Shrub's invasion of Iraq justifies Putin's invasion of Crimea

[BlindBoo]

actually leftard Bush built a large coalition in Iraq

on the other hand obama couldnt get a single county on board with him to address slaughter in Syria


libs are losers who lie to themselves

Look, we were the aggressors in Iraq and all the countries that signed onto the invasion and occupation were too. Got it? The world wouldn't respond against the aggressor because they all wanted the Iraqi oil on the world market too.

Iraq returns as world's fastest-growing oil exporter | Reuters

The world's leading oil companies have been expanding Iraq's giant southern fields - Rumaila led by BP, West Qurna-1 run by Exxon and Zubair operated by Eni - since 2010 when they signed a series of service contracts with Baghdad.

That revival, now into its fifth year, prompted Iraq to set an export target of 3.4 million bpd for 2014, including 400,000 bpd from the Kurdistan region, implying output of 4 million bpd, including oil used internally.

yawn; a whole bunch of nothing.

what country that has oil doesnt go tget it and sell it?

You think Iraq wasn't selling their oil before the Bush Invasion and Occupation de-nationalized their oil fields?

 

[IlarMeilyr]

What goes around comes around. One bully deserves another. Putin is serving notice that the U.S. is not the only super power bully. Sure looks like Raygun didn't win the cold war after all.
Shrub destroyed all U.S. credibility and integrity with the Iraq invasion. Putin hasn't learned that lesson yet, but I bet he does.
This could make the whole global economy come unraveled. That's what Obama is trying to prevent. If it happens, all those U.S. corporations will lose their asses. China kicks them out and takes their factories. Then we don't have all that cheap Chinese product, and we don't make anything in this country, so we are shit out of luck. China takes over trade with central and south America, and then we don't have cheap groceries from them either. China has many more hungry mouths to feed.
No food, no clothes, no nothing. You better hope Obama doesn't fail.

^ that is massively illogical, baseless and pretty fucking dumb.

First of all, W did not invade Iraq. The United States liberated Iraq from the scumbag mass murdering cock-bite, Saddam Hussein.

The Russian invasion of Ukraine was not one of liberation. It was one fucking imperialistic scumbag's (i.e., Putin's) unlawful effort to deny another country's people the freedom to change their own government.

Your sophistry and efforts at false equivalence are pretty laughable.

 

[bendog]

What's our national interest in Ukraine or Crimea?

directly none, same with Kuwait, but in larger geopolitics, it's good not to have Russia taking over countries. I mean ask all your Hollywood friends that bitch about Tibet.

Russia hasn't taken over the Ukraine.

No offense, but the post didn't assert Putin had done so, but a blind squirrel couldn't help but notice Putin's rattling the sabres in the eastern Ukraine.

 

[Synthaholic]

We have no national security interests in Crimea or Ukraine. So why are the wingnuts whining about us not doing anything?

Foreign policy comprehension FAIL ^^^^^^

Genius, do you have any idea how stupid you sound? Had Obama not believe there was a national interest in curbing the threat of a rising Russia and it's Chinese buddies then he wouldn't have allowed the neocons that push his buttons to get involved in and fuck up this pathetic attempt at a color revolution in the Ukraine, hence a missile shield in the Ukraine. It's all about weakening Russia and maintaining the empire.

What are our national security interests in Crimea or Ukraine?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

directly none, same with Kuwait, but in larger geopolitics, it's good not to have Russia taking over countries. I mean ask all your Hollywood friends that bitch about Tibet.

Russia hasn't taken over the Ukraine.

No offense, but the post didn't assert Putin had done so, but a blind squirrel couldn't help but notice Putin's rattling the sabres in the eastern Ukraine.

"It's good not to have Russia taking over countries."

It was certainly implied that Russia had done so. Rattling sabers, absolutely, but he hasn't taken over anything.

 

[bendog]

What goes around comes around. One bully deserves another. Putin is serving notice that the U.S. is not the only super power bully. Sure looks like Raygun didn't win the cold war after all.
Shrub destroyed all U.S. credibility and integrity with the Iraq invasion. Putin hasn't learned that lesson yet, but I bet he does.
This could make the whole global economy come unraveled. That's what Obama is trying to prevent. If it happens, all those U.S. corporations will lose their asses. China kicks them out and takes their factories. Then we don't have all that cheap Chinese product, and we don't make anything in this country, so we are shit out of luck. China takes over trade with central and south America, and then we don't have cheap groceries from them either. China has many more hungry mouths to feed.
No food, no clothes, no nothing. You better hope Obama doesn't fail.

