Six months paid maternity leave for everyone! Then, maternity leave for non-parents too!

[BluesLegend]

The company I worked for paid for 8 weeks for a c section. 6 for a natural birth.

Lots of companies have paid leave if you have worked for the company for at least a year prior.

Even Starbucks.

Thanks for the info. I was always under the impression most businesses didn't offer paid Maternity Leaves. I know many do offer Maternity Leaves, but they're usually unpaid leaves. So good on Starbucks.

Most corporations offer paid leave.

You can also take FMLA if you have Heath issues related to pregancy.

How dare you defend those evil corporations. My evil corporation already offers maternity leave for both the mother and father, short and long term paid disability leave, 4 weeks of vacation plus 12 paid holidays plus flex time schedules to work as little as 4 hours a day which some mothers use during the first year after birth plus full medical, eye, dental, mental health benefits, plus unpaid leave some new mothers opt for after the maternity leave, plus work at home, plus...well look our benefits document is over 30 pages long. That's those evil corporations for you and they didn't need a union or the government to force them into it. Corporations, what evil bastards they are.

Yep. I get 6 weeks paid vacation. Paid maternity leave, paid holidays, flex schedule, help paying for college,Health, vision , dental, 401k, life insurance, stock options and a shit load of employee discounts for local businesses including 5k from the dealership I purchased my new car from.

Evil corporations.

That's great, and i really do mean it. But that's not the case for millions & millions of other Americans.

That's a broad statement now lets see your data, which industries, which companies, how many exactly?

 

[BlueGin]

It is money out of the company's pocket. The company takes a tax deduction on the loss of wages. It is a cost of business that is factored in to the cost of the product. If no one took maternity time off, the company would not lower the cost of the product or service.

The company raised the price of their products when they decided to add benefits for their employees Papa, NOT the other way around...

Same when they decide they need a 100 million a year CEO, Vs a 2 million dollar a year CEO.

I disagree with the building it into the price, it is an unknown and they add it into the cost of business. The idea of paying maternity time is okay by me, however if you offer the female worker, you need to offer the male the same, otherwise to me it is sexism. IMHO

how do you see it as sexism? Did the father have to be admitted in to the Hospital and go through Labor and Delivery or a C-Section? Did the father get all of his nutrients sucked out of him for 9 months giving it to the child to be? Does the father have titties that feed the child for the first few months?

Adding the ''father'' should get the time off too'', JUST KILLS the time off for the mother proposals, it's a poison pill!!!!

If you offer one, you offer all. Everything should be equal. Women, men, black, white, gay, straight.

it is equal....when you can carry a child for 9 months, go through labor and delivery and have your child feed off your titties, YOU can have the time off for it.

And what if the mother dies in child birth and the father has to raise the baby?

 

[Care4all]

The company raised the price of their products when they decided to add benefits for their employees Papa, NOT the other way around...

Same when they decide they need a 100 million a year CEO, Vs a 2 million dollar a year CEO.

I disagree with the building it into the price, it is an unknown and they add it into the cost of business. The idea of paying maternity time is okay by me, however if you offer the female worker, you need to offer the male the same, otherwise to me it is sexism. IMHO

how do you see it as sexism? Did the father have to be admitted in to the Hospital and go through Labor and Delivery or a C-Section? Did the father get all of his nutrients sucked out of him for 9 months giving it to the child to be? Does the father have titties that feed the child for the first few months?

Adding the ''father'' should get the time off too'', JUST KILLS the time off for the mother proposals, it's a poison pill!!!!

If you offer one, you offer all. Everything should be equal. Women, men, black, white, gay, straight.

it is equal....when you can carry a child for 9 months, go through labor and delivery and have your child feed off your titties, YOU can have the time off for it.

And what if the mother dies in child birth and the father has to raise the baby?

Then of course....

and I am not against the father given time off by companies...they can offer it and it would be nice if they can afford to do such with pay....

but that is losing sight of the issue at hand which is mother's going through a pregnancy and labor and delivery and then breast feeding should if at all possible, be given this benefit.... already many small businesses can not afford to pay the woman employee when they get maternity leave...

