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You are so busy throwing out the term "hate" it is apparent you have no understanding of the meaning of the wordMaternity Leaves are usually unpaid leaves. All the businesses are doing, is promising not to fire the Mother. And it took years of bitter fighting to get them to agree to that. Very few if any businesses pay for Maternity Leaves.
It would be nice if we could evolve as a species and start showing our Mothers & Fathers some respect and compassion. But i know humanity as a whole, isn't ready for that. Hate & greed still rule humanity. Maybe someday we'll change though.
"Sit home and raise your children"But most greedy white Republican dudes do pretty much feel that way.
Oh, bull fucking shit! Nobody has ever denied the need for parental leave subsequent to having a baby. The problem is that morons like you are demanding that businesses be legally forced to provide unreasonable amounts of leave, and that they pay individuals who are on leave. Which is absolute horse shit!
Hey, if a company chooses to offer 12 months of paid parental leave as a benefit to its employees, then by all means go right ahead. But there's no fucking justification to legislatively mandate it.
Right wingers really are primitive, greedy, miserly and regressive.
The smart economics of Norway’s parental leave, and why the U.S. should consider it
The smart economics of Norway’s parental leave, and why the U.S. should consider it
""""In Norway, parents are entitled to 46 weeks at full salary, or 56 weeks at 80 percent pay. In France, I had four months of paid maternity leave, plus an additional paid month for breastfeeding (not to mention the nice cheese selection in the maternity ward and the fully-covered ‘re-education’ sessions for my nether regions). Both Norway and France also offer highly-subsidized early child care.
Had I stayed at my federal government job in Washington, D.C., I would have had zero paid maternity leave. I would have had to apply for “disability” pay – capped at four weeks, and unpaid. What incentive did this provide for me to start my family in my mother country?
A report on the State of the World’s Mothers notes that the U.S. has the “least generous maternity leave policy of any wealthy nation.” American women are resigning in numbers that far outpace men, in part for reasons of motherhood. Where is the best place to be a mother? Not the U.S.""""
Norway's standard of living compared to other countries? Top ten regardless of which source you refer to.
Standard of Living by Country
Sadly, i tend to agree for the most part. They live out the ugliest of human nature behavior. For them, helping a fellow human being = 'Evil Communism.' They're scared, greedy, hateful souls.
Yet most greedy white Republican dudes consider themselves 'Good Christians.' But they rarely live Jesus Christ's teachings. Helping our Mothers and Fathers actually advances humanity as a whole. Our children are our future.
I don't recall Jesus promulgating the idea that employers are obligated to pay people to sit home and raise their children.
You should read up on the old Buddhist saying about teaching people to fish.
I'm guessing you're a guy? The first four months after giving birth were the most exhausted I've ever been in my life. Sleep? Sure, for maybe four hours at a time, if you're lucky. The first month or two I had one hell of a sore ass, a five week long period, serious anemia, and breasts too tender to touch, as well. You have a mewling, puking infant tied to your hip for every quick trip to the store, the laundromat, whatever. So you don't go out much. Being a mom is a very special thing, but I can't imagine trying to drag myself back to work in order to pay the bills during those first few months. Whoever wrote that OP calling for Meternity Time has no idea what she's talking about. Neither do people who think maternity leave is to "sit home" at your leisure, having a 'vacation.' Giving birth and caring for a newborn IS work. A lot of work. We all started out as newborns with someone who took the time to care for us. Perhaps it's time our society placed some sort of value on that. Maybe not as much as Norway--we don't want to pay Norway's taxes. Just value newborns and their caretakers some way.
Pay for your own fucking kidsYes, treating our fellow human beings with respect and compassion is so damn outrageous. We don't need to become an enlightened compassionate species. We just need to continue hating each other and treating each other as badly as possible. So to hell with the babies and their parents. There's bleepin money to be made dammit!!. USA! USA! USA!
You're damned right. She needs to be clocking back in 24 hours after that baby is crowning.
Maybe if there also was a father, she could take time off, without stealing money from others via government...
Ah, but that would require having some respect towards the children. We can't afford that as regressives! That is rather clear as the person thinks that the maternity leave should be expanded to women without children (absolutely ridiculous). I bet she thinks your kids should be on the hook for her retirement too. Classic loser personality.
