Sister sums up the hypocrisy of many in the pro life movement

[Dr Grump]

Do aborted children escape unmolested from the womb? Yes or no?

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You have no idea what the word molested means. Also, 95% of abortions are carried out in the first trimester. Hardly children.

 

[Chuz Life]

Do aborted children escape unmolested from the womb? Yes or no?

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You have no idea what the word molested means. Also, 95% of abortions are carried out in the first trimester. Hardly children.

No.

YOU are the one that has no idea of how the word molestation is applicable to a child in the womb targeted by abortions.

"The Pacific Grove Police Department enforces strict regulations that prohibit the "molestation of butterflies." The fine? $1,000."

I submit that if the word can be fittingly applied to the disturbing of BUTTERFLIES in a LEGAL sense like that law... it can apply to the disturbance (and killings) of children in the womb as well.

You don't like the recognition of the biological fact that it's a child?

Tough shit.

 

[Mudda]

Do aborted children escape unmolested from the womb? Yes or no?

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You have no idea what the word molested means. Also, 95% of abortions are carried out in the first trimester. Hardly children.

No.

YOU are the one that has no idea of how the word molestation is applicable to a child in the womb targeted by abortions.

"The Pacific Grove Police Department enforces strict regulations that prohibit the "molestation of butterflies." The fine? $1,000."

I submit that if the word can be fittingly applied to the disturbing of BUTTERFLIES in a LEGAL sense like that law... it can apply to the disturbance (and killings) of children in the womb as well.

You don't like the recognition of the biological fact that it's a child?

Tough shit.

The problem is that the anti-abortion movement is religion based. Not everyone sees things from that perspective. The difference is, the pro-choice side doesn't force its views on everyone, you can have an abortion, or not. It's your choice. The anti-abortion side wants to force everyone to agree with their point of view. Which isn't what the US is all about. Well, until Pence came along.

 

[PK1]

Margaret Sanger believed abortion was immoral. Why don't you believe that abortion is immoral?

Do you have a reference for your claim about Sanger's "abortion is immoral" belief?

Sanger's main interest was availability of birth control for women. She thought abortion was a last-resort choice that was unhealthy, esp for poor women who did not have access to good medical care. She considered it immoral to force the abortion option on poor women because contraception was restricted.

 

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Margaret Sanger believed abortion was immoral. Why don't you believe that abortion is immoral?

Do you have a reference for your claim about Sanger's "abortion is immoral" belief?

Sanger's main interest was availability of birth control for women. She thought abortion was a last-resort choice that was unhealthy, esp for poor women who did not have access to good medical care. She considered it immoral to force the abortion option on poor women because contraception was restricted.

The Public Papers of Margaret Sanger: Web Edition

While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization.

What Did Margaret Sanger Think about Abortion? | RedState

From Chapter II of her 1920 book Woman and the New Race, she states the following:

So, too, with woman’s struggle for emancipation. Women in all lands and all ages have instinctively desired family limitation. Usually this desire has been laid to economic pressure. Frequently the pressure has existed, but the driving force behind woman’s aspiration toward freedom has lain deeper. It has asserted itself among the rich and among the poor, among the intelligent and the unintelligent. It has been manifested in such horrors as infanticide, child abandonment and abortion.

From Chapter X of the same:

While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization.

She doesn’t stop there, though. In a speech to the Sixth International Neo-Malthusian and Birth Control Conference, she said the following:

Human society must protect its children–yes, but prenatal care is most essential! The child-to-be, as yet not called into being, has rights no less imperative.

In her 1938 autobiography, Sanger says the following on page 217:

To each group we explained simply what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not begun.

One final misconception about Mrs. Sanger must also be addressed, it seems, and in this case the truth will terribly inconvenience the propaganda efforts all around. It is not right, pace Planned Parenthood, that Margaret Sanger declined to advocate abortion on grounds that it was then a dangerous and illegal surgery. “There are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician,” she wrote in 1920, and “we know that abortion, when performed by skilled hands, under right conditions, brings almost no danger to the life of the patient.” On the evidence in “The Woman Rebel,” the real reason Sanger declined to advocate abortion, notwithstanding the law’s flexibility and what she took to be the procedure’s safety, is that abortion appalled her.

