So now with the EVIL Corporation Insurance Companies losing their supplemental billions from the gov

[dblack]

So Joe you are a Socialist/Communist/Marxist/Fascist/Liberal/Progressive, who wants Donald J. Trump to be in charge of your healthcare?? Now be honest....

Wow, Barbie, is your English comprehension that poor?

Look, the reality of Trump - or any president, for that matter - is that the functions of government will continue on pretty much unabated. The mail will get delivered, the roads will get built, entitlements, mostly going to white people, will be distributed.

The whole point of this exercise is been to show just how little Trump can control it. He can't get his own party to repeal ObamaCare, so now he's going to sabotage it.

This is the guy you voted for.

But back to the point, given the choice between a government run program and one run by a greedy corporation, I'd go with the government program.

You say that Donald Trump is a pussy grabbing idiot, who shouldn't run this country, yet you want him to take over your healthcare. Egad man, at least fucking man up that you really do want the Don because deep down you want him to grab your pussy... ROTFLMAO.... Joe you are so funny...

They don't seem to get that. They're all freaking out because Trump is taking away healthcare from people, and I'm like: "Saw that coming."

I think the main conceit of the statists is that they think government will always represent their interests. But unlike the market, democratic government only represents the majority of the people. In their utopia of unlimited democracy, if you aren't in the majority, you're fucked.

 

[JoeB131]

You say that Donald Trump is a pussy grabbing idiot, who shouldn't run this country, yet you want him to take over your healthcare. Egad man, at least fucking man up that you really do want the Don because deep down you want him to grab your pussy... ROTFLMAO.... Joe you are so funny...

Again, by the time we get a single payer system, they'd have already frog marched Trump out of the White House for whatever impeachable offenses he committed.

but duly noted you can't really argue the merits of the subject, Barbie. Well done.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

You say that Donald Trump is a pussy grabbing idiot, who shouldn't run this country, yet you want him to take over your healthcare. Egad man, at least fucking man up that you really do want the Don because deep down you want him to grab your pussy... ROTFLMAO.... Joe you are so funny...

Again, by the time we get a single payer system, they'd have already frog marched Trump out of the White House for whatever impeachable offenses he committed.

but duly noted you can't really argue the merits of the subject, Barbie. Well done.

Are you mad?

 

[JoeB131]

They don't seem to get that. They're all freaking out because Trump is taking away healthcare from people, and I'm like: "Saw that coming."

I think the main conceit of the statists is that they think government will always represent their interests. But unlike the market, democratic government only represents the majority of the people. In their utopia of unlimited democracy, if you aren't in the majority, you're fucked.

Okay, buddy, let's get real. Most government services happen and continue to happen regardless of who is in power.

You see, I have no problem if I don't get my way if I'm not in the majority. Usually, events prove me right and I get to say, "I told you so!"

In this case, Trump is trying to sabotage health care because he couldn't get his way on a repeal. My guess is the insurance companies are going to put a stop to that nonsense, pretty quickly, but if they don't, then it will probably hasten the day when we get single payer, and that works for me, too.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

You say that Donald Trump is a pussy grabbing idiot, who shouldn't run this country, yet you want him to take over your healthcare. Egad man, at least fucking man up that you really do want the Don because deep down you want him to grab your pussy... ROTFLMAO.... Joe you are so funny...

Again, by the time we get a single payer system, they'd have already frog marched Trump out of the White House for whatever impeachable offenses he committed.

but duly noted you can't really argue the merits of the subject, Barbie. Well done.

whatever impeachable offensese

Wow, Barbie(Joe), is your English comprehension that poor?

Joe? Hmmmmm?

 

[JoeB131]

Are you mad?

Naw, Barbie, just bored with you. You remind me of a childhood acquaintance who listens to hate radio all day and thinks he has original ideas.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

They don't seem to get that. They're all freaking out because Trump is taking away healthcare from people, and I'm like: "Saw that coming."

I think the main conceit of the statists is that they think government will always represent their interests. But unlike the market, democratic government only represents the majority of the people. In their utopia of unlimited democracy, if you aren't in the majority, you're fucked.

Okay, buddy, let's get real. Most government services happen and continue to happen regardless of who is in power.

You see, I have no problem if I don't get my way if I'm not in the majority. Usually, events prove me right and I get to say, "I told you so!"

In this case, Trump is trying to sabotage health care because he couldn't get his way on a repeal. My guess is the insurance companies are going to put a stop to that nonsense, pretty quickly, but if they don't, then it will probably hasten the day when we get single payer, and that works for me, too.

events prove me right

Bwaaaaaahhhhaaaaahhhhhaaaaaaaaaa... Stop Joe, my sides are hurting...