And wanting to add the husbands of these women as well is ALREADY too much to ask and is a poison pill to killing any effort for the mother to get the benefit....

 

[Care4all]

The company raised the price of their products when they decided to add benefits for their employees Papa, NOT the other way around...

Same when they decide they need a 100 million a year CEO, Vs a 2 million dollar a year CEO.

I disagree with the building it into the price, it is an unknown and they add it into the cost of business. The idea of paying maternity time is okay by me, however if you offer the female worker, you need to offer the male the same, otherwise to me it is sexism. IMHO

how do you see it as sexism? Did the father have to be admitted in to the Hospital and go through Labor and Delivery or a C-Section? Did the father get all of his nutrients sucked out of him for 9 months giving it to the child to be? Does the father have titties that feed the child for the first few months?

Adding the ''father'' should get the time off too'', JUST KILLS the time off for the mother proposals, it's a poison pill!!!!

If you offer one, you offer all. Everything should be equal. Women, men, black, white, gay, straight.

it is equal....when you can carry a child for 9 months, go through labor and delivery and have your child feed off your titties, YOU can have the time off for it.

So women aren't equal? Interesting. Liberals all my life said women were equal to men and now you say it is not true?

i'm sorry, I have no idea what you are rambling about....you are trying to compare apple and oranges in this situation....
period.

YOU know it, I know it, anyone with brains knows it...

 

[Papageorgio]

I disagree with the building it into the price, it is an unknown and they add it into the cost of business. The idea of paying maternity time is okay by me, however if you offer the female worker, you need to offer the male the same, otherwise to me it is sexism. IMHO

how do you see it as sexism? Did the father have to be admitted in to the Hospital and go through Labor and Delivery or a C-Section? Did the father get all of his nutrients sucked out of him for 9 months giving it to the child to be? Does the father have titties that feed the child for the first few months?

Adding the ''father'' should get the time off too'', JUST KILLS the time off for the mother proposals, it's a poison pill!!!!

If you offer one, you offer all. Everything should be equal. Women, men, black, white, gay, straight.

it is equal....when you can carry a child for 9 months, go through labor and delivery and have your child feed off your titties, YOU can have the time off for it.

So women aren't equal? Interesting. Liberals all my life said women were equal to men and now you say it is not true?

i'm sorry, I have no idea what you are rambling about....you are trying to compare apple and oranges in this situation....
period.

YOU know it, I know it, anyone with brains knows it...

No, it's is all equal, that is the way it is, no one gets special treatment.

 

[Care4all]

Do women get to claim a disability paycheck when their husbands are getting paid disability for the time off he needed for prostate cancer and rehab time?

IT'S LUNACY to expect employers to pay disability payments to the father when the father never was in the O/R going through labor and delivery or c-section and never needed to breastfeed his child at minimum, the first few months for the health of the baby...

 

[Care4all]

how do you see it as sexism? Did the father have to be admitted in to the Hospital and go through Labor and Delivery or a C-Section? Did the father get all of his nutrients sucked out of him for 9 months giving it to the child to be? Does the father have titties that feed the child for the first few months?

Adding the ''father'' should get the time off too'', JUST KILLS the time off for the mother proposals, it's a poison pill!!!!

If you offer one, you offer all. Everything should be equal. Women, men, black, white, gay, straight.

it is equal....when you can carry a child for 9 months, go through labor and delivery and have your child feed off your titties, YOU can have the time off for it.

So women aren't equal? Interesting. Liberals all my life said women were equal to men and now you say it is not true?

i'm sorry, I have no idea what you are rambling about....you are trying to compare apple and oranges in this situation....
period.

YOU know it, I know it, anyone with brains knows it...

No, it's is all equal, that is the way it is, no one gets special treatment.

NO, it's NOT the same.

What you are saying is it is okay for any female to request to be paid what the male CEO makes, just because it should be "equal"....

when the request is equal pay for EQUAL WORK.

You are throwing a wrench in, where the wrench never belonged.

 

[OldLady]

how do you see it as sexism? Did the father have to be admitted in to the Hospital and go through Labor and Delivery or a C-Section? Did the father get all of his nutrients sucked out of him for 9 months giving it to the child to be? Does the father have titties that feed the child for the first few months?

