Simplifying the Tax System Is Easy in the Real World

[NYcarbineer]

Unfortunately the DC elitists require everything be so complex and you need to hire lawyers for everything so they can maintain control over you.

A flat tax on gross income, no deductions. Period.

You earn X dollars, you pay a percentage. Same percentage for all. I have no idea what that percentage should be, but for the sake of discussion say it is 10%. You earn $100,000, you pay $10,000. You earn $1,000 you pay $100.

But weatherman, the lowest earners are paying the same percentage as millionaires!

Yep. Everyone has a vested interest in America. The same vested interest on how America does.

You can eliminate the complexity and deductions without going to a flat tax. A simple progressive tax would do the same thing.

Leftists hate equality. Why?

You don't support equality. With a 10% flat tax, the person making 10,000 a year pays $1000 in taxes, the person making 100,000 a year pays 10,000 in taxes.

One pays ten times the amount for the same government. What's equal about that?

 

[Weatherman2020]

I'm wondering how many people just above the poverty level, would be taxed into poverty, and I can just read the headline.

One million people taxed into poverty by Trump income tax.

That should be good for a few votes

OK, then go with Forbes idea of not taxing the first $25K

 

[Weatherman2020]

Unfortunately the DC elitists require everything be so complex and you need to hire lawyers for everything so they can maintain control over you.

A flat tax on gross income, no deductions. Period.

You earn X dollars, you pay a percentage. Same percentage for all. I have no idea what that percentage should be, but for the sake of discussion say it is 10%. You earn $100,000, you pay $10,000. You earn $1,000 you pay $100.

But weatherman, the lowest earners are paying the same percentage as millionaires!

Yep. Everyone has a vested interest in America. The same vested interest on how America does.

You can eliminate the complexity and deductions without going to a flat tax. A simple progressive tax would do the same thing.

Leftists hate equality. Why?

You don't support equality. With a 10% flat tax, the person making 10,000 a year pays $1000 in taxes, the person making 100,000 a year pays 10,000 in taxes.

One pays ten times the amount for the same government. What's equal about that?

Math R hard.

 

[NYcarbineer]

It's simple math. If a rich person's tax rate drops from 39 percent (current rate) to 15 percent (flat tax), then the difference will have to be made up somewhere else.

Duh.

The middle class, being the larger group, will have to make up the difference.

Again you think Gates pays 39% of his gross income in taxes. You're stuck on stupid.

lol, you don't pay 39% on your entire income, even if you're in that bracket.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Unfortunately the DC elitists require everything be so complex and you need to hire lawyers for everything so they can maintain control over you.

A flat tax on gross income, no deductions. Period.

You earn X dollars, you pay a percentage. Same percentage for all. I have no idea what that percentage should be, but for the sake of discussion say it is 10%. You earn $100,000, you pay $10,000. You earn $1,000 you pay $100.

But weatherman, the lowest earners are paying the same percentage as millionaires!

Yep. Everyone has a vested interest in America. The same vested interest on how America does.

You can eliminate the complexity and deductions without going to a flat tax. A simple progressive tax would do the same thing.

Leftists hate equality. Why?

You don't support equality. With a 10% flat tax, the person making 10,000 a year pays $1000 in taxes, the person making 100,000 a year pays 10,000 in taxes.

One pays ten times the amount for the same government. What's equal about that?

Math R hard.

What's equal about it? Does 1000 equal 10000?

 

[Synthaholic]

Unfortunately the DC elitists require everything be so complex and you need to hire lawyers for everything so they can maintain control over you.

A flat tax on gross income, no deductions. Period.

You earn X dollars, you pay a percentage. Same percentage for all. I have no idea what that percentage should be, but for the sake of discussion say it is 10%. You earn $100,000, you pay $10,000. You earn $1,000 you pay $100.

But weatherman, the lowest earners are paying the same percentage as millionaires!

Yep. Everyone has a vested interest in America. The same vested interest on how America does.

Never going to happen.

Wingnuts go crazy over the possible loss of under 50,000 coal miner jobs. What would be the reaction of losing 500,000 to 3,000,000 CPA/accounting jobs?

The only ones opposing it here are lefties.

