So now with the EVIL Corporation Insurance Companies losing their supplemental billions from the gov

[Mikeoxenormous]

Consider the California Single Payer bill. An analysis by the state Senate’s Appropriations Committee found that the measure would cost $400 billion annually. That’s more than three times the state’s annual budget of $125 billion.

Single-payer systems aren’t just unaffordable. They deliver atrocious care.

Guy, the thing is, we ALREADY spend more than any other country on health care, with a lot of people making a profit.

We spend 18% of our GDP on heath care, compared to most other industrialized countries that spend 8-11%.

How do they spend less, they get rid of things like "payments to stockholders" and "Nine figure CEO Salaries".

Consequently, many Canadians have to leave the country to get the care they need. In 2014, more than 52,000 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment outside of Canada. In recent years, local health officials have authorized more than $100 million in spending to send Ontario patients waiting for critical transplants to U.S. hospitals.

That lie has been debunked.

5 Myths About Canadian Health Care

Myth #1: Canadians are flocking to the United States to get medical care.

How many times have you heard that Canadians, frustrated by long wait times and rationing where they live, come to the United States for medical care?

I don’t deny that some well-off people might come to the United States for medical care. If I needed a heart or lung transplant, there’s no place I’d rather have it done. But for the vast, vast majority of people, that’s not happening.

The most comprehensive study I’ve seen on this topic — it employed three different methodologies, all with solid rationales behind them — was published in the peer-reviewed journal Health Affairs.

Source: “Phantoms in the Snow: Canadians’ Use of Health Care Services in the United States,” Health Affairs, May 2002.

The authors of the study started by surveying 136 ambulatory care facilities near the U.S.-Canada border in Michigan, New York and Washington. It makes sense that Canadians crossing the border for care would favor places close by, right? It turns out, however, that about 80 percent of such facilities saw, on average, fewer than one Canadian per month; about 40 percent had seen none in the preceding year.

In the United Kingdom’s government-run system, patients aren’t faring any better. In 2015, more than 130,000 patients did not receive timely cancer care. Between 2000 and 2015, the number of available hospital beds declined 20 percent.

Okay, let's look at this LIE. From those Commie Bastards at Forbes, no less.

U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries

Turns out that many of those "other countries" (including France) score better than the U.S. in one key metric not included in Cadillac's TV spot — healthcare. At least that's according to The Commonwealth Fund in their latest report "Mirror, Mirror On The Wall — 2014 Update" (pdf here).

For this year's survey on overall health care, The Commonwealth Fund ranked the U.S. dead last .

1. United Kingdom
2. Switzerland
3. Sweden
4. Australia
5. Germany & Netherlands (tied)
7. New Zealand & Norway (tied)
9. France
10. Canada
11. United States

It's fairly well accepted that the U.S. is the most expensive healthcare system in the world, but many continue to falsely assume that we pay more for healthcare because we get better health (or better health outcomes). The evidence, however, clearly doesn't support that view.

By the way, Joe is very envious of those that make a lot of money, if you haven't figured that out by now...

 

[Cellblock2429]

/----/ You're ignoring the reports I posted about the failures of single payer. Have you ever considered SP may not be the ideal solution you think it is?

No, I haven't considered that, because for the most part, they get better results than we do in terms of metrics and spend a lot less money doing it.

But, but, but... Charlie Gard! They only kept his corpse alive for four months!

/----/ So you think the guy who sweeps the floor or assembles the widgets the owner of the company designed, developed and invested in deserve the same pay? Is that how you think things should work? If so, then the owner will say, WHY BOTHER? Then he and all the workers will be out of work. You simpleton.

Do I htink they should make the same? No. Do I think the guy on the assembly line should make enough to take care of his family? Yes.

Incidently, in most of the world, that is exactly how it works.

U.S. CEOs earn from 400 to 500 times the median salary for workers. For CEOs in the U.K., the ratio is 22; in France, it's 15; and in Germany it's 12.

CEO Compensation in the US Vs. the World

/----/ The principle of the state capitalism of the period of transition to communism: the authorities pretend they are paying wages, workers pretend they are working. Alternatively, "So long as the bosses pretend to pay us, we will pretend to work." This joke persisted essentially unchanged through the 1980s.

So you have no proof anyone actually said this, then?

For crying out loud Joe, the only insurance you are compelled to buy is liability to protect others that you may harm in an accident. Unless you have a loan on your car, you are not forced to buy Fire, Theft and Collision. Once you own the car outright, you only have to have liability.

Exactly.

