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So, lets review what 2 weeks of Trump have done for us....
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That would be a rational argument if the number of accidental shootings in schools were just lower. Since there are few if any accidental shootings, it's not rational
THERE ARE HARDLY NO "accidental shootings" in schools because of them being gun free zones. Derp derp derp... Now look up the chance of getting accidentally shot at a school... is it higher than getting struck by lightening? Eaten by a shark?
Then where were there barely any accidental shootings before they were gun free zones? In your fairy world, schools were always gun free zones, huh?
Again... How many times do I have to explain this to you? Take out a piece of paper. Now draw a circle and write gun free zone in it. Now draw a circle on the other side of the paper and write "Guns" in it. Now let's assume "Guns" has an accident. What are the chances that the circle with gun free zone in it will have an accidental gun shooting in it?
Now take the pen you drew the circles with and jam it in your eye inflicting a self-imposed lobotomy.
Hey...asswipe.......gun free zones are targeted by mass shooters, they happen and no one can stop the killer till the police.......who guess what...bring guns into the gun free zone.....parent's have a right to own and carry guns to defend themselves and their families......asswipes like you no longer have the right to make that decision for them.....
They are targeted by mass shooters? Really? That's why it is 300 times safer to go to school than fly an airplane?... despite the fact that all these mass shooters are targeting them?
You are an idiot
How many elementary schools, middle schools, junior high schools, high schools, private schools, community colleges, colleges, and universities are there in the United States? How many citizens? What are the chances right now that a student gets shot by a gun in school?
Naming a few shootings over the course of several years isn't going to change anything... the numbers are not on your side.
"A few shootings"? And ah, so it's acceptable looses to douse your hysterical fear of guns, gotcha
No one, anywhere, is absolutely safe. Please tell me you aren't that dumb. Not a single person with an ounce of intelligence would ever argue that there is going to be a policy put in place that will make anyone absolutely safe.
allowing law abiding people to carry guns makes people safer. as the actual mass shootings in gun free school zones show.
When they do happen....a gun in the hands of an armed citizen can save lives.......but they are just sacrifices to your stupid ideas...
Do you go to the firing range and practice fire while kids are playing down range?
You are disgusting.
Then where were there barely any accidental shootings before they were gun free zones? In your fairy world, schools were always gun free zones, huh?
Again... How many times do I have to explain this to you? Take out a piece of paper. Now draw a circle and write gun free zone in it. Now draw a circle on the other side of the paper and write "Guns" in it. Now let's assume "Guns" has an accident. What are the chances that the circle with gun free zone in it will have an accidental gun shooting in it?
Now take the pen you drew the circles with and jam it in your eye inflicting a self-imposed lobotomy.
Hey...asswipe.......gun free zones are targeted by mass shooters, they happen and no one can stop the killer till the police.......who guess what...bring guns into the gun free zone.....parent's have a right to own and carry guns to defend themselves and their families......asswipes like you no longer have the right to make that decision for them.....
They are targeted by mass shooters? Really? That's why it is 300 times safer to go to school than fly an airplane?... despite the fact that all these mass shooters are targeting them?
We have actual mass shooters who state this moron. They go places where they can kill without being stopped......they don't want a gun fight they want to murder......
This is so fun! Watching people with absolutely no reasoning skills whatsoever and use nothing but hysteria to make decisions... while at the same time say that the left use hysteria to make stupid decisions.... this thread is knee deep in hypocrisy.
You're talking about reasoning skills and you can't repeat back to me my two line argument accurately?
2aguy
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"A few shootings"? And ah, so it's acceptable looses to douse your hysterical fear of guns, gotcha
No one, anywhere, is absolutely safe. Please tell me you aren't that dumb. Not a single person with an ounce of intelligence would ever argue that there is going to be a policy put in place that will make anyone absolutely safe.
allowing law abiding people to carry guns makes people safer. as the actual mass shootings in gun free school zones show.
When they do happen....a gun in the hands of an armed citizen can save lives.......but they are just sacrifices to your stupid ideas...
Do you go to the firing range and practice fire while kids are playing down range?
Yes...confronted with the stupitidy of your argument....you follow the path of anti gunner left wingers and act like a child....
A gun fight at a school. That's a great idea! Why didn't I think of that! That's perfect sense now... let's have all kinds of people walking around schools packing heat... and just maybe a gun fight will kick off, that should be fun and extremely safe for the kids.
Again....answer the question.....why should a person who can legally carry a gun, who will not use that gun to commit a crime or to harm anyone be banned from carrying a gun when they drop their kids off at school or pick them up?
Why should that legally armed person become a felon for simply crossing a property line, without having drawn the weapon, fired the weapon and not having injured anyone?
Can you answer those questions numb nuts?