Can't directly respond to my post? Are you not smart enough? Do you need another cup of coffee first?

 

[Weatherman2020]

Unfortunately the DC elitists require everything be so complex and you need to hire lawyers for everything so they can maintain control over you.

A flat tax on gross income, no deductions. Period.

You earn X dollars, you pay a percentage. Same percentage for all. I have no idea what that percentage should be, but for the sake of discussion say it is 10%. You earn $100,000, you pay $10,000. You earn $1,000 you pay $100.

But weatherman, the lowest earners are paying the same percentage as millionaires!

Yep. Everyone has a vested interest in America. The same vested interest on how America does.

You can eliminate the complexity and deductions without going to a flat tax. A simple progressive tax would do the same thing.

Leftists hate equality. Why?

You don't support equality. With a 10% flat tax, the person making 10,000 a year pays $1000 in taxes, the person making 100,000 a year pays 10,000 in taxes.

One pays ten times the amount for the same government. What's equal about that?

Math R hard.

What's equal about it? Does 1000 equal 10000?

Same percentage.

You want Bill Gates paying the same tax as the 7/11 clerk? Why?

 

[postman]

So you don't like people investing in a possible cure for cancer?

Why give them a tax break for it?

Somebody who volunteers 16 hours a week for a charity, doesn't get a deduction.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Unfortunately the DC elitists require everything be so complex and you need to hire lawyers for everything so they can maintain control over you.

A flat tax on gross income, no deductions. Period.

You earn X dollars, you pay a percentage. Same percentage for all. I have no idea what that percentage should be, but for the sake of discussion say it is 10%. You earn $100,000, you pay $10,000. You earn $1,000 you pay $100.

But weatherman, the lowest earners are paying the same percentage as millionaires!

Yep. Everyone has a vested interest in America. The same vested interest on how America does.

Never going to happen.

Wingnuts go crazy over the possible loss of under 50,000 coal miner jobs. What would be the reaction of losing 500,000 to 3,000,000 CPA/accounting jobs?

The only ones opposing it here are lefties.

Can't directly respond to my post? Are you not smart enough? Do you need another cup of coffee first?

To subtle for you to grasp?

No conservative supports the current system. We'd love to have about 5 million jobs eliminated to reduce the burden WE pay for.

 

[AntonToo]

Yes it does, but you need a brain for that.

FLAT TAX of your proposal just shifts tax burden from rich to others and only the REMOVE DEDUCTIONS part of it does what you say you want to accomplish.

That REMOVE DEDUCTION part can be implemented just fine in current progressive system, which makes your push for FLAT TAX pointless.

You're the only one claiming the percentage set would reduce taxes on top earners.

STRAWMAN

What is the point of your FLAT TAX?

We already settled that deductions we can change just fine in current tax system, so go ahead and explain wtf is the point of your FLAT TAX. Why are you for it??

Read the OP.

I did,

In it you say low income people will pay same % as millionaires, which is another way of saying low income will pay more and millionaires will pay less.

Unfortunately the DC elitists require everything be so complex and you need to hire lawyers for everything so they can maintain control over you.

And your strawman that the percent will be set so Obama pays less is just that - a strawman.

Just curious, what % do you THINK your flat tax will be?

Obama paid almost 20%, Bidden paid 23% - those are with charity deductions (are you seriously going to cut those out too?)

Obamas pay $93,362 in federal taxes; tax rate of 20%

What flat tax rate proposal do you think will charge them MORE, while NOT charging someone with low income and pays almost nothing.

 

[Weatherman2020]

So you don't like people investing in a possible cure for cancer?

Why give them a tax break for it?

Somebody who volunteers 16 hours a week for a charity, doesn't get a deduction.

Discussion for another thread.

 

[Weatherman2020]

You're the only one claiming the percentage set would reduce taxes on top earners.

STRAWMAN

What is the point of your FLAT TAX?

We already settled that deductions we can change just fine in current tax system, so go ahead and explain wtf is the point of your FLAT TAX. Why are you for it??

Read the OP.

I did,

In it you say low income people will pay same % as millionaires, which is another way of saying low income will pay more and millionaires will pay less.