So with health insurance, if you aren't going to do the sensible thing and have single payer, then you should have everyone required to buy insurance, for the same reason everyone has to buy liability- so the cost of your problems don't get spread around to everyone else.

Did you know that the Professional athletes who kneel to the national anthem make 400 to 500 times the median salary of the workers who buy their tickets? Why do they get so much money?

/----/ We need wealth distribution in the NFL between players and fans.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Consider the California Single Payer bill. An analysis by the state Senate’s Appropriations Committee found that the measure would cost $400 billion annually. That’s more than three times the state’s annual budget of $125 billion.

Single-payer systems aren’t just unaffordable. They deliver atrocious care.

Guy, the thing is, we ALREADY spend more than any other country on health care, with a lot of people making a profit.

We spend 18% of our GDP on heath care, compared to most other industrialized countries that spend 8-11%.

How do they spend less, they get rid of things like "payments to stockholders" and "Nine figure CEO Salaries".

Consequently, many Canadians have to leave the country to get the care they need. In 2014, more than 52,000 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment outside of Canada. In recent years, local health officials have authorized more than $100 million in spending to send Ontario patients waiting for critical transplants to U.S. hospitals.

That lie has been debunked.

5 Myths About Canadian Health Care

Myth #1: Canadians are flocking to the United States to get medical care.

How many times have you heard that Canadians, frustrated by long wait times and rationing where they live, come to the United States for medical care?

I don’t deny that some well-off people might come to the United States for medical care. If I needed a heart or lung transplant, there’s no place I’d rather have it done. But for the vast, vast majority of people, that’s not happening.

The most comprehensive study I’ve seen on this topic — it employed three different methodologies, all with solid rationales behind them — was published in the peer-reviewed journal Health Affairs.

Source: “Phantoms in the Snow: Canadians’ Use of Health Care Services in the United States,” Health Affairs, May 2002.

The authors of the study started by surveying 136 ambulatory care facilities near the U.S.-Canada border in Michigan, New York and Washington. It makes sense that Canadians crossing the border for care would favor places close by, right? It turns out, however, that about 80 percent of such facilities saw, on average, fewer than one Canadian per month; about 40 percent had seen none in the preceding year.

In the United Kingdom’s government-run system, patients aren’t faring any better. In 2015, more than 130,000 patients did not receive timely cancer care. Between 2000 and 2015, the number of available hospital beds declined 20 percent.

Okay, let's look at this LIE. From those Commie Bastards at Forbes, no less.

U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries

Turns out that many of those "other countries" (including France) score better than the U.S. in one key metric not included in Cadillac's TV spot — healthcare. At least that's according to The Commonwealth Fund in their latest report "Mirror, Mirror On The Wall — 2014 Update" (pdf here).

For this year's survey on overall health care, The Commonwealth Fund ranked the U.S. dead last .

1. United Kingdom
2. Switzerland
3. Sweden
4. Australia
5. Germany & Netherlands (tied)
7. New Zealand & Norway (tied)
9. France
10. Canada
11. United States

It's fairly well accepted that the U.S. is the most expensive healthcare system in the world, but many continue to falsely assume that we pay more for healthcare because we get better health (or better health outcomes). The evidence, however, clearly doesn't support that view.

By the way, Joe is very envious of those that make a lot of money, if you haven't figured that out by now...

/----/ Joe must be outraged over this wealth distribution inequality:
On average, NBA players make $5.15 million, MLB players make $3.2 million, NHL players make $2.4 million, and NFL players make $1.9 million per year, according to Forbes.

 

[JoeB131]

Did you know that the Professional athletes who kneel to the national anthem make 400 to 500 times the median salary of the workers who buy their tickets? Why do they get so much money?

Well, no, they don't.

The highest NFL Salary is $27 million/Yr for Matthew Stafford. I don't know if he's taking a knee or not, but he's the highest. Most make a lot less. (actually, doing a bit of research, Stafford hasn't taken a stand on the protests and his wife has complained about them in the media)

The average NFL Salary is 2.1 Million.

The NFL's Highest-Paid Players 2016

So, again- I KNOW you are math challenged, but the average American income is $53,719, although I suspect people who can afford to pay $300 to go to a Bears game probably make more than that, let's go with that as an average.

So the AVERAGE NFL Player only makes 39 times what an average American makes.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Consider the California Single Payer bill. An analysis by the state Senate’s Appropriations Committee found that the measure would cost $400 billion annually. That’s more than three times the state’s annual budget of $125 billion.

Single-payer systems aren’t just unaffordable. They deliver atrocious care.

