Since when does the Catholic Church have the right to force their religious values...

[Neotrotsky]

Its really too bad seeing all the hate pour out from the left.

It is very sad all the hate from the Left

 

[California Girl]

Are you being an idiot on purpose?

don't bite the hand that feeds you.....

don't you realize that most of the government's tax money comes from RELIGIOUS people.....?

....maybe Catholics should start their own health care system....

Most tax money comes from working people, and what the Catholics want to do here is discriminate against working people over birth control,

some comically odd piece of Church dogma that even most Catholics don't give a shit about.

No, we don't. There are a plethora of alternative options for any female who feels she needs access to birth control.

And, fyi, most Catholics are also 'working people' and we also pay taxes.

And, again, most Catholics - by your own fucking polls - support the Church on this. Don't think just because you think it's 'comical' that others agree with you. Your lack of critical thinking is getting painful to watch.

 

[Jarhead]

So unless this healthcare law is ruled unconstitutional, religious law can't violate it.

That's been my point all along. Thanks for reinforcing it, in your own odd way.

Your President, when he needed the support of the Church to get his clusterfuck passed, promised us that we would never be asked to violate our doctrine. We intend, and we will, hold him to that promise. And we are not alone.

Your church already complies with this law, or forms of it, in 20 states.

This is the ultimate exercise in faux outrage by the Church.

lol...we could never do this!!! even though we already do this!!!!!!!!!

your Church is a farce.

look at your posts NYCarbineer.

According to you, anyone who thinks differently than you is a farce.

So that pretty much squashes the intergtiy of this post of yours in particular.

 

[NYcarbineer]

don't bite the hand that feeds you.....

don't you realize that most of the government's tax money comes from RELIGIOUS people.....?

....maybe Catholics should start their own health care system....

Most tax money comes from working people, and what the Catholics want to do here is discriminate against working people over birth control,

some comically odd piece of Church dogma that even most Catholics don't give a shit about.

discriminate - please

using your low level of definitions ...
Waivers granted to unions "discriminate" against all of us

I don't generally support waivers, what's your point? Two wrongs make a right?

 

[California Girl]

Your President, when he needed the support of the Church to get his clusterfuck passed, promised us that we would never be asked to violate our doctrine. We intend, and we will, hold him to that promise. And we are not alone.

Your church already complies with this law, or forms of it, in 20 states.

This is the ultimate exercise in faux outrage by the Church.

lol...we could never do this!!! even though we already do this!!!!!!!!!

your Church is a farce.

and our president is a liar

personally, i'm stunned

Me too.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Most tax money comes from working people, and what the Catholics want to do here is discriminate against working people over birth control,

some comically odd piece of Church dogma that even most Catholics don't give a shit about.

discriminate - please

using your low level of definitions ...
Waivers granted to unions "discriminate" against all of us

I don't generally support waivers, what's your point? Two wrongs make a right?

Papa Obama is turning us into a banana republic

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Just like all the unions that got waivers

Regulation is not law


Gov't by dictate- is so progressive

Actually, Catholics are only the example, it is religion in general


this not as an issue about birth control or even abortion
but as an issue of religious liberty and the nature of our nation.


Gov't by dictate
makes the US look more and more like a "banana republic"

 

[saveliberty]

The government is the one shoving beliefs on people here.

 

[California Girl]

So unless this healthcare law is ruled unconstitutional, religious law can't violate it.

That's been my point all along. Thanks for reinforcing it, in your own odd way.

Your President, when he needed the support of the Church to get his clusterfuck passed, promised us that we would never be asked to violate our doctrine. We intend, and we will, hold him to that promise. And we are not alone.

Your church already complies with this law, or forms of it, in 20 states.

This is the ultimate exercise in faux outrage by the Church.

lol...we could never do this!!! even though we already do this!!!!!!!!!

your Church is a farce.

Just for the craic of it... why don't you tell us how many of those states do not include the 'RomneyCare Clause' to waiver the Churches.

So you know, I've researched it. I suggest you do likewise. Because the next time you use this bogus argument, I am going to hang you with each and every of that 20.