 

[JoeB131]

You say that Donald Trump is a pussy grabbing idiot, who shouldn't run this country, yet you want him to take over your healthcare. Egad man, at least fucking man up that you really do want the Don because deep down you want him to grab your pussy... ROTFLMAO.... Joe you are so funny...

Again, by the time we get a single payer system, they'd have already frog marched Trump out of the White House for whatever impeachable offenses he committed.

but duly noted you can't really argue the merits of the subject, Barbie. Well done.

whatever impeachable offensese

Wow, Barbie(Joe), is your English comprehension that poor?

Joe? Hmmmmm?

Um, Barbie, it's spelled right in my original post, and I didn't even have to go back and fix it. (I usually get a red squiggly when I misspell something.)

So you are getting desperate.

 

[dblack]

You see, I have no problem if I don't get my way if I'm not in the majority. Usually, events prove me right and I get to say, "I told you so!"

Prove you "right"? We're talking about values and preferences. There's no one "right" way to do health care. That's why government has no business forcing one solution on everyone. I know it contradicts your core beliefs, but freedom is a good thing Joe. It makes it possible for us to live more fulfilling lives as individuals and allows diversity in society, diversity that makes us stronger and better as a nation.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

You say that Donald Trump is a pussy grabbing idiot, who shouldn't run this country, yet you want him to take over your healthcare. Egad man, at least fucking man up that you really do want the Don because deep down you want him to grab your pussy... ROTFLMAO.... Joe you are so funny...

Again, by the time we get a single payer system, they'd have already frog marched Trump out of the White House for whatever impeachable offenses he committed.

but duly noted you can't really argue the merits of the subject, Barbie. Well done.

whatever impeachable offensese

Wow, Barbie(Joe), is your English comprehension that poor?

Joe? Hmmmmm?

Um, Barbie, it's spelled right in my original post, and I didn't even have to go back and fix it. (I usually get a red squiggly when I misspell something.)

So you are getting desperate.

Now, Joe, you are as slimy as Bill Clinton. I copied and pasted what you wrote, then enhanced the word, but it seems that you who were caught had to go back and fix your mistake. You precious little cupcake you.

I feel sorry for your parents, for I bet they brought you up to be honest and have integrity. Today they must be very disappointed that
a. You want to make this country a communist country.
b. That you have no honor or integrity.

 

[JoeB131]

Now, Joe, you are as slimy as Bill Clinton. I copied and pasted what you wrote, then enhanced the word, but it seems that you who were caught had to go back and fix your mistake. You precious little cupcake you.

um, no, actually I didn't. I think you inserted a mistake because you were losing an argument... but frankly, that's what I've come to expect from you, Barbie.

I feel sorry for your parents, for I bet they brought you up to be honest and have integrity. Today they must be very disappointed that
a. You want to make this country a communist country.
b. That you have no honor or integrity.

Guy, you can scream Communism all day, but I would love to go back to the country my parents had. The one where Dad could get a good union job and the rich paid their fair share and 'commies" like Eisenhower thought this was a good thing.

 

[JoeB131]

Prove you "right"? We're talking about values and preferences. There's no one "right" way to do health care. That's why government has no business forcing one solution on everyone. I know it contradicts your core beliefs, but freedom is a good thing Joe. It makes it possible for us to live more fulfilling lives as individuals and allows diversity in society, diversity that makes us stronger and better as a nation.

Guy, I don't feel particularly "free" if I have to stay at a job I hate because I am afraid of losing health care. I feel less free if after working at that job I really didn't like that much for a number of years, and that day comes when I have to make a medical claim for a procedure my doctor says I need, and I get the run-around from Cigna and have to fight them for years over it.

The problem with you Libertarians is that your definition of "Freedom" is those with wealth to be able to push around those of us without wealth.

My definition of freedom is a fair and equal playing field.

Now, as far as a "right" way, you are right, there is no "Right" way.

There are "better ways"... And when the countries that have single payer all live longer, have lower infant mortality rates, and spend less per capita than we do, then they are doing it "better".

 

[dblack]

Prove you "right"? We're talking about values and preferences. There's no one "right" way to do health care. That's why government has no business forcing one solution on everyone. I know it contradicts your core beliefs, but freedom is a good thing Joe. It makes it possible for us to live more fulfilling lives as individuals and allows diversity in society, diversity that makes us stronger and better as a nation.

Guy, I don't feel particularly "free" if I have to stay at a job I hate because I am afraid of losing health care. I feel less free if after working at that job I really didn't like that much for a number of years, and that day comes when I have to make a medical claim for a procedure my doctor says I need, and I get the run-around from Cigna and have to fight them for years over it.

The problem with you Libertarians is that your definition of "Freedom" is those with wealth to be able to push around those of us without wealth.

My definition of freedom is a fair and equal playing field.

Now, as far as a "right" way, you are right, there is no "Right" way.