Guy, the thing is, we ALREADY spend more than any other country on health care, with a lot of people making a profit.

We spend 18% of our GDP on heath care, compared to most other industrialized countries that spend 8-11%.

How do they spend less, they get rid of things like "payments to stockholders" and "Nine figure CEO Salaries".

Consequently, many Canadians have to leave the country to get the care they need. In 2014, more than 52,000 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment outside of Canada. In recent years, local health officials have authorized more than $100 million in spending to send Ontario patients waiting for critical transplants to U.S. hospitals.

That lie has been debunked.

5 Myths About Canadian Health Care

Myth #1: Canadians are flocking to the United States to get medical care.

How many times have you heard that Canadians, frustrated by long wait times and rationing where they live, come to the United States for medical care?

I don’t deny that some well-off people might come to the United States for medical care. If I needed a heart or lung transplant, there’s no place I’d rather have it done. But for the vast, vast majority of people, that’s not happening.

The most comprehensive study I’ve seen on this topic — it employed three different methodologies, all with solid rationales behind them — was published in the peer-reviewed journal Health Affairs.

Source: “Phantoms in the Snow: Canadians’ Use of Health Care Services in the United States,” Health Affairs, May 2002.

The authors of the study started by surveying 136 ambulatory care facilities near the U.S.-Canada border in Michigan, New York and Washington. It makes sense that Canadians crossing the border for care would favor places close by, right? It turns out, however, that about 80 percent of such facilities saw, on average, fewer than one Canadian per month; about 40 percent had seen none in the preceding year.

In the United Kingdom’s government-run system, patients aren’t faring any better. In 2015, more than 130,000 patients did not receive timely cancer care. Between 2000 and 2015, the number of available hospital beds declined 20 percent.

Okay, let's look at this LIE. From those Commie Bastards at Forbes, no less.

U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries

Turns out that many of those "other countries" (including France) score better than the U.S. in one key metric not included in Cadillac's TV spot — healthcare. At least that's according to The Commonwealth Fund in their latest report "Mirror, Mirror On The Wall — 2014 Update" (pdf here).

For this year's survey on overall health care, The Commonwealth Fund ranked the U.S. dead last .

1. United Kingdom
2. Switzerland
3. Sweden
4. Australia
5. Germany & Netherlands (tied)
7. New Zealand & Norway (tied)
9. France
10. Canada
11. United States

It's fairly well accepted that the U.S. is the most expensive healthcare system in the world, but many continue to falsely assume that we pay more for healthcare because we get better health (or better health outcomes). The evidence, however, clearly doesn't support that view.

By the way, Joe is very envious of those that make a lot of money, if you haven't figured that out by now...

/----/ Joe must be outraged over this wealth distribution inequality:
On average, NBA players make $5.15 million, MLB players make $3.2 million, NHL players make $2.4 million, and NFL players make $1.9 million per year, according to Forbes.

Don't forget Hollyweed elites and their millions that they make also, while charging those poor ticket holders up to 15 dollars for 1 movie... How dare they!!!

 

[dblack]

/—-/ I remember the good old days when libtards hated corporate welfare.

Hey, I'd be happy to get the insurance companies out of the mix and go to single payer.

Medicare for all, eh? You think that will get insurance companies out of the mix? Think again. All that will do is secure their place at the feeding trough:

33. Medicare is a Private–Public Partnership || CMA

Most people think Medicare is a government program. That’s only partly true. While Congress created Medicare, and continues to develop Medicare coverage and appeal rules, decisions to pay claims are actually made by private companies. The government does not make those decisions. This was one of the compromises made in order to pass Medicare in 1965 – and the public-private partnership continues to date.

Indeed, the entities granting or denying coverage, and those deciding whether or not to pay claims, are mostly private insurance companies. For example, Anthem is the parent company of “National Government Services,” one of the major Medicare claims administrators. Another Medicare administrative contractor, “MAXIMUS,” is a for-profit company that helps state, federal and foreign governments administer programs.

In addition, about 30% of Medicare beneficiaries are enrolled in private “Medicare Advantage” plans. These plans are also run by private companies, mostly within the insurance industry, and they make Medicare initial coverage decisions for their enrollees.

We know that when Medicare is working right and covering necessary care, everyone is content. But, if coverage is denied unfairly… don’t blame the government. It’s probably not “Medicare” that made the decision; it’s most likely a private insurance company that’s paid by Medicare to make coverage decisions.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Did you know that the Professional athletes who kneel to the national anthem make 400 to 500 times the median salary of the workers who buy their tickets? Why do they get so much money?