Adding the ''father'' should get the time off too'', JUST KILLS the time off for the mother proposals, it's a poison pill!!!!

If you offer one, you offer all. Everything should be equal. Women, men, black, white, gay, straight.

it is equal....when you can carry a child for 9 months, go through labor and delivery and have your child feed off your titties, YOU can have the time off for it.

So women aren't equal? Interesting. Liberals all my life said women were equal to men and now you say it is not true?

i'm sorry, I have no idea what you are rambling about....you are trying to compare apple and oranges in this situation....
period.

YOU know it, I know it, anyone with brains knows it...

No, it's is all equal, that is the way it is, no one gets special treatment.

What you are arguing is that if your coworker goes out for six weeks for an appendectomy, everyone should get six weeks off. That's just silliness in an effort to refute the Maternity Leave issue.

 

[Papageorgio]

Do women get to claim a disability paycheck when their husbands are getting paid disability for the time off he needed for prostate cancer and rehab time?

IT'S LUNACY to expect employers to pay disability payments to the father when the father never was in the O/R going through labor and delivery or c-section and never needed to breastfeed his child at minimum, the first few months for the health of the baby...

Disability check for prostrate? Unless you purchase disability insurance. I pay for pregnancy and birth control on my insurance, I'll never use it but I'm charged for that.

 

[Papageorgio]

If you offer one, you offer all. Everything should be equal. Women, men, black, white, gay, straight.

it is equal....when you can carry a child for 9 months, go through labor and delivery and have your child feed off your titties, YOU can have the time off for it.

So women aren't equal? Interesting. Liberals all my life said women were equal to men and now you say it is not true?

i'm sorry, I have no idea what you are rambling about....you are trying to compare apple and oranges in this situation....
period.

YOU know it, I know it, anyone with brains knows it...

No, it's is all equal, that is the way it is, no one gets special treatment.

What you are arguing is that if your coworker goes out for six weeks for an appendectomy, everyone should get six weeks off. That's just silliness in an effort to refute the Maternity Leave issue.

That is not what I'm arguing at all. I'm saying if you get 6 weeks, paid for maternity leave the man should have the same. He is a new father. She is a new mother. Are you saying the father serves no purpose other than sperm donor?

 

[Care4all]

Do women get to claim a disability paycheck when their husbands are getting paid disability for the time off he needed for prostate cancer and rehab time?

IT'S LUNACY to expect employers to pay disability payments to the father when the father never was in the O/R going through labor and delivery or c-section and never needed to breastfeed his child at minimum, the first few months for the health of the baby...

Disability check for prostrate? Unless you purchase disability insurance. I pay for pregnancy and birth control on my insurance, I'll never use it but I'm charged for that.

the corporations I worked for paid you, if you were out of work long term due to surgery, (each surgery had a protocol/ number of weeks you could be off and get paid) it was disability as a benefit, that my employers gave as a benefit...at least I believe it was....

 

[SuperDemocrat]

Why not one year of paid maternity leave?

 

[Papageorgio]

Do women get to claim a disability paycheck when their husbands are getting paid disability for the time off he needed for prostate cancer and rehab time?

IT'S LUNACY to expect employers to pay disability payments to the father when the father never was in the O/R going through labor and delivery or c-section and never needed to breastfeed his child at minimum, the first few months for the health of the baby...

Disability check for prostrate? Unless you purchase disability insurance. I pay for pregnancy and birth control on my insurance, I'll never use it but I'm charged for that.

the corporations I worked for paid you, if you were out of work long term due to surgery, (each surgery had a protocol/ number of weeks you could be off and get paid) it was disability as a benefit, that my employers gave as a benefit...at least I believe it was....

Big evil corps can afford to do that. The sex of the person didn't dictate how long they got off.

 

[Care4all]

Do women get to claim a disability paycheck when their husbands are getting paid disability for the time off he needed for prostate cancer and rehab time?

IT'S LUNACY to expect employers to pay disability payments to the father when the father never was in the O/R going through labor and delivery or c-section and never needed to breastfeed his child at minimum, the first few months for the health of the baby...