Unfortunately the DC elitists require everything be so complex and you need to hire lawyers for everything so they can maintain control over you.

And your strawman that the percent will be set so Obama pays less is just that - a strawman.

Just curious, what % do you THINK your flat tax will be?

Obama paid almost 20%, Bidden paid 23% - those are with charity deductions (are you seriously going to cut those out too?)

Obamas pay $93,362 in federal taxes; tax rate of 20%

What flat tax rate proposal do you think will charge them MORE?

I'm using even numbers to simplify things.
Let's say Gates paid $1M in tax last year. He grossed $100M but paid that tax on $10M after deductions.

So a flat tax of 1% on his gross would have him paying the same exact taxes he did last year.

If he pays 2% his taxes double and so forth.

Think you can pay 5% of your gross and survive?

 

[postman]

I'm wondering how many people just above the poverty level, would be taxed into poverty, and I can just read the headline.

One million people taxed into poverty by Trump income tax.

That should be good for a few votes

OK, then go with Forbes idea of not taxing the first $25K

Wouldn't that match the current progressive tax rate scheme.

Ex: flat tax of 20% with $25K exception

$24,999 pays 0%
$25,001 pays 20 cents or 0.0001%
$50,000 pays 10%
By the time you reach $1,000,000 it's 20%

Pretty much what we have now.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You can eliminate the complexity and deductions without going to a flat tax. A simple progressive tax would do the same thing.

Leftists hate equality. Why?

You don't support equality. With a 10% flat tax, the person making 10,000 a year pays $1000 in taxes, the person making 100,000 a year pays 10,000 in taxes.

One pays ten times the amount for the same government. What's equal about that?

Math R hard.

What's equal about it? Does 1000 equal 10000?

Same percentage.

You want Bill Gates paying the same tax as the 7/11 clerk? Why?

You're the one yapping about equality. Should you pay for gasoline based on how much money you make?

 

[AntonToo]

What is the point of your FLAT TAX?

We already settled that deductions we can change just fine in current tax system, so go ahead and explain wtf is the point of your FLAT TAX. Why are you for it??

Read the OP.

I did,

In it you say low income people will pay same % as millionaires, which is another way of saying low income will pay more and millionaires will pay less.

Unfortunately the DC elitists require everything be so complex and you need to hire lawyers for everything so they can maintain control over you.

And your strawman that the percent will be set so Obama pays less is just that - a strawman.

Just curious, what % do you THINK your flat tax will be?

Obama paid almost 20%, Bidden paid 23% - those are with charity deductions (are you seriously going to cut those out too?)

Obamas pay $93,362 in federal taxes; tax rate of 20%

What flat tax rate proposal do you think will charge them MORE?

I'm using even numbers to simplify things.
Let's say Gates

LETS NOT, you said Obama. We KNOW what Obama paid. Lets say Obama.

You are using bullshit made up numbers to support bullshit made up assertions.

5% flat tax would never amount to current revenues.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You're the only one claiming the percentage set would reduce taxes on top earners.

STRAWMAN

What is the point of your FLAT TAX?

We already settled that deductions we can change just fine in current tax system, so go ahead and explain wtf is the point of your FLAT TAX. Why are you for it??

Read the OP.

I did,

In it you say low income people will pay same % as millionaires, which is another way of saying low income will pay more and millionaires will pay less.

Unfortunately the DC elitists require everything be so complex and you need to hire lawyers for everything so they can maintain control over you.

And your strawman that the percent will be set so Obama pays less is just that - a strawman.

Just curious, what % do you THINK your flat tax will be?

Obama paid almost 20%, Bidden paid 23% - those are with charity deductions (are you seriously going to cut those out too?)

Obamas pay $93,362 in federal taxes; tax rate of 20%

What flat tax rate proposal do you think will charge them MORE, while NOT charging someone with low income and pays almost nothing.

A flat tax on gross income is an absurd fantasy.

 

[rightwinger]

Except...