Well, no, they don't.

The highest NFL Salary is $27 million/Yr for Matthew Stafford. I don't know if he's taking a knee or not, but he's the highest. Most make a lot less. (actually, doing a bit of research, Stafford hasn't taken a stand on the protests and his wife has complained about them in the media)

The average NFL Salary is 2.1 Million.

The NFL's Highest-Paid Players 2016

So, again- I KNOW you are math challenged, but the average American income is $53,719, although I suspect people who can afford to pay $300 to go to a Bears game probably make more than that, let's go with that as an average.

So the AVERAGE NFL Player only makes 39 times what an average American makes.

Those players get $15,000 a minute played while some union guy makes $20 an hour. No problem for you Joe?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Did you know that the Professional athletes who kneel to the national anthem make 400 to 500 times the median salary of the workers who buy their tickets? Why do they get so much money?

Well, no, they don't.

The highest NFL Salary is $27 million/Yr for Matthew Stafford. I don't know if he's taking a knee or not, but he's the highest. Most make a lot less. (actually, doing a bit of research, Stafford hasn't taken a stand on the protests and his wife has complained about them in the media)

The average NFL Salary is 2.1 Million.

The NFL's Highest-Paid Players 2016

So, again- I KNOW you are math challenged, but the average American income is $53,719, although I suspect people who can afford to pay $300 to go to a Bears game probably make more than that, let's go with that as an average.

So the AVERAGE NFL Player only makes 39 times what an average American makes.

Joe why do you want the insurance companies to get that corporate welfare? I could of sworn a while ago, you wanted all corporate welfare to stop? Should evil rich companies be subsidized by the government or not?

 

[JoeB131]

/----/ Joe must be outraged over this wealth distribution inequality:
On average, NBA players make $5.15 million, MLB players make $3.2 million, NHL players make $2.4 million, and NFL players make $1.9 million per year, according to Forbes.

well, if you are all dumb enough to pay for it, that's on you. I mostly ignore sports.

But let's look at that. The thing is, you never buy a product because Daddy Warbucks is the CEO. You are buying the product made by the guy on the line, and how good is work is.

When you go to a sporting event, you are going to see that player, and if he doesn't perform to standards, he gets traded off to another team pretty quickly.

I should also point out that in a sports organization, the guys who aren't the "Stars" - the benchwarmers, the guys who work in the stadium, etc. are mostly unionized and bring home a pretty good salary.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Did you know that the Professional athletes who kneel to the national anthem make 400 to 500 times the median salary of the workers who buy their tickets? Why do they get so much money?

Well, no, they don't.

The highest NFL Salary is $27 million/Yr for Matthew Stafford. I don't know if he's taking a knee or not, but he's the highest. Most make a lot less. (actually, doing a bit of research, Stafford hasn't taken a stand on the protests and his wife has complained about them in the media)

The average NFL Salary is 2.1 Million.

The NFL's Highest-Paid Players 2016

So, again- I KNOW you are math challenged, but the average American income is $53,719, although I suspect people who can afford to pay $300 to go to a Bears game probably make more than that, let's go with that as an average.

So the AVERAGE NFL Player only makes 39 times what an average American makes.

Those players get $15,000 a minute played while some union guy makes $20 an hour. No problem for you Joe?

/----/ I think Joe is the type who follows soccer. You know, that game that lasts for hours and the ending score is 0 - 0? That game where the fans gouge each other's eyes out?

 

[JoeB131]

Joe why do you want the insurance companies to get that corporate welfare? I could of sworn a while ago, you wanted all corporate welfare to stop? Should evil rich companies be subsidized by the government or not?

Why do you keep changing the subject when you get spanked?

I've already stated my position on this subject. Single Payer, now.

Now, if Trump breaks the system, that's all on him, but frankly, that'll probably make it easier to get Single Payer.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

/----/ Joe must be outraged over this wealth distribution inequality:
On average, NBA players make $5.15 million, MLB players make $3.2 million, NHL players make $2.4 million, and NFL players make $1.9 million per year, according to Forbes.

well, if you are all dumb enough to pay for it, that's on you. I mostly ignore sports.

But let's look at that. The thing is, you never buy a product because Daddy Warbucks is the CEO. You are buying the product made by the guy on the line, and how good is work is.

When you go to a sporting event, you are going to see that player, and if he doesn't perform to standards, he gets traded off to another team pretty quickly.

I should also point out that in a sports organization, the guys who aren't the "Stars" - the benchwarmers, the guys who work in the stadium, etc. are mostly unionized and bring home a pretty good salary.