Let using kids as ATMs continue!
Right On! To hell with parents and their babies. Money's the only thing that matters. They should just STFU and get to work.
I know, right? To hell with those babies and parents. This is America, it's all about the money. There's no room for respect and compassion for our fellow human beings. USA! USA!
If they can't afford to have kids then they shouldn't have themMaternity Leaves are usually unpaid leaves. All the businesses are doing, is promising not to fire the Mother. And it took years of bitter fighting to get them to agree to that. Very few if any businesses pay for Maternity Leaves.
It would be nice if we could evolve as a species and start showing our Mothers & Fathers some respect and compassion. But i know humanity as a whole, isn't ready for that. Hate & greed still rule humanity. Maybe someday we'll change though.
The company I worked for paid for 8 weeks for a c section. 6 for a natural birth.Every employee should get 8 weeks paid time off every year. This would give us time to re-generate. Businesses could get government funding for their employees time off. Also the government should pay employees for their vacations, if the employee decides to stay in the US, for vacation the government would pay two weeks, if the employee wanted to visit another company, only one week.
Exactly.But most greedy white Republican dudes do pretty much feel that way.
Oh, bull fucking shit! Nobody has ever denied the need for parental leave subsequent to having a baby. The problem is that morons like you are demanding that businesses be legally forced to provide unreasonable amounts of leave, and that they pay individuals who are on leave. Which is absolute horse shit!
Hey, if a company chooses to offer 12 months of paid parental leave as a benefit to its employees, then by all means go right ahead. But there's no fucking justification to legislatively mandate it.
You are so busy throwing out the term "hate" it is apparent you have no understanding of the meaning of the wordMaternity Leaves are usually unpaid leaves. All the businesses are doing, is promising not to fire the Mother. And it took years of bitter fighting to get them to agree to that. Very few if any businesses pay for Maternity Leaves.
It would be nice if we could evolve as a species and start showing our Mothers & Fathers some respect and compassion. But i know humanity as a whole, isn't ready for that. Hate & greed still rule humanity. Maybe someday we'll change though.
The company I worked for paid for 8 weeks for a c section. 6 for a natural birth.Every employee should get 8 weeks paid time off every year. This would give us time to re-generate. Businesses could get government funding for their employees time off. Also the government should pay employees for their vacations, if the employee decides to stay in the US, for vacation the government would pay two weeks, if the employee wanted to visit another company, only one week.
Lots of companies have paid leave if you have worked for the company for at least a year prior.
Even Starbucks.
Biology dictates our place in life.Oh stop complaining. My Mom did this three times. She never complained."Sit home and raise your children"Oh, bull fucking shit! Nobody has ever denied the need for parental leave subsequent to having a baby. The problem is that morons like you are demanding that businesses be legally forced to provide unreasonable amounts of leave, and that they pay individuals who are on leave. Which is absolute horse shit!
Hey, if a company chooses to offer 12 months of paid parental leave as a benefit to its employees, then by all means go right ahead. But there's no fucking justification to legislatively mandate it.
Right wingers really are primitive, greedy, miserly and regressive.
The smart economics of Norway’s parental leave, and why the U.S. should consider it
The smart economics of Norway’s parental leave, and why the U.S. should consider it
""""In Norway, parents are entitled to 46 weeks at full salary, or 56 weeks at 80 percent pay. In France, I had four months of paid maternity leave, plus an additional paid month for breastfeeding (not to mention the nice cheese selection in the maternity ward and the fully-covered ‘re-education’ sessions for my nether regions). Both Norway and France also offer highly-subsidized early child care.
Had I stayed at my federal government job in Washington, D.C., I would have had zero paid maternity leave. I would have had to apply for “disability” pay – capped at four weeks, and unpaid. What incentive did this provide for me to start my family in my mother country?
A report on the State of the World’s Mothers notes that the U.S. has the “least generous maternity leave policy of any wealthy nation.” American women are resigning in numbers that far outpace men, in part for reasons of motherhood. Where is the best place to be a mother? Not the U.S.""""
Norway's standard of living compared to other countries? Top ten regardless of which source you refer to.
