Should Welfare be a Disqualification for Voting?

[The T]

jeffersons words are not revisionism

neither is the dictionary definition you complete idiot

There were more Founders than Jefferson...and HE conceded to a REPUBLIC...But go on...

dear fucking idiot,

a republic in which the reps are picked by the people IS a type of democracy

But we are none the less NOT a TRUE Democracy. Get it correct. YOU think we are.

 

[Esmeralda]

No.

Next question.

Of course, if welfare was a disqualification for voting the Democrat Party would cease to exist.

Ridiculous, ludicrous and pathetic myth: Republicans do not recieve welfare. Keep telling yourself that. You are the only ones who believe it to be true.

 

[Truthmatters]

Democracy - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary


de·moc·ra·cy noun \di-ˈmä-krə-sē\

: a form of government in which people choose leaders by voting

: a country ruled by democracy

: an organization or situation in which everyone is treated equally and has equal rights

plural de·moc·ra·cies













EasyBib






Full Definition of DEMOCRACY


1

a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority

b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

you don't get to redefine words for you partisan ideas

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Direct democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


direct or pure democracy and democracy are not the same thing

From your link and the very first sentence.

Direct democracy (also known as pure democracy) is a form of democracy in which people decide (e.g. vote on, form consensus on, etc.) policy initiatives directly, as opposed to a representative democracy in which people vote for representatives who then decide policy initiatives.

what did Jefferson call us?

The introduction of this new principle of representative democracy has rendered useless almost everything written before on the structure of government; Thomas Jefferson

For Jefferson, then, a pure republic and a pure democracy are quite the same. Instead of focusing on the tendency towards factions in a pure republic/democracy, Jefferson instead focused on the impracticableness of a "pure republic" for a great nation, for he went on to say:

"Such a government is evidently restrained to very narrow limits of space and population. I doubt if it would be practicable beyond the extent of a New England township." --Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1816.

Federalist No. 10 & Thomas Jefferson

 

[dblack]

With regard to your last paragraph, on that I disagree. If, for whatever reason, you need to use the safety net provided by our society, we should have a means to ensure that you are not abusing that charity. I consider it along the same lines as fraud.

You don't see the slippery slope involved in that kind of thinking? Would you agree to similar justification for, say, extra scrutiny for parents who tap the 'charity' of public education? Should Medicare enrollees be held to equal standards?

I think we need to draw a line on that kind of encroachment, and fight the welfare crap head on. Otherwise we risk letting it do far more damage than simply redistributing wealth.

You're going to have to pick better examples for your question. In each case, Medicare and education are paid services. In other words, the people using them pay for them directly. Welfare, food stamps and other safety net programs are paid out of the general fund from taxes. The recipient may or may not have paid into the taxes that contribute, but they are using resources directly; in an atmosphere of abuse and fraud. It is more than prudent to ensure that the charity is not being misused to continue a lifestyle that does not work toward removing the individual from the charity.

I think they're sufficient examples. Public education and Medicare are from from self-sustaining. Education in particular, is funded by general taxation and families with multiple children will get more out of it than they pay in.

And for what it's worth, welfare is not charity. Charity is voluntary. It's a 'service' offered to anyone who might need it. It's bullshit, don't get me wrong - but setting the precedent of limiting people's rights based on an itemization of the services they use is even worse bullshit and will lead nowhere good.

What about the health care thing? Will you be one of the people calling for laws 'discouraging' risky behavior that might cost taxpayers money? I see that kind of crap coming down the pike as a result of nationalizing health care and it seems like a very real threat to our freedoms. We need to get clear on this stuff and resist the urge to piss away even more freedoms in the name of fighting the welfare state.

 

[Truthmatters]

There were more Founders than Jefferson...and HE conceded to a REPUBLIC...But go on...

dear fucking idiot,

a republic in which the reps are picked by the people IS a type of democracy

But we are none the less NOT a TRUE Democracy. Get it correct. YOU think we are.

the terms are direct or pure and no we are not a direct democracy and I NEVER SAID WE WERE!


we are a democracy and yes the founders knew that.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Democracy Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Democracy Index is an index compiled by the Economist Intelligence Unit, that measures the state of democracy in 167 countries, of which 166 are sovereign states and 165 are United Nations member states. The index is based on 60 indicators grouped in five different categories: electoral process and pluralism, civil liberties, functioning of government, political participation, and political culture. In addition to a numeric score and a ranking, the index categorizes countries as one of four regime types full democracies, flawed democracies, hybrid regimes, and authoritarian regimes.

these people are what to you?