So Joe if you are dumb enough to by the stuff from a corporation, that's on you......

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Joe why do you want the insurance companies to get that corporate welfare? I could of sworn a while ago, you wanted all corporate welfare to stop? Should evil rich companies be subsidized by the government or not?

Why do you keep changing the subject when you get spanked?

I've already stated my position on this subject. Single Payer, now.

Now, if Trump breaks the system, that's all on him, but frankly, that'll probably make it easier to get Single Payer.

So Joe you are a Socialist/Communist/Marxist/Fascist/Liberal/Progressive, who wants Donald J. Trump to be in charge of your healthcare?? Now be honest....

 

[JoeB131]

/----/ I think Joe is the type who follows soccer. You know, that game that lasts for hours and the ending score is 0 - 0? That game where the fans gouge each other's eyes out?

Because... man, you hate Soccer, that's a socialist sport!!!

Those damned commies!

 

[Cellblock2429]

/----/ Joe must be outraged over this wealth distribution inequality:
On average, NBA players make $5.15 million, MLB players make $3.2 million, NHL players make $2.4 million, and NFL players make $1.9 million per year, according to Forbes.

well, if you are all dumb enough to pay for it, that's on you. I mostly ignore sports.

But let's look at that. The thing is, you never buy a product because Daddy Warbucks is the CEO. You are buying the product made by the guy on the line, and how good is work is.

When you go to a sporting event, you are going to see that player, and if he doesn't perform to standards, he gets traded off to another team pretty quickly.

I should also point out that in a sports organization, the guys who aren't the "Stars" - the benchwarmers, the guys who work in the stadium, etc. are mostly unionized and bring home a pretty good salary.

/----/ " The thing is, you never buy a product because Daddy Warbucks is the CEO." What happened to Apple stock when they fired Steve Jobs? What happened to the stock when they hired him back?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

/----/ I think Joe is the type who follows soccer. You know, that game that lasts for hours and the ending score is 0 - 0? That game where the fans gouge each other's eyes out?

Because... man, you hate Soccer, that's a socialist sport!!!

Those damned commies!

No, if people like Joe like the game of Soccer, that is just fine, because Joe wants America to be more like Europe. Why else does he want the Evil Republicans and Donald Trump to be in charge of HIS healthcare..

 

[JoeB131]

So Joe you are a Socialist/Communist/Marxist/Fascist/Liberal/Progressive, who wants Donald J. Trump to be in charge of your healthcare?? Now be honest....

Wow, Barbie, is your English comprehension that poor?

Look, the reality of Trump - or any president, for that matter - is that the functions of government will continue on pretty much unabated. The mail will get delivered, the roads will get built, entitlements, mostly going to white people, will be distributed.

The whole point of this exercise is been to show just how little Trump can control it. He can't get his own party to repeal ObamaCare, so now he's going to sabotage it.

This is the guy you voted for.

But back to the point, given the choice between a government run program and one run by a greedy corporation, I'd go with the government program.

 

[JoeB131]

No, if people like Joe like the game of Soccer, that is just fine, because Joe wants America to be more like Europe. Why else does he want the Evil Republicans and Donald Trump to be in charge of HIS healthcare..

In 10 years, the Republican party will be a regional party in the South. So I'm not that worried about it.

Just not enough angry old white people to keep you afloat indefinitely.

 

[JoeB131]

/----/ " The thing is, you never buy a product because Daddy Warbucks is the CEO." What happened to Apple stock when they fired Steve Jobs? What happened to the stock when they hired him back?

Are we talking about stock or product?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

So Joe you are a Socialist/Communist/Marxist/Fascist/Liberal/Progressive, who wants Donald J. Trump to be in charge of your healthcare?? Now be honest....

Wow, Barbie, is your English comprehension that poor?

Look, the reality of Trump - or any president, for that matter - is that the functions of government will continue on pretty much unabated. The mail will get delivered, the roads will get built, entitlements, mostly going to white people, will be distributed.

The whole point of this exercise is been to show just how little Trump can control it. He can't get his own party to repeal ObamaCare, so now he's going to sabotage it.

This is the guy you voted for.

But back to the point, given the choice between a government run program and one run by a greedy corporation, I'd go with the government program.

You say that Donald Trump is a pussy grabbing idiot, who shouldn't run this country, yet you want him to take over your healthcare. Egad man, at least fucking man up that you really do want the Don because deep down you want him to grab your pussy... ROTFLMAO.... Joe you are so funny...