Should We Take Back Former ISIS US Citizens?

[Bruce_T_Laney]

I think we should if they denounce ISIS, face court procedings for joining a terrorist organization, do their time and show no criminal activity, I would say take them back but keep an eye on them.

Any other opinions? Please do the poll.

U.S.-born ISIS bride thinks she 'deserves a second chance'

No, she joined the enemy so she stays there where she belongs!

Sorry, but when you join the enemy you lose your right to be a citizen!

 

[pknopp]

I think we should if they denounce ISIS, face court procedings for joining a terrorist organization, do their time and show no criminal activity, I would say take them back but keep an eye on them.

Any other opinions? Please do the poll.

U.S.-born ISIS bride thinks she 'deserves a second chance'

No, she joined the enemy so she stays there where she belongs!

Sorry, but when you join the enemy you lose your right to be a citizen!

No you don't but it appears that she may have never been one.

 

[Zorro!]

I think we should if they denounce ISIS, face court procedings for joining a terrorist organization, do their time and show no criminal activity, I would say take them back but keep an eye on them.

Any other opinions? Please do the poll.

U.S.-born ISIS bride thinks she 'deserves a second chance'

No, she joined the enemy so she stays there where she belongs!

Sorry, but when you join the enemy you lose your right to be a citizen!

Yup. Now her family, if they want to help her, will need to leave the US.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

I think we should if they denounce ISIS, face court procedings for joining a terrorist organization, do their time and show no criminal activity, I would say take them back but keep an eye on them.

Any other opinions? Please do the poll.

U.S.-born ISIS bride thinks she 'deserves a second chance'

No, she joined the enemy so she stays there where she belongs!

Sorry, but when you join the enemy you lose your right to be a citizen!

No you don't but it appears that she may have never been one.

Bullshit, and she went over there knowing who she was joining and if she denounced her citizenship and joined the enemy then yes she loses her right as a damn citizen!

She is never coming back here!

 

[pknopp]

I think we should if they denounce ISIS, face court procedings for joining a terrorist organization, do their time and show no criminal activity, I would say take them back but keep an eye on them.

Any other opinions? Please do the poll.

U.S.-born ISIS bride thinks she 'deserves a second chance'

No, she joined the enemy so she stays there where she belongs!

Sorry, but when you join the enemy you lose your right to be a citizen!

No you don't but it appears that she may have never been one.

Bullshit, and she went over there knowing who she was joining and if she denounced her citizenship and joined the enemy then yes she loses her right as a damn citizen!

She is never coming back here!

You can change your argument but you can't call mine B.S. and then change the argument. I was right and you acknowledged that by changing yours. I don't know why people do this. Could you explain?

She may not come back but that would be because it has been determined that she was the offspring of a diplomat. The one exception to the born rule.

 

[Zorro!]

I think we should if they denounce ISIS, face court procedings for joining a terrorist organization, do their time and show no criminal activity, I would say take them back but keep an eye on them.

Any other opinions? Please do the poll.

U.S.-born ISIS bride thinks she 'deserves a second chance'

No, she joined the enemy so she stays there where she belongs!

Sorry, but when you join the enemy you lose your right to be a citizen!

No you don't but it appears that she may have never been one.

She was the willing "wife" to a series of terrorists, in the process produced a son.

She was a confident terrorist then:

I proved it to her, by sending her a smiling high school graduation photograph of herself. That’s when Muthana threatened me for the first time.

“If I see that photo online. I will get someone to kill you,” she texted me back.

Muthana fled her Hoover, Alabama, home in 2014 to join ISIS in Syria where she was a willing member of the brutal terror group.

During her life with ISIS she relentlessly pushed the terror group’s ideology and propaganda, the key to its ability to inspire violence worldwide.

With a chatty ease, Muthana tweeted for her Muslim “sisters” in the US to join her in Syria and denounced her own father on Instagram. She shared photos claiming ISIS provided her with lavish apartments and powerful weapons. She memorialized her ISIS-provided husbands, killed in battle. She praised the deaths of Americans at ISIS’s hands and encouraged vehicular attacks worldwide. She encouraged horrific attacks that have killed thousands of people around the world — including dozens in the very nation she wants to call home once again.

Muthana sent her first tweet from ISIS territory shortly after arriving there. In it, she and three other new women ISIS members hold their passports from the US, Australia, the United Kingdom, and Canada. She wrote that they were about to burn them in a bonfire.

In the following weeks, Muthana began tweeting about her life and encouraged others to make the journey — which she, like many other ISIS members, referred to as a hijrah, meaning pilgrimage or immigration — and join the terror group themselves. It was a typical ISIS recruitment tactic, intended to show people they had nothing to fear.

