me retard, the BATF had no right to bring an invading army with helicopters shooting from above, to an "inspection".

And just because you are a parasitic government supremacist does not mean that the right to defend ourselves and stockpile firearms has been abolished.

Guy, I'm a lot more worried about one of you freaks who hears voices in your head having guns than I am about the government.

It is a typical reaction of those who are clinically depressed , suicidal , or whose minds have been enslaved or brainwashed to support tyranny.

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[Freewill]

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So, the alternate to stopping by or going to gun shows and seeing what they are selling is loading a cattle car full of para-military types and stop by for a visit? Really?

The ATF fired first and they brought the fight to the Davidians.

Um, gee, it would seem to me that the ATF didn't bring enough firepower to the fight.

We are talking about an insane cult full of people where ex-members told some really scary stories about what was going on in there.

These were people who were arming themselves for the end of the world. This is not the guy selling a sawed off shotgun at a gun show.

So your answer is they just didn't kill enough, wow.

Even if the people were insane that does not give the government the right to just kill them. There were MANY alternatives. Again, I ask, why were the ATF on the roof bashing in windows and attacking? Apparently they didn't fear getting shot.