There are "better ways"... And when the countries that have single payer all live longer, have lower infant mortality rates, and spend less per capita than we do, then they are doing it "better".

Sorry Joe. I know you don't get freedom. But you do, at least, seem to understand that it isn't compatible with socialism. As a nation, we're going to have to choose.

 

[JoeB131]

Sorry Joe. I know you don't get freedom. But you do, at least, seem to understand that it isn't compatible with socialism. As a nation, we're going to have to choose.

Neither Socialism or Capitalism are compatible with "Freedom". One just puts the power with the majority, the other with the wealthy. Again, I know this is tough for you, because the Koch Brothers spend billions brainwashing you into thinking greed and freedom are the same thing.

The thing is, whether you are getting your health care from a government agency or a private company, it's still all "Socialist".

You are either paying in more than you are getting out, or you are getting out more than you are paying in.

The problem with the current system is that it allows those with money and power to abuse you. Want to quit? Better not, or we'll call your cancer a "Pre-existing" condition and good luck getting new insurance.

That's not freedom, that's rich people having you by the short hairs.

On the other hand, if you had single payer, and your coverage was not dependent on your employment or finance status. You're sick, you go in and see a doctor and get treatment.

Yes, it might suck for the doctors who went into medicine for six figure salaries, I guess, if the government limits what they get paid, but they are already being limited by the insurance companies where the "Family practice" is being replaced by the corporate chain medicine anyway, and the doctor is just an employee.

 

[Cellblock2429]

/----/ " The thing is, you never buy a product because Daddy Warbucks is the CEO." What happened to Apple stock when they fired Steve Jobs? What happened to the stock when they hired him back?

Are we talking about stock or product?

/----/ You idiot. The stock went up because of the way Jobs developed products starting with the iPod.

 

[Cellblock2429]

No, if people like Joe like the game of Soccer, that is just fine, because Joe wants America to be more like Europe. Why else does he want the Evil Republicans and Donald Trump to be in charge of HIS healthcare..

In 10 years, the Republican party will be a regional party in the South. So I'm not that worried about it.

Just not enough angry old white people to keep you afloat indefinitely.

/----/ You clowns have been predicting that since 2009. But it helps you sleep at night:
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/republicans_a_regional_party/

 

[Cellblock2429]

/----/ " The thing is, you never buy a product because Daddy Warbucks is the CEO." What happened to Apple stock when they fired Steve Jobs? What happened to the stock when they hired him back?

Are we talking about stock or product?

/----/ Here's another one where folks buy the Daddy Warbucks CEO: Sears Sinks After Key Investor Berkowitz Plans to Leave Board

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Now, Joe, you are as slimy as Bill Clinton. I copied and pasted what you wrote, then enhanced the word, but it seems that you who were caught had to go back and fix your mistake. You precious little cupcake you.

um, no, actually I didn't. I think you inserted a mistake because you were losing an argument... but frankly, that's what I've come to expect from you, Barbie.

I feel sorry for your parents, for I bet they brought you up to be honest and have integrity. Today they must be very disappointed that
a. You want to make this country a communist country.
b. That you have no honor or integrity.

Guy, you can scream Communism all day, but I would love to go back to the country my parents had. The one where Dad could get a good union job and the rich paid their fair share and 'commies" like Eisenhower thought this was a good thing.

Those same Union Jobs that caused Eastern Airlines to go bankrupt? The same ones that caused GM to go bankrupt? Joe because the unions told people to strike when the company was in trouble, that was the change that came to America that made people expendable. Stupid fucks like you, just want to continue the status quo of FAILURE...

 

[dblack]

The thing is, whether you are getting your health care from a government agency or a private company, it's still all "Socialist".

No. Private companies are the opposite of Socialism.

Listen, Joe. You can't just go around making up your own words. Or, well, I guess you can, but then you're not actually communicating with anyone. You might as well be typing gibberish.

Yes, it might suck for the doctors who went into medicine for six figure salaries, I guess, if the government limits what they get paid, but they are already being limited by the insurance companies where the "Family practice" is being replaced by the corporate chain medicine anyway, and the doctor is just an employee.

It sucks for anyone who wants something different than what the government (and its lobbyists) think they ought to have.

 

[Slyhunter]

Joe why do you want the insurance companies to get that corporate welfare? I could of sworn a while ago, you wanted all corporate welfare to stop? Should evil rich companies be subsidized by the government or not?

Why do you keep changing the subject when you get spanked?

I've already stated my position on this subject. Single Payer, now.

Now, if Trump breaks the system, that's all on him, but frankly, that'll probably make it easier to get Single Payer.

We can't afford to give paid medical care to every citizen in America. It could bankrupt our country. And we definitely can't afford to do it if we keep allowing third worlders to come into this country and sap our resources.