Disability check for prostrate? Unless you purchase disability insurance. I pay for pregnancy and birth control on my insurance, I'll never use it but I'm charged for that.

the corporations I worked for paid you, if you were out of work long term due to surgery, (each surgery had a protocol/ number of weeks you could be off and get paid) it was disability as a benefit, that my employers gave as a benefit...at least I believe it was....

Big evil corps can afford to do that. The sex of the person didn't dictate how long they got off.

The procedure/the operation did... and I'm sorry, guys aren't hospitalized for labor and delivery, or c-section.

just like i would never be hospitalized for prostate cancer surgery

 

[Skull Pilot]

"Sit home and raise your children"
I'm guessing you're a guy? The first four months after giving birth were the most exhausted I've ever been in my life. Sleep? Sure, for maybe four hours at a time, if you're lucky. The first month or two I had one hell of a sore ass, a five week long period, serious anemia, and breasts too tender to touch, as well. You have a mewling, puking infant tied to your hip for every quick trip to the store, the laundromat, whatever. So you don't go out much. Being a mom is a very special thing, but I can't imagine trying to drag myself back to work in order to pay the bills during those first few months. Whoever wrote that OP calling for Meternity Time has no idea what she's talking about. Neither do people who think maternity leave is to "sit home" at your leisure, having a 'vacation.' Giving birth and caring for a newborn IS work. A lot of work. We all started out as newborns with someone who took the time to care for us. Perhaps it's time our society placed some sort of value on that. Maybe not as much as Norway--we don't want to pay Norway's taxes. Just value newborns and their caretakers some way.

Oh stop complaining. My Mom did this three times. She never complained.
Biology dictates our place in life.
For my parent's generation, having children was not only socially acceptable, it was a social expectation. No one complained.
Now having children is a choice many couples make. With that in mind, once that choice is made, most deal with the ups and downs. But there is now a vocal minority who find it necessary to bitch and moan about every aspect of pregnancy and post natal care.
Ya know what? This is part of being an adult.
No one said pregnancy and child bearing/rearing was not work. it is . However, we as adults make a conscious choice to do this. Once that choice is made, there is no room for complaining. No one wants to hear it.
Me-ternity? Please. This is someone trying to stir the pot.
Although. The writer just may be on to something.
The theory I have is this is a tongue in cheek shot at this pervasive notion of equality of outcome. That if a certain interest group wants a certain benefit, yet that benefit is not extended to all, it just isn't fair.
Some may ask why it is the just because a coworker decided to pump out a kid, why they get to have a 12 week period of full pay and not having to come to the job, while others whop make the choice NOT to produce children get to come to work everyday..
He says playing Devil's advocate.

In my mother's era, MOST women did NOT have to work in order for their family's to live a good middle class, comfy life. My mother never worked, she raised my sister and me as her "job" and my father worked outside the home, joined the service at 17, without graduating high school, but then got his GED, then got his college degree paid for by the military...and then went on to work for the FAA after he retired from the air force and now in their old age, live a wealthy comfortable, life.....

It was not a rarity in my parent's era to have the comfy middle class life on simply the husband's salary, like it is today....

So yes, women like your mom and my mom had a choice to not work and didn't work for the most part, until their kids hit kindergarten at earliest....

This is simply NOT the case today.... today and yesteryear are whole different ball games in my opinion and can not be compared... as you have compared in your devil's advocate scenario....

Oh it surely can be done. One parent at home with the kids.
The problem started in the 80's when keeping up appearances became more important than family. Also the new hard line feminist movement declared that women could "have it all"...Career, family, kids......The two income family manifested itself because people felt compelled to pursue material things. Bigger house, third vehicle. high cost activities for their kids( sports, etc) two vacations instead of one. More expensive convenience foods. pay tv of the highest tier instead of what they could afford on one income. Smart phones instead of basic. And lastly two income families are a result of poor money management. People with zero spending discipline. Buying on credit instead of paying cash. Spending more than they earn.

Fact is, two parents need to work in today's America. And they're now working harder & harder for less & less. It's just the way the Slave Master wants it. Give em just a taste. Give em just enough to barely survive. Keep tossin em scraps.