Standard of Living by Country
Sadly, i tend to agree for the most part. They live out the ugliest of human nature behavior. For them, helping a fellow human being = 'Evil Communism.' They're scared, greedy, hateful souls.
Yet most greedy white Republican dudes consider themselves 'Good Christians.' But they rarely live Jesus Christ's teachings. Helping our Mothers and Fathers actually advances humanity as a whole. Our children are our future.
I don't recall Jesus promulgating the idea that employers are obligated to pay people to sit home and raise their children.
You should read up on the old Buddhist saying about teaching people to fish.
I'm guessing you're a guy? The first four months after giving birth were the most exhausted I've ever been in my life. Sleep? Sure, for maybe four hours at a time, if you're lucky. The first month or two I had one hell of a sore ass, a five week long period, serious anemia, and breasts too tender to touch, as well. You have a mewling, puking infant tied to your hip for every quick trip to the store, the laundromat, whatever. So you don't go out much. Being a mom is a very special thing, but I can't imagine trying to drag myself back to work in order to pay the bills during those first few months. Whoever wrote that OP calling for Meternity Time has no idea what she's talking about. Neither do people who think maternity leave is to "sit home" at your leisure, having a 'vacation.' Giving birth and caring for a newborn IS work. A lot of work. We all started out as newborns with someone who took the time to care for us. Perhaps it's time our society placed some sort of value on that. Maybe not as much as Norway--we don't want to pay Norway's taxes. Just value newborns and their caretakers some way.
Biology dictates our place in life.
For my parent's generation, having children was not only socially acceptable, it was a social expectation. No one complained.
Now having children is a choice many couples make. With that in mind, once that choice is made, most deal with the ups and downs. But there is now a vocal minority who find it necessary to bitch and moan about every aspect of pregnancy and post natal care.
Ya know what? This is part of being an adult.
No one said pregnancy and child bearing/rearing was not work. it is . However, we as adults make a conscious choice to do this. Once that choice is made, there is no room for complaining. No one wants to hear it.
Me-ternity? Please. This is someone trying to stir the pot.
Although. The writer just may be on to something.
The theory I have is this is a tongue in cheek shot at this pervasive notion of equality of outcome. That if a certain interest group wants a certain benefit, yet that benefit is not extended to all, it just isn't fair.
Some may ask why it is the just because a coworker decided to pump out a kid, why they get to have a 12 week period of full pay and not having to come to the job, while others whop make the choice NOT to produce children get to come to work everyday..
He says playing Devil's advocate.
In my mother's era, MOST women did NOT have to work in order for their family's to live a good middle class, comfy life. My mother never worked, she raised my sister and me as her "job" and my father worked outside the home, joined the service at 17, without graduating high school, but then got his GED, then got his college degree paid for by the military...and then went on to work for the FAA after he retired from the air force and now in their old age, live a wealthy comfortable, life.....Oh stop complaining. My Mom did this three times. She never complained."Sit home and raise your children"Oh, bull fucking shit! Nobody has ever denied the need for parental leave subsequent to having a baby. The problem is that morons like you are demanding that businesses be legally forced to provide unreasonable amounts of leave, and that they pay individuals who are on leave. Which is absolute horse shit!
Hey, if a company chooses to offer 12 months of paid parental leave as a benefit to its employees, then by all means go right ahead. But there's no fucking justification to legislatively mandate it.
Right wingers really are primitive, greedy, miserly and regressive.
The smart economics of Norway’s parental leave, and why the U.S. should consider it
The smart economics of Norway’s parental leave, and why the U.S. should consider it
""""In Norway, parents are entitled to 46 weeks at full salary, or 56 weeks at 80 percent pay. In France, I had four months of paid maternity leave, plus an additional paid month for breastfeeding (not to mention the nice cheese selection in the maternity ward and the fully-covered ‘re-education’ sessions for my nether regions). Both Norway and France also offer highly-subsidized early child care.
Had I stayed at my federal government job in Washington, D.C., I would have had zero paid maternity leave. I would have had to apply for “disability” pay – capped at four weeks, and unpaid. What incentive did this provide for me to start my family in my mother country?