^ that is massively illogical, baseless and pretty fucking dumb.

First of all, W did not invade Iraq. The United States liberated Iraq from the scumbag mass murdering cock-bite, Saddam Hussein.

The Russian invasion of Ukraine was not one of liberation. It was one fucking imperialistic scumbag's (i.e., Putin's) unlawful effort to deny another country's people the freedom to change their own government.

Your sophistry and efforts at false equivalence are pretty laughable.

We invaded Iraq to liberate it. No reason to beat around the bush (-: Give W his due. He was trying to promote representative democracy in the ME. I'd call it a fool's errand, but Putin is simply trying to have less economically successful representative democracies in his neighborhood.

Nobody said America was perfect, but there's a reason people want to live here. We need to call putin for what putin is.

 

[Synthaholic]

Since when did liberals care about paying for anything? Are you for a shutdown? Oh wait only the military, every other program we can just put on the credit card.....gotcha

Obama has cut the deficit in half. Government spending is down in every area of the Federal government.

Didn't answer my question: are you wanting to police the world again? How are you going to pay for it?

He cut is own trillion dollar budget in half you moron!

Obama says deficit is falling at the fastest rate in 60 years

 

[Contumacious]

First of all, W did not invade Iraq. The United States liberated Iraq from the scumbag mass murdering cock-bite, Saddam Hussein.

HUH



in·vade
inˈvād/Submit
verb
1.
(of an armed force or its commander) enter (a country or region) so as to subjugate or occupy it

The Russian invasion of Ukraine was not one of liberation. It was one fucking imperialistic scumbag's (i.e., Putin's) unlawful effort to deny another country's people the freedom to change their own government.

Your sophistry and efforts at false equivalence are pretty laughable.

Probably.

But 60% of Crimeans are Russians and support the Russian presence.

Were 60% of Iraqis Americans?!?!?!?

.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

We have no national security interests in Crimea or Ukraine. So why are the wingnuts whining about us not doing anything?

Foreign policy comprehension FAIL ^^^^^^

Genius, do you have any idea how stupid you sound? Had Obama not believe there was a national interest in curbing the threat of a rising Russia and it's Chinese buddies then he wouldn't have allowed the neocons that push his buttons to get involved in and fuck up this pathetic attempt at a color revolution in the Ukraine, hence a missile shield in the Ukraine. It's all about weakening Russia and maintaining the empire.

What are our national security interests in Crimea or Ukraine?

At the (huge) risk of sounding like I might agree with Synthia's position, I guess that risk has to be assumed, for I am equally curious:

What are our national security interests in Crimea or Ukraine?

By asking that question I am not denying that we might have some actual national security interest in what happens there. We might, I suppose. I am just looking to see if there is any consensus view of what such interest(s) might be.

 

[blackhawk]

Would this be the same Iraq invasion many Democrats voted for?

Democrats didn't vote for an invasion.

This has been proven time and time again, yet you'll continue to spread the lie.

Yes they did lie to yourself don't waste my time with your partisan delusion.

 

[Redfish]

What goes around comes around. One bully deserves another. Putin is serving notice that the U.S. is not the only super power bully. Sure looks like Raygun didn't win the cold war after all.
Shrub destroyed all U.S. credibility and integrity with the Iraq invasion. Putin hasn't learned that lesson yet, but I bet he does.
This could make the whole global economy come unraveled. That's what Obama is trying to prevent. If it happens, all those U.S. corporations will lose their asses. China kicks them out and takes their factories. Then we don't have all that cheap Chinese product, and we don't make anything in this country, so we are shit out of luck. China takes over trade with central and south America, and then we don't have cheap groceries from them either. China has many more hungry mouths to feed.
No food, no clothes, no nothing. You better hope Obama doesn't fail.

Obama has already failed. Have you priced a steak lately?

Obama's planned destruction of our economy is going exactly as planned, and idiots like you keep calling for more.

Calling Bush shrub just shows that you are nothing but a partisan asshole who is incapable of original thought.

you have the mind of a junior high kid with an IQ of 15.

And people who call Obama Obozo or worse are what? Intelligent, thought provoking personalities?

the comparison to a clown is appropriate, the comparison to a small plant is not.

Both made mistakes but you libs think its OK for obama to screw up because Bush screwed up. moral equivalency is a cop out to cover for the massive failure that has been in the white house for the last 5 years.