She turned women seeking abortions away from her clinics: “I do not approve of abortion.” She called it “sordid,” “abhorrent,” “terrible,” “barbaric,” a “horror.” She called abortionists “blood-sucking men with MD after their names who perform operations for the price of so-and-so.” She called the results of abortion “an outrageous slaughter,” “infanticide,” “foeticide,” and “the killing of babies.” And Margaret Sanger, who knew a thing or two about contraception, said that birth control “has nothing to do with abortion, it has nothing to do with interfering with or disturbing life after conception has taken place.” Birth control stands alone: “It is the first, last, and final step we all are to take to have real human emancipation.”

 

[PK1]

Margaret Sanger believed abortion was immoral. Why don't you believe that abortion is immoral?

Do you have a reference for your claim about Sanger's "abortion is immoral" belief?

Sanger's main interest was availability of birth control for women. She thought abortion was a last-resort choice that was unhealthy, esp for poor women who did not have access to good medical care. She considered it immoral to force the abortion option on poor women because contraception was restricted.

The Public Papers of Margaret Sanger: Web Edition

While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization.

What Did Margaret Sanger Think about Abortion? | RedState

From Chapter II of her 1920 book Woman and the New Race, she states the following:

So, too, with woman’s struggle for emancipation. Women in all lands and all ages have instinctively desired family limitation. Usually this desire has been laid to economic pressure. Frequently the pressure has existed, but the driving force behind woman’s aspiration toward freedom has lain deeper. It has asserted itself among the rich and among the poor, among the intelligent and the unintelligent. It has been manifested in such horrors as infanticide, child abandonment and abortion.

From Chapter X of the same:

While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization.

She doesn’t stop there, though. In a speech to the Sixth International Neo-Malthusian and Birth Control Conference, she said the following:

Human society must protect its children–yes, but prenatal care is most essential! The child-to-be, as yet not called into being, has rights no less imperative.

In her 1938 autobiography, Sanger says the following on page 217:

To each group we explained simply what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not begun.

One final misconception about Mrs. Sanger must also be addressed, it seems, and in this case the truth will terribly inconvenience the propaganda efforts all around. It is not right, pace Planned Parenthood, that Margaret Sanger declined to advocate abortion on grounds that it was then a dangerous and illegal surgery. “There are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician,” she wrote in 1920, and “we know that abortion, when performed by skilled hands, under right conditions, brings almost no danger to the life of the patient.” On the evidence in “The Woman Rebel,” the real reason Sanger declined to advocate abortion, notwithstanding the law’s flexibility and what she took to be the procedure’s safety, is that abortion appalled her.

Good documentation, on initial inspection! And i agree that abortion should be a last choice.
However, my main belief about Sanger's focus remain:

Sanger's main interest was availability & usage of birth control for women. She thought abortion was a last-resort choice that was unhealthy, esp for poor women who did not have access to good medical care. She considered it immoral to force the abortion option on poor women because contraception was restricted.

 

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Margaret Sanger believed abortion was immoral. Why don't you believe that abortion is immoral?

Do you have a reference for your claim about Sanger's "abortion is immoral" belief?

Sanger's main interest was availability of birth control for women. She thought abortion was a last-resort choice that was unhealthy, esp for poor women who did not have access to good medical care. She considered it immoral to force the abortion option on poor women because contraception was restricted.

The Public Papers of Margaret Sanger: Web Edition

While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization.

What Did Margaret Sanger Think about Abortion? | RedState

From Chapter II of her 1920 book Woman and the New Race, she states the following:

So, too, with woman’s struggle for emancipation. Women in all lands and all ages have instinctively desired family limitation. Usually this desire has been laid to economic pressure. Frequently the pressure has existed, but the driving force behind woman’s aspiration toward freedom has lain deeper. It has asserted itself among the rich and among the poor, among the intelligent and the unintelligent. It has been manifested in such horrors as infanticide, child abandonment and abortion.

From Chapter X of the same:

While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization.

She doesn’t stop there, though. In a speech to the Sixth International Neo-Malthusian and Birth Control Conference, she said the following:

Human society must protect its children–yes, but prenatal care is most essential! The child-to-be, as yet not called into being, has rights no less imperative.