You are an idiot
How many elementary schools, middle schools, junior high schools, high schools, private schools, community colleges, colleges, and universities are there in the United States? How many citizens? What are the chances right now that a student gets shot by a gun in school?
Naming a few shootings over the course of several years isn't going to change anything... the numbers are not on your side.
"A few shootings"? And ah, so it's acceptable looses to douse your hysterical fear of guns, gotcha
No one, anywhere, is absolutely safe. Please tell me you aren't that dumb. Not a single person with an ounce of intelligence would ever argue that there is going to be a policy put in place that will make anyone absolutely safe.
allowing law abiding people to carry guns makes people safer. as the actual mass shootings in gun free school zones show.
When they do happen....a gun in the hands of an armed citizen can save lives.......but they are just sacrifices to your stupid ideas...
Do you go to the firing range and practice fire while kids are playing down range?
So you're afraid people are going into schools and practice shooting? Wow, you're hysterically insane
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Vastator
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I wonder if anyone at Sandy Hook pondered that very question...?Why should normal, law abiding people who will not use their guns to murder anyone be prohibited from carrying their guns on school grounds?
That is the central question.
No, the central question is, WHY DO YOU NEED TO TAKE YOUR GUN TO A SCHOOL? ARE YOU GOING TO NEED TO PISTOL WHIP a 12 YEAR OLD BULLY?
CrusaderFrank
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Trump proved that Dems = Party > Country
"A few shootings"? And ah, so it's acceptable looses to douse your hysterical fear of guns, gotcha
No one, anywhere, is absolutely safe. Please tell me you aren't that dumb. Not a single person with an ounce of intelligence would ever argue that there is going to be a policy put in place that will make anyone absolutely safe.
allowing law abiding people to carry guns makes people safer. as the actual mass shootings in gun free school zones show.
When they do happen....a gun in the hands of an armed citizen can save lives.......but they are just sacrifices to your stupid ideas...
Do you go to the firing range and practice fire while kids are playing down range?
Yes...confronted with the stupitidy of your argument....you follow the path of anti gunner left wingers and act like a child....
A gun fight at a school. That's a great idea! Why didn't I think of that! That's perfect sense now... let's have all kinds of people walking around schools packing heat... and just maybe a gun fight will kick off, that should be fun and extremely safe for the kids.
You're getting even more insane. Gotcha honey, teachers, administrators and parents are going to get into gun fights. Yeah, that'll happen. But it doesn't now because of gun free zones. You're a moonbat
2aguy
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No need. The parents are comforted by the fact that their children were murdered in a gun free zone. God can only imagine the sense of loss they'd be suffering otherwise...There is no need for anyone to bring a gun to a school... what part of that do you not understand?
Tell that to all the dead people on the Virginia Tech campus
How about I tell it to all the alive children at the school in my town that are inside the gun free zone?
How about you tell the parent's of children murdered by the actual mass shooters that their kid could have been saved by ending gun free zones....since the shooters all ignored the gun free zones.....
Do you understand how dumb of an argument that is? How about you comfort the number of families of the people who committed suicide with guns? That's an argument that people that want to hinder gun control use... your argument puts you on the same level as them.
How about the families where a gun was not used to commit suicide...moron?
Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC
2015
Gun suicide...
22,018
Non Gun suicide...
22,078
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2014....
Gun suicide....21,334
non gun....21,439
Then where were there barely any accidental shootings before they were gun free zones? In your fairy world, schools were always gun free zones, huh?
Again... How many times do I have to explain this to you? Take out a piece of paper. Now draw a circle and write gun free zone in it. Now draw a circle on the other side of the paper and write "Guns" in it. Now let's assume "Guns" has an accident. What are the chances that the circle with gun free zone in it will have an accidental gun shooting in it?
Now take the pen you drew the circles with and jam it in your eye inflicting a self-imposed lobotomy.
Hey...asswipe.......gun free zones are targeted by mass shooters, they happen and no one can stop the killer till the police.......who guess what...bring guns into the gun free zone.....parent's have a right to own and carry guns to defend themselves and their families......asswipes like you no longer have the right to make that decision for them.....
They are targeted by mass shooters? Really? That's why it is 300 times safer to go to school than fly an airplane?... despite the fact that all these mass shooters are targeting them?
No, that is why such a disproportionate number of shootings are in gun free zones. You really suck at logic. No wonder you're a Democrat
I'm as much as Democrat as you are a dolphin.
Really? I argue dolphin positions on political message boards all day?
2aguy
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No one, anywhere, is absolutely safe. Please tell me you aren't that dumb. Not a single person with an ounce of intelligence would ever argue that there is going to be a policy put in place that will make anyone absolutely safe.
allowing law abiding people to carry guns makes people safer. as the actual mass shootings in gun free school zones show.
When they do happen....a gun in the hands of an armed citizen can save lives.......but they are just sacrifices to your stupid ideas...