Muthana particularly encouraged other Americans to join ISIS.

On Dec. 20, 2014 — less than a month after she arrived in Syria — Muthana married 23-year-old Suhan Rahman, an Australian known as Abu Jihad al-Australi. After her marriage, she took on the new kunya, or nom-de-guerre, “Umm Jihad” — or “Mother of jihad.”

Muthana said Rahman was killed in battle on March 17, 2015 — they had been married for less than three months. On March 18, she tweeted a photo of her husband's corpse, glorifying his death and calling herself “content.” (She tweeted out the unblurred image.)

Muthana and her friend and fellow ISIS widow, Australian Zehra Duman — who, like Muthana, is now trying to return to her home country — tweeted to each other about their jealousy that their husbands were "martyred" before they were.

Around the same time, Duman tagged Muthana in photos posted on Twitter. Muthana confirmed that she was one of the women holding rifles and, per Duman’s caption, “thirsty for blood.”

March 19, 2015, Muthana posted a series of tweets encouraging terrorist attacks on the US.

In these tweets, she urged those unable to travel to ISIS-controlled territory to expand the “Khilafah,” or caliphate, in their homelands, and urged her followers to terrorize the “kuffar” — a derogatory word used by ISIS supporters to describe non-Muslims.

She specifically called for mass vehicular attacks on Americans during public gatherings — a strategy that, although not new, has been used by terrorists who’ve sworn allegiance to ISIS and then maimed and killed across the world. The most notable example of this was the 2016 Bastille Day attacks in Nice, France, that left 86 dead and more than 430 wounded. A truck attack linked to ISIS killed eight people in Manhattan in 2017.

She also specifically encouraged her followers to "take down" then-president Barack Obama.

And she told her followers to DM her if they were able to send money to support the mujahideen — the word ISIS members use to describe their soldiers.

After her husband's death, Muthana made several posts memorializing him and changed her profile picture to an image of him at prayer.

There was also this message, directing people to her new Snapchat account.

Soon after this, she changed her Twitter handle from @ZumarulJannah to @Baqiyah28.

In her first tweets, she said that she was afraid she would be suspended because she was too irhabi — the Arabic word for terrorist — and that the platform didn't want her recruiting.

Days after, Muthana created an Ask.fm account to answer user-submitted questions, many of which appeared to be from women asking for advice about how to travel to the Syria. She also boasted that ISIS would make America a “land of shariah [sic]” — a place where Islamic religious laws and governance would be put into practice — and defended the group's attacks on the innocent.

she criticized a prominent conservative Muslim scholar who publicly denounced ISIS, writing that America needed more Muslims like the Boston marathon bombers, who killed four people (including an MIT police officer three days after the bombings) and injured and maimed hundreds.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/hoda-muthana-isis-instagram-twitter-tumblr-alabama

 

[pknopp]

Sorry, who is arguing all of that? No one is arguing that she didn't go and do all of that.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

I think we should if they denounce ISIS, face court procedings for joining a terrorist organization, do their time and show no criminal activity, I would say take them back but keep an eye on them.

Any other opinions? Please do the poll.

U.S.-born ISIS bride thinks she 'deserves a second chance'

No, she joined the enemy so she stays there where she belongs!

Sorry, but when you join the enemy you lose your right to be a citizen!

No you don't but it appears that she may have never been one.

She was the willing "wife" to a series of terrorists, in the process produced a son.

She was a confident terrorist then:

I proved it to her, by sending her a smiling high school graduation photograph of herself. That’s when Muthana threatened me for the first time.

“If I see that photo online. I will get someone to kill you,” she texted me back.

Muthana fled her Hoover, Alabama, home in 2014 to join ISIS in Syria where she was a willing member of the brutal terror group.

During her life with ISIS she relentlessly pushed the terror group’s ideology and propaganda, the key to its ability to inspire violence worldwide.

With a chatty ease, Muthana tweeted for her Muslim “sisters” in the US to join her in Syria and denounced her own father on Instagram. She shared photos claiming ISIS provided her with lavish apartments and powerful weapons. She memorialized her ISIS-provided husbands, killed in battle. She praised the deaths of Americans at ISIS’s hands and encouraged vehicular attacks worldwide. She encouraged horrific attacks that have killed thousands of people around the world — including dozens in the very nation she wants to call home once again.

Muthana sent her first tweet from ISIS territory shortly after arriving there. In it, she and three other new women ISIS members hold their passports from the US, Australia, the United Kingdom, and Canada. She wrote that they were about to burn them in a bonfire.