In her 1938 autobiography, Sanger says the following on page 217:

To each group we explained simply what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not begun.

One final misconception about Mrs. Sanger must also be addressed, it seems, and in this case the truth will terribly inconvenience the propaganda efforts all around. It is not right, pace Planned Parenthood, that Margaret Sanger declined to advocate abortion on grounds that it was then a dangerous and illegal surgery. “There are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician,” she wrote in 1920, and “we know that abortion, when performed by skilled hands, under right conditions, brings almost no danger to the life of the patient.” On the evidence in “The Woman Rebel,” the real reason Sanger declined to advocate abortion, notwithstanding the law’s flexibility and what she took to be the procedure’s safety, is that abortion appalled her.

Good documentation, on initial inspection! And i agree that abortion should be a last choice.
However, my main belief about Sanger's focus remain:

Sanger's main interest was availability & usage of birth control for women. She thought abortion was a last-resort choice that was unhealthy, esp for poor women who did not have access to good medical care. She considered it immoral to force the abortion option on poor women because contraception was restricted.

No. She didn't think abortion was a last resort. Margaret Sanger believed that abortion was an abomination.

 

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How False Narratives of Margaret Sanger Are Being Used to Shame Black Women - Rewire

"But on to the truth about Margaret Sanger.

Sanger was pro-birth control and anti-abortion. This may surprise you, considering that Planned Parenthood opponents frequently accuse Sanger of erecting abortion clinics in Black neighborhoods, a practice they claim the organization continues to this day.

But this is simply not true.

Sanger opposed abortion. She believed it to be a barbaric practice. In her own words, “[a]lthough abortion may be resorted to in order to save the life of the mother, the practice of it merely for limitation of offspring is dangerous and vicious.” Her views are, ironically, in keeping with the views of many of the anti-choicers who malign and distort her legacy.

In fact, Planned Parenthood did not even begin performing abortions until after 1973, when the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision in Roe v. Wade legalized the practice. Margaret Sanger had been dead for four years by then."

 

[PK1]

Margaret Sanger believed abortion was immoral. Why don't you believe that abortion is immoral?

Do you have a reference for your claim about Sanger's "abortion is immoral" belief?

Sanger's main interest was availability of birth control for women. She thought abortion was a last-resort choice that was unhealthy, esp for poor women who did not have access to good medical care. She considered it immoral to force the abortion option on poor women because contraception was restricted.

The Public Papers of Margaret Sanger: Web Edition

While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization.

What Did Margaret Sanger Think about Abortion? | RedState

From Chapter II of her 1920 book Woman and the New Race, she states the following:

So, too, with woman’s struggle for emancipation. Women in all lands and all ages have instinctively desired family limitation. Usually this desire has been laid to economic pressure. Frequently the pressure has existed, but the driving force behind woman’s aspiration toward freedom has lain deeper. It has asserted itself among the rich and among the poor, among the intelligent and the unintelligent. It has been manifested in such horrors as infanticide, child abandonment and abortion.

From Chapter X of the same:

While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization.

She doesn’t stop there, though. In a speech to the Sixth International Neo-Malthusian and Birth Control Conference, she said the following:

Human society must protect its children–yes, but prenatal care is most essential! The child-to-be, as yet not called into being, has rights no less imperative.

In her 1938 autobiography, Sanger says the following on page 217:

To each group we explained simply what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not begun.

One final misconception about Mrs. Sanger must also be addressed, it seems, and in this case the truth will terribly inconvenience the propaganda efforts all around. It is not right, pace Planned Parenthood, that Margaret Sanger declined to advocate abortion on grounds that it was then a dangerous and illegal surgery. “There are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician,” she wrote in 1920, and “we know that abortion, when performed by skilled hands, under right conditions, brings almost no danger to the life of the patient.” On the evidence in “The Woman Rebel,” the real reason Sanger declined to advocate abortion, notwithstanding the law’s flexibility and what she took to be the procedure’s safety, is that abortion appalled her.

Good documentation, on initial inspection! And i agree that abortion should be a last choice.
However, my main belief about Sanger's focus remain:

Sanger's main interest was availability & usage of birth control for women. She thought abortion was a last-resort choice that was unhealthy, esp for poor women who did not have access to good medical care. She considered it immoral to force the abortion option on poor women because contraception was restricted.