A report on the State of the World’s Mothers notes that the U.S. has the “least generous maternity leave policy of any wealthy nation.” American women are resigning in numbers that far outpace men, in part for reasons of motherhood. Where is the best place to be a mother? Not the U.S.""""
Norway's standard of living compared to other countries? Top ten regardless of which source you refer to.
Standard of Living by Country
Sadly, i tend to agree for the most part. They live out the ugliest of human nature behavior. For them, helping a fellow human being = 'Evil Communism.' They're scared, greedy, hateful souls.
Yet most greedy white Republican dudes consider themselves 'Good Christians.' But they rarely live Jesus Christ's teachings. Helping our Mothers and Fathers actually advances humanity as a whole. Our children are our future.
I don't recall Jesus promulgating the idea that employers are obligated to pay people to sit home and raise their children.
You should read up on the old Buddhist saying about teaching people to fish.
I'm guessing you're a guy? The first four months after giving birth were the most exhausted I've ever been in my life. Sleep? Sure, for maybe four hours at a time, if you're lucky. The first month or two I had one hell of a sore ass, a five week long period, serious anemia, and breasts too tender to touch, as well. You have a mewling, puking infant tied to your hip for every quick trip to the store, the laundromat, whatever. So you don't go out much. Being a mom is a very special thing, but I can't imagine trying to drag myself back to work in order to pay the bills during those first few months. Whoever wrote that OP calling for Meternity Time has no idea what she's talking about. Neither do people who think maternity leave is to "sit home" at your leisure, having a 'vacation.' Giving birth and caring for a newborn IS work. A lot of work. We all started out as newborns with someone who took the time to care for us. Perhaps it's time our society placed some sort of value on that. Maybe not as much as Norway--we don't want to pay Norway's taxes. Just value newborns and their caretakers some way.
Biology dictates our place in life.
For my parent's generation, having children was not only socially acceptable, it was a social expectation. No one complained.
Now having children is a choice many couples make. With that in mind, once that choice is made, most deal with the ups and downs. But there is now a vocal minority who find it necessary to bitch and moan about every aspect of pregnancy and post natal care.
Ya know what? This is part of being an adult.
No one said pregnancy and child bearing/rearing was not work. it is . However, we as adults make a conscious choice to do this. Once that choice is made, there is no room for complaining. No one wants to hear it.
Me-ternity? Please. This is someone trying to stir the pot.
Although. The writer just may be on to something.
The theory I have is this is a tongue in cheek shot at this pervasive notion of equality of outcome. That if a certain interest group wants a certain benefit, yet that benefit is not extended to all, it just isn't fair.
Some may ask why it is the just because a coworker decided to pump out a kid, why they get to have a 12 week period of full pay and not having to come to the job, while others whop make the choice NOT to produce children get to come to work everyday..
He says playing Devil's advocate.
Maybe there are some things that could be written in to the tax code, like double the deduction for a pregnant woman's yearly salary for the small businesses which could help in getting us there... "there" as in getting our Nation to the point of all other westernized nations that care about their nation's future, which lies with the children born today? This simply would allow these businesses to "keep their own money" as many on the right aisle claim....No?The four corporations that I have worked for in my lifetime all gave the mother 6 weeks PAID Maternity leave and the last Corp gave the fathers 2 weeks as well...it was no money out of the company's pocket, it was built in to the price of the products we manufactured or acquired, and sold...pennies if even that on the item price when you figure how few women that worked for the company and got pregnant...and how many items we sold a year....
The negatives on a basic maternity benefit comes with tiny/small mom and pop businesses, who are unable to sell a lot of items/merchandise to spread the cost of maternity benefits, and making the price of the mom and pop's goods not competitive enough to sell them at the same turn rate...basically pricing them out of the market, that they were already close to being priced out of due to not being able to buy bulk discounted goods out of China, Viet Man, Indonesia, Mexico, Brazil, Korea, the Philippines, Taiwan etc that the corps I worked for or the Wal-Mart's of the world can do.
Well, so much for the Morality aspect... it's only a good idea if you can afford it? According to some on this board, that shouldn't matter. You know, nutters like Paulie. Everyone is obligated to suffer so someone else is comfy.
