So now with the EVIL Corporation Insurance Companies losing their supplemental billions from the gov

[Mikeoxenormous]

Joe why do you want the insurance companies to get that corporate welfare? I could of sworn a while ago, you wanted all corporate welfare to stop? Should evil rich companies be subsidized by the government or not?

Why do you keep changing the subject when you get spanked?

I've already stated my position on this subject. Single Payer, now.

Now, if Trump breaks the system, that's all on him, but frankly, that'll probably make it easier to get Single Payer.

We can't afford to give paid medical care to every citizen in America. It could bankrupt our country. And we definitely can't afford to do it if we keep allowing third worlders to come into this country and sap our resources.

It is all about Joe and wanting the country to be Communist. Problem for Joe is, he would lose his 2 houses that he owns....Right Joe?

Cloward–Piven strategy
The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty".
Cloward–Piven strategy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward–Piven_strategy

 

[JoeB131]

/----/ You idiot. The stock went up because of the way Jobs developed products starting with the iPod.

Jobs "developed" them, or other people developed them, and had their work declared "intellectual property"?

See the problem, buddy?

Those same Union Jobs that caused Eastern Airlines to go bankrupt? The same ones that caused GM to go bankrupt?

Actually, those companies went bankrupt because the guys making the 8 figure salaries made bad decisions. Not because the unions demanded good wages and benefits.

Sorry you are confused on this point.

Joe because the unions told people to strike when the company was in trouble, that was the change that came to America that made people expendable. Stupid fucks like you, just want to continue the status quo of FAILURE...

so what's your alternative, we all work for slave wages and no benefits, so a few rich people can be richer? Because somehow you have delusions of having your Barbie Mansion?

No. Private companies are the opposite of Socialism.

Listen, Joe. You can't just go around making up your own words. Or, well, I guess you can, but then you're not actually communicating with anyone. You might as well be typing gibberish.

You are avoiding the point. If I pay into an insurance plan or work to pay for insurance, and I don't get sick that year, I'm paying for the guy who did get sick that year.

That's socialism, buddy. Or at the least collectivism.

We can't afford to give paid medical care to every citizen in America. It could bankrupt our country. And we definitely can't afford to do it if we keep allowing third worlders to come into this country and sap our resources.

Two issues here.

Of course we can give paid medical care to everyone in the country. We already spend more per capita than any country in the world, and those countries provide health care to all citizens. The money is there, just not being spent properly. Less for CEO salaries and more for primary care. Problem solved.

As for the "Third Worlders", they probably produce more than they 'sap". Again, the problem is wealth distribution, not who is coming here.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

/----/ You idiot. The stock went up because of the way Jobs developed products starting with the iPod.

Jobs "developed" them, or other people developed them, and had their work declared "intellectual property"?

See the problem, buddy?

Those same Union Jobs that caused Eastern Airlines to go bankrupt? The same ones that caused GM to go bankrupt?

Actually, those companies went bankrupt because the guys making the 8 figure salaries made bad decisions. Not because the unions demanded good wages and benefits.

Sorry you are confused on this point.

Joe because the unions told people to strike when the company was in trouble, that was the change that came to America that made people expendable. Stupid fucks like you, just want to continue the status quo of FAILURE...

so what's your alternative, we all work for slave wages and no benefits, so a few rich people can be richer? Because somehow you have delusions of having your Barbie Mansion?

No. Private companies are the opposite of Socialism.

Listen, Joe. You can't just go around making up your own words. Or, well, I guess you can, but then you're not actually communicating with anyone. You might as well be typing gibberish.

You are avoiding the point. If I pay into an insurance plan or work to pay for insurance, and I don't get sick that year, I'm paying for the guy who did get sick that year.

That's socialism, buddy. Or at the least collectivism.

We can't afford to give paid medical care to every citizen in America. It could bankrupt our country. And we definitely can't afford to do it if we keep allowing third worlders to come into this country and sap our resources.

Two issues here.