No. She didn't think abortion was a last resort. Margaret Sanger believed that abortion was an abomination.

My interpretation of the docs is that Margaret Sanger believed that abortion was an abomination ... because birth control by contraception was a much better alternative to restrict unwanted pregnancies. Prevention is better than surgery. Hence, planned parenthood is a humane policy.

 

[Correll]

In one simple quote, Sister Joan Chittister, O.S.B. sums up the hypocrisy of many in the 'pro-life' movement:

"I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is."

This quote applies well to many Republican lawmakers who continue to introduce/pass restrictive misogynist laws against woman's reproductive rights. At the same time, the GOP works to shut down women's health clinics, with a special vengeance towards Planned Parenthood (#StandWithPP). You don't hear of these Right Wing anti-choice

Catholic Nun Explains Pro-Life In A Way That Will Stun Many (Especially Republican Lawmakers)

Well said and so true.

THat nun is a fucking moron who doesn't know her own faith nor anything about republcian policies.

 

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Margaret Sanger believed abortion was immoral. Why don't you believe that abortion is immoral?

Do you have a reference for your claim about Sanger's "abortion is immoral" belief?

Sanger's main interest was availability of birth control for women. She thought abortion was a last-resort choice that was unhealthy, esp for poor women who did not have access to good medical care. She considered it immoral to force the abortion option on poor women because contraception was restricted.

The Public Papers of Margaret Sanger: Web Edition

While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization.

What Did Margaret Sanger Think about Abortion? | RedState

From Chapter II of her 1920 book Woman and the New Race, she states the following:

So, too, with woman’s struggle for emancipation. Women in all lands and all ages have instinctively desired family limitation. Usually this desire has been laid to economic pressure. Frequently the pressure has existed, but the driving force behind woman’s aspiration toward freedom has lain deeper. It has asserted itself among the rich and among the poor, among the intelligent and the unintelligent. It has been manifested in such horrors as infanticide, child abandonment and abortion.

From Chapter X of the same:

While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization.

She doesn’t stop there, though. In a speech to the Sixth International Neo-Malthusian and Birth Control Conference, she said the following:

Human society must protect its children–yes, but prenatal care is most essential! The child-to-be, as yet not called into being, has rights no less imperative.

In her 1938 autobiography, Sanger says the following on page 217:

To each group we explained simply what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not begun.

One final misconception about Mrs. Sanger must also be addressed, it seems, and in this case the truth will terribly inconvenience the propaganda efforts all around. It is not right, pace Planned Parenthood, that Margaret Sanger declined to advocate abortion on grounds that it was then a dangerous and illegal surgery. “There are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician,” she wrote in 1920, and “we know that abortion, when performed by skilled hands, under right conditions, brings almost no danger to the life of the patient.” On the evidence in “The Woman Rebel,” the real reason Sanger declined to advocate abortion, notwithstanding the law’s flexibility and what she took to be the procedure’s safety, is that abortion appalled her.

Good documentation, on initial inspection! And i agree that abortion should be a last choice.
However, my main belief about Sanger's focus remain:

Sanger's main interest was availability & usage of birth control for women. She thought abortion was a last-resort choice that was unhealthy, esp for poor women who did not have access to good medical care. She considered it immoral to force the abortion option on poor women because contraception was restricted.

No. She didn't think abortion was a last resort. Margaret Sanger believed that abortion was an abomination.

My interpretation of the docs is that Margaret Sanger believed that abortion was an abomination ... because birth control by contraception was a much better alternative to restrict unwanted pregnancies. Prevention is better than surgery. Hence, planned parenthood is a humane policy.

No. Margaret Sanger believed that abortion was immoral because abortion ends a human life. And she is correct.

 

[PK1]

Do you have a reference for your claim about Sanger's "abortion is immoral" belief?

Sanger's main interest was availability of birth control for women. She thought abortion was a last-resort choice that was unhealthy, esp for poor women who did not have access to good medical care. She considered it immoral to force the abortion option on poor women because contraception was restricted.

The Public Papers of Margaret Sanger: Web Edition

While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization.