In my mother's era, MOST women did NOT have to work in order for their family's to live a good middle class, comfy life. My mother never worked, she raised my sister and me as her "job" and my father worked outside the home, joined the service at 17, without graduating high school, but then got his GED, then got his college degree paid for by the military...and then went on to work for the FAA after he retired from the air force and now in their old age, live a wealthy comfortable, life.....Oh stop complaining. My Mom did this three times. She never complained."Sit home and raise your children"Right wingers really are primitive, greedy, miserly and regressive.
The smart economics of Norway’s parental leave, and why the U.S. should consider it
The smart economics of Norway’s parental leave, and why the U.S. should consider it
""""In Norway, parents are entitled to 46 weeks at full salary, or 56 weeks at 80 percent pay. In France, I had four months of paid maternity leave, plus an additional paid month for breastfeeding (not to mention the nice cheese selection in the maternity ward and the fully-covered ‘re-education’ sessions for my nether regions). Both Norway and France also offer highly-subsidized early child care.
Had I stayed at my federal government job in Washington, D.C., I would have had zero paid maternity leave. I would have had to apply for “disability” pay – capped at four weeks, and unpaid. What incentive did this provide for me to start my family in my mother country?
A report on the State of the World’s Mothers notes that the U.S. has the “least generous maternity leave policy of any wealthy nation.” American women are resigning in numbers that far outpace men, in part for reasons of motherhood. Where is the best place to be a mother? Not the U.S.""""
Norway's standard of living compared to other countries? Top ten regardless of which source you refer to.
Standard of Living by Country
Sadly, i tend to agree for the most part. They live out the ugliest of human nature behavior. For them, helping a fellow human being = 'Evil Communism.' They're scared, greedy, hateful souls.
Yet most greedy white Republican dudes consider themselves 'Good Christians.' But they rarely live Jesus Christ's teachings. Helping our Mothers and Fathers actually advances humanity as a whole. Our children are our future.
I don't recall Jesus promulgating the idea that employers are obligated to pay people to sit home and raise their children.
You should read up on the old Buddhist saying about teaching people to fish.
I'm guessing you're a guy? The first four months after giving birth were the most exhausted I've ever been in my life. Sleep? Sure, for maybe four hours at a time, if you're lucky. The first month or two I had one hell of a sore ass, a five week long period, serious anemia, and breasts too tender to touch, as well. You have a mewling, puking infant tied to your hip for every quick trip to the store, the laundromat, whatever. So you don't go out much. Being a mom is a very special thing, but I can't imagine trying to drag myself back to work in order to pay the bills during those first few months. Whoever wrote that OP calling for Meternity Time has no idea what she's talking about. Neither do people who think maternity leave is to "sit home" at your leisure, having a 'vacation.' Giving birth and caring for a newborn IS work. A lot of work. We all started out as newborns with someone who took the time to care for us. Perhaps it's time our society placed some sort of value on that. Maybe not as much as Norway--we don't want to pay Norway's taxes. Just value newborns and their caretakers some way.
Biology dictates our place in life.
For my parent's generation, having children was not only socially acceptable, it was a social expectation. No one complained.
Now having children is a choice many couples make. With that in mind, once that choice is made, most deal with the ups and downs. But there is now a vocal minority who find it necessary to bitch and moan about every aspect of pregnancy and post natal care.
Ya know what? This is part of being an adult.
No one said pregnancy and child bearing/rearing was not work. it is . However, we as adults make a conscious choice to do this. Once that choice is made, there is no room for complaining. No one wants to hear it.
Me-ternity? Please. This is someone trying to stir the pot.
Although. The writer just may be on to something.
The theory I have is this is a tongue in cheek shot at this pervasive notion of equality of outcome. That if a certain interest group wants a certain benefit, yet that benefit is not extended to all, it just isn't fair.
Some may ask why it is the just because a coworker decided to pump out a kid, why they get to have a 12 week period of full pay and not having to come to the job, while others whop make the choice NOT to produce children get to come to work everyday..
He says playing Devil's advocate.
It was not a rarity in my parent's era to have the comfy middle class life on simply the husband's salary, like it is today....
So yes, women like your mom and my mom had a choice to not work and didn't work for the most part, until their kids hit kindergarten at earliest....