In the following weeks, Muthana began tweeting about her life and encouraged others to make the journey — which she, like many other ISIS members, referred to as a hijrah, meaning pilgrimage or immigration — and join the terror group themselves. It was a typical ISIS recruitment tactic, intended to show people they had nothing to fear.

Muthana particularly encouraged other Americans to join ISIS.

On Dec. 20, 2014 — less than a month after she arrived in Syria — Muthana married 23-year-old Suhan Rahman, an Australian known as Abu Jihad al-Australi. After her marriage, she took on the new kunya, or nom-de-guerre, “Umm Jihad” — or “Mother of jihad.”

Muthana said Rahman was killed in battle on March 17, 2015 — they had been married for less than three months. On March 18, she tweeted a photo of her husband's corpse, glorifying his death and calling herself “content.” (She tweeted out the unblurred image.)

Muthana and her friend and fellow ISIS widow, Australian Zehra Duman — who, like Muthana, is now trying to return to her home country — tweeted to each other about their jealousy that their husbands were "martyred" before they were.

Around the same time, Duman tagged Muthana in photos posted on Twitter. Muthana confirmed that she was one of the women holding rifles and, per Duman’s caption, “thirsty for blood.”

March 19, 2015, Muthana posted a series of tweets encouraging terrorist attacks on the US.

In these tweets, she urged those unable to travel to ISIS-controlled territory to expand the “Khilafah,” or caliphate, in their homelands, and urged her followers to terrorize the “kuffar” — a derogatory word used by ISIS supporters to describe non-Muslims.

She specifically called for mass vehicular attacks on Americans during public gatherings — a strategy that, although not new, has been used by terrorists who’ve sworn allegiance to ISIS and then maimed and killed across the world. The most notable example of this was the 2016 Bastille Day attacks in Nice, France, that left 86 dead and more than 430 wounded. A truck attack linked to ISIS killed eight people in Manhattan in 2017.

She also specifically encouraged her followers to "take down" then-president Barack Obama.

And she told her followers to DM her if they were able to send money to support the mujahideen — the word ISIS members use to describe their soldiers.

After her husband's death, Muthana made several posts memorializing him and changed her profile picture to an image of him at prayer.

There was also this message, directing people to her new Snapchat account.

Soon after this, she changed her Twitter handle from @ZumarulJannah to @Baqiyah28.

In her first tweets, she said that she was afraid she would be suspended because she was too irhabi — the Arabic word for terrorist — and that the platform didn't want her recruiting.

Days after, Muthana created an Ask.fm account to answer user-submitted questions, many of which appeared to be from women asking for advice about how to travel to the Syria. She also boasted that ISIS would make America a “land of shariah [sic]” — a place where Islamic religious laws and governance would be put into practice — and defended the group's attacks on the innocent.

she criticized a prominent conservative Muslim scholar who publicly denounced ISIS, writing that America needed more Muslims like the Boston marathon bombers, who killed four people (including an MIT police officer three days after the bombings) and injured and maimed hundreds.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/hoda-muthana-isis-instagram-twitter-tumblr-alabama

A future Democratic Congresswoman from Minnesota for sure...

Anyone thinking she is a innocent victim, well there are fools everywhere...

 

[Zorro!]

Sorry, who is arguing all of that? No one is arguing that she didn't go and do all of that.

She is a terrorist. Neither her or her son will be allowed in the US and anyone who assists her is committing a felony by assisting terrorism.

She held herself up as an example, and an example she is.

 

[pknopp]

Sorry, who is arguing all of that? No one is arguing that she didn't go and do all of that.

She is a terrorist. Neither her or her son will be allowed in the US and anyone who assists her is committing a felony by assisting terrorism.

She held herself up as an example, and an example she is.

The court ruled she was borne here the daughter of a diplomat. That means she isn't a citizen which means she doesn't have to be allowed back in. Who is arguing otherwise?

 

[Zorro!]

Sorry, who is arguing all of that? No one is arguing that she didn't go and do all of that.

She is a terrorist. Neither her or her son will be allowed in the US and anyone who assists her is committing a felony by assisting terrorism.

She held herself up as an example, and an example she is.

The court ruled she was borne here the daughter of a diplomat. That means she isn't a citizen which means she doesn't have to be allowed back in. Who is arguing otherwise?

Doug Jones, for one.

Alabama Sen. Doug Jones says ISIS bride Hoda Muthana should be allowed back into the US
Alabama Sen. Doug Jones says ISIS bride Hoda Muthana should be allowed back into the US to face the criminal justice system

The Left Wing Brookings Institute: The wrong decision on Hoda Muthana
The wrong decision on Hoda Muthana

Los Angeles Times › la-na-hoda-muthana-alabama-isis-20190222-story

Trump must allow return of U.S.-born woman who joined ...