What Did Margaret Sanger Think about Abortion? | RedState

From Chapter II of her 1920 book Woman and the New Race, she states the following:

So, too, with woman’s struggle for emancipation. Women in all lands and all ages have instinctively desired family limitation. Usually this desire has been laid to economic pressure. Frequently the pressure has existed, but the driving force behind woman’s aspiration toward freedom has lain deeper. It has asserted itself among the rich and among the poor, among the intelligent and the unintelligent. It has been manifested in such horrors as infanticide, child abandonment and abortion.

From Chapter X of the same:

While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization.

She doesn’t stop there, though. In a speech to the Sixth International Neo-Malthusian and Birth Control Conference, she said the following:

Human society must protect its children–yes, but prenatal care is most essential! The child-to-be, as yet not called into being, has rights no less imperative.

In her 1938 autobiography, Sanger says the following on page 217:

To each group we explained simply what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not begun.

One final misconception about Mrs. Sanger must also be addressed, it seems, and in this case the truth will terribly inconvenience the propaganda efforts all around. It is not right, pace Planned Parenthood, that Margaret Sanger declined to advocate abortion on grounds that it was then a dangerous and illegal surgery. “There are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician,” she wrote in 1920, and “we know that abortion, when performed by skilled hands, under right conditions, brings almost no danger to the life of the patient.” On the evidence in “The Woman Rebel,” the real reason Sanger declined to advocate abortion, notwithstanding the law’s flexibility and what she took to be the procedure’s safety, is that abortion appalled her.

Good documentation, on initial inspection! And i agree that abortion should be a last choice.
However, my main belief about Sanger's focus remain:

Sanger's main interest was availability & usage of birth control for women. She thought abortion was a last-resort choice that was unhealthy, esp for poor women who did not have access to good medical care. She considered it immoral to force the abortion option on poor women because contraception was restricted.

No. She didn't think abortion was a last resort. Margaret Sanger believed that abortion was an abomination.

My interpretation of the docs is that Margaret Sanger believed that abortion was an abomination ... because birth control by contraception was a much better alternative to restrict unwanted pregnancies. Prevention is better than surgery. Hence, planned parenthood is a humane policy.

No. Margaret Sanger believed that abortion was immoral because abortion ends a human life. And she is correct.

That is your interpretation, with a focus on abortion that few desire.
Sanger started Planned Parenthood to assist all women in planning their pregnancies, with a focus on preferred birth control options. After Sanger died, safe abortion procedures eventually became a last-resort legal option for birth control.

 

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The Public Papers of Margaret Sanger: Web Edition

While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization.

What Did Margaret Sanger Think about Abortion? | RedState

From Chapter II of her 1920 book Woman and the New Race, she states the following:

So, too, with woman’s struggle for emancipation. Women in all lands and all ages have instinctively desired family limitation. Usually this desire has been laid to economic pressure. Frequently the pressure has existed, but the driving force behind woman’s aspiration toward freedom has lain deeper. It has asserted itself among the rich and among the poor, among the intelligent and the unintelligent. It has been manifested in such horrors as infanticide, child abandonment and abortion.

From Chapter X of the same:

While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization.

She doesn’t stop there, though. In a speech to the Sixth International Neo-Malthusian and Birth Control Conference, she said the following:

Human society must protect its children–yes, but prenatal care is most essential! The child-to-be, as yet not called into being, has rights no less imperative.

In her 1938 autobiography, Sanger says the following on page 217:

To each group we explained simply what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not begun.

One final misconception about Mrs. Sanger must also be addressed, it seems, and in this case the truth will terribly inconvenience the propaganda efforts all around. It is not right, pace Planned Parenthood, that Margaret Sanger declined to advocate abortion on grounds that it was then a dangerous and illegal surgery. “There are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician,” she wrote in 1920, and “we know that abortion, when performed by skilled hands, under right conditions, brings almost no danger to the life of the patient.” On the evidence in “The Woman Rebel,” the real reason Sanger declined to advocate abortion, notwithstanding the law’s flexibility and what she took to be the procedure’s safety, is that abortion appalled her.

Good documentation, on initial inspection! And i agree that abortion should be a last choice.
However, my main belief about Sanger's focus remain:

Sanger's main interest was availability & usage of birth control for women. She thought abortion was a last-resort choice that was unhealthy, esp for poor women who did not have access to good medical care. She considered it immoral to force the abortion option on poor women because contraception was restricted.