^^ this I agree with. Sad when a two income household can net 30k a year and still be considered poverty level.

How a Family of Four Manages to Live Well on Just $14,000 Per Year

 

[Papageorgio]

Do women get to claim a disability paycheck when their husbands are getting paid disability for the time off he needed for prostate cancer and rehab time?

IT'S LUNACY to expect employers to pay disability payments to the father when the father never was in the O/R going through labor and delivery or c-section and never needed to breastfeed his child at minimum, the first few months for the health of the baby...

Disability check for prostrate? Unless you purchase disability insurance. I pay for pregnancy and birth control on my insurance, I'll never use it but I'm charged for that.

the corporations I worked for paid you, if you were out of work long term due to surgery, (each surgery had a protocol/ number of weeks you could be off and get paid) it was disability as a benefit, that my employers gave as a benefit...at least I believe it was....

Big evil corps can afford to do that. The sex of the person didn't dictate how long they got off.

The procedure/the operation did... and I'm sorry, guys aren't hospitalized for labor and delivery, or c-section.

just like i would never be hospitalized for prostate cancer surgery

So women are different from men? Glad to hear that because that is what I have maintained for decades. That is the way I have looked at it but the women lubbers told me different.

 

[Care4all]

Do women get to claim a disability paycheck when their husbands are getting paid disability for the time off he needed for prostate cancer and rehab time?

IT'S LUNACY to expect employers to pay disability payments to the father when the father never was in the O/R going through labor and delivery or c-section and never needed to breastfeed his child at minimum, the first few months for the health of the baby...

Disability check for prostrate? Unless you purchase disability insurance. I pay for pregnancy and birth control on my insurance, I'll never use it but I'm charged for that.

the corporations I worked for paid you, if you were out of work long term due to surgery, (each surgery had a protocol/ number of weeks you could be off and get paid) it was disability as a benefit, that my employers gave as a benefit...at least I believe it was....

Big evil corps can afford to do that. The sex of the person didn't dictate how long they got off.

The procedure/the operation did... and I'm sorry, guys aren't hospitalized for labor and delivery, or c-section.

just like i would never be hospitalized for prostate cancer surgery

So women are different from men? Glad to hear that because that is what I have maintained for decades. That is the way I have looked at it but the women lubbers told me different.

remind me to slap you upside of the head, if we were ever to meet!

 

[initforme]

I love the 14,000 per year family. What the story doesn't cover is how enjoyable it is to live off that slave salary. The vacations they take, the weekend getaways. There are none. Now if one of them gets sick......its all a changed story. Is this a proponent of low wages?

 

[Papageorgio]

Disability check for prostrate? Unless you purchase disability insurance. I pay for pregnancy and birth control on my insurance, I'll never use it but I'm charged for that.

the corporations I worked for paid you, if you were out of work long term due to surgery, (each surgery had a protocol/ number of weeks you could be off and get paid) it was disability as a benefit, that my employers gave as a benefit...at least I believe it was....

Big evil corps can afford to do that. The sex of the person didn't dictate how long they got off.

The procedure/the operation did... and I'm sorry, guys aren't hospitalized for labor and delivery, or c-section.

just like i would never be hospitalized for prostate cancer surgery

So women are different from men? Glad to hear that because that is what I have maintained for decades. That is the way I have looked at it but the women lubbers told me different.

remind me to slap you upside of the head, if we were ever to meet!

We will likely never meet.

 

[Care4all]

I love the 14,000 per year family. What the story doesn't cover is how enjoyable it is to live off that slave salary. The vacations they take, the weekend getaways. There are none. Now if one of them gets sick......its all a changed story. Is this a proponent of low wages?

it also didn't emphasize how they owned their cars outright, one they paid 10k for... cash and the other they borrowed 12k and paid it off in one year, and saved 30k from husband's salary the year he was in combat in Afghanistan, that they used for a $30k down payment for a home they bought in a 'depressed real estate market....having ALL of THAT BEFORE they decided to live off of the government benefit of $14k a year while her husband collected on the paid college benefit.