 

[Synthaholic]

What goes around comes around. One bully deserves another. Putin is serving notice that the U.S. is not the only super power bully. Sure looks like Raygun didn't win the cold war after all.
Shrub destroyed all U.S. credibility and integrity with the Iraq invasion. Putin hasn't learned that lesson yet, but I bet he does.
This could make the whole global economy come unraveled. That's what Obama is trying to prevent. If it happens, all those U.S. corporations will lose their asses. China kicks them out and takes their factories. Then we don't have all that cheap Chinese product, and we don't make anything in this country, so we are shit out of luck. China takes over trade with central and south America, and then we don't have cheap groceries from them either. China has many more hungry mouths to feed.
No food, no clothes, no nothing. You better hope Obama doesn't fail.

^ that is massively illogical, baseless and pretty fucking dumb.

First of all, W did not invade Iraq. The United States liberated Iraq from the scumbag mass murdering cock-bite, Saddam Hussein.

The Russian invasion of Ukraine was not one of liberation. It was one fucking imperialistic scumbag's (i.e., Putin's) unlawful effort to deny another country's people the freedom to change their own government.

Your sophistry and efforts at false equivalence are pretty laughable.

Yeah, he liberated the fuck out of them! He liberated them to death!

 

[IlarMeilyr]

First of all, W did not invade Iraq. The United States liberated Iraq from the scumbag mass murdering cock-bite, Saddam Hussein.

HUH



in·vade
inˈvād/Submit
verb
1.
(of an armed force or its commander) enter (a country or region) so as to subjugate or occupy it

The Russian invasion of Ukraine was not one of liberation. It was one fucking imperialistic scumbag's (i.e., Putin's) unlawful effort to deny another country's people the freedom to change their own government.

Your sophistry and efforts at false equivalence are pretty laughable.

Probably.

But 60% of Crimeans are Russians and support the Russian presence.

Were 60% of Iraqis Americans?!?!?!?

.

You answered your own "question." We did not subjugate nor did we attempt to occupy Iraq (except for the period of time needed to oust Saddam and keep the peace -- as much as we could -- in the period that followed). We do not own Iraq. We do not control Iraq. Nor did we seek those things. We did not "invade" the country as that term is normally understood. I mean, heck. We invaded "France," too at the time of D-Day. But that also wasn't to subjugate the people or occupy the left fucking bank.

The people of Iraq were Iraqis. The People of the Ukraine are and were UKRAINIAN. The Ukraine might have a large percentage of Russian supporters, but that doesn't change one word of what I posted. It is not the place of the leader of RUSSIA to tell the people of Ukraine that they cannot change their own government.

 

[Redfish]

Foreign policy comprehension FAIL ^^^^^^

Genius, do you have any idea how stupid you sound? Had Obama not believe there was a national interest in curbing the threat of a rising Russia and it's Chinese buddies then he wouldn't have allowed the neocons that push his buttons to get involved in and fuck up this pathetic attempt at a color revolution in the Ukraine, hence a missile shield in the Ukraine. It's all about weakening Russia and maintaining the empire.

What are our national security interests in Crimea or Ukraine?

At the (huge) risk of sounding like I might agree with Synthia's position, I guess that risk has to be assumed, for I am equally curious:

What are our national security interests in Crimea or Ukraine?

By asking that question I am not denying that we might have some actual national security interest in what happens there. We might, I suppose. I am just looking to see if there is any consensus view of what such interest(s) might be.

We have none. It has no effect on the US if Crimea or all of Ukraine goes back to Russia. NONE. Let Putin have it, then he has to feed them.

 

[Redfish]

the leftards in this thread are under the fantasy that conservatives want war with Russia. That could not be farther from the truth.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

What goes around comes around. One bully deserves another. Putin is serving notice that the U.S. is not the only super power bully. Sure looks like Raygun didn't win the cold war after all.
Shrub destroyed all U.S. credibility and integrity with the Iraq invasion. Putin hasn't learned that lesson yet, but I bet he does.
This could make the whole global economy come unraveled. That's what Obama is trying to prevent. If it happens, all those U.S. corporations will lose their asses. China kicks them out and takes their factories. Then we don't have all that cheap Chinese product, and we don't make anything in this country, so we are shit out of luck. China takes over trade with central and south America, and then we don't have cheap groceries from them either. China has many more hungry mouths to feed.
No food, no clothes, no nothing. You better hope Obama doesn't fail.