No. She didn't think abortion was a last resort. Margaret Sanger believed that abortion was an abomination.

My interpretation of the docs is that Margaret Sanger believed that abortion was an abomination ... because birth control by contraception was a much better alternative to restrict unwanted pregnancies. Prevention is better than surgery. Hence, planned parenthood is a humane policy.

No. Margaret Sanger believed that abortion was immoral because abortion ends a human life. And she is correct.

That is your interpretation, with a focus on abortion that few desire.
Sanger started Planned Parenthood to assist all women in planning their pregnancies, with a focus on preferred birth control options. After Sanger died, safe abortion procedures eventually became a last-resort legal option for birth control.

No. It is not my interpretation. It is her own words, beliefs and actions. Margaret Sanger believed abortion was morally wrong because abortion ends the life of a human being. Margaret Sanger believed abortion was barbaric and an abomination to man. Can you show me any evidence to support your position?

 

[PK1]

Good documentation, on initial inspection! And i agree that abortion should be a last choice.
However, my main belief about Sanger's focus remain:

Sanger's main interest was availability & usage of birth control for women. She thought abortion was a last-resort choice that was unhealthy, esp for poor women who did not have access to good medical care. She considered it immoral to force the abortion option on poor women because contraception was restricted.

No. She didn't think abortion was a last resort. Margaret Sanger believed that abortion was an abomination.

My interpretation of the docs is that Margaret Sanger believed that abortion was an abomination ... because birth control by contraception was a much better alternative to restrict unwanted pregnancies. Prevention is better than surgery. Hence, planned parenthood is a humane policy.

No. Margaret Sanger believed that abortion was immoral because abortion ends a human life. And she is correct.

That is your interpretation, with a focus on abortion that few desire.
Sanger started Planned Parenthood to assist all women in planning their pregnancies, with a focus on preferred birth control options. After Sanger died, safe abortion procedures eventually became a last-resort legal option for birth control.

No. It is not my interpretation. It is her own words, beliefs and actions. Margaret Sanger believed abortion was morally wrong because abortion ends the life of a human being. Margaret Sanger believed abortion was barbaric and an abomination to man. Can you show me any evidence to support your position?

This appears to explain her anti-abortion view at a time when it was illegal and helped her cause for her primary focus on preventing unwanted pregnancies.
The Public Papers of Margaret Sanger: Web Edition

 

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No. She didn't think abortion was a last resort. Margaret Sanger believed that abortion was an abomination.

My interpretation of the docs is that Margaret Sanger believed that abortion was an abomination ... because birth control by contraception was a much better alternative to restrict unwanted pregnancies. Prevention is better than surgery. Hence, planned parenthood is a humane policy.

No. Margaret Sanger believed that abortion was immoral because abortion ends a human life. And she is correct.

That is your interpretation, with a focus on abortion that few desire.
Sanger started Planned Parenthood to assist all women in planning their pregnancies, with a focus on preferred birth control options. After Sanger died, safe abortion procedures eventually became a last-resort legal option for birth control.

No. It is not my interpretation. It is her own words, beliefs and actions. Margaret Sanger believed abortion was morally wrong because abortion ends the life of a human being. Margaret Sanger believed abortion was barbaric and an abomination to man. Can you show me any evidence to support your position?

This appears to explain her anti-abortion view at a time when it was illegal and helped her cause for her primary focus on preventing unwanted pregnancies.
The Public Papers of Margaret Sanger: Web Edition

And in there Margaret Sanger said abortion was a disgrace to civilization. So, it proves my point, not yours. Do you have anything else because I have quite a bit more.

 

[PK1]

My interpretation of the docs is that Margaret Sanger believed that abortion was an abomination ... because birth control by contraception was a much better alternative to restrict unwanted pregnancies. Prevention is better than surgery. Hence, planned parenthood is a humane policy.

No. Margaret Sanger believed that abortion was immoral because abortion ends a human life. And she is correct.

That is your interpretation, with a focus on abortion that few desire.
Sanger started Planned Parenthood to assist all women in planning their pregnancies, with a focus on preferred birth control options. After Sanger died, safe abortion procedures eventually became a last-resort legal option for birth control.