 

[Zorro!]

 

[Cosmos]

Absolutely not.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

That is a truly moronic question.


My opinion of ISIS is based upon what ISIS is all about and has nothing to do with Military actions.

Grow up. Stop acting out like child.

So why did we support them in Syria? Why did we support OBL in Afghanistan?

That has nothing to do with allowing them into this country or opposing them for their actions and beliefs.

you are certainly one illogical little regressive, aren't you?

You seem to be a bit of a snowflake.

In what possible way, son?

I am an independent and I have an education.

You strike me as just a kid who just tosses out shit because he is acting out.

You don't address the points, only respond in lame insults.

You haven't made any points. You have just tossed out a bunch of irrelevant shit.

You claimed my opposition to ISIS was somehow bad for this country. You have yet to back up that statement at all, which is simply a childish exhibition of acting out. Once again - grow the fuck up and learn a little bit about what ISIS is all about. I'm sure you consider yourself quite the little 16 year old outlaw and see siding with ISIS as sending the ultimate fuck you to the man, but your little act doesn't fool any of the adults here.

 

[pismoe]

Court: ISIS bride not a US citizen



Do not pass go, do not collect green card

Hoda Muthana, the daughter of a Yemeni diplomat who left her home in Alabama and ran off to Syria to join up with ISIS. Once there, the “ISIS bride” "married" a series of terrorist fighters, eventually producing a child with one of them. Now she would like to be allowed to return to the United States and take up her old life.

A federal judge ruled that Muthana is not a U.S. citizen and America is under no obligation to take her and her child back into the country.

“ISIS bride” Hoda Muthana is not a US citizen — and America is under no obligation to let her back into the country, a federal judge ruled Thursday, according to a new report.

Judge Reggie Walton found there was enough evidence to prove Muthana — the US-born mom who fled her home in Alabama to join the terror group in Syria in 2014 — was born while her father was a Yemeni diplomat.

The judge said Muthana’s father, Ahmed Ali Muthana, can’t provide financial support to either her or her 2-year-old son without facing potential charges of providing material support to terrorism.​

Muthana was born in the United States, but her father was a foreign diplomat. She’s not automatically entitled to birthright citizenship. And since her child was born in a foreign country to a non-citizen, he’s not entitled to admission either.

The extra punch in the nose comes in the form of the material support question. Muthana publicly declared her allegiance to ISIS and took to social media to encourage all of the wannabe Jihadis in the United States to create mayhem and “spill our blood” in the streets. As such, she officially enlisted on Team Terror. So if she showed up here and her father gave her any money or other resources, he could be prosecuted for providing material support to terrorism and possibly wind up getting a cell on the same block in Gitmo as his daughter.

She wasn’t some confused child who was caught up in events beyond her control. She was fully an adult (age 19) when she decided to join the terrorist organization and present herself as a sex gift to their fighters. She was living a very comfortable life in Alabama and could have been well on the way to eventual citizenship and a shot at the American dream.

Instead, she packed her bags, snuck over to Syria and hooked up with the Death to America crowd. You don’t just get to demand forgiveness for something like that. So stay where you are with your new “friends” and good riddance.

----------------------------------------------------- I wonder how many 'isis' guys can fit in the bed that she made for herself . chug , chug , 'woo ' woo [chuckle] eh BK ??

Thanks to Trump, she isn't going to bring her poison back to our Civilian neighborhoods.

---------------------------------------------------------------------- THATS kind the way I see things but there are thousands imported into Minnesota just lie her that are imported into the USA , See 'talib' and 'ilham ohmars' as examples Zorro .

 

[pismoe]

dude - we already knew that you are an ISIS fanboi.


You don't need to keep running it into the ground

I guess you have a guilty conscience.

Why would I have the guilty conscience? I know right from wrong.

Maybe your idea of right is what is wrong. It's quite common.

You are really quite the ridiculous boy.

My suggestion would be to grow up, make something of yourself and stop allowing your lack of self-esteem to govern your political views via your identification with those out to destroy liberal western culture. All you are doing is acting out.

Can you describe what we have "won" in Afghanistan.

No one else can.

---------------------------------------- probably just some training and weapons development P.K .

 

[Zorro!]

Court: ISIS bride not a US citizen



Do not pass go, do not collect green card

Hoda Muthana, the daughter of a Yemeni diplomat who left her home in Alabama and ran off to Syria to join up with ISIS. Once there, the “ISIS bride” "married" a series of terrorist fighters, eventually producing a child with one of them. Now she would like to be allowed to return to the United States and take up her old life.