^ that is massively illogical, baseless and pretty fucking dumb.

First of all, W did not invade Iraq. The United States liberated Iraq from the scumbag mass murdering cock-bite, Saddam Hussein.

The Russian invasion of Ukraine was not one of liberation. It was one fucking imperialistic scumbag's (i.e., Putin's) unlawful effort to deny another country's people the freedom to change their own government.

Your sophistry and efforts at false equivalence are pretty laughable.

Yeah, he liberated the fuck out of them! He liberated them to death!

Nonsense.

Try to be coherent and factually accurate someday for a fully refreshing change of pace.

 

[Redfish]

What goes around comes around. One bully deserves another. Putin is serving notice that the U.S. is not the only super power bully. Sure looks like Raygun didn't win the cold war after all.
Shrub destroyed all U.S. credibility and integrity with the Iraq invasion. Putin hasn't learned that lesson yet, but I bet he does.
This could make the whole global economy come unraveled. That's what Obama is trying to prevent. If it happens, all those U.S. corporations will lose their asses. China kicks them out and takes their factories. Then we don't have all that cheap Chinese product, and we don't make anything in this country, so we are shit out of luck. China takes over trade with central and south America, and then we don't have cheap groceries from them either. China has many more hungry mouths to feed.
No food, no clothes, no nothing. You better hope Obama doesn't fail.

^ that is massively illogical, baseless and pretty fucking dumb.

First of all, W did not invade Iraq. The United States liberated Iraq from the scumbag mass murdering cock-bite, Saddam Hussein.

The Russian invasion of Ukraine was not one of liberation. It was one fucking imperialistic scumbag's (i.e., Putin's) unlawful effort to deny another country's people the freedom to change their own government.

Your sophistry and efforts at false equivalence are pretty laughable.

Yeah, he liberated the fuck out of them! He liberated them to death!

a cruise missile on Saddam's head would have been more effective and much cheaper.

But lets not forget---------both parties authorized and funded that fiasco. They all have blood on their hands.

 

[Synthaholic]

the leftards in this thread are under the fantasy that conservatives what war with Russia. That could not be farther from the truth.

Then what is Senator Huckleberry J. Closetcase (REP-SC) talking about when he says that Putin is making Obama look weak?

 

[Contumacious]

First of all, W did not invade Iraq. The United States liberated Iraq from the scumbag mass murdering cock-bite, Saddam Hussein.

HUH



in·vade
inˈvād/Submit
verb
1.
(of an armed force or its commander) enter (a country or region) so as to subjugate or occupy it

The Russian invasion of Ukraine was not one of liberation. It was one fucking imperialistic scumbag's (i.e., Putin's) unlawful effort to deny another country's people the freedom to change their own government.

Your sophistry and efforts at false equivalence are pretty laughable.

Probably.

But 60% of Crimeans are Russians and support the Russian presence.

Were 60% of Iraqis Americans?!?!?!?

.

You answered your own "question." We did not subjugate nor did we attempt to occupy Iraq (except for the period of time needed to oust Saddam and keep the peace -- as much as we could -- in the period that followed). We do not own Iraq. We do not control Iraq. Nor did we seek those things. We did not "invade" the country as that term is normally understood. I mean, heck. We invaded "France," too at the time of D-Day. But that also wasn't to subjugate the people or occupy the left fucking bank.

The people of Iraq were Iraqis. The People of the Ukraine are and were UKRAINIAN. The Ukraine might have a large percentage of Russian supporters, but that doesn't change one word of what I posted. It is not the place of the leader of RUSSIA to tell the people of Ukraine that they cannot change their own government.

Unfucking believable , in Syria the US support the AlQaeda controlled opposition and Ukraine the US supports the neo-nazis.

Who would have thunketh?!?!?!?

Is the US backing neo-Nazis in Ukraine?

John McCain and other State Department members have troubling ties to the ultra-nationalist Svoboda party VIDEO

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[Redfish]

the leftards in this thread are under the fantasy that conservatives what war with Russia. That could not be farther from the truth.

Then what is Senator Huckleberry J. Closetcase (REP-SC) talking about when he says that Putin is making Obama look weak?

Putin is making obama look weak. It has nothing to do with crimea. In every international incident or forum Putin has looked like a leader and obama has looked like a pussey.

Putin may be a KGB thug, but he is leading his country and making progress while our community organizer is failing, destroying our economy, and making us the laughing stock of the world.