Do you go to the firing range and practice fire while kids are playing down range?
Yes...confronted with the stupitidy of your argument....you follow the path of anti gunner left wingers and act like a child....
A gun fight at a school. That's a great idea! Why didn't I think of that! That's perfect sense now... let's have all kinds of people walking around schools packing heat... and just maybe a gun fight will kick off, that should be fun and extremely safe for the kids.
You're getting even more insane. Gotcha honey, teachers, administrators and parents are going to get into gun fights. Yeah, that'll happen. But it doesn't now because of gun free zones. You're a moonbat
Because we won't simply submit to his points....that we actually refuse to accept his dictate on gun ownership....he becomes less and less rational...if we were in a public place he would be trying to mace us and hit us with metal poles...that is how these left wingers progress.....
No one, anywhere, is absolutely safe. Please tell me you aren't that dumb. Not a single person with an ounce of intelligence would ever argue that there is going to be a policy put in place that will make anyone absolutely safe.
allowing law abiding people to carry guns makes people safer. as the actual mass shootings in gun free school zones show.
When they do happen....a gun in the hands of an armed citizen can save lives.......but they are just sacrifices to your stupid ideas...
Do you go to the firing range and practice fire while kids are playing down range?
Yes...confronted with the stupitidy of your argument....you follow the path of anti gunner left wingers and act like a child....
A gun fight at a school. That's a great idea! Why didn't I think of that! That's perfect sense now... let's have all kinds of people walking around schools packing heat... and just maybe a gun fight will kick off, that should be fun and extremely safe for the kids.
Again....answer the question.....why should a person who can legally carry a gun, who will not use that gun to commit a crime or to harm anyone be banned from carrying a gun when they drop their kids off at school or pick them up?
Why should that legally armed person become a felon for simply crossing a property line, without having drawn the weapon, fired the weapon and not having injured anyone?
Can you answer those questions numb nuts?
No, but he can fail to grasp the question
2aguy
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Here you go lewdog......answer these simple questions....
Why should a person who can legally carry a gun, who will not use that gun to commit a crime or to harm anyone be banned from carrying a gun when they drop their kids off at school or pick them up?
Why should that legally armed person become a felon for simply crossing a property line, without having drawn the weapon, fired the weapon and not having injured anyone?
Why should a person who can legally carry a gun, who will not use that gun to commit a crime or to harm anyone be banned from carrying a gun when they drop their kids off at school or pick them up?
Why should that legally armed person become a felon for simply crossing a property line, without having drawn the weapon, fired the weapon and not having injured anyone?
allowing law abiding people to carry guns makes people safer. as the actual mass shootings in gun free school zones show.
When they do happen....a gun in the hands of an armed citizen can save lives.......but they are just sacrifices to your stupid ideas...
Do you go to the firing range and practice fire while kids are playing down range?
Yes...confronted with the stupitidy of your argument....you follow the path of anti gunner left wingers and act like a child....
A gun fight at a school. That's a great idea! Why didn't I think of that! That's perfect sense now... let's have all kinds of people walking around schools packing heat... and just maybe a gun fight will kick off, that should be fun and extremely safe for the kids.
You're getting even more insane. Gotcha honey, teachers, administrators and parents are going to get into gun fights. Yeah, that'll happen. But it doesn't now because of gun free zones. You're a moonbat
Because we won't simply submit to his points....that we actually refuse to accept his dictate on gun ownership....he becomes less and less rational...if we were in a public place he would be trying to mace us and hit us with metal poles...that is how these left wingers progress.....
I've often come home from shopping and other errands saying thank the Lord I didn't have a gun with me when I was out because I probably would have gotten into a gunfight if I'd had one and now that I've cooled down I'm safe.
Lewdog boils down to an intensely hysterical fear of guns, he can't consider them rationally
Lewdog
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It's funny how blind you guys are to how you come to your positions. You use the hysteria of school gun shootings to rationalize against gun free zones while at the same time calling Liberals insane for arguing against stronger gun control on the same hysteria of mass shootings. You are more alike than different, and you don't recognize it. It's quite funny.
You can't understand the medium position that you can have all the guns you want, but there are places and times where they have no place to be... and you have no way in your mind to rationalize that out.
You can't understand the medium position that you can have all the guns you want, but there are places and times where they have no place to be... and you have no way in your mind to rationalize that out.
2aguy
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Okay lewdog...please answer the questions knowing that if a normal, law abiding person carries a legal, holstered weapon onto school grounds...this is what happens to them...
Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 - Wikipedia
Penalty[edit]
18 U.S.C. § 924(a)(4) establishes the penalty for violating GFSZA:
Whoever violates the Act shall be fined not more than $5,000, imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or both. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the term of imprisonment imposed under this paragraph shall not run concurrently with any other term of imprisonment imposed under any other provision of law.