Go.

 

[NYcarbineer]

don't bite the hand that feeds you.....

don't you realize that most of the government's tax money comes from RELIGIOUS people.....?

....maybe Catholics should start their own health care system....

Most tax money comes from working people, and what the Catholics want to do here is discriminate against working people over birth control,

some comically odd piece of Church dogma that even most Catholics don't give a shit about.

KNow the facts...then debate.

Obama asked for suppoort from the Catholic Church as he marketed his health care plan.
The Catholic Church offered to give suppoort for it as long as the plan did not force them to compromise their convictions.
Obama agreed and the Church, in return, supported his plan.

So what does the Church want?

For the President of the United States to be true to his word.

We can debate all the other stuff all we want...but it is irrelevant.

The Church GOT an exemption you fool. How many times do you people have to be told that?

Businesses run by Catholics are not the Church. They are businesses.

 

[del]

Most tax money comes from working people, and what the Catholics want to do here is discriminate against working people over birth control,

some comically odd piece of Church dogma that even most Catholics don't give a shit about.

discriminate - please

using your low level of definitions ...
Waivers granted to unions "discriminate" against all of us

I don't generally support waivers, what's your point? Two wrongs make a right?

i believe the poster was pointing out your blatant hypocrisy, although the only one oblivious to it is you.

 

[Jarhead]

Most tax money comes from working people, and what the Catholics want to do here is discriminate against working people over birth control,

some comically odd piece of Church dogma that even most Catholics don't give a shit about.

discriminate - please

using your low level of definitions ...
Waivers granted to unions "discriminate" against all of us

I don't generally support waivers, what's your point? Two wrongs make a right?

no..

But when the same person sees one thing as right and then sees the same thing again as wrong......based on the benefactors of a decision?

It is time for his most devout supporters to abandon him.

But you wont.

 

[Jarhead]

Most tax money comes from working people, and what the Catholics want to do here is discriminate against working people over birth control,

some comically odd piece of Church dogma that even most Catholics don't give a shit about.

KNow the facts...then debate.

Obama asked for suppoort from the Catholic Church as he marketed his health care plan.
The Catholic Church offered to give suppoort for it as long as the plan did not force them to compromise their convictions.
Obama agreed and the Church, in return, supported his plan.

So what does the Church want?

For the President of the United States to be true to his word.

We can debate all the other stuff all we want...but it is irrelevant.

The Church GOT an exemption you fool. How many times do you people have to be told that?

Businesses run by Catholics are not the Church. They are businesses.

well...now I see what your problem is.

You fall for the rhetoric and the spin.

I thought that was reserved for the simple minded..

Maybe it still is.....

 

[Papageorgio]

Obama Has made deals with people, businesses, unions and organizations. His word to the Catholic Church, he has broken. He made a deal and now he reneged. This should be a lesson for everyone else, he is not a man of his word. He is a man of expediency. This maybe why he had so much trouble getting health care passed when he had both the House and the Senate. Maybe the Democrats in Congress, already knew that making deals with this President, was futile.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

don't bite the hand that feeds you.....

don't you realize that most of the government's tax money comes from RELIGIOUS people.....?

....maybe Catholics should start their own health care system....

Most tax money comes from working people, and what the Catholics want to do here is discriminate against working people over birth control,

some comically odd piece of Church dogma that even most Catholics don't give a shit about.

KNow the facts...then debate.

Obama asked for suppoort from the Catholic Church as he marketed his health care plan.
The Catholic Church offered to give suppoort for it as long as the plan did not force them to compromise their convictions.
Obama agreed and the Church, in return, supported his plan.

So what does the Church want?

For the President of the United States to be true to his word.

We can debate all the other stuff all we want...but it is irrelevant.

it would be so easy for the Left to exempt religious institutions from the requirement (they've exempted unions from Obiecare entirely).......but has anybody heard from the White House lately.........?

this is pure prime Leftie hatred of religion....their most formidable enemy....