Of course we can give paid medical care to everyone in the country. We already spend more per capita than any country in the world, and those countries provide health care to all citizens. The money is there, just not being spent properly. Less for CEO salaries and more for primary care. Problem solved.

As for the "Third Worlders", they probably produce more than they 'sap". Again, the problem is wealth distribution, not who is coming here.

so what's your alternative, we all work for slave wages and no benefits,

Poor liberal victims who aren't educated enough end up doing this all the time. I did straight out of high school, but got skills and knowledge, left the victimhood of liberalism and now work for myself. Joe, stupid fucks like you will never leave the liberal victimhood.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

/----/ You idiot. The stock went up because of the way Jobs developed products starting with the iPod.

Jobs "developed" them, or other people developed them, and had their work declared "intellectual property"?

See the problem, buddy?

Those same Union Jobs that caused Eastern Airlines to go bankrupt? The same ones that caused GM to go bankrupt?

Actually, those companies went bankrupt because the guys making the 8 figure salaries made bad decisions. Not because the unions demanded good wages and benefits.

Sorry you are confused on this point.

Joe because the unions told people to strike when the company was in trouble, that was the change that came to America that made people expendable. Stupid fucks like you, just want to continue the status quo of FAILURE...

so what's your alternative, we all work for slave wages and no benefits, so a few rich people can be richer? Because somehow you have delusions of having your Barbie Mansion?

No. Private companies are the opposite of Socialism.

Listen, Joe. You can't just go around making up your own words. Or, well, I guess you can, but then you're not actually communicating with anyone. You might as well be typing gibberish.

You are avoiding the point. If I pay into an insurance plan or work to pay for insurance, and I don't get sick that year, I'm paying for the guy who did get sick that year.

That's socialism, buddy. Or at the least collectivism.

We can't afford to give paid medical care to every citizen in America. It could bankrupt our country. And we definitely can't afford to do it if we keep allowing third worlders to come into this country and sap our resources.

Two issues here.

Of course we can give paid medical care to everyone in the country. We already spend more per capita than any country in the world, and those countries provide health care to all citizens. The money is there, just not being spent properly. Less for CEO salaries and more for primary care. Problem solved.

As for the "Third Worlders", they probably produce more than they 'sap". Again, the problem is wealth distribution, not who is coming here.

As for the "Third Worlders", they probably produce more than they 'sap". Again, the problem is wealth distribution, not who is coming here.

So 30 million illegal people who show up at the emergency room and don't speak English get FREE stuff but then those hospitals have to charge US and our insurance the costs for that FREE stuff, but you say it is the CEO's that are at fault? Just cant get more stupid than a fucking or non fucking liberal..

 

[sealybobo]

Hey liberals, the justice department is taking its appeal to have billions of money to give to the insurance companies and stop the monthly payments, are you now happy that these EVIL corps are no longer getting that corporate welfare?

Dems rip Trump's 'spiteful' decision to end key ObamaCare payments

"Based on guidance from the Department of Justice, the Department of Health and Human Services has concluded that there is no appropriation for cost-sharing reduction payments to insurance companies under Obamacare," White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said.

Did you know that insurance companies were giving large donations to the Democrats so then the Democrats would steal your money and give it to the insurance companies? Yes, you stupid liberal voters made it happen.

Obamacare: Voters, are you stupid? - CNN.com

Obamacare: Democrat Voters, are you stupid?

YES YOU ARE!!!!!!

Healthcare costs are going to go up. Happy? Insurance companies won't insure the sick or old. Will you never get sick or old?

/—-/ I remember the good old days when libtards hated corporate welfare.

Just lower the costs you rwnj. You're in charge. And remember what Trump said before he was POTUS?

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible.

11:01 AM - 8 Nov 2013

 

[sealybobo]

It's like the dnc openly bribed ins companies and their lackeys and got their sheep to cheer it on.


billions added to the debt = meh

I'll agree the Aca was a gift to insurance companies. So was what trump did. They no longer have to insure sick and old people. You'll die penniless

good lord

Have you ever heard of medicare or Medicaid?


all I really care about is the forced participation, get rid of that and idc about the rest.