A conviction under the GFSZA will cause an individual to become a "prohibited person" under the Gun Control Act of 1968. This will bar them from legally owning firearms for the rest of their life.[1][2]
And also, you will lose your job, and be unable to get a decent job after this conviction.....
So...those penalties happen to the normal, law abiding gun owner for simply crossing a property line with a legal, holstered gun.....without using it to harm anyone, or to commit any other crime....simply stepping foot on the property.......
And you think that is rational?
Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 - Wikipedia
Penalty[edit]
18 U.S.C. § 924(a)(4) establishes the penalty for violating GFSZA:
Whoever violates the Act shall be fined not more than $5,000, imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or both. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the term of imprisonment imposed under this paragraph shall not run concurrently with any other term of imprisonment imposed under any other provision of law.
A conviction under the GFSZA will cause an individual to become a "prohibited person" under the Gun Control Act of 1968. This will bar them from legally owning firearms for the rest of their life.[1][2]
And also, you will lose your job, and be unable to get a decent job after this conviction.....
So...those penalties happen to the normal, law abiding gun owner for simply crossing a property line with a legal, holstered gun.....without using it to harm anyone, or to commit any other crime....simply stepping foot on the property.......
And you think that is rational?
It's funny how blind you guys are to how you come to your positions. You use the hysteria of school gun shootings to rationalize against gun free zones while at the same time calling Liberals insane for arguing against stronger gun control on the same hysteria of mass shootings. You are more alike than different, and you don't recognize it. It's quite funny.
You can't understand the medium position that you can have all the guns you want, but there are places and times where they have no place to be... and you have no way in your mind to rationalize that out.
We're the ones who are "hysterical?" Is that why you avoid data to back up your argument like the plague?
Lewdog
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Do you go to the firing range and practice fire while kids are playing down range?
Yes...confronted with the stupitidy of your argument....you follow the path of anti gunner left wingers and act like a child....
A gun fight at a school. That's a great idea! Why didn't I think of that! That's perfect sense now... let's have all kinds of people walking around schools packing heat... and just maybe a gun fight will kick off, that should be fun and extremely safe for the kids.
You're getting even more insane. Gotcha honey, teachers, administrators and parents are going to get into gun fights. Yeah, that'll happen. But it doesn't now because of gun free zones. You're a moonbat
Because we won't simply submit to his points....that we actually refuse to accept his dictate on gun ownership....he becomes less and less rational...if we were in a public place he would be trying to mace us and hit us with metal poles...that is how these left wingers progress.....
I've often come home from shopping and other errands saying thank the Lord I didn't have a gun with me when I was out because I probably would have gotten into a gunfight if I'd had one and now that I've cooled down I'm safe.
Lewdog boils down to an intensely hysterical fear of guns, he can't consider them rationally
I have no fear of guns... I've literally said that straight flat out, but you continue to make false assertions. So I have to either believe you are absolutely retarded, or a troll, with no room in between.
I've been very well trained on firearms and advanced tactical firearm usage, thus why I said I don't fear firearms, but I respect them. But hey, that doesn't fit your insane argument so you have to make shit up.
Lewdog
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Okay lewdog...please answer the questions knowing that if a normal, law abiding person carries a legal, holstered weapon onto school grounds...this is what happens to them...
Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 - Wikipedia
Penalty[edit]
18 U.S.C. § 924(a)(4) establishes the penalty for violating GFSZA:
Whoever violates the Act shall be fined not more than $5,000, imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or both. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the term of imprisonment imposed under this paragraph shall not run concurrently with any other term of imprisonment imposed under any other provision of law.
A conviction under the GFSZA will cause an individual to become a "prohibited person" under the Gun Control Act of 1968. This will bar them from legally owning firearms for the rest of their life.[1][2]
And also, you will lose your job, and be unable to get a decent job after this conviction.....
So...those penalties happen to the normal, law abiding gun owner for simply crossing a property line with a legal, holstered gun.....without using it to harm anyone, or to commit any other crime....simply stepping foot on the property.......
And you think that is rational?
If you KNOW a school, is a gun free zone... you're a dumbass for carrying a gun there.
2aguy
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It's funny how blind you guys are to how you come to your positions. You use the hysteria of school gun shootings to rationalize against gun free zones while at the same time calling Liberals insane for arguing against stronger gun control on the same hysteria of mass shootings. You are more alike than different, and you don't recognize it. It's quite funny.
You can't understand the medium position that you can have all the guns you want, but there are places and times where they have no place to be... and you have no way in your mind to rationalize that out.
again....what is the problem with an individual who has committed no crime with the weapon from simply carrying one on their person....? They are not drawing the gun, they are not shooting the gun....and have committed no crime with the gun?
What is your fucking problem with that...and why would you destroy the life of someone who crosses the property line?
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