 

[saveliberty]

How many companies stepped up for waivers on Obamacare? It was a sizable number.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Oddly enough

a larger percentage went to districts and friends of Democrat

Now that is how democracy works
(especially in central American countries)

 

[LilOlLady]

KEEP CHRUCH AND STATE OUT OF OUR BEDROOMS.


In birth control debate, whose conscience will rule?


Among American women, birth control is as non-controversial as a trip to the mall. Ninety-nine percent of American women have relied upon some type of birth control during their lifetimes. Some conservatives have argued that the birth control pill ushered in an age of promiscuity, but most women thank God for the tools that allow them to conceive when they have the financial and emotional resources to do so, and not when they don’t.

Birth control is non-controversially good for families and children. According to the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy, “a child born as the result of an unintended pregnancy is at greater risk of premature birth, low birth weight and abuse or neglect, and babies who are born early or too small have a greater chance of dying in their first year of life.” Planned children are more likely to benefit from good prenatal care, and to be breast fed.

Increased use of birth control correlates to a decline in abortions – supposedly a goal of politicians on both sides of the aisle. Contraceptive services at publicly funded clinics in 2008 helped avert 973,000 unintended pregnancies, which would have resulted in 433,000 unplanned births and 403,000 abortions.

In birth control debate, whose conscience will rule? - The Washington Post

 

[Neotrotsky]

CDC: Abortion Kills More Blacks Than the 7 Leading Causes of Death Combined- Why doesn't the MSM report this when talking about Democrats' support for abortion in PapaObamaCare?

Abortion killed at least 203,991 blacks in the 36 states and two cities (New York City and the District of Columbia) that reported abortions by race, according to the CDC. During that year, according to the CDC, a total of 198,385 blacks nationwide died from heart disease, cancer, strokes, accidents, diabetes, homicide, and chronic lower respiratory diseases combined.

Of course this number falls short since all districts do not report abortions by race. - we wonder why?

(California, Florida, Illinois and the rest of New York state outside of New York City do not report by race)


This must make Pelosi and the Democrats proud as well that they are "reducing costs" to gov't

Flashback:

The revelation came during an exchange Sunday morning on ABC's THIS WEEK.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Hundreds of millions of dollars to expand family planning services. How is that stimulus?

PELOSI: Well, the family planning services reduce cost. They reduce cost. The states are in terrible fiscal budget crises now and part of what we do for children's health,
education and some of those elements are to help the states meet their financial needs. One of those - one of the initiatives you mentioned, the contraception,
will reduce costs to the states and to the federal government.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So no apologies for that?

PELOSI: No apologies. No. we have to deal with the consequences of the downturn in our economy.
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I was waiting for the Progressives to play the "it's for the children" card
Of course advocating abortion and such, it might be a hard sell

Really, who wants some religion to tell you want to do
when you have the gov't so willing and capable to guide
us to a moral life

 

[LilOlLady]

Obama Has made deals with people, businesses, unions and organizations. His word to the Catholic Church, he has broken. He made a deal and now he reneged. This should be a lesson for everyone else, he is not a man of his word. He is a man of expediency. This maybe why he had so much trouble getting health care passed when he had both the House and the Senate. Maybe the Democrats in Congress, already knew that making deals with this President, was futile.

The issue of birth control has nothing to do with religions but healthcare. Do the bill mandate that he catholic church pay for birthcontrol or the healthcare plan? The catholic church go a lot of nerve being so holy than thou. They don't condone rape of children and nuns and aborting of babies of pregnant nuns, but bithrcontrol? Hypocrites and GOD will deal with them in due time.

The nun's tale.
Priests, Monk claimed, under the pretext that such godly men could not sin, regularly used nuns for sex in a private room reserved for “holy retreats.” On the very day she took her solemn vows, she said that she herself had been forced to have intercourse with three priests, and once again with the first for good measure. More on that later.

Monk said she had personally witnessed an offspring from such a union being immediately baptized after birth, nonchalantly suffocated, and tossed into a pit of lime in the basement (where there were presumably others), with acid later added to dissolve the tiny corpse. A ledger she found in the Superior’s office listed many more.
Maria Monk Reconsidered