Meaningless.

 

[The T]

dear fucking idiot,

a republic in which the reps are picked by the people IS a type of democracy

But we are none the less NOT a TRUE Democracy. Get it correct. YOU think we are.

the terms are direct or pure and no we are not a direct democracy and I NEVER SAID WE WERE!


we are a democracy and yes the founders knew that.

NO...we Ren't. WHY did the Articles Of Confederation fail for FAVOUR of the Constitution? YOU have YET to answer...so for the third time...

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Democracy - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary


de·moc·ra·cy noun \di-ˈmä-krə-sē\

: a form of government in which people choose leaders by voting

: a country ruled by democracy

: an organization or situation in which everyone is treated equally and has equal rights

plural de·moc·ra·cies

EasyBib

Full Definition of DEMOCRACY

1

a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority

b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

you don't get to redefine words for you partisan ideas

re·pub·lic
noun \ri-ˈpə-blik\

: a country that is governed by elected representatives and by an elected leader (such as a president) rather than by a king or queen

EasyBib

Full Definition of REPUBLIC

1

a (1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government

b (1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government

c : a usually specified republican government of a political unit <the French Fourth Republic>

2

: a body of persons freely engaged in a specified activity <the republic of letters>


3

: a constituent political and territorial unit of the former nations of Czechoslovakia, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, or Yugoslavia


Do you see the difference numbnuts?

The majority doesn't rule in a Republic as it does in a Democracy. If it did then the minorities would never have a chance.

 

[Truthmatters]

Democracy is worth dying for, because it's the most deeply honorable form of government ever devised by man.
Ronald Reagan
Read more at Democracy Quotes - BrainyQuote

 

[The T]

Democracy Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Democracy Index is an index compiled by the Economist Intelligence Unit, that measures the state of democracy in 167 countries, of which 166 are sovereign states and 165 are United Nations member states. The index is based on 60 indicators grouped in five different categories: electoral process and pluralism, civil liberties, functioning of government, political participation, and political culture. In addition to a numeric score and a ranking, the index categorizes countries as one of four regime types full democracies, flawed democracies, hybrid regimes, and authoritarian regimes.

these people are what to you?

Meaningless.

TDM is into the Cult of Personality rather than trust his/her own senses...in other words? IT is a Drone...Low-info voter.

 

[Truthmatters]

yes we are a republic too.

You see the type of republic we are is a type of democracy

 

[Truthmatters]

Economist Intelligence Unit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


so you don't believe these guys or the dictionary or Reagan?






The Economist Intelligence Unit (The EIU) is an independent business within The Economist Group.[1]

Through research and analysis, The EIU offers forecasting and advisory services to its clients. It provides country, industry and management analysis worldwide and incorporates the former Business International Corporation, a U.K. company acquired by the parent organization in 1986. It is particularly well known for its monthly country reports, five-year country economic forecasts, country risk service reports, and industry reports. The company also specialises in tailored research for companies that require analysis for particular markets or business sectors. 2006 marked the 60th anniversary of The Economist Intelligence Unit's inception.

The Economist Intelligence Unit also produces regular reports on "liveability" and cost of living of the world's major cities, which receive wide coverage in international news sources[which?]. The Economist Intelligence Unit's Quality-of-Life Index is another noted report[according to whom?].

Its current Managing Director is Robin Bew, formally the company's Editorial Director & Chief Economist.

 

[The T]

yes we are a republic too.

You see the type of republic we are is a type of democracy

WHY are the Progressives changing it and furthermore? WHY do YOU support their effort?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

dear fucking idiot,

a republic in which the reps are picked by the people IS a type of democracy

But we are none the less NOT a TRUE Democracy. Get it correct. YOU think we are.

the terms are direct or pure and no we are not a direct democracy and I NEVER SAID WE WERE!


we are a democracy and yes the founders knew that.