The way trumps going most of you will die penniless. I don't care anymore. Get rid of medicare

/—-/ I remember the good old days when libtards hated corporate welfare.

Hey, I'd be happy to get the insurance companies out of the mix and go to single payer.

/----/ Thanks but no thanks:
Pacific Research Institute | Is The Horror Story Of Single-payer Health Care Coming Soon To A Theater Near You?
Consider the California Single Payer bill. An analysis by the state Senate’s Appropriations Committee found that the measure would cost $400 billion annually. That’s more than three times the state’s annual budget of $125 billion.

Single-payer systems aren’t just unaffordable. They deliver atrocious care.

In Canada’s single-payer system, patients wait weeks for medical attention. According to the Fraser Institute, a Canadian think tank, the median patient waits 20 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment from a specialist. A 2014 study of 11 industrialized countries ranked Canada dead last in timeliness of care.

Consequently, many Canadians have to leave the country to get the care they need. In 2014, more than 52,000 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment outside of Canada. In recent years, local health officials have authorized more than $100 million in spending to send Ontario patients waiting for critical transplants to U.S. hospitals.

In the United Kingdom’s government-run system, patients aren’t faring any better. In 2015, more than 130,000 patients did not receive timely cancer care. Between 2000 and 2015, the number of available hospital beds declined 20 percent.

Single-payer systems have consistently received poor reviews from those trapped in them. Once American audiences realize that, they’ll give progressive lawmakers’ pitches for single-payer a big thumbs-down.

How much is healthcare costing California now? Probably $400 billion annually or more.

And rich people in Canada of course come to the USA to get quicker/better treatment. But what do poor Canadians do? What do poor Americans do? Where do they go?

Canadians and Brits love their socialized medicine. Sorry to be the barer of bad news.

 

[JoeB131]

Poor liberal victims who aren't educated enough end up doing this all the time. I did straight out of high school, but got skills and knowledge, left the victimhood of liberalism and now work for myself. Joe, stupid fucks like you will never leave the liberal victimhood.

Yes, I know, you just bought your Barbie Dreamhouse.

So that's your answer, being a big man on the internets?

The point is, we graduate thousands of new kids out of the colleges who can't get jobs, and it's only going to get worse.

Why do you think all these college kids supported Commie Bernie?

What do you think they are going to do when Trump doesn't bring back Daddy's Factory job?

 

[JoeB131]

So 30 million illegal people who show up at the emergency room and don't speak English get FREE stuff but then those hospitals have to charge US and our insurance the costs for that FREE stuff, but you say it is the CEO's that are at fault? Just cant get more stupid than a fucking or non fucking liberal..

The CEO's could push for single payer, and that would solve the problem. They consider their 8 figure salaries more important.

You could set up free clinics in poor neighborhoods for a fraction of what Emergency Room treatments cost.

Again- the Europeans have figured this out.

(This is where you sputter you don't care about what they do in Europe)

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Poor liberal victims who aren't educated enough end up doing this all the time. I did straight out of high school, but got skills and knowledge, left the victimhood of liberalism and now work for myself. Joe, stupid fucks like you will never leave the liberal victimhood.

Yes, I know, you just bought your Barbie Dreamhouse.

So that's your answer, being a big man on the internets?

The point is, we graduate thousands of new kids out of the colleges who can't get jobs, and it's only going to get worse.

Why do you think all these college kids supported Commie Bernie?

What do you think they are going to do when Trump doesn't bring back Daddy's Factory job?

we graduate thousands of new kids out of the colleges who can't get jobs,

So President Trump didn't inherit a roaring economic recovery from Obama?
If these "kids" did graduate, why cant they with college education do more than me , a high school graduate who developed a skill set that took me to my own business? Are you telling US that college is a waste of time?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

So 30 million illegal people who show up at the emergency room and don't speak English get FREE stuff but then those hospitals have to charge US and our insurance the costs for that FREE stuff, but you say it is the CEO's that are at fault? Just cant get more stupid than a fucking or non fucking liberal..