A federal judge ruled that Muthana is not a U.S. citizen and America is under no obligation to take her and her child back into the country.

“ISIS bride” Hoda Muthana is not a US citizen — and America is under no obligation to let her back into the country, a federal judge ruled Thursday, according to a new report.

Judge Reggie Walton found there was enough evidence to prove Muthana — the US-born mom who fled her home in Alabama to join the terror group in Syria in 2014 — was born while her father was a Yemeni diplomat.

The judge said Muthana’s father, Ahmed Ali Muthana, can’t provide financial support to either her or her 2-year-old son without facing potential charges of providing material support to terrorism.​

Muthana was born in the United States, but her father was a foreign diplomat. She’s not automatically entitled to birthright citizenship. And since her child was born in a foreign country to a non-citizen, he’s not entitled to admission either.

The extra punch in the nose comes in the form of the material support question. Muthana publicly declared her allegiance to ISIS and took to social media to encourage all of the wannabe Jihadis in the United States to create mayhem and “spill our blood” in the streets. As such, she officially enlisted on Team Terror. So if she showed up here and her father gave her any money or other resources, he could be prosecuted for providing material support to terrorism and possibly wind up getting a cell on the same block in Gitmo as his daughter.

She wasn’t some confused child who was caught up in events beyond her control. She was fully an adult (age 19) when she decided to join the terrorist organization and present herself as a sex gift to their fighters. She was living a very comfortable life in Alabama and could have been well on the way to eventual citizenship and a shot at the American dream.

Instead, she packed her bags, snuck over to Syria and hooked up with the Death to America crowd. You don’t just get to demand forgiveness for something like that. So stay where you are with your new “friends” and good riddance.

----------------------------------------------------- I wonder how many 'isis' guys can fit in the bed that she made for herself . chug , chug , 'woo ' woo [chuckle] eh BK ??

Thanks to Trump, she isn't going to bring her poison back to our Civilian neighborhoods.

---------------------------------------------------------------------- THATS kind the way I see things but there are thousands imported into Minnesota just lie her that are imported into the USA , See 'talib' and 'ilham ohmars' as examples Zorro .

Yup, she'd fit right in with The Squad.

 

[pknopp]

Sorry, who is arguing all of that? No one is arguing that she didn't go and do all of that.

She is a terrorist. Neither her or her son will be allowed in the US and anyone who assists her is committing a felony by assisting terrorism.

She held herself up as an example, and an example she is.

The court ruled she was borne here the daughter of a diplomat. That means she isn't a citizen which means she doesn't have to be allowed back in. Who is arguing otherwise?

Doug Jones, for one.

Alabama Sen. Doug Jones says ISIS bride Hoda Muthana should be allowed back into the US
Alabama Sen. Doug Jones says ISIS bride Hoda Muthana should be allowed back into the US to face the criminal justice system

The Left Wing Brookings Institute: The wrong decision on Hoda Muthana
The wrong decision on Hoda Muthana

Los Angeles Times › la-na-hoda-muthana-alabama-isis-20190222-story

Trump must allow return of U.S.-born woman who joined ...

They want her to fact the justice system. That's what many condemn Bill Clinton for NOT doing with OBL. Is that really something you are going to base your position on?

 

[pknopp]

So why did we support them in Syria? Why did we support OBL in Afghanistan?

That has nothing to do with allowing them into this country or opposing them for their actions and beliefs.

you are certainly one illogical little regressive, aren't you?

You seem to be a bit of a snowflake.

In what possible way, son?

I am an independent and I have an education.

You strike me as just a kid who just tosses out shit because he is acting out.

You don't address the points, only respond in lame insults.

You haven't made any points. You have just tossed out a bunch of irrelevant shit.

You claimed my opposition to ISIS was somehow bad for this country.

I have never argued that so I suppose I am wasting my time with someone that is either unable to understand an argument or is simply willing to make stuff up.

 

[pknopp]

I guess you have a guilty conscience.

Why would I have the guilty conscience? I know right from wrong.

Maybe your idea of right is what is wrong. It's quite common.

You are really quite the ridiculous boy.

My suggestion would be to grow up, make something of yourself and stop allowing your lack of self-esteem to govern your political views via your identification with those out to destroy liberal western culture. All you are doing is acting out.

Can you describe what we have "won" in Afghanistan.

No one else can.

---------------------------------------- probably just some training and weapons development P.K .

Don't forget the increased heroin production.