This is simply NOT the case today.... today and yesteryear are whole different ball games in my opinion and can not be compared... as you have compared in your devil's advocate scenario....
The four corporations that I have worked for in my lifetime all gave the mother 6 weeks PAID Maternity leave and the last Corp gave the fathers 2 weeks as well...it was no money out of the company's pocket, it was built in to the price of the products we manufactured or acquired, and sold...pennies if even that on the item price when you figure how few women that worked for the company and got pregnant...and how many items we sold a year....
Most corporations offer paid leave.The company I worked for paid for 8 weeks for a c section. 6 for a natural birth.Every employee should get 8 weeks paid time off every year. This would give us time to re-generate. Businesses could get government funding for their employees time off. Also the government should pay employees for their vacations, if the employee decides to stay in the US, for vacation the government would pay two weeks, if the employee wanted to visit another company, only one week.
Lots of companies have paid leave if you have worked for the company for at least a year prior.
Even Starbucks.
Thanks for the info. I was always under the impression most businesses didn't offer paid Maternity Leaves. I know many do offer Maternity Leaves, but they're usually unpaid leaves. So good on Starbucks.
This fails as a straw man fallacy, something advocated by an individual only, representative of no one and of no group of individuals.Because there's no end in sight to entitlement mentalities.
'Me-Ternity' Leave?! Author Says Non-Mothers Deserve Extended Time Off
This is an attempt to contrive a ‘controversy’ where none exists.
Jesus fucking Christ, you really are a fucking idiot! Where the fuck do you get the idea that it's now a straw man to object to what ONE person has said? What's the new fucking threshold now? Do 5 people have to say something before you can disagree? Maybe 20 people? 
I go even a step further and believe the Father should also receive a leave when his child is born. I know that makes me an "Evil Communist', but so be it i guess. Human beings should start treating each other with more respect and compassion. It shouldn't always be only about the money.
Pressured?But most greedy white Republican dudes do pretty much feel that way.
Oh, bull fucking shit! Nobody has ever denied the need for parental leave subsequent to having a baby. The problem is that morons like you are demanding that businesses be legally forced to provide unreasonable amounts of leave, and that they pay individuals who are on leave. Which is absolute horse shit!
Hey, if a company chooses to offer 12 months of paid parental leave as a benefit to its employees, then by all means go right ahead. But there's no fucking justification to legislatively mandate it.
'Nobody?' You really should rethink that reply. Do some research. Until they were pressured into doing the right thing, most businesses refused to help struggling Mothers. And even at this point, Maternity Leaves only assure the Mother that she won't be fired. Very few if any businesses pay for Maternity Leaves.
Most corporations offer paid leave.The company I worked for paid for 8 weeks for a c section. 6 for a natural birth.Every employee should get 8 weeks paid time off every year. This would give us time to re-generate. Businesses could get government funding for their employees time off. Also the government should pay employees for their vacations, if the employee decides to stay in the US, for vacation the government would pay two weeks, if the employee wanted to visit another company, only one week.
Lots of companies have paid leave if you have worked for the company for at least a year prior.
Even Starbucks.
Thanks for the info. I was always under the impression most businesses didn't offer paid Maternity Leaves. I know many do offer Maternity Leaves, but they're usually unpaid leaves. So good on Starbucks.
You can also take FMLA if you have Heath issues related to pregancy.
Make the arrangement with the employer. Not the taxpayer.You are so busy throwing out the term "hate" it is apparent you have no understanding of the meaning of the wordMaternity Leaves are usually unpaid leaves. All the businesses are doing, is promising not to fire the Mother. And it took years of bitter fighting to get them to agree to that. Very few if any businesses pay for Maternity Leaves.
It would be nice if we could evolve as a species and start showing our Mothers & Fathers some respect and compassion. But i know humanity as a whole, isn't ready for that. Hate & greed still rule humanity. Maybe someday we'll change though.
Many Businesses still don't even offer Maternity Leaves. And Maternity Leaves that are offered, are unpaid leaves. The best an American Mother can hope for now, is receiving a promise from her Employer that she won't be fired. I think it's time to extend leaves to Fathers as well. And some limited paid leave would be nice too.