Table 1203. Income before taxes: Annual expenditure means, shares, standard errors, and coefficients of variation, Consumer Expenditure
Survey, 2015

In 2015, the percent of pre-tax income spent only on food and housing was as follows:
< $15,000: 162.3%
$15,000 - $29,999: 72.8%
$30,000 - $39,999: 55.4%
$40,000 - $49,999: 45.6%
$50,000 - $69,999: 40.2%
$70,000 - $99,999: 35.2%
$100,000 - $149,999: 30.4%
$150,000 - $199,999: 27.4%
$200,000+ : 20.1%

You don't have to be an Economist to figure out that a flat tax would have a disproportionately negative effect on lower income groups. Especially keeping in mind that for those who make less than $30,000 their post-tax income is actually higher than pre-tax.

Spending an extra 10% on taxes will not affect any of the necessities of life for higher incomes, but absolutely will for lower incomes.

47% or so of Americans do not pay Federal taxes. They have no vested interest in how America does?

President Trump is part of that 47%

Then more reason for you to support a flat tax with no deductions on gross income.

I'd rather see him lose his exemption for making a bad investment

Now THAT's easy

So you don't like people investing in a possible cure for cancer?

Trump invested in an overpriced casino and airline with TRUMP on it

Hardly a cure for cancer

 

[Synthaholic]

Unfortunately the DC elitists require everything be so complex and you need to hire lawyers for everything so they can maintain control over you.

A flat tax on gross income, no deductions. Period.

You earn X dollars, you pay a percentage. Same percentage for all. I have no idea what that percentage should be, but for the sake of discussion say it is 10%. You earn $100,000, you pay $10,000. You earn $1,000 you pay $100.

But weatherman, the lowest earners are paying the same percentage as millionaires!

Yep. Everyone has a vested interest in America. The same vested interest on how America does.

Never going to happen.

Wingnuts go crazy over the possible loss of under 50,000 coal miner jobs. What would be the reaction of losing 500,000 to 3,000,000 CPA/accounting jobs?

The only ones opposing it here are lefties.

Can't directly respond to my post? Are you not smart enough? Do you need another cup of coffee first?

To subtle for you to grasp?

No conservative supports the current system. We'd love to have about 5 million jobs eliminated to reduce the burden WE pay for.

I'm saying it's politically impossible to make the tax system so simple that millions of people are put out of jobs and careers.

But you're too dumb to grasp that simple point.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Read the OP.

I did,

In it you say low income people will pay same % as millionaires, which is another way of saying low income will pay more and millionaires will pay less.

Unfortunately the DC elitists require everything be so complex and you need to hire lawyers for everything so they can maintain control over you.

And your strawman that the percent will be set so Obama pays less is just that - a strawman.

Just curious, what % do you THINK your flat tax will be?

Obama paid almost 20%, Bidden paid 23% - those are with charity deductions (are you seriously going to cut those out too?)

Obamas pay $93,362 in federal taxes; tax rate of 20%

What flat tax rate proposal do you think will charge them MORE?

I'm using even numbers to simplify things.
Let's say Gates

LETS NOT, you said Obama. We KNOW what Obama paid. Lets say Obama.

2nd grade math. $93k / Gross = %

 

[Weatherman2020]

Unfortunately the DC elitists require everything be so complex and you need to hire lawyers for everything so they can maintain control over you.

A flat tax on gross income, no deductions. Period.

You earn X dollars, you pay a percentage. Same percentage for all. I have no idea what that percentage should be, but for the sake of discussion say it is 10%. You earn $100,000, you pay $10,000. You earn $1,000 you pay $100.

But weatherman, the lowest earners are paying the same percentage as millionaires!

Yep. Everyone has a vested interest in America. The same vested interest on how America does.

Never going to happen.

Wingnuts go crazy over the possible loss of under 50,000 coal miner jobs. What would be the reaction of losing 500,000 to 3,000,000 CPA/accounting jobs?

The only ones opposing it here are lefties.

Can't directly respond to my post? Are you not smart enough? Do you need another cup of coffee first?

To subtle for you to grasp?

No conservative supports the current system. We'd love to have about 5 million jobs eliminated to reduce the burden WE pay for.

I'm saying it's politically impossible to make the tax system so simple that millions of people are put out of jobs and careers.

But you're too dumb to grasp that simple point.

You simply validate the OP.