The CEO's could push for single payer, and that would solve the problem. They consider their 8 figure salaries more important.

You could set up free clinics in poor neighborhoods for a fraction of what Emergency Room treatments cost.

Again- the Europeans have figured this out.

(This is where you sputter you don't care about what they do in Europe)

You could set up free clinics in poor neighborhoods for a fraction of what Emergency Room treatments cost.

And there are those clinics Joe, but it isn't that those poor people can get FREE healthcare, it is because the white middle class get better care, so must be punished like the poor. That is what liberalism is all about, everyone equally poor and equally miserable, that is called FAIRNESS...

 

[dblack]

"The thing is, whether you are getting your health care from a government agency or a private company, it's still all "Socialist"."

No. Private companies are the opposite of Socialism.

You are avoiding the point. If I pay into an insurance plan or work to pay for insurance, and I don't get sick that year, I'm paying for the guy who did get sick that year.

That's socialism, buddy. Or at the least collectivism.

I'm not avoiding your point, I'm saying it's dead wrong. Socialism is government mandated collectivism. Voluntary collectivism is a fine thing. Society depends on it. If someone wants to start a commune (or a health care collective, or whatever, or a charity) that's great! It's when they try to force people to join them that I have a problem with it.

 

[debbiedowner]

Trump signals support for ObamaCare deal

 

[dblack]

Trump signals support for ObamaCare deal

I gave up trying to predict what Trump will do. But Congress will never let go of health care.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Trump signals support for ObamaCare deal

I gave up trying to predict what Trump will do. But Congress will never let go of health care.

/—-/ Pres Trump will slice and dice it. Death by a thousand cuts.

 

[miketx]

lets go from a horrible idea to a worse one.


frigging brilliant

Except every other country has Single Payer.

They live longer, have lower infant mortality rates and spend a lot less than we do.

But it's a terribly idea because you are horrified a poor person can get the same quality of care you get, right?

Move there. Don't the door hit you.

 

[dblack]

Trump signals support for ObamaCare deal

I gave up trying to predict what Trump will do. But Congress will never let go of health care.

/—-/ Pres Trump will slice and dice it. Death by a thousand cuts.

I hope so. But all I've seen him do so far is make an ass of himself and embarrass the nation.

 

[JoeB131]

So President Trump didn't inherit a roaring economic recovery from Obama?
If these "kids" did graduate, why cant they with college education do more than me , a high school graduate who developed a skill set that took me to my own business? Are you telling US that college is a waste of time?

well, I guess they could just make shit up like you do.

That will work.

But the job market out there still kind of sucks, really.

 

[JoeB131]

And there are those clinics Joe, but it isn't that those poor people can get FREE healthcare, it is because the white middle class get better care, so must be punished like the poor. That is what liberalism is all about, everyone equally poor and equally miserable, that is called FAIRNESS...

I'm not sure why ANYONE should get better care because of their wealth. That's just wrong.

But, oh, yeah, your boy Trump blinked today. Big Insurance will keep getting their corporate welfare for two more years.

Told you so!

 

[JoeB131]

I'm not avoiding your point, I'm saying it's dead wrong. Socialism is government mandated collectivism. Voluntary collectivism is a fine thing.

I didn't volunteer for big insurance collectivism. I just kind of got stuck with it because that's the awful system we evolved in this country that everyone admits is broken.

/—-/ Pres Trump will slice and dice it. Death by a thousand cuts.

Yeah, um, today, a bipartisan group just agreed to do what they refused to do under Obama, pay big insurance to keep subsidizing the poor.

So once again, you guys surrendered on the point.

 

[dblack]

I'm not avoiding your point, I'm saying it's dead wrong. Socialism is government mandated collectivism. Voluntary collectivism is a fine thing.

I didn't volunteer for big insurance collectivism. I just kind of got stuck with it because that's the awful system we evolved in this country that everyone admits is broken.

Before ACA, your participation in any given health insurance plan was strictly voluntary. Just say no.