For the last time you idiot. America is a Constitutional Republic . . . NOT a Democracy

 

[The T]

TO The OP...I think your idea is OK. I think we see in certain examples WHY there should be a little test to get to vote...a little applied knowledge, education would go a long way. Since there is NO Constitutional RIGHT to vote in a Federal Election, I think it's great.

 

[Truthmatters]

James Madison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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James Madison

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4th President of the United States

In office
March 4, 1809 &#8211; March 4, 1817

Vice President
George Clinton (1809&#8211;1812)
None (1812&#8211;1813)
Elbridge Gerry (1813&#8211;1814)
None (1814&#8211;1817)

Preceded by
Thomas Jefferson

Succeeded by
James Monroe

5th United States Secretary of State

In office
May 2, 1801 &#8211; March 3, 1809

President
Thomas Jefferson

Preceded by
John Marshall

Succeeded by
Robert Smith

Member of the U.S. House of Representatives
from Virginia's 15th district

In office
March 4, 1793 &#8211; March 4, 1797

Preceded by
District created

Succeeded by
John Dawson

Member of the U.S. House of Representatives
from Virginia's 5th district

In office
March 4, 1789 &#8211; March 4, 1793

Preceded by
District created

Succeeded by
George Hancock

Delegate to the
Congress of the Confederation
from Virginia

In office
March 1, 1781 &#8211; November 1, 1783

Preceded by
Position established

Succeeded by
Thomas Jefferson

Personal details


Born
March 16, 1751
Port Conway, Virginia Colony

Died
June 28, 1836 (aged 85)
Orange, Virginia, U.S.

Resting place
Montpelier
Orange, Virginia

Political party
Democratic-Republican

Spouse(s)
Dolley Todd
(1794&#8211;1836; his death)

Children
John (Stepson)

Residence
Montpelier

Alma mater
Princeton University

Profession
Planter
College Administrator

Religion
Deist[1]
Episcopalianism

Signature
Cursive signature in ink

James Madison, Jr. (March 16, 1751 &#8211; June 28, 1836) was an American statesman, political theorist and the fourth President of the United States (1809&#8211;1817). He is hailed as the "Father of the Constitution" for being instrumental in the drafting of the United States Constitution and as the key champion and author of the United States Bill of Rights.[2] He served as a politician much of his adult life.

 

[Truthmatters]

yes we are a republic too.

You see the type of republic we are is a type of democracy

WHY are the Progressives changing it and furthermore? WHY do YOU support their effort?

PROVE anyone has changed the definitions of the words in any dictionary or enclyclopedia.

NO one has changed the meaning of the words but your bunch when talking to each other

 

[Truthmatters]

Types of Government Democracy | eHow


Direct Democracy



Direct democracy operates without government representatives, and places the decisions directly in the hands of the people. Instances of direct democracy can be seen throughout the history of America, such as town hall meetings and voting. Direct democracy is a double-edged sword; on the one hand, it places the power entirely in the hands of the people, but on the other hand it can easily turn into a mere numbers game. (See Reference 2) Switzerland is an example of a country that uses many elements of direct democracy. (See Reference 3)


Presidential Democracy



Presidential democracy is a form of representative democracy. Unlike direct democracy, presidential democracy employs representatives to maintain order and ensure fairness of government issues. America is an example of a presidential democracy. The people elect members of the executive branch, such as the president and vice president, as well as the legistlative branch, such as Congress members. Members of Congress are elected at a different time than the president, and only have the power to remove the president from office if a criminal offense is committed. The president cannot introduce new legislation, although he can veto laws that Congress tries to pass.



Parliamentary Democracy



Parliamentary democracy is another form of representative democracy. It is a common form of democratic government, and examples include the United Kingdom, Canada and Australia. Unlike a presidential democracy, a parliamentary system is run by the parliament and a prime minister, who is usually also a member of the parliament. In a parliamentary democracy, there is less distance between the executive and legislative branches. Additionally, parliamentary democracy usually works in cooperation with a head of state, such as a monarch, who handles state matters, while the parliament handles legislature. (See Reference 3)



Read more: http://www.ehow.com/list_6363810_types-government-democracy.html#ixzz2pf2kMSeT

 

[Politico]

Ok 14 pages of stupid later I am going with yes.