No. It is not my interpretation. It is her own words, beliefs and actions. Margaret Sanger believed abortion was morally wrong because abortion ends the life of a human being. Margaret Sanger believed abortion was barbaric and an abomination to man. Can you show me any evidence to support your position?

This appears to explain her anti-abortion view at a time when it was illegal and helped her cause for her primary focus on preventing unwanted pregnancies.
The Public Papers of Margaret Sanger: Web Edition

And in there Margaret Sanger said abortion was a disgrace to civilization. So, it proves my point, not yours. Do you have anything else because I have quite a bit more.

We agree that Sanger was against abortion; her focus was on preventing unwanted pregnancies.
You go ahead and focus on your negative abortion angle, and I'll go ahead and focus on planned parenthood, a positive for ALL.

 

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No. Margaret Sanger believed that abortion was immoral because abortion ends a human life. And she is correct.

That is your interpretation, with a focus on abortion that few desire.
Sanger started Planned Parenthood to assist all women in planning their pregnancies, with a focus on preferred birth control options. After Sanger died, safe abortion procedures eventually became a last-resort legal option for birth control.

No. It is not my interpretation. It is her own words, beliefs and actions. Margaret Sanger believed abortion was morally wrong because abortion ends the life of a human being. Margaret Sanger believed abortion was barbaric and an abomination to man. Can you show me any evidence to support your position?

This appears to explain her anti-abortion view at a time when it was illegal and helped her cause for her primary focus on preventing unwanted pregnancies.
The Public Papers of Margaret Sanger: Web Edition

And in there Margaret Sanger said abortion was a disgrace to civilization. So, it proves my point, not yours. Do you have anything else because I have quite a bit more.

We agree that Sanger was against abortion; her focus was on preventing unwanted pregnancies.
You go ahead and focus on your negative abortion angle, and I'll go ahead and focus on planned parenthood, a positive for ALL.

My point is that even the founder of planned parenthood knew that it was wrong to end a human life.

 

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A great video on the subject:

 

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In one simple quote, Sister Joan Chittister, O.S.B. sums up the hypocrisy of many in the 'pro-life' movement:

"I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is."

This quote applies well to many Republican lawmakers who continue to introduce/pass restrictive misogynist laws against woman's reproductive rights. At the same time, the GOP works to shut down women's health clinics, with a special vengeance towards Planned Parenthood (#StandWithPP). You don't hear of these Right Wing anti-choice

Catholic Nun Explains Pro-Life In A Way That Will Stun Many (Especially Republican Lawmakers)

Well said and so true.

If any single woman could go out and get a job that could afford to raise a child properly by herself I'd be much much much more open to the pro life movement.

I would say the woman is selfish but with how much it takes to raise a child I see why young girls choose to get abortions.

Many pro life people can afford an unexpected grandbaby and deep down they want it. What about the women who don't want it?

Again, if these women could have the baby and lead a comfortable life, or if I thought these women would raise good citizens I'd be more pro life.

Look at Detroit schools. All the white pro lifers don't want their tax dollars going to Detroit schools but they want young poor inner city women having children who will be forced to attend these shithole.

And they are asking poor uneducated women to be smart and safe. Lol.

That is the stupidest rationalization there is. First of all, conservatives are compassionate, we just don't agree with you stupid socialists on how to solve the problem. Clearly your way is not working. Secondly, it is you who does not want to be burdened by poor people having babies. So take that holier than thou attitude and shove it firmly up your ass, hypocrite.

 

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A great video on the subject:

Yes, a "great" anti-abortion propaganda film.
Here is a revealing comment on the film's own website (maafa21.com) :

While I appreciate the history and have done my own research, I don\'t appreciate the attempt to take the MAAFA and turn it into a pro-life agenda. Your indictments of forced sterilization, eugenics, and even the early mission of Mary Sanger are well documented. However, the logic of the documentary started to unravel when you combined your right to life agenda with the reality that abortion is a choice. Interestingly, you left out W.E.B. Dubois and MLK as supporters of birth control. Overall, you are using the same tactics you condemn in the documentary by masking your agenda under the guise of Black Genocide.
BARLOW OF HARLEM, NY